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Post by kwami-hodouto on Aug 15, 2021 21:59:57 GMT 1
At this point I think it is safe to say the recruitment team needs clearing out.
If the club wants to go with the philosophy of constantly finding hidden gems and selling them on to fund the squad, a good amount of money needs to be put into the recruitment and scouting department. We need to be finding the best up and coming minds, not hiring who is cheapest and easiest. (Bromby)
Our transfer dealings have for the most part been crap to absolutely criminal since Stuart Webber left.
Some of woeful signings we have signed since being relegated... Have any of these either improved our team or have any sell on value.
Ward
Rhodes
Keogh
Elphick
Sanogo
Niasse
Reece Brown
Bockhorn
Lees
Holmes
Yes we have had a few good hits with Koroma and Thomas, but two of the only good signings we have made, didn't even come from our recruitment team...
Toffolo (Cowley's flagged him)
Pipa (Corberan flagged him)
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Post by boooothy on Aug 15, 2021 22:14:15 GMT 1
It’s total false economy.
The man picking the players should earn a shit load cause he’s the best.
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Post by workshyfop on Aug 15, 2021 22:42:55 GMT 1
How the goalkeeping coach/recruitment bloke (Clem) is in a job is incredible.
Poor Carlos. Wants to play out from the back and Bromby gives him Sarr and Pearson. Fail to sign a competent goalkeeper, extend Hogg’s contract, etc. Not really giving him much of a chance is it?
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Post by leroy212 on Aug 15, 2021 23:16:31 GMT 1
How the goalkeeping coach/recruitment bloke (Clem) is in a job is incredible. Poor Carlos. Wants to play out from the back and Bromby gives him Sarr and Pearson. Fail to sign a competent goalkeeper, extend Hogg’s contract, etc. Not really giving him much of a chance is it? Nicolls seems a solid keeper, and not sure many people were complaining when Hogg signed a new contact |
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Post by workshyfop on Aug 16, 2021 6:45:13 GMT 1
How the goalkeeping coach/recruitment bloke (Clem) is in a job is incredible. Poor Carlos. Wants to play out from the back and Bromby gives him Sarr and Pearson. Fail to sign a competent goalkeeper, extend Hogg’s contract, etc. Not really giving him much of a chance is it? Nicolls seems a solid keeper, and not sure many people were complaining when Hogg signed a new contact Fingers crossed on Nicholls. We all like Hogg, but he needs a ball playing midfielder alongside him to get things moving. Hopefully Sinani can pass and create things. Playing out from the back though, apart from Colwill, looks risky with the players Carlos has been given to work with. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Aug 16, 2021 8:01:08 GMT 1
At this point I think it is safe to say the recruitment team needs clearing out. If the club wants to go with the philosophy of constantly finding hidden gems and selling them on to fund the squad, a good amount of money needs to be put into the recruitment and scouting department. We need to be finding the best up and coming minds, not hiring who is cheapest and easiest. (Bromby) Our transfer dealings have for the most part been crap to absolutely criminal since Stuart Webber left. Some of woeful signings we have signed since being relegated... Have any of these either improved our team or have any sell on value. Ward Rhodes Keogh Elphick Sanogo Niasse Reece Brown Bockhorn Lees Holmes Yes we have had a few good hits with Koroma and Thomas, but two of the only good signings we have made, didn't even come from our recruitment team... Toffolo (Cowley's flagged him) Pipa (Corberan flagged him) If Corberan goes, it might be a chance for a radical rethink and a total clearcut of the recruitment team, but I think you may be a little harsh on them. They have to operate knowing that there are stringent financial constraints on our recruitment process (i.e. we're skint). Ward, Rhodes and Lees haven't played enough games to make a judgement yet. Were this recruitment team responsible for Elphick and Bockhorn? Sanago and Niasse were short term and extremely short term contracts to get us out of a pickle. Reece Brown I agree may not make it at Championship level. Holmes... what is there to say? The bette noir of the John Smith's Stadium. Best that he moves on as he will never now be given a chance as far as the fans are concerned. That leaves the real good signings of Toffolo, Pipa, Koroma, and Sobra Thomas who will hopefully be the backbone of the team this season. Then you have young kids and B team players, some who show great promise, Diarra, Bright, Jackson etc. It's not that black and white. |
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Post by kwami-hodouto on Aug 16, 2021 8:01:26 GMT 1
How the goalkeeping coach/recruitment bloke (Clem) is in a job is incredible. Poor Carlos. Wants to play out from the back and Bromby gives him Sarr and Pearson. Fail to sign a competent goalkeeper, extend Hogg’s contract, etc. Not really giving him much of a chance is it? Nicolls seems a solid keeper, and not sure many people were complaining when Hogg signed a new contact Hogg is long past his best now. I can't imagine any other team in this league having him in their starting 11. Yes our midfield is worse without him, but that does really say a lot when you look at the rest of them. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2021 9:29:05 GMT 1
At this point I think it is safe to say the recruitment team needs clearing out. If the club wants to go with the philosophy of constantly finding hidden gems and selling them on to fund the squad, a good amount of money needs to be put into the recruitment and scouting department. We need to be finding the best up and coming minds, not hiring who is cheapest and easiest. (Bromby) Our transfer dealings have for the most part been crap to absolutely criminal since Stuart Webber left. Some of woeful signings we have signed since being relegated... Have any of these either improved our team or have any sell on value. Ward Rhodes Keogh Elphick Sanogo Niasse Reece Brown Bockhorn Lees Holmes Yes we have had a few good hits with Koroma and Thomas, but two of the only good signings we have made, didn't even come from our recruitment team... Toffolo (Cowley's flagged him) Pipa (Corberan flagged him) Agree with it all bar Lees. Poor lad hasn't played and he is a steady signing and proven at this level, even though Wednesday were shit. |
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Post by Kenny irons on Aug 16, 2021 9:31:25 GMT 1
How the goalkeeping coach/recruitment bloke (Clem) is in a job is incredible. Poor Carlos. Wants to play out from the back and Bromby gives him Sarr and Pearson. Fail to sign a competent goalkeeper, extend Hogg’s contract, etc. Not really giving him much of a chance is it? I've said it before I'll say it again, clem got this job through the back door after pushing nick colgan out. He's a fraud |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2021 9:37:10 GMT 1
How the goalkeeping coach/recruitment bloke (Clem) is in a job is incredible. Poor Carlos. Wants to play out from the back and Bromby gives him Sarr and Pearson. Fail to sign a competent goalkeeper, extend Hogg’s contract, etc. Not really giving him much of a chance is it? I've said it before I'll say it again, clem got this job through the back door after pushing nick colgan out. He's a fraud Agreed, remember seeing him at the services on the way home from Wembley he was telling everyone how great Schofield was and England under 17s blah blah... turned out well, the whole lot need sacking! |
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Post by 4 pts on Aug 16, 2021 9:47:37 GMT 1
At this point I think it is safe to say the recruitment team needs clearing out. If the club wants to go with the philosophy of constantly finding hidden gems and selling them on to fund the squad, a good amount of money needs to be put into the recruitment and scouting department. We need to be finding the best up and coming minds, not hiring who is cheapest and easiest. (Bromby) Our transfer dealings have for the most part been crap to absolutely criminal since Stuart Webber left. Some of woeful signings we have signed since being relegated... Have any of these either improved our team or have any sell on value. Ward Rhodes Keogh Elphick Sanogo Niasse Reece Brown Bockhorn Lees Holmes Yes we have had a few good hits with Koroma and Thomas, but two of the only good signings we have made, didn't even come from our recruitment team... Toffolo (Cowley's flagged him) Pipa (Corberan flagged him) If Corberan goes, it might be a chance for a radical rethink and a total clearcut of the recruitment team, but I think you may be a little harsh on them. They have to operate knowing that there are stringent financial constraints on our recruitment process (i.e. we're skint).Ward, Rhodes and Lees haven't played enough games to make a judgement yet. Were this recruitment team responsible for Elphick and Bockhorn? Sanago and Niasse were short term and extremely short term contracts to get us out of a pickle. Reece Brown I agree may not make it at Championship level. Holmes... what is there to say? The bette noir of the John Smith's Stadium. Best that he moves on as he will never now be given a chance as far as the fans are concerned. That leaves the real good signings of Toffolo, Pipa, Koroma, and Sobra Thomas who will hopefully be the backbone of the team this season. Then you have young kids and B team players, some who show great promise, Diarra, Bright, Jackson etc. It's not that black and white. Or you could look at it another way Kenny. The signing of Ward, Holmes, Rhodes and Lees along with and handing out lengthy contracts seems to me that Bromby et al do not understand the meaning of stringent financial constraints. I think we can safely say that all 4 will be in and around the top earners at the club. |
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Post by shawsie on Aug 16, 2021 9:51:26 GMT 1
At this point I think it is safe to say the recruitment team needs clearing out. If the club wants to go with the philosophy of constantly finding hidden gems and selling them on to fund the squad, a good amount of money needs to be put into the recruitment and scouting department. We need to be finding the best up and coming minds, not hiring who is cheapest and easiest. (Bromby) Our transfer dealings have for the most part been crap to absolutely criminal since Stuart Webber left. Some of woeful signings we have signed since being relegated... Have any of these either improved our team or have any sell on value. Ward Rhodes Keogh Elphick Sanogo Niasse Reece Brown Bockhorn Lees Holmes Yes we have had a few good hits with Koroma and Thomas, but two of the only good signings we have made, didn't even come from our recruitment team... Toffolo (Cowley's flagged him) Pipa (Corberan flagged him) If Corberan goes, it might be a chance for a radical rethink and a total clearcut of the recruitment team, but I think you may be a little harsh on them. They have to operate knowing that there are stringent financial constraints on our recruitment process (i.e. we're skint). Ward, Rhodes and Lees haven't played enough games to make a judgement yet. Were this recruitment team responsible for Elphick and Bockhorn? Sanago and Niasse were short term and extremely short term contracts to get us out of a pickle. Reece Brown I agree may not make it at Championship level. Holmes... what is there to say? The bette noir of the John Smith's Stadium. Best that he moves on as he will never now be given a chance as far as the fans are concerned. That leaves the real good signings of Toffolo, Pipa, Koroma, and Sobra Thomas who will hopefully be the backbone of the team this season. Then you have young kids and B team players, some who show great promise, Diarra, Bright, Jackson etc. It's not that black and white. We supposedly had the rethink when we ousted the PE teachers. I don’t think anybody wants CC and his staff to fail…….but from my limited viewings they are the emperors new clothes. High press, play from the back, extreme fitness, murderball, etc etc are just myths which surrounded CCs mentor senor bielsa and by association him as well. Good managers/coaches get players fit, motivated and working in a system which suits them - sometimes it takes time as it did with warnock here as he needed to reshape the squad but there’s a plan and you can see where it’s going. We are more than 12m into this fellas tenor and I just don’t see it. Hope I’m proved wrong, but it all just looks a mess………. |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Aug 16, 2021 10:00:35 GMT 1
If we have gone out and brought in 10 players similar to Thomas then fine, we would have seen the potential and that we were trying to develop players who already have something about them. Picking them up early and hopefully developing them and the team simultaneously.
The odd bright star from the league's below, similar to what we did with tofollo to supplement the team with a few who are battle hardened.
Most people would be happy with that approach and the fact that it supports the academy/development shpiel that has been put out.
But to go and bring in players who are not only not that great, older but don't even fit with the style we supposedly need creates this complete clash which makes everything look disjointed and chaotic. The fact that those same players are given long contracts and are probably our highest earners is just mind blowing. Given their age we wouldn't be likely to make money on them and we may struggle to move them on.
Just stinks of piss poor planning and leadership.
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Post by oldrain on Aug 16, 2021 10:09:02 GMT 1
What happened to signings from Brazil and Spain were they a ploy to keep people happy
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Post by kennyk2 on Aug 16, 2021 10:22:20 GMT 1
If Corberan goes, it might be a chance for a radical rethink and a total clearcut of the recruitment team, but I think you may be a little harsh on them. They have to operate knowing that there are stringent financial constraints on our recruitment process (i.e. we're skint).Ward, Rhodes and Lees haven't played enough games to make a judgement yet. Were this recruitment team responsible for Elphick and Bockhorn? Sanago and Niasse were short term and extremely short term contracts to get us out of a pickle. Reece Brown I agree may not make it at Championship level. Holmes... what is there to say? The bette noir of the John Smith's Stadium. Best that he moves on as he will never now be given a chance as far as the fans are concerned. That leaves the real good signings of Toffolo, Pipa, Koroma, and Sobra Thomas who will hopefully be the backbone of the team this season. Then you have young kids and B team players, some who show great promise, Diarra, Bright, Jackson etc. It's not that black and white. Or you could look at it another way Kenny. The signing of Ward, Holmes, Rhodes and Lees along with and handing out lengthy contracts seems to me that Bromby et al do not understand the meaning of stringent financial constraints. I think we can safely say that all 4 will be in and around the top earners at the club. Do we have evidence for this? |
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Post by kennyk2 on Aug 16, 2021 10:23:52 GMT 1
If Corberan goes, it might be a chance for a radical rethink and a total clearcut of the recruitment team, but I think you may be a little harsh on them. They have to operate knowing that there are stringent financial constraints on our recruitment process (i.e. we're skint). Ward, Rhodes and Lees haven't played enough games to make a judgement yet. Were this recruitment team responsible for Elphick and Bockhorn? Sanago and Niasse were short term and extremely short term contracts to get us out of a pickle. Reece Brown I agree may not make it at Championship level. Holmes... what is there to say? The bette noir of the John Smith's Stadium. Best that he moves on as he will never now be given a chance as far as the fans are concerned. That leaves the real good signings of Toffolo, Pipa, Koroma, and Sobra Thomas who will hopefully be the backbone of the team this season. Then you have young kids and B team players, some who show great promise, Diarra, Bright, Jackson etc. It's not that black and white. We supposedly had the rethink when we ousted the PE teachers. I don’t think anybody wants CC and his staff to fail…….but from my limited viewings they are the emperors new clothes. High press, play from the back, extreme fitness, murderball, etc etc are just myths which surrounded CCs mentor senor bielsa and by association him as well. Good managers/coaches get players fit, motivated and working in a system which suits them - sometimes it takes time as it did with warnock here as he needed to reshape the squad but there’s a plan and you can see where it’s going. We are more than 12m into this fellas tenor and I just don’t see it. Hope I’m proved wrong, but it all just looks a mess………. Between 1 - 6 matches. Lose badly on Tuesday and I reckon he's toast. |
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Post by crux on Aug 16, 2021 10:28:42 GMT 1
We supposedly had the rethink when we ousted the PE teachers. I don’t think anybody wants CC and his staff to fail…….but from my limited viewings they are the emperors new clothes. High press, play from the back, extreme fitness, murderball, etc etc are just myths which surrounded CCs mentor senor bielsa and by association him as well. Good managers/coaches get players fit, motivated and working in a system which suits them - sometimes it takes time as it did with warnock here as he needed to reshape the squad but there’s a plan and you can see where it’s going. We are more than 12m into this fellas tenor and I just don’t see it. Hope I’m proved wrong, but it all just looks a mess………. Between 1 - 6 matches. Lose badly on Tuesday and I reckon he's toast. So do I. The crowd, assuming there's enough of us there to be classed as a crowd, won't give them any leeway on Tuesday. |
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Post by Uddersfield on Aug 16, 2021 10:35:03 GMT 1
Between 1 - 6 matches. Lose badly on Tuesday and I reckon he's toast. So do I. The crowd, assuming there's enough of us there to be classed as a crowd, won't give them any leeway on Tuesday. Lose Tuesday and he’ll be gone. I’m sure of it. |
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Post by townrwe on Aug 16, 2021 10:40:58 GMT 1
More to it than winning and losing, if the dressing room is behind him, the owner is going to give him a chance with proper recruitment and a proper recruitment team.
He had coronavirus for first match and probably absent for most of the prep for the next match. Tomorrow is a big game that we can't afford to lose, a win and everything is back rosey for a few weeks, a loss and the pressure is piled on.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Aug 16, 2021 10:47:11 GMT 1
At this point I think it is safe to say the recruitment team needs clearing out. If the club wants to go with the philosophy of constantly finding hidden gems and selling them on to fund the squad, a good amount of money needs to be put into the recruitment and scouting department. We need to be finding the best up and coming minds, not hiring who is cheapest and easiest. (Bromby) Our transfer dealings have for the most part been crap to absolutely criminal since Stuart Webber left. Some of woeful signings we have signed since being relegated... Have any of these either improved our team or have any sell on value. Ward Rhodes Keogh Elphick Sanogo Niasse Reece Brown Bockhorn Lees Holmes Yes we have had a few good hits with Koroma and Thomas, but two of the only good signings we have made, didn't even come from our recruitment team... Toffolo (Cowley's flagged him) Pipa (Corberan flagged him) Reece Brown looks OK to me. |
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Post by 4 pts on Aug 16, 2021 11:12:28 GMT 1
Or you could look at it another way Kenny. The signing of Ward, Holmes, Rhodes and Lees along with and handing out lengthy contracts seems to me that Bromby et al do not understand the meaning of stringent financial constraints. I think we can safely say that all 4 will be in and around the top earners at the club. Do we have evidence for this? If we take Hodgkinsons player wage bill figures as gospel and 3 of the 4 being free agents, I would strongly suggest they won't be on the same pay level as Scott High |
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Post by willo on Aug 16, 2021 11:23:15 GMT 1
Nicolls seems a solid keeper, and not sure many people were complaining when Hogg signed a new contact Fingers crossed on Nicholls. We all like Hogg, but he needs a ball playing midfielder alongside him to get things moving. Hopefully Sinani can pass and create things. Playing out from the back though, apart from Colwill, looks risky with the players Carlos has been given to work with. The one positive in the GK area is that Nicholls looks decent and will (hopefully!) be this seasons No. 1 resigning Schofield to the bench for most of the season - barring injury. 🤞 |
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Post by boooothy on Aug 16, 2021 11:23:55 GMT 1
If any other club had signed Holmes or Ward i could have almost understood how they fell into the trap. We had these 2 for years and finally worked out they weren’t good enough.
They are EXACTLY the same players that left, It’s bizarre with no possible excuse.
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Post by Skint Terriers on Aug 16, 2021 12:16:12 GMT 1
The fact Josh Marsh is still in the position he is in is criminal
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 16, 2021 15:19:12 GMT 1
Ward Agreed. Dreadful signing even without the benefit of hindsight & I only hope he's on a low salaryRhodes See Danny WardKeogh Short term stop-gap whilst we had an injury crisis at CB. His was the name Carlos apparently chose, although I don't know who the other options were.Elphick Dreadful signing, but a bit harsh to blame Bromby when he wasn't in the post yet!Sanogo Short term stop-gap. Although it was obvious that we needed a striker or 2 the previous summer so we shouldn't have needed one. Either way, gave us an outlet which we didn't previously have.Niasse Short term stop-gap. Although it was obvious that we needed a striker or 2 the previous summer. Not really the club's fault he got injured in a freak accident.Reece Brown Dreadful signing, but a bit harsh to blame Bromby when he wasn't in the post yet!Bockhorn Dreadful signing, although his success at Bochum since leaving us suggests he was worth a punt. Either way it's a bit harsh to blame Bromby when he wasn't in the post yet!Lees Meh.Holmes Meh.Yes we have had a few good hits with Koroma and Thomas, but two of the only good signings we have made, didn't even come from our recruitment team... Toffolo (Cowley's flagged him) And he was signed whilst Bromby was looking after the academy, so definitely no credit to LB for that one!.Pipa (Corberan flagged him) Worth remembering that this is only Bromby's 3rd transfer window. He's only been in post a year (I know it seems like longer!). Our problems started before Bromby got the gig, so I question whether the evidence points to the problem being with him. Further in his defence, I'd add that the improvements to the academy coincide with his spell as academy manager, Sorba Thomas looks like a superb bit of business, with Danny Grant potentially becoming another gem if reports are to be believed. Sinani may become a great player...etc. For me, the problem is not the business that gets done (imperfect as it is, not every signing will go well), as much as the business that doesn't get done. The infamous "5 strikers" when all we had was an ageing Fraizer Campbell. The striker issue still hasn't been resolved as Jordan Rhodes (who has done fuck all for years & doesn't fit our way of playing) replacing Kieran Phillips is the only addition to the squad we had a year ago (after we apparently acknowledged the problem by bringing in Niasse & Sanogo in January, after also negotiating for deals for Gregory, Adebayo & Jackson if not others as well). The lack of a creative midfielder is another glaring issue that everyone can see is missing. Problem is, with those glaring omissions, those project players risk having their potential crushed as they are either thrown in at the deep end & we watch them drown (see Ryan Schofield), or they are unable to show what they can do because if they're any good, opposition sides are comfortable doubling up on them because there's no threat anywhere else that they need to concentrate on, and/or no creative midfielder to give them the ball in a dangerous area so they can maximise their potential. I maintain that if Schofield was just getting the odd cup game or cameo, we'd see him as a far more confident, composed keeper and he'd have a brighter future. I also suggest that we risk ruining Sinani, Thomas, Koroma, Grant, Rowe, Jones, Diarra, Bright, Camara et al if we don't have competent professionals in the squad who can go back into the side if they ever need a break. Rhodes aside, the business we've done this window makes sense to me. But just as last season, the business we've not done risks crippling us. Rather than scapegoating Bromby not just for the mistakes he makes, but for the poor decisions made by his predecessor, the question needs to be asked why those glaring gaps are not being filled, and what can be done about it bearing in mind the budgetary constraints we're working under. |
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Post by Elioud on Aug 16, 2021 18:44:05 GMT 1
Seem to be obsessed with this head coach+director of football template.
David Wagner is often reffered to as a success of this model it is however bollocks as the majority of signings made during this period were identified by Wagner.
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Post by aca00js on Aug 16, 2021 19:13:54 GMT 1
The only decent window we had since we didn't have a proper DOF was when the Cowleys were here.
We really need somebody who knows what they are doing and Bromby doesn't appear to be the one.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 16, 2021 20:29:23 GMT 1
The only decent window we had since we didn't have a proper DOF was when the Cowleys were here. We really need somebody who knows what they are doing and Bromby doesn't appear to be the one. Was that the window when we went downhill faster than Franz Klammer afterwards 🤔 |
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Post by aca00js on Aug 16, 2021 20:31:27 GMT 1
The only decent window we had since we didn't have a proper DOF was when the Cowleys were here. We really need somebody who knows what they are doing and Bromby doesn't appear to be the one. Was that the window when we went downhill faster than Franz Klammer afterwards 🤔 It was the window when we signed the players that helped us stay up. Only one I can of think of wasn't a success was King |
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Post by huntingdontown on Aug 16, 2021 20:39:17 GMT 1
It’s all well and good to say we have bought rubbish the recruitment team need sacking. They had to bring 6 players in all on free transfers and small wages. They had to have good experience and good sickness records loved to know who you would have recruited. Been written off before we start is crazy, yes not all will work. If the money is not available what are they supposed to do?
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