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Post by space hardware on Sept 6, 2022 10:26:15 GMT 1
Quote from DS about players playing out of position - “ I think the performance told you it did work. Like I say the final actions weren’t there to put the ball in the back of net but we believe we’ve got players who are very adaptable and can play a number of positions. I think that’s part of our recruitment process as well, so when the players play different positions I think they perform.” The bit in bold is the most worrying part of that word salad. |
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Post by townrwe on Sept 6, 2022 10:28:28 GMT 1
What I don't get.... is we always have a sucession plan in place apparently..... yet even Bromby said it was too early for Danny when he was appointed, so where was the sucession plan that wasn't too early for Danny? If we thought Carlos would stay another 12 months or 2 years, why wasn't someone bought in to cover the next year or two as was the plan? Jan Seiwert mark 2.... and all the fans know it. I can buy he can get tactically better with experience but if you aren't a leader and manager of people then you are unlikely to ever be one. The Siewert comparison is well made. In a nutshell, leaders are born, not made. Lizz Truss will have similar problems, she may be clever and good at her job, but she will never lead a government with any proper authority. |
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Post by mosher on Sept 6, 2022 10:30:53 GMT 1
When people look back, as they do when assessing he loss of Shankly, the inability to support Greaves/Buxton, let Warnock leave and sell Marcus Stewart, they will say "the club had an opportunity to cement itself as 2nd tier club with a chance to be better, but poor decisions and a loss of commitment saw the opportunity lost". Does DH really want that legacy? Only he can answer that. This. Surely his ego (which seems to be pretty big) won't allow his legacy to be completely tarnished? The big ego bit isn't a dig, just seems whenever something good/positive came about he was at the forefront claiming responsibility. I just wish he'd take responsibility for his fuck-ups too, which he appears incapable of. Personally I don't give a shit if his ego is massive, if he loves blowing his own trumpet or whatever, I'm hoping once the ownership is properly sorted he morphs back into pre-PL DH. And once he's sorted out ownership, hopefully that will help with the stadium ownership, training ground upgrades, etc that seem to be postponed or left by the roadside altogether. |
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Post by Uddersfield on Sept 6, 2022 10:33:21 GMT 1
Quote from DS about players playing out of position - “ I think the performance told you it did work. Like I say the final actions weren’t there to put the ball in the back of net but we believe we’ve got players who are very adaptable and can play a number of positions. I think that’s part of our recruitment process as well, so when the players play different positions I think they perform.” The bit in bold is the most worrying part of that word salad. As well as "so when the players play different positions I think they perform." |
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Post by benhomly on Sept 6, 2022 10:36:25 GMT 1
The bit in bold is the most worrying part of that word salad. As well as "so when the players play different positions I think they perform." With the exception of Turton who, along with Rudoni, were our best players on Sunday. You're right in general though. |
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Post by Melc on Sept 6, 2022 10:48:49 GMT 1
What I don't get.... is we always have a sucession plan in place apparently..... yet even Bromby said it was too early for Danny when he was appointed, so where was the sucession plan that wasn't too early for Danny? If we thought Carlos would stay another 12 months or 2 years, why wasn't someone bought in to cover the next year or two as was the plan? Jan Seiwert mark 2.... and all the fans know it. You make a good point, to be honest I don’t believe a word that comes out if this club anymore. Just like Bromby’s interview a while back stating he expected a top 6 finish last season. Like to know what he is expecting this time round. I bet no other club would finish third, then lose in the playoff final and not plan to go one better the next season. We had more ambition in league one, with a proper Director of football. |
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Post by dugnet on Sept 6, 2022 10:54:33 GMT 1
What I don't get.... is we always have a sucession plan in place apparently..... yet even Bromby said it was too early for Danny when he was appointed, so where was the sucession plan that wasn't too early for Danny? If we thought Carlos would stay another 12 months or 2 years, why wasn't someone bought in to cover the next year or two as was the plan? Jan Seiwert mark 2.... and all the fans know it. You make a good point, to be honest I don’t believe a word that comes out if this club anymore. Just like Bromby’s interview a while back stating he expected a top 6 finish last season. Like to know what he is expecting this time round. I bet no other club would finish third, then lose in the playoff final and not plan to go one better the next season. We had more ambition in league one, with a proper Director of football. Is LB towing a line or the master of his own destiny? The reputation he established last season could very easily be trashed in a few weeks of poor decisions, or standing behind the decisions he has been told to make. |
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Post by dugnet on Sept 6, 2022 10:55:50 GMT 1
Let me just say this:
I have been very critical in the past couple of days but I have been wrong many times before e.g. CC being a very good example. I would be delighted to be proved wrong in the coming weeks and be able to say so on here.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 6, 2022 10:58:51 GMT 1
You think Rudoni is too peripheral? I think he's involved in everything, constantly demanding the ball. Not as strong at LOB but better technically and has the same great engine to get up and down the pitch. I like LOB but to me he was only our 4th best player last season after Nicholls, lees and Sorba. Ive not seen every game he's played but in the ones I have Rudoni has been our best player or very close to it. And its only fair to point out LOB was playing amongst players who were bang on form last season. Rudoni is playing alongside players like Russell and Tino who barely move never mind rarely do anything with the ball when they have it. Capn I can’t quite get my head around your take on LOB. 4th best player last year!? You’ve got to be kidding me. He had a Mooy-esque effect on our team. That is to say, without Mooy or LOB we would have ended up NOWHERE NEAR 3rd. He was imo in the top 3 players in the football league. To compare him in anyway to Rudoni I think is way way off…he is streets ahead, technically and otherwise. Well its opinions isn't it. Like I say, for me those 3 were better than LOB in our side last season .. more important to how we played and consistently rating better in games. So clearly im not with you that he was in the best 3 in the entire FL.!Thats an huge over-exaggeration IMO. Im not decrying LOB at all because he was a key player for us and I rated him highly,, but whilst some parts of his game were good.. better than good... breaking forward with the ball being the main thing.. other parts were decidedly average at best. In terms of technical skills.. control, passing, speed of thought, I dont think he was at the level Rudoni is showing already, at a much younger age. Its why so many times he would break forward well but then run into a dead end or play a loose pass, because it truth there was not a lot of end product with Obrien despite getting into great positions often. I actually thought he was consistently better the season before or perhaps stood out more in a struggling side. |
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Post by canterburyterrier on Sept 6, 2022 11:12:24 GMT 1
What I don't get.... is we always have a sucession plan in place apparently..... yet even Bromby said it was too early for Danny when he was appointed, so where was the sucession plan that wasn't too early for Danny? If we thought Carlos would stay another 12 months or 2 years, why wasn't someone bought in to cover the next year or two as was the plan? Jan Seiwert mark 2.... and all the fans know it. You make a good point, to be honest I don’t believe a word that comes out if this club anymore. Just like Bromby’s interview a while back stating he expected a top 6 finish last season. Like to know what he is expecting this time round. I bet no other club would finish third, then lose in the playoff final and not plan to go one better the next season.We had more ambition in league one, with a proper Director of football. Barnsley finished fifth the previous season and were relegated last season - - not always an easy season after a promotion push - some clubs have owners who can afford/willing to put in more money others don't. |
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Post by goodbet on Sept 6, 2022 11:17:00 GMT 1
Capn I can’t quite get my head around your take on LOB. 4th best player last year!? You’ve got to be kidding me. He had a Mooy-esque effect on our team. That is to say, without Mooy or LOB we would have ended up NOWHERE NEAR 3rd. He was imo in the top 3 players in the football league. To compare him in anyway to Rudoni I think is way way off…he is streets ahead, technically and otherwise. Well its opinions isn't it. Like I say, for me those 3 were better than LOB in our side last season .. more important to how we played and consistently rating better in games. So clearly im not with you that he was in the best 3 in the entire FL.!Thats an huge over-exaggeration IMO. Im not decrying LOB at all because he was a key player for us and I rated him highly,, but whilst some parts of his game were good.. better than good... breaking forward with the ball being the main thing.. other parts were decidedly average at best. In terms of technical skills.. control, passing, speed of thought, I dont think he was at the level Rudoni is showing already, at a much younger age. Its why so many times he would break forward well but then run into a dead end or play a loose pass, because it truth there was not a lot of end product with Obrien despite getting into great positions often. I actually thought he was consistently better the season before or perhaps stood out more in a struggling side. So why have we gone backwards so much and not improved? |
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Post by sonny on Sept 6, 2022 11:17:49 GMT 1
Quote from DS about players playing out of position - “I think the performance told you it did work. Like I say the final actions weren’t there to put the ball in the back of net but we believe we’ve got players who are very adaptable and can play a number of positions. I think that’s part of our recruitment process as well, so when the players play different positions I think they perform.” It really does not get more delusional than this. This and Boris Johnson reeling off his achievements is too much for one week. |
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Post by goodbet on Sept 6, 2022 11:20:38 GMT 1
You make a good point, to be honest I don’t believe a word that comes out if this club anymore. Just like Bromby’s interview a while back stating he expected a top 6 finish last season. Like to know what he is expecting this time round. I bet no other club would finish third, then lose in the playoff final and not plan to go one better the next season.We had more ambition in league one, with a proper Director of football. Barnsley finished fifth the previous season and were relegated last season - - not always an easy season after a promotion push - some clubs have owners who can afford/willing to put in more money others don't. We have followed the Barnsley model not the Brentford one. I posted Barnsley's transfers on another thread and they did like we have done sold off their better players and brought in new faces on a lower budget. We can see how that works out. |
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Sept 6, 2022 11:22:26 GMT 1
You make a good point, to be honest I don’t believe a word that comes out if this club anymore. Just like Bromby’s interview a while back stating he expected a top 6 finish last season. Like to know what he is expecting this time round. I bet no other club would finish third, then lose in the playoff final and not plan to go one better the next season.We had more ambition in league one, with a proper Director of football. Barnsley finished fifth the previous season and were relegated last season - - not always an easy season after a promotion push - some clubs have owners who can afford/willing to put in more money others don't. We might have finished 3rd but we never looked like a top 3 side did we ? The football was shite to be fair |
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Post by stanton1969 on Sept 6, 2022 11:26:54 GMT 1
The comments about the players being played out of position.....utter nonsense IMHO. Who knows.....maybe if players had played in their correct positions we may have romped home with a 3 nil win. As it is, we didn't. And never looked like doing so.
Sorry, but his comments just compound everything.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 6, 2022 11:32:34 GMT 1
Well its opinions isn't it. Like I say, for me those 3 were better than LOB in our side last season .. more important to how we played and consistently rating better in games. So clearly im not with you that he was in the best 3 in the entire FL.!Thats an huge over-exaggeration IMO. Im not decrying LOB at all because he was a key player for us and I rated him highly,, but whilst some parts of his game were good.. better than good... breaking forward with the ball being the main thing.. other parts were decidedly average at best. In terms of technical skills.. control, passing, speed of thought, I dont think he was at the level Rudoni is showing already, at a much younger age. Its why so many times he would break forward well but then run into a dead end or play a loose pass, because it truth there was not a lot of end product with Obrien despite getting into great positions often. I actually thought he was consistently better the season before or perhaps stood out more in a struggling side. So why have we gone backwards so much and not improved? Because so many players are clearly way off form. Lees has looked dodgy, even Nichols is making errors he wasnt making last season. Thomas looks like a non league player in every way accept set piece delivery. Russell has turned into an immobile tree. Ward can't hold the ball up any more. Hogg is making basic errors. I dont think any of them are at the level they were last season.. Turton is probably the closest. Unexpected change of manager?.. mental scarring from the pain of Wembley?... bit of both probably but they need to get over it and move on. |
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Post by ritchie on Sept 6, 2022 11:36:41 GMT 1
You are wrong imo. I would say that the majority of fans want him removing from the head coach role and retained as a coach. Morley is correct; there is a massive human angle here. …which would have been far easier to do had he - as he should have been - made caretaker manager… I really dont understand why this wasnt the case. He could have been given time to win the job but with a perfect get out for him and the club. Now i only see them sacking him and he will leave the club.. |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Sept 6, 2022 11:44:04 GMT 1
…which would have been far easier to do had he - as he should have been - made caretaker manager… I really dont understand why this wasnt the case. He could have been given time to win the job but with a perfect get out for him and the club. Now i only see them sacking him and he will leave the club.. I never understood why we gave him the job when he made it clear he wanted off to Europe. Big Phil would have bombed him out. |
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Post by goodbet on Sept 6, 2022 11:46:45 GMT 1
So why have we gone backwards so much and not improved? Because so many players are clearly way off form. Lees has looked dodgy, even Nichols is making errors he wasnt making last season. Thomas looks like a non league player in every way accept set piece delivery. Russell has turned into an immobile tree. Ward can't hold the ball up any more. Hogg is making basic errors. I dont think any of them are at the level they were last season.. Turton is probably the closest. Unexpected change of manager?.. mental scarring from the pain of Wembley?... bit of both probably but they need to get over it and move on. It could be that we are picking out of form players. Playing players out of position, employing the wrong tactics or is that no tactics. Then we have the use of substitutions. The whole club needs a lift pdq and the window has closed, so it may have to be a scapegoat and a new coach appointed as they show very little sign of getting over it. The longer it is left the bigger the job someone else will have to do. |
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Post by irverino on Sept 6, 2022 11:54:39 GMT 1
When people look back, as they do when assessing he loss of Shankly, the inability to support Greaves/Buxton, let Warnock leave and sell Marcus Stewart, they will say "the club had an opportunity to cement itself as 2nd tier club with a chance to be better, but poor decisions and a loss of commitment saw the opportunity lost". Does DH really want that legacy? Only he can answer that. This. Surely his ego (which seems to be pretty big) won't allow his legacy to be completely tarnished? The big ego bit isn't a dig, just seems whenever something good/positive came about he was at the forefront claiming responsibility. I just wish he'd take responsibility for his fuck-ups too, which he appears incapable of. Personally I don't give a shit if his ego is massive, if he loves blowing his own trumpet or whatever, I'm hoping once the ownership is properly sorted he morphs back into pre-PL DH. And once he's sorted out ownership, hopefully that will help with the stadium ownership, training ground upgrades, etc that seem to be postponed or left by the roadside altogether. I once asked Dean years ago (about when KD took over) if he would ever consider getting involved at Town financially, his reply was 'would you'? It kind of stopped me dead in my tracks for a moment or two before I replied 'If I had shitloads of cash to burn'. Dean Hoyle does not want to see Town back in League One, not in a million years, he will keep us up, how much will it cost?........maybe shitloads! |
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 6, 2022 11:54:44 GMT 1
I don't see Schofield going anytime soon as I can't see anyone else in line at the club if the plan is to promote from within. If that plan has changed they may well be scoping managers as we speak. Who would be the caretaker manager if Schofield did leave?
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Post by ritchie on Sept 6, 2022 12:03:06 GMT 1
I don't see Schofield going anytime soon as I can't see anyone else in line at the club if the plan is to promote from within. If that plan has changed they may well be scoping managers as we speak. Who would be the caretaker manager if Schofield did leave? We will 100% be scoping out managers as we speak; its a case of how long he gets imo. Plenty of better candidates out there who would fancy this squad, and how pulling us out of relegation would look good on them. |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 6, 2022 12:19:01 GMT 1
You think Rudoni is too peripheral? I think he's involved in everything, constantly demanding the ball. Not as strong at LOB but better technically and has the same great engine to get up and down the pitch. I like LOB but to me he was only our 4th best player last season after Nicholls, lees and Sorba. Ive not seen every game he's played but in the ones I have Rudoni has been our best player or very close to it. And its only fair to point out LOB was playing amongst players who were bang on form last season. Rudoni is playing alongside players like Russell and Tino who barely move never mind rarely do anything with the ball when they have it. Capn I can’t quite get my head around your take on LOB. 4th best player last year!? You’ve got to be kidding me. He had a Mooy-esque effect on our team. That is to say, without Mooy or LOB we would have ended up NOWHERE NEAR 3rd. He was imo in the top 3 players in the football league. To compare him in anyway to Rudoni I think is way way off…he is streets ahead, technically and otherwise. Rudoni is miles better than O'Brien technically, he can use both feet and pass for a start. He's also a no 10 that's having to play as an 8 til Kasumu gets fit. Hopefully we can then have Kasumu and Camara with Rudoni in front of them |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 6, 2022 12:20:44 GMT 1
We're already 4 points adrift after only 7 games. How far adrift do we need to be before DH takes his stubborn hat off, hold his hands up & admit he made a big mistake in appointing DS?
I really hope Danny can turn this around because, as a player, I loved watching him in a town shirt. But I just can’t see where the next win will come from, never mind going on an undefeated run to get us out of this mess.
At this rate we'll be heading into the world cup break atleased 10 points adrift. It's too much to expect a rookie coach to turn this around.
Tbf, he was never going to turn the job down, but he should never have been given it in the first place.
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 6, 2022 12:21:46 GMT 1
DS is not going anywhere at the moment a few results in the next 3 and our season can really start, the new players will improve the starting 11 hopefully enough to pick up a few scrappy wins and then as we have seen before the believe and confidence will come flowing back. DS not going as DH and LB believe he is the right man for the job, also there is nobody else available or able to come that they have more trust in, DW we all no would give us a boost right now and the only way that could work, if he came as some form of consultant/ coach’s coach on a temporary basis to try and help DS learn quicker in some areas, something as a club we thought we had a few seasons before he needed to be ready. It’s the only way DW would come back to the club as a part time / short term contract as his family not moving back. There is only one person to blame for the current situation it’s CC for screwing us over so late in the day, he was fully aware of budgets and players leaving even before the playoff final (if we didn’t go up). I do think DS needs some help but will he accept it and will it be offered to him. You mean there's no one else available that's cheap 🤬 |
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Post by duncfost01 on Sept 6, 2022 12:23:13 GMT 1
90% of the poll would disagree. 90% of your clumsily written poll you mean? Both voting options are absolute extremities with no room for any balance or nuance in-between. So there's no voting option for the likes of Morley, myself and plenty of others whose opinion is actually something along the lines of "We don't think Danny Schofield should be the Head Coach of Huddersfield Town but it would be unfair to sack him from the club". Likewise - there's no voting option for a number of posters on here who've expressed concern about Danny Schofield as manager but would like to see him given a couple more games. Can't believe I just wasted my time explaining this to you. Im so sorry that there isnt an option for your suggestions. I suggest you should start your own. |
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Post by JonsonClarkParis on Sept 6, 2022 12:25:20 GMT 1
Rumours on twitter suggest he's gone
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Post by digs on Sept 6, 2022 12:26:55 GMT 1
90% of your clumsily written poll you mean? Both voting options are absolute extremities with no room for any balance or nuance in-between. So there's no voting option for the likes of Morley, myself and plenty of others whose opinion is actually something along the lines of "We don't think Danny Schofield should be the Head Coach of Huddersfield Town but it would be unfair to sack him from the club". Likewise - there's no voting option for a number of posters on here who've expressed concern about Danny Schofield as manager but would like to see him given a couple more games. Can't believe I just wasted my time explaining this to you. Im so sorry that there isnt an option for your suggestions. I suggest you should start your own. Is there a suggestion box outside your corporate box people can use? |
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Post by duncfost01 on Sept 6, 2022 12:29:09 GMT 1
Im so sorry that there isnt an option for your suggestions. I suggest you should start your own. Is there a suggestion box outside your corporate box people can use? yes. two options only. sack ? or stay ? |
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Post by alexdire on Sept 6, 2022 12:32:03 GMT 1
Rumours on twitter suggest he's gone Rumours from today or is it just yesterday's being recycled? |
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