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Post by scutcher on Jul 26, 2022 9:48:43 GMT 1
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 26, 2022 14:52:13 GMT 1
Just a reminder here. I'm guessing that the next step may be club fines which probably won't have an affect. Ratcheting it up further will end up with playing matches with fans barred.
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Post by sabailand on Jul 26, 2022 15:52:19 GMT 1
If it means it will stop thugs assaulting people on the pitch then great stuff, bring it on.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 26, 2022 16:53:25 GMT 1
If it means it will stop thugs assaulting people on the pitch then great stuff, bring it on. It will of course, stop those sort of events where the perpetrator has had a few too many and is taken along on the wave, but it'll not stop those folks being thugs... I still think this is a sledge hammer to crack a nut, and I'll be interested to see the point it's first challenged and banning orders are triggered. Thankfully these things are few & far between, probably worse things happen at music festivals... |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 26, 2022 16:59:14 GMT 1
The matchday ritual if going to the game will be akin to attending a game in East Germany during the height of The Stasi before long.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jul 26, 2022 17:29:10 GMT 1
There are polar opposites with this to be honest.
The Forest coward who cracked Billy Sharp and the over excited kid who hugs a player scoring a 90th minute winner.
If banning the kid means banning the thug then so be it.
There’s no valid reason at all to go on a pitch as a fan, not one.
If a blanket ban is the answer then we will see. It could work with one idiot running on the pitch but how you would police hundreds I’ve no idea.
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Post by Leporid on Jul 26, 2022 17:36:15 GMT 1
The matchday ritual if going to the game will be akin to attending a game in East Germany during the height of The Stasi before long. How will it? How long will it take? |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 26, 2022 17:40:01 GMT 1
The matchday ritual if going to the game will be akin to attending a game in East Germany during the height of The Stasi before long. How will it? How long will it take? Obviously I'm over exaggerating for effect but why do the authorities and the government feel the need to interfere in the minutiae of everyday life? |
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 26, 2022 17:43:52 GMT 1
How will it? How long will it take? Obviously I'm over exaggerating for effect but why do the authorities and the government feel the need to interfere in the minutiae of everyday life? You realise billy sharpe could have been killed by that bald twat. All because loads think it’s ok to go on the pitch. Some dick at goodison a couple of days later trying to have a go at the palace manager. Just stay in the stands. It’s not difficult |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jul 26, 2022 17:47:16 GMT 1
How will it? How long will it take? Obviously I'm over exaggerating for effect but why do the authorities and the government feel the need to interfere in the minutiae of everyday life? Because a high percentage of the public are idiots and need governing. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 26, 2022 18:14:09 GMT 1
Obviously I'm over exaggerating for effect but why do the authorities and the government feel the need to interfere in the minutiae of everyday life? You realise billy sharpe could have been killed by that bald twat. All because loads think it’s ok to go on the pitch. Some dick at goodison a couple of days later trying to have a go at the palace manager. Just stay in the stands. It’s not difficult Yeah obviously that needs dealing with, it's common assault, no one disputes that but how is it in the best interests of anyone to ban people for trivial offences? Seriously? This is another thing, the over dramatisation of stuff, killed really? Honestly? |
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Post by ldotm on Jul 26, 2022 18:15:57 GMT 1
I reckon they should employ a Sniper that sits on the roof, anyone that runs on is allowed to be shot at.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 26, 2022 18:46:54 GMT 1
Unfortunately we’ve had a few incidents in a short space of time that’s amplified this problem. The Billy Sharp thing was shocking, and the bloke is rightly serving a custodial sentence. But if that’s the rationale for this blanket ban, then in some respects they’re inferring that every person who runs on the pitch is capable of something like that. Which is clearly absurd.
If you take joy out of a pastime that’s escapism for most folk, then you might as well give up…
For those that run onto the pitch in a league game after a late winner etc., no problem, they need to learn a bit of restraint. All these incidents occurred in huge end of season affairs that meant far more than a last minute goal in the 15th match of the season.
Football needs to retain a degree of tribalism, otherwise it’ll end up being a tepid affair in the stands.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 26, 2022 19:06:04 GMT 1
Unfortunately we’ve had a few incidents in a short space of time that’s amplified this problem. The Billy Sharp thing was shocking, and the bloke is rightly serving a custodial sentence. But if that’s the rationale for this blanket ban, then in some respects they’re inferring that every person who runs on the pitch is capable of something like that. Which is clearly absurd. If you take joy out of a pastime that’s escapism for most folk, then you might as well give up… For those that run onto the pitch in a league game after a late winner etc., no problem, they need to learn a bit of restraint. All these incidents occurred in huge end of season affairs that meant far more than a last minute goal in the 15th match of the season. Football needs to retain a degree of tribalism, otherwise it’ll end up being a tepid affair in the stands. Just stay off the pitch, its not allowed because occasionally some will act like twats. The twat will not learn and will use any large scale incursion to be a twat. Its no hardship to stay off the pitch is it?  Nobody is being harmed or discriminated against... You can celebrate a big win without running onto a piece of grass. Football will still have its tribes and atmosphere.. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 26, 2022 19:11:37 GMT 1
Unfortunately we’ve had a few incidents in a short space of time that’s amplified this problem. The Billy Sharp thing was shocking, and the bloke is rightly serving a custodial sentence. But if that’s the rationale for this blanket ban, then in some respects they’re inferring that every person who runs on the pitch is capable of something like that. Which is clearly absurd. If you take joy out of a pastime that’s escapism for most folk, then you might as well give up… For those that run onto the pitch in a league game after a late winner etc., no problem, they need to learn a bit of restraint. All these incidents occurred in huge end of season affairs that meant far more than a last minute goal in the 15th match of the season. Football needs to retain a degree of tribalism, otherwise it’ll end up being a tepid affair in the stands. Well said. |
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 26, 2022 20:47:44 GMT 1
You realise billy sharpe could have been killed by that bald twat. All because loads think it’s ok to go on the pitch. Some dick at goodison a couple of days later trying to have a go at the palace manager. Just stay in the stands. It’s not difficult Yeah obviously that needs dealing with, it's common assault, no one disputes that but how is it in the best interests of anyone to ban people for trivial offences? Seriously? This is another thing, the over dramatisation of stuff, killed really? Honestly? Absolutely 100%. Ffs. Watch it. The twat head butted him while running. Players shouldn’t be getting assaulted full stop. Why do fans need to be on the pitch??? |
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 26, 2022 20:50:38 GMT 1
Unfortunately we’ve had a few incidents in a short space of time that’s amplified this problem. The Billy Sharp thing was shocking, and the bloke is rightly serving a custodial sentence. But if that’s the rationale for this blanket ban, then in some respects they’re inferring that every person who runs on the pitch is capable of something like that. Which is clearly absurd. If you take joy out of a pastime that’s escapism for most folk, then you might as well give up… For those that run onto the pitch in a league game after a late winner etc., no problem, they need to learn a bit of restraint. All these incidents occurred in huge end of season affairs that meant far more than a last minute goal in the 15th match of the season. Football needs to retain a degree of tribalism, otherwise it’ll end up being a tepid affair in the stands. Well said. Why do I get stopped from taking over 100mo of fluids when flying with my family??? Because morons spoil it for everyone. We’ve had plenty of our own experiences of this. Luton only weeks ago. Alan smith was punched when we played mk dons. The pitch is for players and officials. |
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Post by runner76 on Jul 26, 2022 20:58:15 GMT 1
I reckon they should employ a Sniper that sits on the roof, anyone that runs on is allowed to be shot at. Shot with a dart containing LSD |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 26, 2022 21:42:51 GMT 1
Yeah obviously that needs dealing with, it's common assault, no one disputes that but how is it in the best interests of anyone to ban people for trivial offences? Seriously? This is another thing, the over dramatisation of stuff, killed really? Honestly? Absolutely 100%. Ffs. Watch it. The twat head butted him while running. Players shouldn’t be getting assaulted full stop. Why do fans need to be on the pitch??? Dont think any player or official needs killing to prove that pitch incursions are stupid and pointless?? A minor assault is probably enough to outlaw something that is stupid and pointless? Just too many fuckwits go to football, unfortunately... |
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Post by kelliemarie on Jul 26, 2022 23:49:46 GMT 1
Fencing will be brought back obviously, maybe not as drastic a style as the 1980s fencing is needed, its the only way it will be stopped unfortunately.
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Post by willo on Jul 27, 2022 1:03:14 GMT 1
Why do I get stopped from taking over 100mo of fluids when flying with my family??? Because morons spoil it for everyone. We’ve had plenty of our own experiences of this. Luton only weeks ago. Alan smith was punched when we played mk dons. The pitch is for players and officials. Tbf, if there was a player that wanted a punch, it was Alan Smith (and Lee Bowyer for that matter). |
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Post by willo on Jul 27, 2022 1:06:11 GMT 1
Unfortunately, and as with some many things in life, it’s the minority that spoil it for the few. I’ve no idea why anyone, least of all “grown” blokes, feel the need to go on the pitch ever. Always bemuses me tbh, bunch of fuckin morons and we have our fair share.
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Post by redblue on Jul 27, 2022 7:14:14 GMT 1
Imagine a grown man invading a football pitch
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 27, 2022 10:31:48 GMT 1
Imagine a grown man invading a football pitch Grown man, as in the physical sense of course… |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 27, 2022 10:44:17 GMT 1
Imagine a grown man invading a football pitch Grown man, as in the physical sense of course… I dont think most grown men are 'invading' anything, its simply something that has to be stopped because it brings with it the less 'able' to stop themselves doing something deranged. In a perfect world etc. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 27, 2022 11:49:07 GMT 1
Fencing will be brought back obviously, maybe not as drastic a style as the 1980s fencing is needed, its the only way it will be stopped unfortunately. So another example of where certain types of people want to brand all football supporters as needing to be controlled by drastic measures. They’ll never return to fences after Hillsborough, and rightly so… |
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 27, 2022 11:54:01 GMT 1
Fencing will be brought back obviously, maybe not as drastic a style as the 1980s fencing is needed, its the only way it will be stopped unfortunately. So another example of where certain types of people want to brand all football supporters as needing to be controlled by drastic measures. They’ll never return to fences after Hillsborough, and rightly so… They have a fence system at wembley, its horizontal rope thing that stops you being able to get over it. I think that what he means, not an 8 foot high with spikes. but if folk just stayed in the stands this wouldnt be need? ? |
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Post by mosher on Jul 27, 2022 12:02:34 GMT 1
Only ever done a pitch invasion once, last game at Leeds Road.
Always stood or sat near the back of the whichever stand I'm in so even if I'm tempted it's almost logistically impossible.
I don't think THOSE kinds of invasion are particularly bad, but there's always some idiot willing to screw it for the majority. This means something HAS to be done.
Not a patch on Billy Sharp's incident but my mate Carlos (of Hecky New Inn HYC) once went on the pitch to confront the ref (can't remember if it was against QPR or Wimbledon) on his own, not one single steward tried to stop him, so what chance stewards doing owt when there's hundreds streaming towards them.
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Post by Leporid on Jul 27, 2022 21:04:00 GMT 1
How will it? How long will it take? Obviously I'm over exaggerating for effect but why do the authorities and the government feel the need to interfere in the minutiae of everyday life? I think the reaction to the pitch invasion problem is about real, or threatened, public disorder and the related annoyance, or weariness, that people have that a small number of Epsilons can cause injury, disruption, and less importantly, interfere with the enjoyment of others. In itself, this is nothing knew. The authorities and the government have responsibilities of course, and are also driven to look like they are doing something. As a libertarian, of course, I think the use of cattle prods and tasers by the police and senior stewards would bring a fairly swift end to most of the pitch invasion problems. A sponsorship scheme for the said equipment should help defray the costs. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 27, 2022 21:10:52 GMT 1
Obviously I'm over exaggerating for effect but why do the authorities and the government feel the need to interfere in the minutiae of everyday life? I think the reaction to the pitch invasion problem is about real, or threatened, public disorder and the related annoyance, or weariness, that people have that a small number of Epsilons can cause injury, disruption, and less importantly, interfere with the enjoyment of others. In itself, this is nothing knew. The authorities and the government have responsibilities of course, and are also driven to look like they are doing something. As a libertarian, of course, I think the use of cattle prods and tasers by the police and senior stewards would bring a fairly swift end to most of the pitch invasion problems. A sponsorship scheme for the said equipment should help defray the costs. Been reading Brave New World mate? |
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