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Post by Stiggy on Aug 16, 2022 22:45:45 GMT 1
Am I the only one that thinks this guy is literally taking the piss this season?
I can't remember watching a player put in so little effort and give the ball away as much as he does!
He strolls round the pitch and and grins when he looses possession, it's infuriating.
The young lad that came on Pat Jones put in more effort in 15 minutes then he has in the last 4 games.
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Aug 16, 2022 22:48:37 GMT 1
Another one who is miles off the pace, give young Jones a chance
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Aug 16, 2022 22:51:38 GMT 1
He probably just needs a rest. Tired legs, tired mind etc. We think we had a short pre season but let's not forget he played on for 2 weeks after the play off final. Lad looks fried.
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Post by 3Pipe on Aug 16, 2022 22:52:07 GMT 1
grins when he loses possession, it's infuriating. Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that. Laughed when he missed the chance he should have done a lot better with too. |
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Post by turbo2 on Aug 16, 2022 22:55:01 GMT 1
Am I the only one that thinks this guy is literally taking the piss this season? I can't remember watching a player put in so little effort and give the ball away as much as he does! He strolls round the pitch and and grins when he looses possession, it's infuriating. The young lad that came on Pat Jones put in more effort in 15 minutes then he has in the last 4 games. It’s difficult to argue with that. I hope it’s because he was totally overplayed last season and hasn’t had a long enough break. I suspect he’s got billy big bollox after his international call up. I’d be showing him what young Jones did after coming on. Picked up the ball and ran at players with the ball. He’s certainly a shadow of the player we had last season |
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Post by softboy on Aug 16, 2022 23:06:33 GMT 1
Lets hope then we can sell him in the transfer window and get some cash in. At least DH knows knows that if we do he will be congratulated for getting rid.
Serious the lad had his first season in league football last season which was extended due to the play offs and further extended due to Wales, he just looks completely knackered to me.
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Post by tepidterrier on Aug 16, 2022 23:10:15 GMT 1
the spotlight's on him, and we have 2 maybe 3 fewer players in the first eleven who are objectively better than him, so he's being scrutinised more, and is expected to be the main man when he isn't ready for that yet mentally IMO. Following up a breakout season is tough (ask Koroma, Kachunga, etc). But it's even harder when you're tasked with following it up when the squad around you is worse (ask Mounie). His mindset isn't there yet to be given that responsibility. Hot headed and impulsive is great in a player when the going's good, but not so much right now.
Some issues were apparent last season with his play, but we were happy to look the other way because he was contributing so much. Main one for me was composure in the box, which has been pretty bad consistently and not improved- I'm not just saying it cos he missed one today. But this lack of graft is new, and I think speaks to the pressure he's now under. He's still getting the odd assist though in spite of all this, so it could be worse
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Post by harris on Aug 16, 2022 23:21:37 GMT 1
I don’t buy the ‘billy big bollocks’ stuff, but he has looked a shadow of the player he did last season.
Just think he’s tired and trying to impress probably a bit too much. Adding those factors to the fact he’s now the main man and around a poorer side, it doesn’t stack up for him to be playing at the high level he did for 90% of last season.
I’ll stick by him til he gets out of his rut, I hope everyone else does too.
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Post by turbo2 on Aug 16, 2022 23:25:42 GMT 1
I don’t buy the ‘billy big bollocks’ stuff, but he has looked a shadow of the player he did last season. Just think he’s tired and trying to impress probably a bit too much. Adding those factors to the fact he’s now the main man and around a poorer side, it doesn’t stack up for him to be playing at the high level he did for 90% of last season. I’ll stick by him til he gets out of his rut, I hope everyone else does too. I said last Christmas, send him away for a break. I’d no that now. Put him on a plane somewhere hot with no distraction. Relax and take a break for two weeks. DS under too much pressure for it to happen I guess |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 16, 2022 23:29:06 GMT 1
Didnt see tonight but mates say he was crap once again.
Dont think its not trying or anything as poor as that or that he's tired.
Just think he's woefully off form and maybe the pressure of getting into Wales WC squad is getting to him a bit.
He needs dropping to the bench. Given 20 minutes at the end of games to make an impact and get his confidence back. By the sounds of it Jones did enough tonight to take his place.
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Post by turbo2 on Aug 16, 2022 23:32:56 GMT 1
Didnt see tonight but mates say he was crap once again. Dont think its not trying or anything as poor as that or that he's tired. Just think he's woefully off form and maybe the pressure of getting into Wales WC squad is getting to him a bit. He needs dropping to the bench. Given 20 minutes at the end of games to make an impact and get his confidence back. By the sounds of it Jones did enough tonight to take his place. When it’s not going right for you, the way out is to try harder and harder. Reckon some of our lot need that explaining to them. |
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Post by incognito on Aug 16, 2022 23:33:20 GMT 1
I'd be interested to hear the rationale for switching him over to the left side.
Surely tonight would have been a decent opportunity for him to try and rediscover some form up against a central midfielder filling in at left back...
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Post by turbo2 on Aug 16, 2022 23:35:47 GMT 1
I'd be interested to hear the rationale for switching him over to the left side. Surely tonight would have been a decent opportunity for him to try and rediscover some form up against a central midfielder filling in at left back... He started on the left but spent the majority of the game on the right tonight |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 16, 2022 23:42:48 GMT 1
Like to hear the rationale on young, supposedly fit men, being tired after weeks off....
A couple of fucking days should be plenty..
If it was going much better, his legs and his 'tired mind' would be better..
Needs to work hard in training and in games, forget the 'tired' bit. Make something happen for himself and the team, perk himself up a bit.
If some fucker was chasing him, he would run faster and longer, its simply a matter of motivation.
Ok motivating yourself when 3rd in the division, nows the test..
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Post by ball on Aug 16, 2022 23:45:01 GMT 1
Believe he had a shorter pre season (and rightly so) after being away with Wales. Probably just a little under done, if he puts in work he’ll be back to it in 2/3 weeks time. Would be tempted to spell him a bit in the mean time
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Post by harris on Aug 16, 2022 23:54:08 GMT 1
Like to hear the rationale on young, supposedly fit men, being tired after weeks off.... A couple of fucking days should be plenty.. If it was going much better, his legs and his 'tired mind' would be better.. Needs to work hard in training and in games, forget the 'tired' bit. Make something happen for himself and the team, perk himself up a bit. If some fucker was chasing him, he would run faster and longer, its simply a matter of motivation. Ok motivating yourself when 3rd in the division, nows the test.. The rationale? There’s a reason the off season is a certain length, to allow players to recover from 9 months of running, gyming and putting their bodies through pain and significant stress pretty much every single day. Sorba Thomas has had less time to recover than I’d guess every single player in the championship. EDIT: make that 11 months rather than 9. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 16, 2022 23:56:01 GMT 1
Didnt see tonight but mates say he was crap once again. Dont think its not trying or anything as poor as that or that he's tired. Just think he's woefully off form and maybe the pressure of getting into Wales WC squad is getting to him a bit. He needs dropping to the bench. Given 20 minutes at the end of games to make an impact and get his confidence back. By the sounds of it Jones did enough tonight to take his place. When it’s not going right for you, the way out is to try harder and harder. Reckon some of our lot need that explaining to them. Might work for Russell certainly! A bit more effort wouldn't do him any harm. Think in Thomas's case its like he's trying too hard somehow. And just getting it wrong all the time. Like its forced and not coming naturally to him. |
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Post by ritchie on Aug 17, 2022 1:22:02 GMT 1
Agree I dont think it's billy big bollocks, as he seems too driven to quit/think he's made it
A spell on the bench would do him good though. Rest, different view of the game, and (if required) a bit of extra drive before the WC.
We've got plenty of options
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Post by Will on Aug 17, 2022 1:37:06 GMT 1
Think he’s just lost his mojo for a bit.
Tricky one for DS.
We have a few players not quite right. Suspect we need some more leaders on the field. We need some of these guys to step up and lead.
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Post by townarentbest on Aug 17, 2022 1:54:25 GMT 1
Didnt see tonight but mates say he was crap once again. Dont think its not trying or anything as poor as that or that he's tired. Just think he's woefully off form and maybe the pressure of getting into Wales WC squad is getting to him a bit. He needs dropping to the bench. Given 20 minutes at the end of games to make an impact and get his confidence back. By the sounds of it Jones did enough tonight to take his place. He attempted a shot at goal and managed to hit himself in the face 🤯 |
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Post by pstarbuckscoffee on Aug 17, 2022 2:40:25 GMT 1
Agree with a lot of the comments above - he’s probably played more games than he should have at this stage of his career progression, he now carries a lot of the whole team’s pressure and expectation…
But many folk are missing the main point that he is also a ‘marked man’ in terms of the opposition.
I haven’t seen tonight’s game, but I defo saw him double marked on Saturday against Stoke and their manager (as well as whining like fuck) was clear in his post match that their game plan was to nullify Sorba’s threat. It was especially noticeable in the second half.
He defo has the talent - and a personal World Cup aim - to pull through. Especially now there is competition for places in the team!
Will come good 👍🏼
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Post by Metch on Aug 17, 2022 4:53:24 GMT 1
Sorba's form and attitude shows that DS hasn't got a grip on the man management of the team. Most coaches would have sorted him out, one way or another.
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Post by golcarexile on Aug 17, 2022 5:42:39 GMT 1
I don't see an attitude problem at all. There's certainly an element of trying too hard though, which is making the frustration boil over when things don't go his way. Last year was almost too good and now expectations are perhaps just a little bit too high, not least from Sorba of himself. A couple of games out of the starting line up with the chance to make an impact as a sub might do him some good.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 17, 2022 5:55:31 GMT 1
He's never been amazing in open play. He lacks the skill to beat a man in a one on one, the only time he gets in behind or down the line is when he is fed one to chase after.
I'd say his set piece delivery is Premier League standard but in open play he's top end League One
As for going away with Wales. He sat on the bench for 3 games and played the last which was a glorified friendly. It's hardly like he's done a tour in Afghanistan
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Post by sonny on Aug 17, 2022 6:36:19 GMT 1
When I saw him grinning after shanking another cross I just wished Neil Warnock was waiting for him.
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Aug 17, 2022 6:50:29 GMT 1
I'd be interested to hear the rationale for switching him over to the left side. Surely tonight would have been a decent opportunity for him to try and rediscover some form up against a central midfielder filling in at left back... Because we have a wing back on the right then when we have the ball KKHs job is to be up the pitch providing the width with the player in the RF position tucking in to support Ward. Saturday this was Tino and last night Holmes. On the L side Ruffels isn't as progressive and its the LFs job to provide the width which suits Sorbas game better. Problem is Sorba isn't left footed. It worked better last year as we mirrored this with Toffolo being the progressive one with Sinani being able to come inside to the no 10/ supporting striker role and Thomas providing the width on his natural side. The answer to all this is to get a LWB in so we can chop and change which side creates the overload. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 17, 2022 6:58:11 GMT 1
I did warn of this at the end of last season when everyone was bigging him up saying he was the best thing dance sliced bread and worth 10 million quid. He's gone the total other way now, back to looking like a non league player. The lad is trying though but looks out of form and out of confidence.
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Post by ruggedivy on Aug 17, 2022 6:59:45 GMT 1
If he has lost confidence/ mojo then don't see how playing him out of position helps.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Aug 17, 2022 7:42:05 GMT 1
grins when he loses possession, it's infuriating. Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that. Laughed when he missed the chance he should have done a lot better with too. That’s just frustration. Some players shout, some look clearly pissed off, some thump the turf, some laugh and smile. I wouldn’t read anything in to it. |
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Post by 28901 on Aug 17, 2022 8:05:15 GMT 1
Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that. Laughed when he missed the chance he should have done a lot better with too. That’s just frustration. Some players shout, some look clearly pissed off, some thump the turf, some laugh and smile. I wouldn’t read anything in to it. As if he actually thinks its funny. Its just a reaction. That guy who missed the penalty for Swindon in the play offs. He go slaughtered for laughing but he was distraught. |
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