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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 1, 2023 23:01:20 GMT 1
With histrionics like flopping about like a fish and banging the ground like a toddler in a tantrum he doesn't help himself. But no one cares about Ruffels screwing up every attack he joins in with and being completely rinsed time and time again down the left. Ruffels gets left on his jack more than anyone else. Turton the same, the difference is Turtons experience and his choice not to get too far forward waiting for a pass that either takes an age to get to him or never comes and he has to run back at speed. The cover from the 3 centre backs is patchy at times. I do not doubt for a second Ruffels work rate and commitment to the team though, Sorba, not so much if truth be told. If sorba isnt effective going forward we are effectively playing with 10 men. I can look 'busy' on a football pitch, I can appear committed, im not convinced by him.
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Post by shawsie on Jan 1, 2023 23:05:35 GMT 1
With histrionics like flopping about like a fish and banging the ground like a toddler in a tantrum he doesn't help himself. But no one cares about Ruffels screwing up every attack he joins in with and being completely rinsed time and time again down the left. He isnt good enough. Sorba clearly is but isnt showing it.....maybe thats the reason.
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Post by joburgjon on Jan 1, 2023 23:06:53 GMT 1
I guess it’s the point about playing with wingers or not. You think we do and there’s not many other options, I think we don’t play with wingers but midfielders that can drift and do drift wide, and we have other options that can do that role Maybe we should agree to disagree on the wingers thing or we’ll be at this all season 😂😂👍⚽️ Who though? Camara, Hogg and Kasumu can't play there. Diarra shows some promise but doesn't seem ready to start. Assuming we stay 5-4-1 I don't see who else there is. Holmes and Rudoni can easily alternate. Whilst I agree that Diarra probably isn’t ready to start, the potential is there and he may very well get better by the game. I also understand Rowe is injured. Not sure with what, but maybe an option once fit. If we’re are bringing on that full back from Burnley, then KKH may also be an option to play there?? Also if we were to sell Sorba (as that’s where my other options quote came from) plus Tino and Mbete return to their parent clubs, we may well bring in a creative midfielder that could play the role All a matter of opinions I guess
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Post by ACW on Jan 1, 2023 23:08:13 GMT 1
With histrionics like flopping about like a fish and banging the ground like a toddler in a tantrum he doesn't help himself. But no one cares about Ruffels screwing up every attack he joins in with and being completely rinsed time and time again down the left. Maybe have a look at the Ruffels thread. 😄
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Post by 28901 on Jan 1, 2023 23:47:06 GMT 1
But no one cares about Ruffels screwing up every attack he joins in with and being completely rinsed time and time again down the left. Maybe have a look at the Ruffels thread. 😄 I have. There was about 3 comments. Thomas gets pages every match.
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Post by 3Pipe on Jan 1, 2023 23:59:51 GMT 1
With histrionics like flopping about like a fish and banging the ground like a toddler in a tantrum he doesn't help himself. But no one cares about Ruffels screwing up every attack he joins in with and being completely rinsed time and time again down the left. I'm playing devil's advocate here a bit because I like Sorba T a lot. He's our best attacking outfield player imo. But that's exactly why he gets more stick than Ruffels. Folk expect more of Thomas. Yes, it's unfair, but that's how it is. Folk expect more of their star player. Ruffels is a stand in player, a limited player who is only playing due to other's injuries. Not saying it's right or that these are my opinions, it's just how it is.
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Post by ACW on Jan 2, 2023 0:02:00 GMT 1
Maybe have a look at the Ruffels thread. 😄 I have. There was about 3 comments. Thomas gets pages every match. I counted 11 comments posted on the Ruffels thread since full time today.
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Post by duncfost01 on Jan 2, 2023 0:03:20 GMT 1
But no one cares about Ruffels screwing up every attack he joins in with and being completely rinsed time and time again down the left. I'm playing devil's advocate here a bit because I like Sorba T a lot. He's our best attacking outfield player imo. But that's exactly why he gets more stick than Ruffels. Folk expect more of Thomas. Yes, it's unfair, nut that's how it is. Folk expect more of their star player. Ruffels is a stand in player, a limited player who is only playing due to other's injuries. Not saying it's right or that these are my opinions, it's just how it is. Sorba is having a “second season syndrome “. He is still young and will hopefully learn. Ruffels is an awful player who never should have been signed. He is nowhere near championship standard. I’m not sure who he is standing in for though ? Yuta ? Who was better in back three. Yuta was woeful at left back. We desperately need a left sided defender.
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Post by joburgjon on Jan 2, 2023 0:07:47 GMT 1
Maybe have a look at the Ruffels thread. 😄 I have. There was about 3 comments. Thomas gets pages every match. Everyone knows Ruffles isn’t really championship quality and that he was and has been poor, there’s nothing to debate Whereas with Sorba, currently some people think he’s poor and others think he’s playing well. Some think we have decent options in his position, some think we don’t. Some think we should cash in on him if a decent offer comes in, others think we would keep him. Some think he’s not trying, others think he is trying but it’s just not working for him. Some think he can’t defend, others think he can. Some think there’s and Agenda against him, others dispute it’s an agenda and just discussing a player out of form etc etc etc etc. So people are debating their options, which is kind of the purpose of a discussion board. Hence 30 pages
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Post by 28901 on Jan 2, 2023 0:07:49 GMT 1
But no one cares about Ruffels screwing up every attack he joins in with and being completely rinsed time and time again down the left. I'm playing devil's advocate here a bit because I like Sorba T a lot. He's our best attacking outfield player imo. But that's exactly why he gets more stick than Ruffels. Folk expect more of Thomas. Yes, it's unfair, but that's how it is. Folk expect more of their star player. Ruffels is a stand in player, a limited player who is only playing due to other's injuries. Not saying it's right or that these are my opinions, it's just how it is. Standing in for who though? Is there an injured left back I'm not aware of?
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Post by ACW on Jan 2, 2023 0:12:32 GMT 1
Sorba is out of form. His poor performances stick out because we are so reliant on his deliveries into the box. In the past few games others have stepped up to ease the load, and hopefully Sorba will be able to play himself back into the form we saw last season.
With regards his set pieces, I would like to see him sharing them with Rudoni. Like he did with Sinani last season. He's obviously the main man when it comes to dead balls but, if he's struggling (like today) I'd like to see Rudoni taking them as well/instead. He's shown he can take a good set piece himself.
I'd also like to see Sorba develop his all round game. He's very good at his specialist skills, but I'd like to see his general play improve e.g. when to play the simple pass, when to use his team mates when he has drawn opposition players towards him, etc. He doesn't have to do everything himself, or produce something amazing every time he has the ball. Sometimes recycling the ball, or using his team mates in better positions is the better option.
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Post by robinvar on Jan 2, 2023 0:14:34 GMT 1
Sorba's deadball delivery today was a million miles away from last season. Which is how I'd generally describe his play since the season started. He tries,he ran hard, but never close enough to win the ball back. He's just not in any sort of form from what i can see and the squad is so thin we don't have much alternative. He is more often than not played as a wide left of right forward- when did he last score, or assist from open play? Cash in if we can bring in a couple or more experienced heads.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 2, 2023 0:34:37 GMT 1
Sorba's deadball delivery today was a million miles away from last season. Which is how I'd generally describe his play since the season started. He tries,he ran hard, but never close enough to win the ball back. He's just not in any sort of form from what i can see and the squad is so thin we don't have much alternative. He is more often than not played as a wide left of right forward- when did he last score, or assist from open play? Cash in if we can bring in a couple or more experienced heads. Last goal was Boxing Day 2021, someone said his last assist was early October
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Post by 3Pipe on Jan 2, 2023 0:35:19 GMT 1
Standing in for who though? Is there an injured left back I'm not aware of? Nakayama. Before he got injured Nakayama was our left-sided defender irrespective of whether we played a back 4 or back 5. He played LB in our win over Cardiff in a back 4 at the start of the season. The game after v Wigan, he was played left wing back in a back 5. Also played LCB obviously too. Huge loss. IMO Boyle and Ruffels are covering for first choices Pearson and Nakayama.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jan 2, 2023 0:44:46 GMT 1
Standing in for who though? Is there an injured left back I'm not aware of? Nakayama. Before he got injured Nakayama was our left-sided defender irrespective of whether we played a back 4 or back 5. He played LB in our win over Cardiff in a back 4 at the start of the season. The game after v Wigan, he was played left wing back in a back 5. Also played LCB obviously too. Huge loss. IMO Boyle and Ruffels are covering for first choices Pearson and Nakayama. Don't forget Ben Jackson whose best position is left wing back. He's also our best crosser of a ball and was the B team free kick specialist. When he's recovered from whatever illness he has, I'd have him straight in for Ruffles.
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Post by 3Pipe on Jan 2, 2023 0:50:21 GMT 1
Nakayama. Before he got injured Nakayama was our left-sided defender irrespective of whether we played a back 4 or back 5. He played LB in our win over Cardiff in a back 4 at the start of the season. The game after v Wigan, he was played left wing back in a back 5. Also played LCB obviously too. Huge loss. IMO Boyle and Ruffels are covering for first choices Pearson and Nakayama. Don't forget Ben Jackson whose best position is left wing back. He's also our best crosser of a ball and was the B team free kick specialist. When he's recovered from whatever illness he has, I'd have him straight in for Ruffles. Absolutely. But yes, Ruffels and Boyle were poor today but it has been 3 games in 6 days for them. I'm saying I wouldn't be too harsh in laying into them. Don't forget they've just played a considerable part in back to back wins prior to today.
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Post by 3Pipe on Jan 2, 2023 0:53:33 GMT 1
I don't think Sorba is going to be happy until he's starting games again.
There was one point today where I was thinking he's trying too hard, trying to do too much. It's frustrating trying to force your way back into a team.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 2, 2023 1:56:56 GMT 1
Don't forget Ben Jackson whose best position is left wing back. He's also our best crosser of a ball and was the B team free kick specialist. When he's recovered from whatever illness he has, I'd have him straight in for Ruffles. Absolutely. But yes, Ruffels and Boyle were poor today but it has been 3 games in 6 days for them. I'm saying I wouldn't be too harsh in laying into them. Don't forget they've just played a considerable part in back to back wins prior to today. Steady on Stan! We'll not be having any empathy on here lad!
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Post by durhamterrier on Jan 2, 2023 10:12:32 GMT 1
He was poor by his standards yesterday . All bar one set piece of his flopped and whilst he can take on a man , his decision making (and execution) is poor from open play.
Think Thomas is missing Turton and Pearson covering his poor defensive attributes this season whilst he’s not had the same outcome from the better corners and free kicks he’s taken .
For me , Rudoni delivered two or three pearlers yesterday and was dropped from them as soon as Thomas came on . It felt wrong , especially when his first few were poor .
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Post by sonny on Jan 2, 2023 10:37:56 GMT 1
Fingers crossed his agent is hitting the phones today. International, record assists, deadly set piece delivery, can play either flank, currently unsettled, blah,blah. Shame that highlights reel won't feature him wearing this year's kit. Come on Carlos, you know you want to.
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Post by bluebell on Jan 2, 2023 13:09:48 GMT 1
Thomas needs to ask himself the question "am i giving everything i have", as i think if he is honest with himself he hasn't and doesn't. We as fans can say o he will play himself into form and this and that. Has anyone asked them the question "what if he does not want to " Thomas starts or comes on as a sub regardless of his form, he has had a bumper new contract last season. This could well be a case of a footballer coming up from non league, earning more money than he has ever earned before and taking his foot right off the pedal. I also have a huge feeling with Thomas that he thinks he should be moving elsewhere regardless of his form, he does nto seem to be the same hungry footballer we signed 18-20 months ago. He went to a world cup and played 4 minutes, Wales when in need of a goal did not bring him on, even when getting batttered by England didn't bring him on.
I see a player who has lost his desire to improve and be better , yes he has ability but he does not seem to want to show this ability, at the moment Thomas is not playing himself into the team, if anything he is playing himself out of it. If you were a scout watching how he is getting on, would you be impressed ? Thomas has to understnad last eason means nothing, if you cannot back it up with another season .
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jan 2, 2023 13:37:17 GMT 1
Sorba is in the spotlight a bit at the moment. Looking back on yesterday, as has been said, it was the wrong substitution. He was on the left, which is his weaker side, and when he did break he had very little help. His set pieces were poor but one was a cracker and one dropped at the back post with nobody close enough to tap it in. Could be communication, others expecting a different cross, lack of pace from others to get to balls and just poor crosses. Probably a mixture of the three.
He runs at defenders, which is good, but he usually has 2 or 3 defenders on him when he does. I don’t think he gets his head up for options well but that could be him trying to impress at the moment.
Difficult with the shape we now play as I can’t see him displacing KKH. He hasn’t stopped having the ability we saw last year but he is having a harder time using those skills wisely.
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Post by alexdire on Jan 2, 2023 13:41:57 GMT 1
Sorba is in the spotlight a bit at the moment. Looking back on yesterday, as has been said, it was the wrong substitution. He was on the left, which is his weaker side, and when he did break he had very little help. His set pieces were poor but one was a cracker and one dropped at the back post with nobody close enough to tap it in. Could be communication, others expecting a different cross, lack of pace from others to get to balls and just poor crosses. Probably a mixture of the three. He runs at defenders, which is good, but he usually has 2 or 3 defenders on him when he does. I don’t think he gets his head up for options well but that could be him trying to impress at the moment. Difficult with the shape we now play as I can’t see him displacing KKH. He hasn’t stopped having the ability we saw last year but he is having a harder time using those skills wisely. I though he played well when he came on. He just shouldn't have been brought on for Hogg. Not his fault that the centre of midfield got weaker.
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Post by upthetown on Jan 2, 2023 14:01:45 GMT 1
Thomas needs to ask himself the question "am i giving everything i have", as i think if he is honest with himself he hasn't and doesn't. We as fans can say o he will play himself into form and this and that. Has anyone asked them the question "what if he does not want to " Thomas starts or comes on as a sub regardless of his form, he has had a bumper new contract last season. This could well be a case of a footballer coming up from non league, earning more money than he has ever earned before and taking his foot right off the pedal. I also have a huge feeling with Thomas that he thinks he should be moving elsewhere regardless of his form, he does nto seem to be the same hungry footballer we signed 18-20 months ago. He went to a world cup and played 4 minutes, Wales when in need of a goal did not bring him on, even when getting batttered by England didn't bring him on. I see a player who has lost his desire to improve and be better , yes he has ability but he does not seem to want to show this ability, at the moment Thomas is not playing himself into the team, if anything he is playing himself out of it. If you were a scout watching how he is getting on, would you be impressed ? Thomas has to understnad last eason means nothing, if you cannot back it up with another season . It doesn’t feel like he’s giving his all. Even attacking play aside (which has been poor) he doesn’t even run to close down when he’s just come on. Sort of jogs around putting in a token effort. Plus his tantrums when he hasn’t even been fouled look ridiculous. I want to see him picking the ball up in their half, driving at their fullback and whipping crosses in.
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Post by nicovaesen on Jan 2, 2023 14:01:55 GMT 1
Think it was in the second half where he completely bottled a 50/50 on the half way line and the south stand groaned I immediately thought this is a man going through the motions and has his move lined up. Hope I’m wrong but if he wants off we can’t afford that type of player to be hanging around now. How far have we dropped to say 18 months to 2 years ago a non league players wages would be a luxury we couldn’t afford and beaten Luton is a minor miracle 🤣
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Post by rockwall on Jan 2, 2023 16:23:04 GMT 1
After a good sleep and reflection. I want to say I do not dislike Sorba. I think that the reason he is getting a lot of criticism on because it is so frustrating watching one of our most creative players 'under perform' regularly at the moment.
I am sure he will have a consistent run of games and be vital to some positive results.
The substitution yesterday when Hogg went off showed that MF wanted to go more attacking. If Sorba had have scored or assisted and the result was different we would be applauding it. However, it didn't. So myself and many others included have used it as an excuse to beat him with a stick.
FA cup next, I expect a few changes. But I would be saying to Sorba, pressure from the league is off. Play and get a goal.
Just hope he also waits until the ball is dead before waving his arms around. I get its frustrating.
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Post by harris on Jan 5, 2023 17:16:42 GMT 1
Absolutely spot on.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 5, 2023 21:03:42 GMT 1
Better hearing than me, I didn't hear any boos when he came on
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Post by rockwall on Jan 5, 2023 21:04:58 GMT 1
I never heard a single boo.
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Post by 28901 on Jan 6, 2023 0:08:17 GMT 1
Better hearing than me, I didn't hear any boos when he came on Me neither
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