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Post by bentley316 on Aug 16, 2021 21:33:14 GMT 1
Recruitment hasn't been good enough for sure.
But at some point you have to adjust your tactics for what you have. The squad isnt built for a 433 or playing out from the back. It probably isnt what Carlos wanted but its the reality.
To my stupid eyes, the squad would be pretty decently set up for a 4231 with cover in every position. Maybe not good enough cover but at least round pegs in round holes.
It just seems like the recruitment team and carlos' team haven't communicated at all.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 16, 2021 22:09:23 GMT 1
Was that the window when we went downhill faster than Franz Klammer afterwards 🤔 It was the window when we signed the players that helped us stay up. Only one I can of think of wasn't a success was King We were better September to December than we were from January to whenever the hell the season finished |
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Post by durhamterrier on Aug 16, 2021 22:36:49 GMT 1
Recruitment hasn't been good enough for sure. But at some point you have to adjust your tactics for what you have. The squad isnt built for a 433 or playing out from the back. It probably isnt what Carlos wanted but its the reality. To my stupid eyes, the squad would be pretty decently set up for a 4231 with cover in every position. Maybe not good enough cover but at least round pegs in round holes. It just seems like the recruitment team and carlos' team haven't communicated at all. There’s not huge differences between those formations . I think we’d be equally weak in both set ups . To me the best formation for a fully fit town squad is 3-5-2 Nicholls Pearson Vallejo Colwill Pipa Hogg High/Sinani O’Brien Toffolo Koroma Rhodes Very harsh on Thomas but need impact players too. Also can’t give a proper judgement on sinani but has to be better than Holmes linking midfield and attack |
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Post by Yesss on Aug 16, 2021 23:05:12 GMT 1
The only decent window we had since we didn't have a proper DOF was when the Cowleys were here. We really need somebody who knows what they are doing and Bromby doesn't appear to be the one. Agree, Bromby certainly isn’t the one. What credentials does he have to be able to fill such a position? No experience at 1st team recruitment & not so long ago was coaching the low age groups at academy level. |
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Post by bentley316 on Aug 17, 2021 0:08:28 GMT 1
Recruitment hasn't been good enough for sure. But at some point you have to adjust your tactics for what you have. The squad isnt built for a 433 or playing out from the back. It probably isnt what Carlos wanted but its the reality. To my stupid eyes, the squad would be pretty decently set up for a 4231 with cover in every position. Maybe not good enough cover but at least round pegs in round holes. It just seems like the recruitment team and carlos' team haven't communicated at all. There’s not huge differences between those formations . I think we’d be equally weak in both set ups . To me the best formation for a fully fit town squad is 3-5-2 Nicholls Pearson Vallejo Colwill Pipa Hogg High/Sinani O’Brien Toffolo Koroma Rhodes Very harsh on Thomas but need impact players too. Also can’t give a proper judgement on sinani but has to be better than Holmes linking midfield and attack I see what you're saying about our strongest 11. Im just thinking we have depth in midfielders who are better starting a bit deeper in that 2 (Hogg, High, Vallejo, O Brien) compared to attacking CMs (Sinani and Brown?) and 4 wingers (Koroma, Thomas, Aarons, Rowe) all of which would potentially benefit from that formation vs a 352 But yeah, not exactly a play off hunting team either way. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Aug 17, 2021 8:37:40 GMT 1
The only decent window we had since we didn't have a proper DOF was when the Cowleys were here. We really need somebody who knows what they are doing and Bromby doesn't appear to be the one. Was that the window when we went downhill faster than Franz Klammer afterwards 🤔 I think the recruitment team are still on the piste |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Aug 19, 2021 12:21:28 GMT 1
If any other club had signed Holmes or Ward i could have almost understood how they fell into the trap. We had these 2 for years and finally worked out they weren’t good enough. They are EXACTLY the same players that left, It’s bizarre with no possible excuse. Both are so far proving to be poor signings (Ward was outrageously bad on Tues), but both have actually had some success at this level and both more recently than Rhodes, who gets mentioned far less often. There were plenty on here whining and bleating about letting Holmes go too early, when he was playing well for a Derby side that nearly got promoted. I was like 'meh' to both signings, but they were nothing like as obviously bad as you're making out. |
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Post by boooothy on Aug 19, 2021 12:39:46 GMT 1
If any other club had signed Holmes or Ward i could have almost understood how they fell into the trap. We had these 2 for years and finally worked out they weren’t good enough. They are EXACTLY the same players that left, It’s bizarre with no possible excuse. Both are so far proving to be poor signings (Ward was outrageously bad on Tues), but both have actually had some success at this level and both more recently than Rhodes, who gets mentioned far less often. There were plenty on here whining and bleating about letting Holmes go too early, when he was playing well for a Derby side that nearly got promoted. I was like 'meh' to both signings, but they were nothing like as obviously bad as you're making out. I take your point but if i could be arsed i’m sure i could find my comments when their names first appeared on here and that my opinion will have been the same then as today. Think what i actually said about Danny Ward is that i’d rather have the other Danny Ward playing up front for us. |
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 19, 2021 13:17:12 GMT 1
If any other club had signed Holmes or Ward i could have almost understood how they fell into the trap. We had these 2 for years and finally worked out they weren’t good enough. They are EXACTLY the same players that left, It’s bizarre with no possible excuse. I would argue that Ward become less effective than he was when he left first time. He says he's a striker. I'd accept that it's his favourite position, but it isn't his best. His best is on the wing. Unfortunately, he's not good enough there either. |
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Post by Ross83 on Aug 19, 2021 13:23:31 GMT 1
If any other club had signed Holmes or Ward i could have almost understood how they fell into the trap. We had these 2 for years and finally worked out they weren’t good enough. They are EXACTLY the same players that left, It’s bizarre with no possible excuse. I would argue that Ward become less effective than he was when he left first time. He says he's a striker. I'd accept that it's his favourite position, but it isn't his best. His best is on the wing. Unfortunately, he's not good enough there either. I'm not sure one Town fan would opt for Ward to start ahead of Rhodes or Campbell.. Corberan needs to realise this quickly or we're gonna have another Ben Hamer situation and that just isn't fair on any player but when you continue to select a player who 10,000+ people disagree with then you reap what you sew I'm afraid. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Aug 19, 2021 14:28:17 GMT 1
I would argue that Ward become less effective than he was when he left first time. He says he's a striker. I'd accept that it's his favourite position, but it isn't his best. His best is on the wing. Unfortunately, he's not good enough there either. I'm not sure one Town fan would opt for Ward to start ahead of Rhodes or Campbell.. Corberan needs to realise this quickly or we're gonna have another Ben Hamer situation and that just isn't fair on any player but when you continue to select a player who 10,000+ people disagree with then you reap what you sew I'm afraid. Apart from 1 shot v Fulham I’ve not seen anything from Ward that justifies his selection. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Aug 19, 2021 18:03:29 GMT 1
Both are so far proving to be poor signings (Ward was outrageously bad on Tues), but both have actually had some success at this level and both more recently than Rhodes, who gets mentioned far less often. There were plenty on here whining and bleating about letting Holmes go too early, when he was playing well for a Derby side that nearly got promoted. I was like 'meh' to both signings, but they were nothing like as obviously bad as you're making out. I take your point but if i could be arsed i’m sure i could find my comments when their names first appeared on here and that my opinion will have been the same then as today. Think what i actually said about Danny Ward is that i’d rather have the other Danny Ward playing up front for us. Yeah, not saying you were, plus my initial reaction to signing Ward was actually more '  ' than 'meh'. I just don't think it's quite as blatant as you suggest, at least for them being squad players, as they've both had some success at this level. The Rhodes signing is arguably more stupid, if it filled our quota and he was only ever going to be an option from the bench. |
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Post by boooothy on Aug 19, 2021 18:18:54 GMT 1
I take your point but if i could be arsed i’m sure i could find my comments when their names first appeared on here and that my opinion will have been the same then as today. Think what i actually said about Danny Ward is that i’d rather have the other Danny Ward playing up front for us. Yeah, not saying you were, plus my initial reaction to signing Ward was actually more ' ' than 'meh'. I just don't think it's quite as blatant as you suggest, at least for them being squad players, as they've both had some success at this level. The Rhodes signing is arguably more stupid, if it filled our quota and he was only ever going to be an option from the bench. I’d love to be wrong and Ward starts banging them in |
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Post by hoggy1975 on Aug 19, 2021 18:21:00 GMT 1
I'm not sure one Town fan would opt for Ward to start ahead of Rhodes or Campbell.. Corberan needs to realise this quickly or we're gonna have another Ben Hamer situation and that just isn't fair on any player but when you continue to select a player who 10,000+ people disagree with then you reap what you sew I'm afraid. Apart from 1 shot v Fulham I’ve not seen anything from Ward that justifies his selection. Nothing at all. Rhodes has great movement and could potentially grab a few goals if given the service. Campbell runs his socks off and actually was effective off the bench the other night. Ward does neither. |
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Post by dm on Aug 22, 2021 12:26:58 GMT 1
It's like we want Ward to be a target man. But he wins nothing in the air. He has so little presence that you forget he is playing. Is a target man not a dated idea nowadays? A lump who just wins flick on? It seems like everybody knows how to deal with that.
To me a striker needs to have at least one of the following:
Pace. He lacks the pace to cause defences problems.
Clever movement. I dont think he moves enough to cause opponents problems. Simultaneously, he doesnt find space to give himself a chance to do anything.
Creativity. He doesn't have the creativity to make opportunities for himself.
To me he is lacking any of the important traits for a goalscorer. I'm aware that this is stating the obvious.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 22, 2021 12:39:36 GMT 1
It's like we want Ward to be a target man. But he wins nothing in the air. He has so little presence that you forget he is playing. Is a target man not a dated idea nowadays? A lump who just wins flick one? It seems like everybody knows how to deal with that. To me a striker needs to have at least one of the following: Pace. He lacks the pace to cause defences problems. Clever movement. I dont think he moves enough to cause opponents problems. Simultaneously, he doesnt find space to give himself a chance to do anything. Creativity. He doesn't have the creativity to make opportunities for himself. To me he is lacking any of the important traits for a goalscorer. I'm aware that this is stating the obvious. I'm not sticking up for him but he's quicker than the other 2, he does make runs but we don't have a midfielder that spots them and none of the 3 create opportunities themselves. We need a first choice striker that isn't any of the 3 of them |
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Post by turbo2 on Aug 22, 2021 12:46:25 GMT 1
It's like we want Ward to be a target man. But he wins nothing in the air. He has so little presence that you forget he is playing. Is a target man not a dated idea nowadays? A lump who just wins flick one? It seems like everybody knows how to deal with that. To me a striker needs to have at least one of the following: Pace. He lacks the pace to cause defences problems. Clever movement. I dont think he moves enough to cause opponents problems. Simultaneously, he doesnt find space to give himself a chance to do anything. Creativity. He doesn't have the creativity to make opportunities for himself. To me he is lacking any of the important traits for a goalscorer. I'm aware that this is stating the obvious. I'm not sticking up for him but he's quicker than the other 2, he does make runs but we don't have a midfielder that spots them and none of the 3 create opportunities themselves. We need a first choice striker that isn't any of the 3 of them Carrying on with the current 3 is a big risk. Just not good enough for me. A lad I was with yesterday reckons ward is top of the fitness charts which amazes me. And for his size he hardly wins a header |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 22, 2021 13:07:21 GMT 1
You have to wonder what happens in the recruitment teams heads
The CC template is Leeds - they’rve had two main single striker frontmen under biesla; kemar roofe and Patrick bamford - mobile, aggressive players in their mid twenties
We then sign ward and Rhodes - 30 plus, bodies that look knackered after a career of injuries, not very aggressive and not mobile. It’s two big wages on players who aren’t a clear fit for the style we want to play. Could you see biesla three years ago fancying either of those two?
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Post by htfcfcfc on Aug 22, 2021 13:24:20 GMT 1
You have to wonder what happens in the recruitment teams heads The CC template is Leeds - they’rve had two main single striker frontmen under biesla; kemar roofe and Patrick bamford - mobile, aggressive players in their mid twenties We then sign ward and Rhodes - 30 plus, bodies that look knackered after a career of injuries, not very aggressive and not mobile. It’s two big wages on players who aren’t a clear fit for the style we want to play. Could you see biesla three years ago fancying either of those two? Can’t disagree but if we can’t pay transfer fees, we have a major issue here. Seems the options are Paid transfer, high wages. Out of our market Paid transfer, reasonable wages. Where we probably need/want to be hunting Free transfer, high wages. Where we are trying to hunt but the risk of over the hill/injury prone players seems highest Free transfer, low wages, these will be at best squad players aside from a lucky break. We may have found our new GK as an example of this |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 22, 2021 13:45:36 GMT 1
You have to wonder what happens in the recruitment teams heads The CC template is Leeds - they’rve had two main single striker frontmen under biesla; kemar roofe and Patrick bamford - mobile, aggressive players in their mid twenties We then sign ward and Rhodes - 30 plus, bodies that look knackered after a career of injuries, not very aggressive and not mobile. It’s two big wages on players who aren’t a clear fit for the style we want to play. Could you see biesla three years ago fancying either of those two? Can’t disagree but if we can’t pay transfer fees, we have a major issue here. Seems the options are Paid transfer, high wages. Out of our market Paid transfer, reasonable wages. Where we probably need/want to be hunting Free transfer, high wages. Where we are trying to hunt but the risk of over the hill/injury prone players seems highest Free transfer, low wages, these will be at best squad players aside from a lucky break. We may have found our new GK as an example of this I guess the frustration for me is seeing someone like afobe at millwall - surely we can match millwall’s wage structure. He was mobile and hard working and at 28 would have been a far better fit for a year on loan We also went for the lad from Walsall who ended at Luton - he’d seem a more logical fit in terms of up and coming with a point to prove I guess if we had afobe and the Walsall lad you could see some logic/ path I’d guess ward and Rhodes will earn over £1m in wages this year combined (which is huge for town) and they’re players not suited for the tactics, they have no future resale value and at 31 and 30 are unlikely to improve their ability or fitness in the next two and three years of their deals (the expression here for the pension comes to mind). I don’t know what the solution is but you have to questions recruitment team that thinks the answer to biesla style murderball training and and high energy football is ward and Rhodes! |
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Post by wigster on Aug 22, 2021 14:00:04 GMT 1
It's like we want Ward to be a target man. But he wins nothing in the air. He has so little presence that you forget he is playing. Is a target man not a dated idea nowadays? A lump who just wins flick on? It seems like everybody knows how to deal with that. To me a striker needs to have at least one of the following: Pace. He lacks the pace to cause defences problems. Clever movement. I dont think he moves enough to cause opponents problems. Simultaneously, he doesnt find space to give himself a chance to do anything. Creativity. He doesn't have the creativity to make opportunities for himself. To me he is lacking any of the important traits for a goalscorer. I'm aware that this is stating the obvious. Also an exact description of Fraser Campbell. I'm not a Ward supporter but he rarely gets the set-up on the field that Campbell does. Yesterday was a case in point - Ward was more or less totally isolated in his stint. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Aug 22, 2021 19:52:34 GMT 1
You have to wonder what happens in the recruitment teams heads The CC template is Leeds - they’rve had two main single striker frontmen under biesla; kemar roofe and Patrick bamford - mobile, aggressive players in their mid twenties We then sign ward and Rhodes - 30 plus, bodies that look knackered after a career of injuries, not very aggressive and not mobile. It’s two big wages on players who aren’t a clear fit for the style we want to play. Could you see biesla three years ago fancying either of those two? arguably Ward. He's been crap in this spell beyond anyone's expectations, nowhere near good enough and clearly nowhere near fit enough either. But at the time I thought it was quite a smart signing. When at full whack he is mobile and aggressive, not dissimilar as a player to what Bamford was like before Bielsa arrived. But now he's a shadow even of the player that didn't quite cut the mustard in 2014 |
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