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Post by willo on Sept 19, 2022 10:47:49 GMT 1
Someone posted on here after the game on Saturday the deal for Wagner to return was 90% done which is what I was told at the game. I didn’t ask what the issue over the 10% was, possibly his wife agreeing to come back to the UK? I’d say that might be more than a 10% issue but we’ll doubtless see over the next 24-48 hours.
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Post by houllierspal on Sept 19, 2022 10:56:36 GMT 1
Not sure about the likes of Warne and Ainsworth etc, both done brilliant for their clubs, big gamble, could they do it elsewhere, bit like Jacko, great for Town, not so elsewhere. Would prefer either experience like Wagner or inexperience if that makes sense like Carrick, Ferguson etc both obviously wanting to get on the ladder and, important will have have good contacts.
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Sept 19, 2022 11:02:12 GMT 1
I wouldn’t go so far as to call him Judas as we don’t actually know the full reason for him leaving. If it was due to lack of ambition then he had a valid reason to leave But want him back? It’s a no from me Judas is an over-reaction which is commonplace on datm. He left because of what he saw as a lack of ambition by the club, pure and simple, and I don’t blame him for thinking he couldn’t repeat what he did last season without 2 of his best players whilst inferior replacements were coming in that he had no say on. I wasn’t particularly impressed at his timing but you have to think he only got the lay of the land after returning from holiday by which point pre-season was kicking in. Never a massive fan though - didn’t think his brand of football was particularly great - but would acknowledge he did fantastically well to get us to 3rd place last season. Would I have him back? It’s a big fat no from me. So you don't think he left because he'd been tapped up by the Olympiacos owner, could earn 5-10 times as much and manage a guaranteed Champions/Europa League team?
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 19, 2022 11:03:25 GMT 1
Carrick, Barry, all these rookies, it's just not what we need. We need experience, a man who knows the Championship and has a proven track record. Although I know that comes at a premium ££ I don't understand why an experienced manager with a strong track record is needed. Our squad doesn't have the balance or flexibility of last season's, but it's not weighed down with a bunch of disinterested Prima Donnas on colossal salaries who need to be either motivated or shipped out. We just need a talented head coach who is tactically astute, can organise the squad and develop players as individuals. That might be someone with a strong track record but I don't see why it has to be.
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 19, 2022 11:17:03 GMT 1
I feel like the clubs tweets are strange over the last 18 hours or so. But I don’t know if I’m reading too much into it. The 4 tweets with the first words as: “Feet up, consider it signed” The Wagner late on last night And, this is clutching at straws - but starting the last tweet with the word “today”. However, given the context it is in it might be considered to be in bad taste to include some sort of cryptic message. It’s probably nowt. I’ve forgotten what the clubs twitter is like after a win also as it’s been that long 🤣 I can see a 'feet up' watch the highlights but not a feet up consider it signed? Just had a browse, whether I can oy see so much without a twitter account though. If you look at the first word/s on their last 4 tweets at the time they were, "Feet up" "Consider" "It" and "Signed". Which could mean that Wagner has agreed in principle to come back. Or it could mean that someone else has agreed in principle to join. Or it could be some people reading too much into it. I have a gut feeling though, on what it means and who it's going to be. And it's difficult not to get giddy. Time for a musical interlude.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 19, 2022 11:38:36 GMT 1
I can see a 'feet up' watch the highlights but not a feet up consider it signed? Just had a browse, whether I can oy see so much without a twitter account though. If you look at the first word/s on their last 4 tweets at the time they were, "Feet up" "Consider" "It" and "Signed". Which could mean that Wagner has agreed in principle to come back. Or it could mean that someone else has agreed in principle to join. Or it could be some people reading too much into it. I have a gut feeling though, on what it means and who it's going to be. And it's difficult not to get giddy. Time for a musical interlude. Only three of the four tweets were from Town's main Twitter account, the other was from Town's academy account which was then retweeted by the main one. I think folk are clutching at straws, but in the words of Positive/Prepare, lEts WaiT aNd See.
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Post by rockwall on Sept 19, 2022 11:57:07 GMT 1
I can see a 'feet up' watch the highlights but not a feet up consider it signed? Just had a browse, whether I can oy see so much without a twitter account though. If you look at the first word/s on their last 4 tweets at the time they were, "Feet up" "Consider" "It" and "Signed". Which could mean that Wagner has agreed in principle to come back. Or it could mean that someone else has agreed in principle to join. Or it could be some people reading too much into it. I have a gut feeling though, on what it means and who it's going to be. And it's difficult not to get giddy. Time for a musical interlude. Thanks. Love cryptic messages.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Sept 19, 2022 13:25:27 GMT 1
The man who wanted us kicking out of the playoffs for playing a weaker team at Birmingham ? Can't stand the man.. another manager on the merry go round. I said he was a 'good shout' on a thread entitled 'New gaffer odds'. I didn't say that I wanted him at our club. hey I wasn't having a dig.. just throwing In the fact he was the biggest arse out of all the managers about it.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 19, 2022 14:42:52 GMT 1
Mark Hudson is currently 2/1 favourite for the Cardiff job
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 19, 2022 14:47:32 GMT 1
Judas is an over-reaction which is commonplace on datm. He left because of what he saw as a lack of ambition by the club, pure and simple, and I don’t blame him for thinking he couldn’t repeat what he did last season without 2 of his best players whilst inferior replacements were coming in that he had no say on. I wasn’t particularly impressed at his timing but you have to think he only got the lay of the land after returning from holiday by which point pre-season was kicking in. Never a massive fan though - didn’t think his brand of football was particularly great - but would acknowledge he did fantastically well to get us to 3rd place last season. Would I have him back? It’s a big fat no from me. Agree with much of that but If he did leave for ‘lack of ambition’ by the club, I am sure he will be reflecting on this versus the loyalty (and time!) the club showed/gave him when the results and many fans turned against him at the start on 2021! Different owner that showed him loyalty back then
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 19, 2022 14:49:40 GMT 1
No bloody way .Judas. Got exactly what he deserved I stand by my comment he took "30 pieces of Silver" 29 pieces more than Hoyle was prepared to give him
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Post by Towner47 on Sept 19, 2022 14:50:42 GMT 1
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 19, 2022 15:00:17 GMT 1
I don't fancy any of these except Wagner and Farke really. Dyche imho has £10m in his sky rocket, is too rich for town and wouldn't tolerate and shit from Brombys department and therefore will be a none starter. David Wagner 1/3 Anthony Barry - 8/1 Liam Manning - 12/1 Duncan Ferguson - 14/1 Michael Carrick - 14/1 Neill Collins - 14/1 Paul Harsley - 16/1 Sean Dyche - 16/1 Daniel Farke - 18/1 Setting aside my brief giddy moment about it possibly being Wagner.... After listening to Bromby's interview I think we can definitely rule out Collins. Dyche was always an unlikely match for the club, and if anyone thought Farke was ever likely to leave Borussia Moenchengladbach for us then I can only assume that they've been sniffing some particularly potent glue. I'd also suggest that Harsley and Manning seem unlikely. Harsley because he appears to be playing second fiddle to Pelach and it's not clear how closely he worked with Pep Guardiola when he was on charge of Man City's youth side. Manning because although he ticks a lot of boxes, MK Dons' own struggle to recover from their playoff hangover would cast a lot of doubt. Anthony Barry is going to be tough to prise away from Chelsea, and even if he can be, there's likely to be competition from Cardiff (and possibly WBA if we don't appoint soon!). Would fit the bill as to what Bromby says he's looking for but one hell of a coup to pull off. Michael Carrick might be an even stronger shout than Anthony Barry. Partly because of his availability but also the fact he's been a first team coach before - albeit only in a caretaker capacity. Same could be said for Duncan Ferguson. Another strong candidate if he wants the role. Might depend on whether he's too strong a character to work with the coaching team we have here, but by gut feeling is that he'd be fine in that sense. He's not been there and done it at coaching level, he presumably knows he's just learning his trade, and so I expect he's going to have the humility to fit in as well as the character to succeed. Heart says Wagner, but head is leaning towards Carrick or Barry. Exciting/interesting times, whichever way it goes.
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Post by midge on Sept 19, 2022 15:03:20 GMT 1
Agree with much of that but If he did leave for ‘lack of ambition’ by the club, I am sure he will be reflecting on this versus the loyalty (and time!) the club showed/gave him when the results and many fans turned against him at the start on 2021! Different owner that showed him loyalty back then Meaning what!?
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 19, 2022 15:10:21 GMT 1
Different owner that showed him loyalty back then Meaning what!? Presumably, that if he's motivated by loyalty then that's more likely to be to Phil than to Dean
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 19, 2022 15:16:57 GMT 1
Different owner that showed him loyalty back then Meaning what!? Meaning that it was Phil that stayed loyal to him. Hoyles not known for his loyalty to managers.
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 19, 2022 15:20:07 GMT 1
I don't fancy any of these except Wagner and Farke really. Dyche imho has £10m in his sky rocket, is too rich for town and wouldn't tolerate and shit from Brombys department and therefore will be a none starter. David Wagner 1/3 Anthony Barry - 8/1 Liam Manning - 12/1 Duncan Ferguson - 14/1 Michael Carrick - 14/1 Neill Collins - 14/1 Paul Harsley - 16/1 Sean Dyche - 16/1 Daniel Farke - 18/1 Setting aside my brief giddy moment about it possibly being Wagner.... After listening to Bromby's interview I think we can definitely rule out Collins. Dyche was always an unlikely match for the club, and if anyone thought Farke was ever likely to leave Borussia Moenchengladbach for us then I can only assume that they've been sniffing some particularly potent glue. I'd also suggest that Harsley and Manning seem unlikely. Harsley because he appears to be playing second fiddle to Pelach and it's not clear how closely he worked with Pep Guardiola when he was on charge of Man City's youth side. Manning because although he ticks a lot of boxes, MK Dons' own struggle to recover from their playoff hangover would cast a lot of doubt. Anthony Barry is going to be tough to prise away from Chelsea, and even if he can be, there's likely to be competition from Cardiff (and possibly WBA if we don't appoint soon!). Would fit the bill as to what Bromby says he's looking for but one hell of a coup to pull off. Michael Carrick might be an even stronger shout than Anthony Barry. Partly because of his availability but also the fact he's been a first team coach before - albeit only in a caretaker capacity. Same could be said for Duncan Ferguson. Another strong candidate if he wants the role. Might depend on whether he's too strong a character to work with the coaching team we have here, but by gut feeling is that he'd be fine in that sense. He's not been there and done it at coaching level, he presumably knows he's just learning his trade, and so I expect he's going to have the humility to fit in as well as the character to succeed. Heart says Wagner, but head is leaning towards Carrick or Barry. Exciting/interesting times, whichever way it goes. I wouldn't be averse to either Barry or Carrick. Barry especially should be able to get a tune out of Anjorin!
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Post by midge on Sept 19, 2022 15:27:42 GMT 1
Meaning that it was Phil that stayed loyal to him. Hoyles not known for his loyalty to managers. Hmmm, not sure I am buying that🤔 Bromby was the main reason Carlos came to the club( he identified him etc) which would suggest that he was probably the main one involved in staying loyal to him a season or so ago!
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 19, 2022 15:38:25 GMT 1
Meaning that it was Phil that stayed loyal to him. Hoyles not known for his loyalty to managers. Hmmm, not sure I am buying that🤔 Bromby was the main reason Carlos came to the club( he identified him etc) which would suggest that he was probably the main one involved in staying loyal to him a season or so ago! You think the Yes man has more say than the owner 🤔
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Post by midge on Sept 19, 2022 15:55:26 GMT 1
Hmmm, not sure I am buying that🤔 Bromby was the main reason Carlos came to the club( he identified him etc) which would suggest that he was probably the main one involved in staying loyal to him a season or so ago! You think the Yes man has more say than the owner 🤔 I don’t have him down as a ‘yes man’? A ‘yes man’ to Phil, Dean or both and what makes you think that?🤔
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Post by Dan on Sept 19, 2022 15:59:03 GMT 1
You think the Yes man has more say than the owner 🤔 I don’t have him down as a ‘yes man’? A ‘yes man’ to Phil, Dean or both and wants makes you think that?🤔 It's amazing to see the amount of people on here that think all the football decisions are made by the owner (and previous owner) given we've literally had a Head of Football Operations in place for years. Even to the point of praising/blaming the owner for the signings of certain players.
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Post by boothyisourking on Sept 19, 2022 16:15:43 GMT 1
Someone posted on here after the game on Saturday the deal for Wagner to return was 90% done which is what I was told at the game. I didn’t ask what the issue over the 10% was, possibly his wife agreeing to come back to the UK? I’d say that might be more than a 10% issue but we’ll doubtless see over the next 24-48 hours. I wouldn’t bank on it. Not saying it’s true but it’s definitely from a respected sauce but I’ve been told Wagner has agree to take the job but it won’t be announced for 5-6 weeks. I know this sounds ridiculous and I don’t know if I believe it myself but it’s defo from someone who would know
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Post by swollentoe on Sept 19, 2022 16:20:19 GMT 1
I heard Dean is going to pay Wagner cash in hand so he has 2 wages coming in🤣
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Post by leroy212 on Sept 19, 2022 16:20:42 GMT 1
Someone posted on here after the game on Saturday the deal for Wagner to return was 90% done which is what I was told at the game. I didn’t ask what the issue over the 10% was, possibly his wife agreeing to come back to the UK? I’d say that might be more than a 10% issue but we’ll doubtless see over the next 24-48 hours. I wouldn’t bank on it. Not saying it’s true but it’s definitely from a respected sauce but I’ve been told Wagner has agree to take the job but it won’t be announced for 5-6 weeks. I know this sounds ridiculous and I don’t know if I believe it myself but it’s defo from someone who would know Sounds daft it would not be announced for 5-6 weeks. We need a proper manager in asap
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Sept 19, 2022 16:24:12 GMT 1
I wouldn’t bank on it. Not saying it’s true but it’s definitely from a respected sauce but I’ve been told Wagner has agree to take the job but it won’t be announced for 5-6 weeks. I know this sounds ridiculous and I don’t know if I believe it myself but it’s defo from someone who would know Sounds daft it would not be announced for 5-6 weeks. We need a proper manager in asap We don’t have that time to waste IMO - need to get in, bed ideas into The team, get them fit and work with them until that mini pre season for the World Cup - we aren’t at the right end of the table to hang fire
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Sept 19, 2022 16:43:46 GMT 1
Someone posted on here after the game on Saturday the deal for Wagner to return was 90% done which is what I was told at the game. I didn’t ask what the issue over the 10% was, possibly his wife agreeing to come back to the UK? I’d say that might be more than a 10% issue but we’ll doubtless see over the next 24-48 hours. I wouldn’t bank on it. Not saying it’s true but it’s definitely from a respected sauce but I’ve been told Wagner has agree to take the job but it won’t be announced for 5-6 weeks. I know this sounds ridiculous and I don’t know if I believe it myself but it’s defo from someone who would know Is that a work permit thing? I know Burnley had to wait a few weeks before Kompany could start work officially for the same reason.
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 19, 2022 17:20:03 GMT 1
Sounds daft it would not be announced for 5-6 weeks. We need a proper manager in asap We don’t have that time to waste IMO - need to get in, bed ideas into The team, get them fit and work with them until that mini pre season for the World Cup - we aren’t at the right end of the table to hang fire However if Chico continues to get a tune out of the players and gets us up the table in the meantime he takes us over in a much better position.
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Post by willo on Sept 20, 2022 0:18:40 GMT 1
I wouldn’t bank on it. Not saying it’s true but it’s definitely from a respected sauce but I’ve been told Wagner has agree to take the job but it won’t be announced for 5-6 weeks. I know this sounds ridiculous and I don’t know if I believe it myself but it’s defo from someone who would know Is that a work permit thing? I know Burnley had to wait a few weeks before Kompany could start work officially for the same reason. Work permit or not, I’d be staggered if the club are ok hanging around for 5-6 weeks (that’s the end of October) to announce the new man. They need to identify the guy by the end of this week and get on with announcing it so he has the whole of the following week to work with the players before the next game.
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 20, 2022 7:50:33 GMT 1
Sounds daft it would not be announced for 5-6 weeks. We need a proper manager in asap We don’t have that time to waste IMO - need to get in, bed ideas into The team, get them fit and work with them until that mini pre season for the World Cup - we aren’t at the right end of the table to hang fire Which is the right end of the table to hang fire? IMO time spent ensuring that we get the right appointment is not time wasted. We appear to have a competent caretaker who can steady the ship in the short term. Obviously a balance needs to be struck and 5-6 weeks does seem excessive, but if the right man can't start until October for whatever reason it may be prudent to leave Pelach and Harsley in place a bit longer. Of course, the flip side is that if the first choice falls through, we have the threat of the second choice going to Cardiff and the third choice to WBA, because I can't see WBA owners tolerating their league position for much longer.
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Sept 20, 2022 8:29:00 GMT 1
Wagner shortened ever slightly to 2/5 next best bet is Warne at 9/2.
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