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Post by King Curtis on Sept 5, 2022 23:15:27 GMT 1
A decent Man, struggling in an environment where sentiment is not the order of the day. Sack him?, hell no. Bring an experienced head in to help him or allocate him another coaching role at the Club (possibly first Team). Absolutely yes. Promoted beyond his capability, what was he supposed to do, turn it down?. Danny, it isn't working but for goodness sake don't look at the crude, crass OP poll of 'sack him or not'. You deserve more respect than that. Any decent Human being does. Well said Morley. That's close to where I'm at too. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2022 23:20:24 GMT 1
DS is not going anywhere at the moment a few results in the next 3 and our season can really start, the new players will improve the starting 11 hopefully enough to pick up a few scrappy wins and then as we have seen before the believe and confidence will come flowing back. DS not going as DH and LB believe he is the right man for the job, also there is nobody else available or able to come that they have more trust in, DW we all no would give us a boost right now and the only way that could work, if he came as some form of consultant/ coach’s coach on a temporary basis to try and help DS learn quicker in some areas, something as a club we thought we had a few seasons before he needed to be ready. It’s the only way DW would come back to the club as a part time / short term contract as his family not moving back. There is only one person to blame for the current situation it’s CC for screwing us over so late in the day, he was fully aware of budgets and players leaving even before the playoff final (if we didn’t go up). I do think DS needs some help but will he accept it and will it be offered to him. Sorry but your post is confusing me….you say he is not going anywhere because DH thinks he is the right man… you then say nobody else is available who they trust as much at this time. So how do they know that if they where not looking at a different option. That sounds like carry on Schofield because at the minute we can’t find a suitable replacement for you! So you know DW won’t come either, so again has he been sounded out for the club to know that info? All seems a strange way to give DS confidence in his position. Town and any club are always looking who is available at every point in case something happens like your manager walking out 2 weeks before start of the season. We were looking before Carlos left as at a time we didn’t think DS was an option because he was very close to leaving for another club, the same people are available now in the most as were then not a lot has changed. DW / DH had a brief discussion during last season, in case CC left at the time we thought he would go to Leeds if relegated and we didn’t get promoted so we needed to know options. Unfortunately this is how it is known DW won’t be back as manager without a massive change of heart from his family. Oh and Sean Dyche was not on any list as a realistic option, we won’t be paying a manager significantly more than our players, and he wants a Prem job. For now it’s DS and we should get back behind the team and manager the support can really help pull us out of the bad run. |
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Post by space hardware on Sept 5, 2022 23:24:22 GMT 1
Sorry but your post is confusing me….you say he is not going anywhere because DH thinks he is the right man… you then say nobody else is available who they trust as much at this time. So how do they know that if they where not looking at a different option. That sounds like carry on Schofield because at the minute we can’t find a suitable replacement for you! So you know DW won’t come either, so again has he been sounded out for the club to know that info? All seems a strange way to give DS confidence in his position. Town and any club are always looking who is available at every point in case something happens like your manager walking out 2 weeks before start of the season. We were looking before Carlos left as at a time we didn’t think DS was an option because he was very close to leaving for another club, the same people are available now in the most as were then not a lot has changed. DW / DH had a brief discussion during last season, in case CC left at the time we thought he would go to Leeds if relegated and we didn’t get promoted so we needed to know options. Unfortunately this is how it is known DW won’t be back as manager without a massive change of heart from his family. Oh and Sean Dyche was not on any list as a realistic option, we won’t be paying a manager significantly more than our players, and he wants a Prem job. For now it’s DS and we should get back behind the team and manager the support can really help pull us out of the bad run. Having a coach/manager who sets the team up in the right way would be far more effective at pulling the club out of the shit than blind support from the stands. I mean, really, are you putting this on the fans? Fucking hell. |
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Post by townrwe on Sept 5, 2022 23:26:09 GMT 1
DS is not going anywhere at the moment a few results in the next 3 and our season can really start, the new players will improve the starting 11 hopefully enough to pick up a few scrappy wins and then as we have seen before the believe and confidence will come flowing back. DS not going as DH and LB believe he is the right man for the job, also there is nobody else available or able to come that they have more trust in, DW we all no would give us a boost right now and the only way that could work, if he came as some form of consultant/ coach’s coach on a temporary basis to try and help DS learn quicker in some areas, something as a club we thought we had a few seasons before he needed to be ready. It’s the only way DW would come back to the club as a part time / short term contract as his family not moving back. There is only one person to blame for the current situation it’s CC for screwing us over so late in the day, he was fully aware of budgets and players leaving even before the playoff final (if we didn’t go up). I do think DS needs some help but will he accept it and will it be offered to him. Sounds like a dreaded vote of confidence, He will be gone shortly. He killed himself on radio Leeds with his post match interview. Its Boris Johnsone clinging on stuff without the personality, players will down tools ultimately and force a decision, they stopped running on Saturday. |
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Post by boooothy on Sept 5, 2022 23:32:52 GMT 1
Think it all rest on the 3 players coming into the team Helik, Mbete and the injury prone guy in midfield.
I’m hoping they transform the defence and let Tino, Thomas and Rudoni go play in the other half.
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Post by Melc on Sept 6, 2022 0:30:57 GMT 1
Sorry but your post is confusing me….you say he is not going anywhere because DH thinks he is the right man… you then say nobody else is available who they trust as much at this time. So how do they know that if they where not looking at a different option. That sounds like carry on Schofield because at the minute we can’t find a suitable replacement for you! So you know DW won’t come either, so again has he been sounded out for the club to know that info? All seems a strange way to give DS confidence in his position. Town and any club are always looking who is available at every point in case something happens like your manager walking out 2 weeks before start of the season. We were looking before Carlos left as at a time we didn’t think DS was an option because he was very close to leaving for another club, the same people are available now in the most as were then not a lot has changed. DW / DH had a brief discussion during last season, in case CC left at the time we thought he would go to Leeds if relegated and we didn’t get promoted so we needed to know options. Unfortunately this is how it is known DW won’t be back as manager without a massive change of heart from his family. Oh and Sean Dyche was not on any list as a realistic option, we won’t be paying a manager significantly more than our players, and he wants a Prem job. For now it’s DS and we should get back behind the team and manager the support can really help pull us out of the bad run. Thank you for the reply, we are all concerned with our clubs position at the minute and all have different views. |
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Post by willo on Sept 6, 2022 1:08:43 GMT 1
Some say he's a left back. Some say he's a left sided centre back. Some say he can play either role. You can agree or disagree with each of those groups but he's effectively being asked to replace Toffolo and Colwill on his own. One or the other. He has had to try and replace both until new signings came in. GK Nicholls RCB Pearson CCB Helik LCB Mbete RWB Sorba LWB Naka CM Kasumu CM Hogg CM Rudoni AM TA CF Ward Subs from, Holmes, lees, ruffles, Turton, Rhodes, KH, jones, Mahoney, Simpson, Russell, Rowe, Boyle Team above is on paper as strong as last season maybe lacking a little in midfield but how do you replace LOB really. Good post and I agree with pretty much all of it, much the same as your immediately previous one. It’s all on DS for me, I’d prefer (if Danny was ok with it) he reverted back to his previous role and we got someone else in although I can see sense in simply appointing someone with the relevant experience to guide him, least through the early stages of his managerial career. QPR up next, genuinely cannot see anything other than a defeat there, followed by 2 potentially winnable home games. I’d say anything less than 4 points from the next 3 and something simply has to change and even that might not be enough. |
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Post by Will on Sept 6, 2022 2:15:39 GMT 1
Move him on. We are an easy 3 points for anyone who wants to put some bottle into a game. Who the fuck wants to support a team that just rolls over. Fucking shameful appointment. Sod the nice bloke thing, you can do that in the B team. Players need some structure and motivation and game plan. It’s fucking obvious. Grrrr.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Sept 6, 2022 2:46:01 GMT 1
Worse than that, several times yesterday he stood behind a Blackpool player when Hogg was in possession, offering no angle for a pass. Yes, I noticed that too. It caused major problems for us when we tried to play out from the back. Russell should be providing that link between the defense and the attacking players further up the pitch, yet he was constantly positioned behind a Blackpool player, almost as if he was hiding from the ball. And when he did receive the ball, he invariably passed it backwards. This isn't a problem if he passes and moves into a position to receive a return. But he didn't. He passed it back and stood still. He's often slow in what he does, but his lack of mobility is his major weakness. It's very frustrating , because the lad has technical ability - far more than many of his team mates. His role is pivotal to us moving the ball up the pitch. His lack of mobility affects our ability to pass through the thirds effectively. It's a big reason why we look so slow and disjointed when we try to move the ball forward. And, from a defensive point of view, his lack of mobility means he offers little to protect the defence. Top post. Russel is a real problem. He slows us down, he hides from the ball, he doesn't press. Looks for the back pass all the time. The number of times he passes the ball straight back to the player who gave it him drives me mad. Thing is, this is what is making me lose faith in DS because he continues to pick him. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2022 6:43:15 GMT 1
Town and any club are always looking who is available at every point in case something happens like your manager walking out 2 weeks before start of the season. We were looking before Carlos left as at a time we didn’t think DS was an option because he was very close to leaving for another club, the same people are available now in the most as were then not a lot has changed. DW / DH had a brief discussion during last season, in case CC left at the time we thought he would go to Leeds if relegated and we didn’t get promoted so we needed to know options. Unfortunately this is how it is known DW won’t be back as manager without a massive change of heart from his family. Oh and Sean Dyche was not on any list as a realistic option, we won’t be paying a manager significantly more than our players, and he wants a Prem job. For now it’s DS and we should get back behind the team and manager the support can really help pull us out of the bad run. Having a coach/manager who sets the team up in the right way would be far more effective at pulling the club out of the shit than blind support from the stands. I mean, really, are you putting this on the fans? Fucking hell. No “putting it on the fans” just suggesting it would be a great time to back the team and the manager as loud and as passionate as we can to try and help them turn it around. By the way at no point have I said I think we shouldn’t be making a change, just that currently we won’t be doing. |
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 6, 2022 6:54:48 GMT 1
Town and any club are always looking who is available at every point in case something happens like your manager walking out 2 weeks before start of the season. We were looking before Carlos left as at a time we didn’t think DS was an option because he was very close to leaving for another club, the same people are available now in the most as were then not a lot has changed. DW / DH had a brief discussion during last season, in case CC left at the time we thought he would go to Leeds if relegated and we didn’t get promoted so we needed to know options. Unfortunately this is how it is known DW won’t be back as manager without a massive change of heart from his family. Oh and Sean Dyche was not on any list as a realistic option, we won’t be paying a manager significantly more than our players, and he wants a Prem job. For now it’s DS and we should get back behind the team and manager the support can really help pull us out of the bad run. Having a coach/manager who sets the team up in the right way would be far more effective at pulling the club out of the shit than blind support from the stands. I mean, really, are you putting this on the fans? Fucking hell. TBF, as fans what else can we do? And I'm inclined to agree with those who put it on the fans. "Is this a library" and "your support is fucking shit" coming from the Blackpool end all game. And yes, things are a bit shit at the moment. You can make the excuse that we would be a lot more noisy if we were doing well, but at Wembley you could hear a pin drop amongst our fans. We were noisy as hell in the promotion season, and again in the prem. We can do it. And if we did, it would help. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2022 7:21:34 GMT 1
Sorry but your post is confusing me….you say he is not going anywhere because DH thinks he is the right man… you then say nobody else is available who they trust as much at this time. So how do they know that if they where not looking at a different option. That sounds like carry on Schofield because at the minute we can’t find a suitable replacement for you! So you know DW won’t come either, so again has he been sounded out for the club to know that info? All seems a strange way to give DS confidence in his position. Town and any club are always looking who is available at every point in case something happens like your manager walking out 2 weeks before start of the season. We were looking before Carlos left as at a time we didn’t think DS was an option because he was very close to leaving for another club, the same people are available now in the most as were then not a lot has changed. DW / DH had a brief discussion during last season, in case CC left at the time we thought he would go to Leeds if relegated and we didn’t get promoted so we needed to know options. Unfortunately this is how it is known DW won’t be back as manager without a massive change of heart from his family. Oh and Sean Dyche was not on any list as a realistic option, we won’t be paying a manager significantly more than our players, and he wants a Prem job. For now it’s DS and we should get back behind the team and manager the support can really help pull us out of the bad run. DS has saturday to turn it round. Otherwise he’s gone. The players have admitted they had no idea what they were supposed to be doing on Sunday for last 10 minutes. Not a clue, no direction given. Knowing footballers, they will throw in another stinker so the decision is made. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Sept 6, 2022 7:47:16 GMT 1
A decent Man, struggling in an environment where sentiment is not the order of the day. Sack him?, hell no. Bring an experienced head in to help him or allocate him another coaching role at the Club (possibly first Team). Absolutely yes. Promoted beyond his capability, what was he supposed to do, turn it down?. Danny, it isn't working but for goodness sake don't look at the crude, crass OP poll of 'sack him or not'. You deserve more respect than that. Any decent Human being does. Well said Morley. That's close to where I'm at too. 90% of the poll would disagree. |
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Post by ldr on Sept 6, 2022 7:58:02 GMT 1
Well said Morley. That's close to where I'm at too. 90% of the poll would disagree. You are wrong imo. I would say that the majority of fans want him removing from the head coach role and retained as a coach. Morley is correct; there is a massive human angle here. |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Sept 6, 2022 8:17:55 GMT 1
Town and any club are always looking who is available at every point in case something happens like your manager walking out 2 weeks before start of the season. We were looking before Carlos left as at a time we didn’t think DS was an option because he was very close to leaving for another club, the same people are available now in the most as were then not a lot has changed. DW / DH had a brief discussion during last season, in case CC left at the time we thought he would go to Leeds if relegated and we didn’t get promoted so we needed to know options. Unfortunately this is how it is known DW won’t be back as manager without a massive change of heart from his family. Oh and Sean Dyche was not on any list as a realistic option, we won’t be paying a manager significantly more than our players, and he wants a Prem job. For now it’s DS and we should get back behind the team and manager the support can really help pull us out of the bad run. DS has saturday to turn it round. Otherwise he’s gone. The players have admitted they had no idea what they were supposed to be doing on Sunday for last 10 minutes. Not a clue, no direction given. Knowing footballers, they will throw in another stinker so the decision is made. I thought the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. He’s done, 90% of our fans on here know it, the players know it, not sure how the boardroom doesn’t. |
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Post by townrwe on Sept 6, 2022 8:41:21 GMT 1
I'm genuinely not sure what we are holding on for? An Alex ferguson moment? That just isn't coming. You always felt Carlos could do well, even when results went against us. Danny will never lead us to success, if we stick with him, it's a nailed on relegation battle which im pretty sure we won't win.
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Post by runner76 on Sept 6, 2022 8:41:47 GMT 1
90% of the poll would disagree. You are wrong imo. I would say that the majority of fans want him removing from the head coach role and retained as a coach. Morley is correct; there is a massive human angle here. …which would have been far easier to do had he - as he should have been - made caretaker manager… |
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Post by daltonterrier44 on Sept 6, 2022 8:48:41 GMT 1
What’s the need in keeping him as a coach like he’s some sort of unpolished gem? Every decision he’s made so far is so badly wrong I can’t see any form of manager in him so how does it benefit the club keeping him? 90% of the poll would disagree. You are wrong imo. I would say that the majority of fans want him removing from the head coach role and retained as a coach. Morley is correct; there is a massive human angle here. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Sept 6, 2022 9:00:49 GMT 1
90% of the poll would disagree. You are wrong imo. I would say that the majority of fans want him removing from the head coach role and retained as a coach. Morley is correct; there is a massive human angle here. Yes there is. However, this has been one almighty cock up. He should have been an interim manager. Hoyle and Bromby are the ones to blame. |
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Post by benhomly on Sept 6, 2022 9:19:55 GMT 1
You are wrong imo. I would say that the majority of fans want him removing from the head coach role and retained as a coach. Morley is correct; there is a massive human angle here. …which would have been far easier to do had he - as he should have been - made caretaker manager… Exactly. Everyone else does it but no, only Town go blindly in and appoint like this. It would have been so easy to give him the role on a caretaker basis, see how it went and make a decision after a few games, couple of months etc. We have made so many basic mistakes in the Hoyle era without learning from them it's laughable. Now what's it going to cost us this time? 1/2 mill if we do the right thing and remove him? Or millions if we stubbornly stick to our decision and end up in L1. |
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Post by dugnet on Sept 6, 2022 9:29:35 GMT 1
There are those supporting DS who seem to be doing so on him purely being a "good bloke" (which he almost certainly is) but the issue is this:
Is he a good head coach?
Yes it is early days but I am not seeing a coherent shape. I am also not seeing a team with confidence in what they are being asked to do, or more pressingly, in each other.
As I posted elsewhere, he may be able to run a great coaching session but that doesn't make him a great tactician and it certainly doesn't show him to be a good leader.
He has to improve very quickly or a decision will have to be taken.
What we have already been left with is a season of struggle when we were told, by DH, that top 6 was the aim. Our target has to be to stay in this league and re-evaluate from there. This on the back of nearly being in the Premier League is very poor. CC may have left his decision late but the fact he had to make that choice is the real issue.
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Post by King Curtis on Sept 6, 2022 9:42:58 GMT 1
Well said Morley. That's close to where I'm at too. 90% of the poll would disagree. 90% of your clumsily written poll you mean? Both voting options are absolute extremities with no room for any balance or nuance in-between. So there's no voting option for the likes of Morley, myself and plenty of others whose opinion is actually something along the lines of "We don't think Danny Schofield should be the Head Coach of Huddersfield Town but it would be unfair to sack him from the club". Likewise - there's no voting option for a number of posters on here who've expressed concern about Danny Schofield as manager but would like to see him given a couple more games. Can't believe I just wasted my time explaining this to you. |
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Post by Uddersfield on Sept 6, 2022 9:49:08 GMT 1
Quote from DS about players playing out of position - “I think the performance told you it did work. Like I say the final actions weren’t there to put the ball in the back of net but we believe we’ve got players who are very adaptable and can play a number of positions. I think that’s part of our recruitment process as well, so when the players play different positions I think they perform.”
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Post by Sio on Sept 6, 2022 9:52:58 GMT 1
There are those supporting DS who seem to be doing so on him purely being a "good bloke" (which he almost certainly is) but the issue is this: Is he a good head coach? Yes it is early days but I am not seeing a coherent shape. I am also not seeing a team with confidence in what they are being asked to do, or more pressingly, in each other. As I posted elsewhere, he may be able to run a great coaching session but that doesn't make him a great tactician and it certainly doesn't show him to be a good leader. He has to improve very quickly or a decision will have to be taken. What we have already been left with is a season of struggle when we were told, by DH, that top 6 was the aim. Our target has to be to stay in this league and re-evaluate from there. This on the back of nearly being in the Premier League is very poor. CC may have left his decision late but the fact he had to make that choice is the real issue. /purely being Hoyle's appointment |
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Post by Melc on Sept 6, 2022 9:55:23 GMT 1
There are those supporting DS who seem to be doing so on him purely being a "good bloke" (which he almost certainly is) but the issue is this: Is he a good head coach? Yes it is early days but I am not seeing a coherent shape. I am also not seeing a team with confidence in what they are being asked to do, or more pressingly, in each other. As I posted elsewhere, he may be able to run a great coaching session but that doesn't make him a great tactician and it certainly doesn't show him to be a good leader. He has to improve very quickly or a decision will have to be taken. What we have already been left with is a season of struggle when we were told, by DH, that top 6 was the aim. Our target has to be to stay in this league and re-evaluate from there. This on the back of nearly being in the Premier League is very poor. CC may have left his decision late but the fact he had to make that choice is the real issue. Rumours were circulating three weeks before CC left the club, that he was going. Hoyle and his puppet Bromby don’t want to lose face and take any action because they have fucked up! I thought PH made some poor decisions, but these two are something else. Schofield stating in the examiner that playing players out of position is not a problem, Really. He simply has to go before it is to late. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 6, 2022 10:15:54 GMT 1
Speaking of sackings, whoever is in charge of these fucking appalling graphics that keep getting put out needed sacking months ago. The latest one for the 'quid a kid' promo v Cardiff looks like it was done by a 10yr old for a school disco.
Just sums up perfectly the amateurish, poundland attitude that runs from top to bottom of this club.
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Post by townrwe on Sept 6, 2022 10:16:09 GMT 1
What I don't get.... is we always have a sucession plan in place apparently..... yet even Bromby said it was too early for Danny when he was appointed, so where was the sucession plan that wasn't too early for Danny? If we thought Carlos would stay another 12 months or 2 years, why wasn't someone bought in to cover the next year or two as was the plan?
Jan Seiwert mark 2.... and all the fans know it.
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Post by dugnet on Sept 6, 2022 10:16:36 GMT 1
There are those supporting DS who seem to be doing so on him purely being a "good bloke" (which he almost certainly is) but the issue is this: Is he a good head coach? Yes it is early days but I am not seeing a coherent shape. I am also not seeing a team with confidence in what they are being asked to do, or more pressingly, in each other. As I posted elsewhere, he may be able to run a great coaching session but that doesn't make him a great tactician and it certainly doesn't show him to be a good leader. He has to improve very quickly or a decision will have to be taken. What we have already been left with is a season of struggle when we were told, by DH, that top 6 was the aim. Our target has to be to stay in this league and re-evaluate from there. This on the back of nearly being in the Premier League is very poor. CC may have left his decision late but the fact he had to make that choice is the real issue. /purely being Hoyle's appointment It's a fair observation but we need to get real about DH. He's done loads for Town, way more than any individual in my years (40+) supporting Town, but he makes mistakes. Those mistakes are open to be challenged. That doesn't mean abuse, that means "what is the plan?", "where are Town heading", "could we do things differently"? To be honest those questions are endless, and reasonable. The DS situation cannot be allowed to continue to a position of no return i.e. we can't recover and get relegated. Sure it is only 7 games (and an absolute horror show against PNE in the League Cup) but I am not seeing enough to give me confidence. Stubbornly sticking with DS is the worst case scenario and would further drive the wedge between DH and the fans. I really need to see a significant improvement very quickly and to be frank I think I have already seen enough (to know this won't work). Some may say CC had his critics, and I was definitely one, but he got off to a decent start and that saved him from the sack, that and Covid. DS has not got off to a good start and a significant number of fans are watching and bought season tickets on the back of hoping for progression (on last season). Make no mistake, and people can argue with me, this is going downhill very quickly and if we fail to address this soon it could be terminable (for this season). DH needs to decide if he wants the club to be best it can be, as he once did, or that it is just a commitment he wants to reduce his financial commitment to. If it is the latter it's time to move on and pass the reins to someone else. Leaving us in League One again would be the ultimate negative footnote to his time as owner. When people look back, as they do when assessing he loss of Shankly, the inability to support Greaves/Buxton, let Warnock leave and sell Marcus Stewart, they will say "the club had an opportunity to cement itself as 2nd tier club with a chance to be better, but poor decisions and a loss of commitment saw the opportunity lost". Does DH really want that legacy? Only he can answer that. |
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Post by dugnet on Sept 6, 2022 10:18:22 GMT 1
What I don't get.... is we always have a sucession plan in place apparently..... yet even Bromby said it was too early for Danny when he was appointed, so where was the sucession plan that wasn't too early for Danny? If we thought Carlos would stay another 12 months or 2 years, why wasn't someone bought in to cover the next year or two as was the plan? Jan Seiwert mark 2.... and all the fans know it. I can buy he can get tactically better with experience but if you aren't a leader and manager of people then you are unlikely to ever be one. The Siewert comparison is well made. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Sept 6, 2022 10:25:33 GMT 1
Speaking of sackings, whoever is in charge of these fucking appalling graphics that keep getting put out needed sacking months ago. The latest one for the 'quid a kid' promo v Cardiff looks like it was done by a 10yr old for a school disco. Just sums up perfectly the amateurish, poundland attitude that runs from top to bottom of this club. Pay peanuts, get monkeys. |
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