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Post by Leporid on Jul 27, 2022 21:48:05 GMT 1
I think the reaction to the pitch invasion problem is about real, or threatened, public disorder and the related annoyance, or weariness, that people have that a small number of Epsilons can cause injury, disruption, and less importantly, interfere with the enjoyment of others. In itself, this is nothing knew. The authorities and the government have responsibilities of course, and are also driven to look like they are doing something. As a libertarian, of course, I think the use of cattle prods and tasers by the police and senior stewards would bring a fairly swift end to most of the pitch invasion problems. A sponsorship scheme for the said equipment should help defray the costs. Been reading Brave New World mate? An embarrassing number of decades ago unfortunately. Some elements of the society described by Huxley are strikingly redolent of aspects of the consumption based bogus individualism of contemporary Western countries. |
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Post by softboy on Aug 24, 2022 17:34:00 GMT 1
Following the situation at a number of grounds at the end of last season, as Micky Gray said on Talkshite those at the end of our Luton play off game "were a throw back to the 70s, disgusting, should never be tolerated again" the PL & EFL brought in a new rule that said. "New rules are being brought in by the PL & EFL saying that pitch invaders will receive a automatic club ban, with a default response of further prosecution". I saw the celebrations at the end of the Crawley v Fulham game with a lot of people on the pitch (400) including kids and whilst I feel sorry that all these people will now have an idefinate ban they new the rules and have to take their punishment. Will hit Crawley attendances I am sure but it is as it is.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Aug 24, 2022 17:54:25 GMT 1
Moving latest post into here
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Post by bluebeard on Aug 24, 2022 20:50:55 GMT 1
Tell you what they need to do, stop players from taking the piss when they score a goal and goad the home or away fans by cupping their ear's it is to blatantly wind the fans up and that needs stamping out too.
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Post by King Curtis on Aug 24, 2022 21:28:00 GMT 1
Tell you what they need to do, stop players from taking the piss when they score a goal and goad the home or away fans by cupping their ear's it is to blatantly wind the fans up and that needs stamping out too. Please tell me you're being facetious? |
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Post by townarentbest on Aug 24, 2022 22:14:11 GMT 1
Tell you what they need to do, stop players from taking the piss when they score a goal and goad the home or away fans by cupping their ear's it is to blatantly wind the fans up and that needs stamping out too. Disagree, players taking the piss should be *encouraged* - its all part of the atmosphere. Football is entertainment and pantomime, it needs a few villains in amongst. If as a fan you get wound up by a footballer on a pitch making some kind of gesture in your general direction, you need help - when you consider that these players often have 10,000+ people shouting offensive, threatening stuff directly at them and very very rarely do they boil over in response! |
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Post by 28901 on Aug 24, 2022 22:17:09 GMT 1
Tell you what they need to do, stop players from taking the piss when they score a goal and goad the home or away fans by cupping their ear's it is to blatantly wind the fans up and that needs stamping out too. Diddums. Poor fans screaming abuse at player both online and on the pitch. And the poor lambs suffer cos big bad player cups ear after scoring. Jesus fucking christ. |
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Post by brianmcbrain on Aug 24, 2022 22:31:25 GMT 1
i suggest a squid game " red light , green light " doll at every ground
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Aug 24, 2022 22:46:10 GMT 1
Tell you what they need to do, stop players from taking the piss when they score a goal and goad the home or away fans by cupping their ear's it is to blatantly wind the fans up and that needs stamping out too. Disagree, players taking the piss should be *encouraged* - its all part of the atmosphere. Football is entertainment and pantomime, it needs a few villains in amongst. If as a fan you get wound up by a footballer on a pitch making some kind of gesture in your general direction, you need help - when you consider that these players often have 10,000+ people shouting offensive, threatening stuff directly at them and very very rarely do they boil over in response! |
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Post by sabailand on Aug 24, 2022 23:09:56 GMT 1
Disagree, players taking the piss should be *encouraged* - its all part of the atmosphere. Football is entertainment and pantomime, it needs a few villains in amongst. If as a fan you get wound up by a footballer on a pitch making some kind of gesture in your general direction, you need help - when you consider that these players often have 10,000+ people shouting offensive, threatening stuff directly at them and very very rarely do they boil over in response! I can see it now, town gallantly hanging onto a 1-0 lead in the cup v Leeds, its the 90th minute and Leeds score a lucky equalizer and the scorer cups his ear and gesticulates to the town fans, i can imagine the town fans smiling and saying stuff like...'Oh hes a right card isnt he'....'its all the fun of the game and makes for a good atmosphere'....'well considering hes got some stick i perfectly understand so good on him'.  |
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Post by townarentbest on Aug 25, 2022 1:15:39 GMT 1
I can see it now, town gallantly hanging onto a 1-0 lead in the cup v Leeds, its the 90th minute and Leeds score a lucky equalizer and the scorer cups his ear and gesticulates to the town fans, i can imagine the town fans smiling and saying stuff like...'Oh hes a right card isnt he'....'its all the fun of the game and makes for a good atmosphere'....'well considering hes got some stick i perfectly understand so good on him'. I don’t think football is for you. The vitriol, tribalism, spitall, anger and energy that such a situation results in is exactly what is great about football. Bring it on. And if such an occurrence results in an individual going on a pitch to attack a player, then kick the shit out of them on the way to locking them up. Deserved. But…it never happens. It’s pantomime. So bring it on. Would much rather have anger and spirit created by opposition players than the alternative of apathy and disinterest of “jolly good play Mr Kane, you are an awesome representation of the human form”. |
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Post by offsideclyde on Aug 25, 2022 7:57:18 GMT 1
Always found it strange when football fans abuse players for 90 minutes and then are angered when a player gives a bit back.
Just like the fans that spend 90 minutes goading the opposition in the South stand and then become offended if that goes a bit too far too.
Snowflakes.
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Post by nuggett22 on Aug 25, 2022 8:48:39 GMT 1
I remember back in 1970/71 sitting on the perimeter wall at Leeds Road in prime position as full time approached to run on the pitch , Pat the players on the back and even ask for an autograph as they headed towards the tunnel . Now players are met with flying head butts and a tirade of verbal abuse . How society has changed !
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Post by sabailand on Aug 25, 2022 10:03:36 GMT 1
I can see it now, town gallantly hanging onto a 1-0 lead in the cup v Leeds, its the 90th minute and Leeds score a lucky equalizer and the scorer cups his ear and gesticulates to the town fans, i can imagine the town fans smiling and saying stuff like...'Oh hes a right card isnt he'....'its all the fun of the game and makes for a good atmosphere'....'well considering hes got some stick i perfectly understand so good on him'. I don’t think football is for you. The vitriol, tribalism, spitall, anger and energy that such a situation results in is exactly what is great about football. Bring it on. And if such an occurrence results in an individual going on a pitch to attack a player, then kick the shit out of them on the way to locking them up. Deserved. But…it never happens. It’s pantomime. So bring it on. Would much rather have anger and spirit created by opposition players than the alternative of apathy and disinterest of “jolly good play Mr Kane, you are an awesome representation of the human form”.  You're right maybe football is'nt for me, you've obviously not taken my post in the knockabout spirit it was intended. |
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Post by townarentbest on Aug 25, 2022 12:05:40 GMT 1
I don’t think football is for you. The vitriol, tribalism, spitall, anger and energy that such a situation results in is exactly what is great about football. Bring it on. And if such an occurrence results in an individual going on a pitch to attack a player, then kick the shit out of them on the way to locking them up. Deserved. But…it never happens. It’s pantomime. So bring it on. Would much rather have anger and spirit created by opposition players than the alternative of apathy and disinterest of “jolly good play Mr Kane, you are an awesome representation of the human form”. You're right maybe football is'nt for me, you've obviously not taken my post in the knockabout spirit it was intended. Maybe so! So, not in direct reaction to you, the bulk of my post holds true about 'whats good about live football' generally. |
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Post by 28901 on Aug 25, 2022 18:27:31 GMT 1
I remember back in 1970/71 sitting on the perimeter wall at Leeds Road in prime position as full time approached to run on the pitch , Pat the players on the back and even ask for an autograph as they headed towards the tunnel . Now players are met with flying head butts and a tirade of verbal abuse . How society has changed ! Life in general was far more violent in 1971. |
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Post by bluebeard on Aug 25, 2022 18:41:49 GMT 1
Tell you what they need to do, stop players from taking the piss when they score a goal and goad the home or away fans by cupping their ear's it is to blatantly wind the fans up and that needs stamping out too. Diddums. Poor fans screaming abuse at player both online and on the pitch. And the poor lambs suffer cos big bad player cups ear after scoring. Jesus fucking christ. Didduns indeed, what happens if it causes a riot and you don't see it happening in any other sport. Tell me this, why has it only been happening in the last 10/15 years, i don't recall the players of old doing it so why is it accepted now by a few fans because it drives a lot of fans by me mad. Some of the posters on here are unbelievable, if a fan takes the piss from a player they run straight to the nearest steward like a player did last season on the touch line and that fan was threatened to be removed until all the fans around him stood up for up. |
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Post by King Curtis on Aug 25, 2022 19:27:49 GMT 1
Diddums. Poor fans screaming abuse at player both online and on the pitch. And the poor lambs suffer cos big bad player cups ear after scoring. Jesus fucking christ. Didduns indeed, what happens if it causes a riot and you don't see it happening in any other sport. Tell me this, why has it only been happening in the last 10/15 years, i don't recall the players of old doing it so why is it accepted now by a few fans because it drives a lot of fans by me mad. Some of the posters on here are unbelievable, if a fan takes the piss from a player they run straight to the nearest steward like a player did last season on the touch line and that fan was threatened to be removed until all the fans around him stood up for up. You never been to an Ashes Test match then? The banter back and forth between fans and players fielding on the boundary... Everyone just get's on with it and has a laugh about it. I'd suggest any football fan that get's so riled up by an opposition player taking the micky, that they consider rioting - shouldn't attend football matches. |
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Aug 25, 2022 21:45:31 GMT 1
In football it is certain players that do it that go and deliberately wind up the opposition fans cricket is totally different. When you are fielding on the boundary you are bound to get some abuse from some fans especially when they have had a few. Where i sit in the ground it doesn't half wind the fans up when the opposition scores and that running on the touch line just to wind the fans up. Someone mentioned earlier about fans winding fans up, that went on in the sixties when i was a kid and it is a territorial thing with some fans, some of the most placid people you get ever want to meet change in to seething Mr Angry.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Aug 25, 2022 23:15:41 GMT 1
People comparing cricket “banter” with football are being ridiculous.
Totally different.
Anyone who watches Test Cricket knows that the atmosphere is totally different.
It’s a different, slower game where good natured but mischievous interaction between players and spectators is an enjoyable part of the game.
In football, I’m amazed how some players are able to control themselves when faced with the sort of abuse they get .
Next time you watch MOTD look at the crowd when an opposition player is taking a corner at Elland Road and Stamford Bridge.
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Post by offsideclyde on Aug 26, 2022 7:54:28 GMT 1
If anyone sits in the South stand close to the segregation line will experience the difference.
Groups of spotty teenagers, coked up and offering the opposition on behind a line of Police and Stewards.
Then if they hear something that upsets them they complain to the Police.
Or if an opposition player scores(who they have abused for 90 minutes) celebrates by cupping the ear... They get very upset and want them done for incitement!
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Post by jasrick on Aug 26, 2022 8:40:14 GMT 1
Diddums. Poor fans screaming abuse at player both online and on the pitch. And the poor lambs suffer cos big bad player cups ear after scoring. Jesus fucking christ. Didduns indeed, what happens if it causes a riot and you don't see it happening in any other sport. Tell me this, why has it only been happening in the last 10/15 years, i don't recall the players of old doing it so why is it accepted now by a few fans because it drives a lot of fans by me mad. Some of the posters on here are unbelievable, if a fan takes the piss from a player they run straight to the nearest steward like a player did last season on the touch line and that fan was threatened to be removed until all the fans around him stood up for up. If cupping an ear causes a riot then that’s on the fans rioting, not the player. My general reaction to an ear cup is a chuckle - people triggered by it need to look at themselves. |
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Post by sabailand on Aug 26, 2022 19:20:21 GMT 1
Last season Luton manager Nathan Jones only had to give an interview and some on here started crying.  |
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Post by 28901 on Aug 26, 2022 20:12:04 GMT 1
Diddums. Poor fans screaming abuse at player both online and on the pitch. And the poor lambs suffer cos big bad player cups ear after scoring. Jesus fucking christ. Didduns indeed, what happens if it causes a riot and you don't see it happening in any other sport. Tell me this, why has it only been happening in the last 10/15 years, i don't recall the players of old doing it so why is it accepted now by a few fans because it drives a lot of fans by me mad. Some of the posters on here are unbelievable, if a fan takes the piss from a player they run straight to the nearest steward like a player did last season on the touch line and that fan was threatened to be removed until all the fans around him stood up for up. Aw diddums |
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Post by Orinoco on Aug 27, 2022 20:13:52 GMT 1
If a few dicks want to jump onto the pitch to celebrate a goal, it's up to them, if the fa wants to bring in measures to stop the invasions it up to them, players ear cupping and other gestures they do,again needs sorting out by the FA. The game is fast becoming a joke, who pays these clown players their salary?.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Aug 27, 2022 20:49:00 GMT 1
If a few dicks want to jump onto the pitch to celebrate a goal, it's up to them, if the fa wants to bring in measures to stop the invasions it up to them, players ear cupping and other gestures they do,again needs sorting out by the FA. The game is fast becoming a joke, who pays these clown players their salary?. Certainly not the fans. That boat sailed 30 years ago when players began to be paid a king's ransom for running around and kicking a bag of wind. If anyone thinks that gate money pays wages you need to think again. And it most certainly doesn't do it at Town where we pay a pittance for entry. |
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Post by sapphireblue on Aug 27, 2022 21:15:17 GMT 1
I remember back in 1970/71 sitting on the perimeter wall at Leeds Road in prime position as full time approached to run on the pitch , Pat the players on the back and even ask for an autograph as they headed towards the tunnel . Now players are met with flying head butts and a tirade of verbal abuse . How society has changed ! Life in general was far more violent in 1971. Mine wasn't. I was only 9. |
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Post by Orinoco on Aug 27, 2022 21:46:31 GMT 1
If a few dicks want to jump onto the pitch to celebrate a goal, it's up to them, if the fa wants to bring in measures to stop the invasions it up to them, players ear cupping and other gestures they do,again needs sorting out by the FA. The game is fast becoming a joke, who pays these clown players their salary?. Certainly not the fans. That boat sailed 30 years ago when players began to be paid a king's ransom for running around and kicking a bag of wind. If anyone thinks that gate money pays wages you need to think again. And it most certainly doesn't do it at Town where we pay a pittance for entry. most sponsors are fans of the club, would love for sky to do an ITV digital, but it will never happen. TV has ruined the game in many many ways, most on here will have seen how good the game was in the 60s. 70s and 80s. you are correct that a 299 for a season card does nothing for the club at the end of the day, but every little helps if 1k say sod it. |
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Post by 28901 on Aug 28, 2022 10:56:41 GMT 1
Life in general was far more violent in 1971. Mine wasn't. I was only 9. There was an accepted low level violence that wouldn't be tolerated now, at least officially. Some teachers were brutal, police could hand out beatings without comeback, bullying generally, fights were much more common in the street in pubs etc.domestic violence was swept under the carpet. |
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Post by sapphireblue on Aug 28, 2022 14:20:03 GMT 1
Mine wasn't. I was only 9. There was an accepted low level violence that wouldn't be tolerated now, at least officially. Some teachers were brutal, police could hand out beatings without comeback, bullying generally, fights were much more common in the street in pubs etc.domestic violence was swept under the carpet. Yes I agree, it was just a flippant reposte. |
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