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Post by shawsie on Sept 5, 2022 18:00:23 GMT 1
Dyche had good footballers at burnley - am sick of this drivel about him playing long ball all the time. Second season in prem at home after a decent start they absolutely played us off the park and he kept them up with minimal investment for years. Their training facility makes ours look like storthes hall and he developed players like wood, mcneil, tarkowski, mee, who are all at bigger clubs right now!! Im not advocating his appointment here...............but lets be honest, if the seven performances thus far are evidence of "good footballers" playing then christ we have real problems and you'd take him every day. DS needs telling / advising - pick a system and personnel to suit it.....stop over complicating the damn thing and do what the best teams do - keep it simple and when things arent working change it. Every sub yesterday seemed like for like and thats been a similar tale in most games - when its not working change is needed and if he doesnt "get it" soon there will be a managerial one and that would be harsh on the guy given what he inherited!!!! Ironic that you've highlighted 4 players who are all over 6 foot. That game you talk about, in only 1 other game that season did they attempt or complete more passes, or had more possession. It's was the exception rather than the norm probably due to them playing a terrible side that had just lost 7 on the bounce and in the middle of a run of 14 defeats in 15 games. He's also admitted to being a long ball manager and proud of it, 442 and get it forward. He's said before "my view is to play effective football and if that means making sure the ball goes on top of their centre halves that's what we'll do". If that's not an admission of a long ball game then I don't know what is?! You can view any statistic and it shows the same thing whilst he was at Burnley so to say it's drivel that they were a long ball team is absolute bollocks. But they didnt play long ball all the time - why do you think bigger clubs have bought players he developed if all his players were so one dimensional?! As he said "effective football" - if thats 1 pass or 101 does it matter?! I dont care how tall players are - thats a ludicrous argument....haaland is 6ft 4 ffs!!!! Passes and possession - we had more of both than blackpool yesterday by some distance - made no bloody difference! We still lost the game. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Sept 5, 2022 18:11:04 GMT 1
Which passages of play ? The ones where a right sided player keeps coming inside or the one where a right sided player tries to tackle with his less favoured foot or the one where opposition managers know that Rhodes will replace ward on or around 75 mins or the one where when losing we put on a left back at CB? Watched town for long enough to know when the manager isn’t going to work. He is reminding me of Wadsworth… When we were creating chances. Some of the movement off the ball (primarily from Rudoni, it has to be said he's a rare shining light so far). The effort was there, I don't think they're "not playing for Schofield". I think there's an element of Schofield trying to run before he can walk. One of the strengths of last season was the versatility of some players allowing us to change formation within a game without changing personnel, and each player understanding that role, but that takes time. I'd also add that some if that has been forced upon him. Some say we had a good window - I don't think we did. Don't get me wrong, I don't think everyone we brought in has been shit. But key players left and they haven't all been replaced. As a result we've got a rookie head coach trying to adapt to plug that gaping hole in the squad, and it's to the detriment of the rest of the side. Sack Schofield? That might be the right choice but whoever comes in to replace him will have the same issues to deal with. We have known for a year that is was very likely Lewis and toffolo would leave. Rudhoni has lots of potential but hasn’t yet delivered in terms of goals or assists. I agree it wasn’t a good window. Nothing has been said about Hoggy, but that looked like an injury that’s going to keep him out for a while. Makes our midfield options look even worse. However, you cannot play so many players out of position. Why take off ward ? Should have stayed on along with Jordan. Just naive and quite frankly idiotic. |
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Post by shawsie on Sept 5, 2022 18:11:43 GMT 1
We havent replaced LOB and Toffs though slapps - both had bundles of energy and LOB in particular was the heartbeat of the team.......absolute class. Folks (incl the owner!) have gone on about his final ball etc, but hes so much better than what we have currently its frightening! We literally have no midfield at present - rudoni is too peripheral, russell turns back every bloody time he gets it and the less said about thomas and tino in their current roles the better. The management team have made the cardinal sin of accommodating players at the expense of the team - thomas was superb wide right for most of last season and he's wide left now doing basically bugger all cos we dont have a supporting left back! Tino for all his ability aint cutting it consistently and was anonymous again yesterday. Agree re the overall squad - but its time for some home truths for a few right now. We cannot over emphasise how average blackpool were, and at NO time did we look like winning. Thats not acceptable. You think Rudoni is too peripheral? I think he's involved in everything, constantly demanding the ball. Not as strong at LOB but better technically and has the same great engine to get up and down the pitch. I like LOB but to me he was only our 4th best player last season after Nicholls, lees and Sorba. Ive not seen every game he's played but in the ones I have Rudoni has been our best player or very close to it. And its only fair to point out LOB was playing amongst players who were bang on form last season. Rudoni is playing alongside players like Russell and Tino who barely move never mind rarely do anything with the ball when they have it. Have to disagree sir. LOB second only to nicholls for me in consistency alone. Rudoni is a decent player and a young guy who should improve - but nowhere near LOB for me as yet. LOB made options for the clearly immobile russell, carried us up the pitch with energy and was a min 6.5/7 out of 10 every game. Ive only seen 2 but rudoni not at that level yet and for me is playing too deep. Time will tell how he develops. As for the out of form comment, i would argue that the consistency of Nicholls/LOB most of the season and Toffs post xmas were absolutely integral to bringing out the best in the others. At present barely anyone is playing at their top level and this hasnt been helped by the formation DS is using particularly the one yday. |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Sept 5, 2022 18:12:26 GMT 1
We havent replaced LOB and Toffs though slapps - both had bundles of energy and LOB in particular was the heartbeat of the team.......absolute class. Folks (incl the owner!) have gone on about his final ball etc, but hes so much better than what we have currently its frightening! We literally have no midfield at present - rudoni is too peripheral, russell turns back every bloody time he gets it and the less said about thomas and tino in their current roles the better. The management team have made the cardinal sin of accommodating players at the expense of the team - thomas was superb wide right for most of last season and he's wide left now doing basically bugger all cos we dont have a supporting left back! Tino for all his ability aint cutting it consistently and was anonymous again yesterday. Agree re the overall squad - but its time for some home truths for a few right now. We cannot over emphasise how average blackpool were, and at NO time did we look like winning. Thats not acceptable. You think Rudoni is too peripheral? I think he's involved in everything, constantly demanding the ball. Not as strong at LOB but better technically and has the same great engine to get up and down the pitch. I like LOB but to me he was only our 4th best player last season after Nicholls, lees and Sorba. Ive not seen every game he's played but in the ones I have Rudoni has been our best player or very close to it. And its only fair to point out LOB was playing amongst players who were bang on form last season. Rudoni is playing alongside players like Russell and Tino who barely move never mind rarely do anything with the ball when they have it. Capn I can’t quite get my head around your take on LOB. 4th best player last year!? You’ve got to be kidding me. He had a Mooy-esque effect on our team. That is to say, without Mooy or LOB we would have ended up NOWHERE NEAR 3rd. He was imo in the top 3 players in the football league. To compare him in anyway to Rudoni I think is way way off…he is streets ahead, technically and otherwise. |
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Post by bluestripe on Sept 5, 2022 18:13:26 GMT 1
I am one of the few people who voted "in". That does not mean I'm convinced by Schofield, but if the decision has been made to appoint someone, then I think they have to be given more than 7 games to prove themselves.
The DATM kangaroo court is not always correct, as we saw with the Corberan out threads last season, which now look absolutely ridiculous (arguably so at the time too).
However, if I were a betting man, I suspect DATM will be proved right on this occasion but still Schofield deserves a fair crack of the whip.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Sept 5, 2022 18:25:52 GMT 1
I am one of the few people who voted "in". That does not mean I'm convinced by Schofield, but if the decision has been made to appoint someone, then I think they have to be given more than 7 games to prove themselves. The DATM kangaroo court is not always correct, as we saw with the Corberan out threads last season, which now look absolutely ridiculous (arguably so at the time too). However, if I were a betting man, I suspect DATM will be proved right on this occasion but still Schofield deserves a fair crack of the whip. Normally I would agree with you, however I just feel that this is actually a really good squad. A change now could easily see us catch the pack and make playoffs. A couple more defeats and that chance has gone. It would be a real waste for this group to just try and avoid relegation. |
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Post by workshyfop on Sept 5, 2022 18:30:30 GMT 1
I am one of the few people who voted "in". That does not mean I'm convinced by Schofield, but if the decision has been made to appoint someone, then I think they have to be given more than 7 games to prove themselves. The DATM kangaroo court is not always correct, as we saw with the Corberan out threads last season, which now look absolutely ridiculous (arguably so at the time too). However, if I were a betting man, I suspect DATM will be proved right on this occasion but still Schofield deserves a fair crack of the whip. Normally I would agree with you, however I just feel that this is actually a really good squad. A change now could easily see us catch the pack and make playoffs. A couple more defeats and that chance has gone. It would be a real waste for this group to just try and avoid relegation. I think most of us would settle for just avoiding relegation at the moment. |
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Post by nabbysarratemyhamster on Sept 5, 2022 18:36:19 GMT 1
I am one of the few people who voted "in". That does not mean I'm convinced by Schofield, but if the decision has been made to appoint someone, then I think they have to be given more than 7 games to prove themselves. The DATM kangaroo court is not always correct, as we saw with the Corberan out threads last season, which now look absolutely ridiculous (arguably so at the time too). However, if I were a betting man, I suspect DATM will be proved right on this occasion but still Schofield deserves a fair crack of the whip. I was never a coberan out because I could see what he was trying to do…. We were told continuity wasn’t the reason for DS… last years success was built on solid foundations… LOB/HT obviously had good defensive attributes but more in the mould of getting us back on the front foot than being particularly solid defensively… I see nothing in our set up, style of play and ingrained shithousery protecting a lead (I accept there hasn’t been many of these to protect but West Brom as shining example) that suggests continuity. We have gone from being the best coached squad to arguably the worst in the championship if you factor in we had a squad capable of finishing 10th - 14th last year the coaching got us to 3rd applying the same logic (whilst it’s only my opinion) will see us relegated. I just see nothing to be enthused about (apart from Pat Jones) and I just can’t believe we are waiting when the trigger needs to be pulled… I’d of pullled it even if we had won yesterday. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 18:39:15 GMT 1
DS is not going anywhere at the moment a few results in the next 3 and our season can really start, the new players will improve the starting 11 hopefully enough to pick up a few scrappy wins and then as we have seen before the believe and confidence will come flowing back.
DS not going as DH and LB believe he is the right man for the job, also there is nobody else available or able to come that they have more trust in, DW we all no would give us a boost right now and the only way that could work, if he came as some form of consultant/ coach’s coach on a temporary basis to try and help DS learn quicker in some areas, something as a club we thought we had a few seasons before he needed to be ready. It’s the only way DW would come back to the club as a part time / short term contract as his family not moving back.
There is only one person to blame for the current situation it’s CC for screwing us over so late in the day, he was fully aware of budgets and players leaving even before the playoff final (if we didn’t go up).
I do think DS needs some help but will he accept it and will it be offered to him.
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Post by Amigo on Sept 5, 2022 18:43:20 GMT 1
Ironic that you've highlighted 4 players who are all over 6 foot. That game you talk about, in only 1 other game that season did they attempt or complete more passes, or had more possession. It's was the exception rather than the norm probably due to them playing a terrible side that had just lost 7 on the bounce and in the middle of a run of 14 defeats in 15 games. He's also admitted to being a long ball manager and proud of it, 442 and get it forward. He's said before "my view is to play effective football and if that means making sure the ball goes on top of their centre halves that's what we'll do". If that's not an admission of a long ball game then I don't know what is?! You can view any statistic and it shows the same thing whilst he was at Burnley so to say it's drivel that they were a long ball team is absolute bollocks. But they didnt play long ball all the time - why do you think bigger clubs have bought players he developed if all his players were so one dimensional?! As he said "effective football" - if thats 1 pass or 101 does it matter?! I dont care how tall players are - thats a ludicrous argument....haaland is 6ft 4 ffs!!!! Passes and possession - we had more of both than blackpool yesterday by some distance - made no bloody difference! We still lost the game. You've kind of veered off my original point here and gone off on a bizarre tangent. I'm not saying a certain style of football is right or wrong. My point is we don't have the squad for the type of football Dyche would want us to play. The stats show they did play long ball for the vast majority of the time. I've no idea what you're on about when you say I've made a ludicrous argument so can't even respond to that. You personally might not care how tall a player is but you can be sure as shit Dyche does. |
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 5, 2022 18:52:50 GMT 1
DS is not going anywhere at the moment a few results in the next 3 and our season can really start, the new players will improve the starting 11 hopefully enough to pick up a few scrappy wins and then as we have seen before the believe and confidence will come flowing back. DS not going as DH and LB believe he is the right man for the job, also there is nobody else available or able to come that they have more trust in, DW we all no would give us a boost right now and the only way that could work, if he came as some form of consultant/ coach’s coach on a temporary basis to try and help DS learn quicker in some areas, something as a club we thought we had a few seasons before he needed to be ready. It’s the only way DW would come back to the club as a part time / short term contract as his family not moving back. There is only one person to blame for the current situation it’s CC for screwing us over so late in the day, he was fully aware of budgets and players leaving even before the playoff final (if we didn’t go up). I do think DS needs some help but will he accept it and will it be offered to him. And if the next 3 games are all defeats... |
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Post by midge on Sept 5, 2022 18:55:50 GMT 1
You think Rudoni is too peripheral? I think he's involved in everything, constantly demanding the ball. Not as strong at LOB but better technically and has the same great engine to get up and down the pitch. I like LOB but to me he was only our 4th best player last season after Nicholls, lees and Sorba. Ive not seen every game he's played but in the ones I have Rudoni has been our best player or very close to it. And its only fair to point out LOB was playing amongst players who were bang on form last season. Rudoni is playing alongside players like Russell and Tino who barely move never mind rarely do anything with the ball when they have it. Capn I can’t quite get my head around your take on LOB. 4th best player last year!? You’ve got to be kidding me. He had a Mooy-esque effect on our team. That is to say, without Mooy or LOB we would have ended up NOWHERE NEAR 3rd. He was imo in the top 3 players in the football league. To compare him in anyway to Rudoni I think is way way off…he is streets ahead, technically and otherwise. Stangely, I can see both points of view here! Nicholls and Lees were pivotal in a defence that was unrecognisable from the previous season and a major factor why we finished 3rd. Sorba’s set pieces were our main source of goals. From the games I have season however(albeit we are only 7 games in) LOB’s energy, drive and ability to get us up the pitch are being sorely missed. I wouldn’t however agree he was ‘streets ahead’ technically- he wasn’t IMO but with the other strengths in his game I mentioned above, he didn’t necessarily need to be! |
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Post by morleyterrier on Sept 5, 2022 18:58:36 GMT 1
A decent Man, struggling in an environment where sentiment is not the order of the day.
Sack him?, hell no. Bring an experienced head in to help him or allocate him another coaching role at the Club (possibly first Team). Absolutely yes.
Promoted beyond his capability, what was he supposed to do, turn it down?.
Danny, it isn't working but for goodness sake don't look at the crude, crass OP poll of 'sack him or not'.
You deserve more respect than that. Any decent Human being does.
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Post by buckers on Sept 5, 2022 19:03:32 GMT 1
DS is not going anywhere at the moment a few results in the next 3 and our season can really start, the new players will improve the starting 11 hopefully enough to pick up a few scrappy wins and then as we have seen before the believe and confidence will come flowing back. DS not going as DH and LB believe he is the right man for the job, also there is nobody else available or able to come that they have more trust in, DW we all no would give us a boost right now and the only way that could work, if he came as some form of consultant/ coach’s coach on a temporary basis to try and help DS learn quicker in some areas, something as a club we thought we had a few seasons before he needed to be ready. It’s the only way DW would come back to the club as a part time / short term contract as his family not moving back. There is only one person to blame for the current situation it’s CC for screwing us over so late in the day, he was fully aware of budgets and players leaving even before the playoff final (if we didn’t go up). I do think DS needs some help but will he accept it and will it be offered to him. So CC knew about the players leaving before the play off final ? So ergo DH knew about the players leaving before the play off final? Why don’t we have a decent replacement in at left back then! |
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Post by richhtfc on Sept 5, 2022 19:04:38 GMT 1
DS is not going anywhere at the moment a few results in the next 3 and our season can really start, the new players will improve the starting 11 hopefully enough to pick up a few scrappy wins and then as we have seen before the believe and confidence will come flowing back. DS not going as DH and LB believe he is the right man for the job, also there is nobody else available or able to come that they have more trust in, DW we all no would give us a boost right now and the only way that could work, if he came as some form of consultant/ coach’s coach on a temporary basis to try and help DS learn quicker in some areas, something as a club we thought we had a few seasons before he needed to be ready. It’s the only way DW would come back to the club as a part time / short term contract as his family not moving back. There is only one person to blame for the current situation it’s CC for screwing us over so late in the day, he was fully aware of budgets and players leaving even before the playoff final (if we didn’t go up). I do think DS needs some help but will he accept it and will it be offered to him. So CC knew about the players leaving before the play off final ? So ergo DH knew about the players leaving before the play off final? Why don’t we have a decent replacement in at left back then! We do, he’s a Japanese international left back |
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 5, 2022 19:39:48 GMT 1
So CC knew about the players leaving before the play off final ? So ergo DH knew about the players leaving before the play off final? Why don’t we have a decent replacement in at left back then! We do, he’s a Japanese international left back Some say he's a left back. Some say he's a left sided centre back. Some say he can play either role. You can agree or disagree with each of those groups but he's effectively being asked to replace Toffolo and Colwill on his own. One or the other. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 19:40:59 GMT 1
So CC knew about the players leaving before the play off final ? So ergo DH knew about the players leaving before the play off final? Why don’t we have a decent replacement in at left back then! We do, he’s a Japanese international left back CC was fully aware if we don’t win then LOB was leaving, Toff would leave as refused a new contract unless we got promoted, obviously we were not keeping Levi, Eiting and others was CC decision. We have replaced all in theory but new signings don’t always work out straight away unfortunately, especially with a different manager with a different plan, Players DS wanted were only the last two CBs the area he thought we were weakest, he had not time to think about others, CC approved all others including Simpson (this doesn’t mean DS doesn’t want them, just means if he had the full summer we may have looked at it a little differently. We have a decent squad one that should easily be able to be mid table and possibly push on, right now we need a big boost and what I was really saying is a boost of someone experienced could be a huge boost for DS if it was all agreed and understood why. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 19:47:46 GMT 1
We do, he’s a Japanese international left back Some say he's a left back. Some say he's a left sided centre back. Some say he can play either role. You can agree or disagree with each of those groups but he's effectively being asked to replace Toffolo and Colwill on his own. One or the other. He has had to try and replace both until new signings came in. GK Nicholls RCB Pearson CCB Helik LCB Mbete RWB Sorba LWB Naka CM Kasumu CM Hogg CM Rudoni AM TA CF Ward Subs from, Holmes, lees, ruffles, Turton, Rhodes, KH, jones, Mahoney, Simpson, Russell, Rowe, Boyle Team above is on paper as strong as last season maybe lacking a little in midfield but how do you replace LOB really. |
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Post by richhtfc on Sept 5, 2022 19:49:09 GMT 1
We do, he’s a Japanese international left back Some say he's a left back. Some say he's a left sided centre back. Some say he can play either role. You can agree or disagree with each of those groups but he's effectively being asked to replace Toffolo and Colwill on his own. One or the other. He isn’t though is he? If Pearson had stayed fit Yuta would have been the left back, but he’s had to cover more centrally. We have Mbete as cover now so he’ll be able to play his favoured position. |
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 5, 2022 19:56:44 GMT 1
Some say he's a left back. Some say he's a left sided centre back. Some say he can play either role. You can agree or disagree with each of those groups but he's effectively being asked to replace Toffolo and Colwill on his own. One or the other. He isn’t though is he? If Pearson had stayed fit he’d have been the left back, but he’s had to cover more centrally. We have Mbete as cover now so he’ll be able to play his favoured position. Left wing back is his favoured position??? Even if you buy that (I don't), who plays LCB if Mbete isn't up to much? We seem to be taking for granted that Mbete is a like for like replacement for Colwill, but Colwill was exceptional. We're putting a lot of eggs in one basket if we're expecting an 18 year old loanee to save our season. |
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Post by richhtfc on Sept 5, 2022 19:58:01 GMT 1
He isn’t though is he? If Pearson had stayed fit he’d have been the left back, but he’s had to cover more centrally. We have Mbete as cover now so he’ll be able to play his favoured position. Left wing back is his favoured position??? Even if you buy that (I don't), who plays LCB if Mbete isn't up to much? We seem to be taking for granted that Mbete is a like for like replacement for Colwill, but Colwill was exceptional. We're putting a lot of eggs in one basket if we're expecting an 18 year old loanee to save our season. Nope left back. Not wing back, I didn’t say wing back although it think it’s too early to say he can’t play that position, he’s clearly a good footballer, sure he’ll adapt. |
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Post by shawsie on Sept 5, 2022 20:04:03 GMT 1
But they didnt play long ball all the time - why do you think bigger clubs have bought players he developed if all his players were so one dimensional?! As he said "effective football" - if thats 1 pass or 101 does it matter?! I dont care how tall players are - thats a ludicrous argument....haaland is 6ft 4 ffs!!!! Passes and possession - we had more of both than blackpool yesterday by some distance - made no bloody difference! We still lost the game. You've kind of veered off my original point here and gone off on a bizarre tangent. I'm not saying a certain style of football is right or wrong. My point is we don't have the squad for the type of football Dyche would want us to play. The stats show they did play long ball for the vast majority of the time. I've no idea what you're on about when you say I've made a ludicrous argument so can't even respond to that. You personally might not care how tall a player is but you can be sure as shit Dyche does. Good managers can work with different squads - i think dyche could with this one. Without doubt better than the current incumbent. You mentioned all the players whove left for better pastures new are over 6ft as a stick to beat dyche about long ball.....i said i dont think its that relevant. Sorry if you think thats going off at tangents. Dyche wouldnt come here - weve set our stall out to create pathways to develop players and he would want total autonomy over the football side of things - he wouldnt get that here so its a non starter. My point is its not fair to bemoan successful managers as long ball - if its so one dimensional it doesnt say much for so called better "footballing" ones that they cant stop em succeeding - in my opinion of course. |
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Post by Amigo on Sept 5, 2022 20:22:08 GMT 1
You've kind of veered off my original point here and gone off on a bizarre tangent. I'm not saying a certain style of football is right or wrong. My point is we don't have the squad for the type of football Dyche would want us to play. The stats show they did play long ball for the vast majority of the time. I've no idea what you're on about when you say I've made a ludicrous argument so can't even respond to that. You personally might not care how tall a player is but you can be sure as shit Dyche does. Good managers can work with different squads - i think dyche could with this one. Without doubt better than the current incumbent. You mentioned all the players whove left for better pastures new are over 6ft as a stick to beat dyche about long ball.....i said i dont think its that relevant. Sorry if you think thats going off at tangents. Dyche wouldnt come here - weve set our stall out to create pathways to develop players and he would want total autonomy over the football side of things - he wouldnt get that here so its a non starter. My point is its not fair to bemoan successful managers as long ball - if its so one dimensional it doesnt say much for so called better "footballing" ones that they cant stop em succeeding - in my opinion of course. I don't think Dyche could work with this squad, they aren't his type of players at all. The mentioning of players being over 6 foot that you had picked out was relevant due to the fact they are Dyche type players. He IS a long ball manager though, he's said it himself and all stats point prove it to be the case. Did I bemoan him? No. Did I said it was a bad way to set up? No. Did I say it couldn't be successful? No. It just wouldn't work with our squad. |
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Post by shawsie on Sept 5, 2022 20:26:42 GMT 1
Good managers can work with different squads - i think dyche could with this one. Without doubt better than the current incumbent. You mentioned all the players whove left for better pastures new are over 6ft as a stick to beat dyche about long ball.....i said i dont think its that relevant. Sorry if you think thats going off at tangents. Dyche wouldnt come here - weve set our stall out to create pathways to develop players and he would want total autonomy over the football side of things - he wouldnt get that here so its a non starter. My point is its not fair to bemoan successful managers as long ball - if its so one dimensional it doesnt say much for so called better "footballing" ones that they cant stop em succeeding - in my opinion of course. I don't think Dyche could work with this squad, they aren't his type of players at all. The mentioning of players being over 6 foot that you had picked out was relevant due to the fact they are Dyche type players. He IS a long ball manager though, he's said it himself and all stats point prove it to be the case. Did I bemoan him? No. Did I said it was a bad way to set up? No. Did I say it couldn't be successful? No. It just wouldn't work with our squad. Agree to disagree fella. |
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Post by Morning Norwood on Sept 5, 2022 20:28:00 GMT 1
If we had any ambition we should have approached Sean Dyche. Is that the same Sean Dyche who will be earning more for next few years doing nothing, as he had a good contract at Burnley? Yeah, can see why he’d come to town for less. |
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Post by schindlersmissed on Sept 5, 2022 20:33:17 GMT 1
Ironic that you've highlighted 4 players who are all over 6 foot. That game you talk about, in only 1 other game that season did they attempt or complete more passes, or had more possession. It's was the exception rather than the norm probably due to them playing a terrible side that had just lost 7 on the bounce and in the middle of a run of 14 defeats in 15 games. He's also admitted to being a long ball manager and proud of it, 442 and get it forward. He's said before "my view is to play effective football and if that means making sure the ball goes on top of their centre halves that's what we'll do". If that's not an admission of a long ball game then I don't know what is?! You can view any statistic and it shows the same thing whilst he was at Burnley so to say it's drivel that they were a long ball team is absolute bollocks. But they didnt play long ball all the time - why do you think bigger clubs have bought players he developed if all his players were so one dimensional?! As he said "effective football" - if thats 1 pass or 101 does it matter?! I dont care how tall players are - thats a ludicrous argument....haaland is 6ft 4 ffs!!!! Passes and possession - we had more of both than blackpool yesterday by some distance - made no bloody difference! We still lost the game. To be fair we ‘drew’ the game if you’re looking at the result as a reflection on the manager. DS’ team scored once and so did Blackpool. |
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Post by sykeylad on Sept 5, 2022 20:40:25 GMT 1
A decent Man, struggling in an environment where sentiment is not the order of the day. Sack him?, hell no. Bring an experienced head in to help him or allocate him another coaching role at the Club (possibly first Team). Absolutely yes. Promoted beyond his capability, what was he supposed to do, turn it down?. Danny, it isn't working but for goodness sake don't look at the crude, crass OP poll of 'sack him or not'. You deserve more respect than that. Any decent Human being does. This pretty much where I am. Pretty crass op in my view. It's not a binary position that we are in.The question that is more appropriate I feel is "what position within the club should Danny Schofield occupy, to best help the 1st team and give us the best value of his qualities?". I'm thinking 2nd in command, not head coach. |
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Post by shawsie on Sept 5, 2022 20:50:42 GMT 1
But they didnt play long ball all the time - why do you think bigger clubs have bought players he developed if all his players were so one dimensional?! As he said "effective football" - if thats 1 pass or 101 does it matter?! I dont care how tall players are - thats a ludicrous argument....haaland is 6ft 4 ffs!!!! Passes and possession - we had more of both than blackpool yesterday by some distance - made no bloody difference! We still lost the game. To be fair we ‘drew’ the game if you’re looking at the result as a reflection on the manager. DS’ team scored once and so did Blackpool. Sadly we didnt - the result still stands! |
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Post by Melc on Sept 5, 2022 21:14:23 GMT 1
DS is not going anywhere at the moment a few results in the next 3 and our season can really start, the new players will improve the starting 11 hopefully enough to pick up a few scrappy wins and then as we have seen before the believe and confidence will come flowing back. DS not going as DH and LB believe he is the right man for the job, also there is nobody else available or able to come that they have more trust in, DW we all no would give us a boost right now and the only way that could work, if he came as some form of consultant/ coach’s coach on a temporary basis to try and help DS learn quicker in some areas, something as a club we thought we had a few seasons before he needed to be ready. It’s the only way DW would come back to the club as a part time / short term contract as his family not moving back. There is only one person to blame for the current situation it’s CC for screwing us over so late in the day, he was fully aware of budgets and players leaving even before the playoff final (if we didn’t go up). I do think DS needs some help but will he accept it and will it be offered to him. Sorry but your post is confusing me….you say he is not going anywhere because DH thinks he is the right man… you then say nobody else is available who they trust as much at this time. So how do they know that if they where not looking at a different option. That sounds like carry on Schofield because at the minute we can’t find a suitable replacement for you! So you know DW won’t come either, so again has he been sounded out for the club to know that info? All seems a strange way to give DS confidence in his position. |
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Post by ACW on Sept 5, 2022 21:49:01 GMT 1
We havent replaced LOB and Toffs though slapps - both had bundles of energy and LOB in particular was the heartbeat of the team.......absolute class. Folks (incl the owner!) have gone on about his final ball etc, but hes so much better than what we have currently its frightening! We literally have no midfield at present - rudoni is too peripheral, russell turns back every bloody time he gets it and the less said about thomas and tino in their current roles the better. The management team have made the cardinal sin of accommodating players at the expense of the team - thomas was superb wide right for most of last season and he's wide left now doing basically bugger all cos we dont have a supporting left back! Tino for all his ability aint cutting it consistently and was anonymous again yesterday. Agree re the overall squad - but its time for some home truths for a few right now. We cannot over emphasise how average blackpool were, and at NO time did we look like winning. Thats not acceptable. Worse than that, several times yesterday he stood behind a Blackpool player when Hogg was in possession, offering no angle for a pass. Yes, I noticed that too. It caused major problems for us when we tried to play out from the back. Russell should be providing that link between the defense and the attacking players further up the pitch, yet he was constantly positioned behind a Blackpool player, almost as if he was hiding from the ball. And when he did receive the ball, he invariably passed it backwards. This isn't a problem if he passes and moves into a position to receive a return. But he didn't. He passed it back and stood still. He's often slow in what he does, but his lack of mobility is his major weakness. It's very frustrating , because the lad has technical ability - far more than many of his team mates. His role is pivotal to us moving the ball up the pitch. His lack of mobility affects our ability to pass through the thirds effectively. It's a big reason why we look so slow and disjointed when we try to move the ball forward. And, from a defensive point of view, his lack of mobility means he offers little to protect the defence. |
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