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Post by Lovechops on Sept 27, 2022 12:42:54 GMT 1
He's not allowed to bring any of his own staff in. Make of that what you will! I’m still hearing rumours that Carrick is coming too poss as an assistant coach??? |
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Post by King Neil on Sept 27, 2022 12:45:23 GMT 1
Every season since 76...no exceptions! Where on earth I have I spoken of failing?? All I have done is point out the risks of this huge gamble!! One I personally wouldn't be doing if I were chairman and I think is irresponsible of Dean should he do so!!! The whole future of our club is being gambled on the roll of a dice!! Championship basic TV money 4.5 million League one basic TV money 700 thousand A difference of 3.8 Million and we apparently have running costs of 10m per season hence the odd player sale to balance the books Maybe time to have a poll on who else on here would take such gamble We won't recover if this goes wrong You said you'd stop going to games, solely because we might appoint a head coach none of us have heard of. If that isn't "expecting him to fail" I don't know what is. OK maybe a bit dramatic Can I honestly give this up after 40 odd years lol |
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Post by rockwall on Sept 27, 2022 12:45:24 GMT 1
He's not allowed to bring any of his own staff in. Make of that what you will! I’m still hearing rumours that Carrick is coming too poss as an assistant coach??? Where would that leave Narcis and Harsley? Can't see it myself. |
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Post by mallyb on Sept 27, 2022 12:45:48 GMT 1
No, fotheringham assisted the guy that got promoted again, big difference as Danny found out. Wagner made the decisions that got the team promoted, Forgeringham assisted the guy that won a promotion. Fotheringham also, only, assisted the guy when they got relegated. Wagner was boss and made the decisions when Dortmund II were relegated You are making my point for me now. Wagner learnt at another club by making mistakes and being relegated and winning promotion again. To say Fotheringham, has the same experience as Wagner did is just not true, Wagner made the decisions. A young manager in league 1 or 2 is making those decisions. DS foundd that step up impossible, as valuable as he was to Carlos, and Carlos entrusted him running the first team when CC had covid DS couldn't do it. He has always been an assistant and that is different. Not saying MF can't do it but to say he has the same experience Wagner had is wrong, he hasn't. |
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Post by Mav on Sept 27, 2022 12:46:42 GMT 1
It take MMF is Scottish…. Good!
Give the soft sausages a bit of a wake up call, no fucking about, hairdryer if needed, love if needed.
Get Hoggy (eventually) in as his right hand man and scare the opposition to death (as well as playing Brazilesque type football).
UTT ( where’s Ainley these days?).
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Post by willo on Sept 27, 2022 12:47:13 GMT 1
Forgetting just for one moment the Wagner aspect of this, we could have gone with a really experienced manager, a Warnock or McCarthy type just to come in for say this season to steady things, get us into a mid-table position and then look again at the end of the season. We could have gone for an Ainsworth or a Warne, someone with experience of managing in the Championship on a budget with a less fashionable club looking for that next step. We could have gone for a Carrick or Ferguson type with previous experience in coaching for a club in the UK looking for their first head coach role, someone with connections to the pool of players at PL clubs. Instead, we seem to be appointing none of the above but someone most of us have never heard of and with no track record of any note! It’s just a bizarre decision when you consider the other options and the one thing we need is know-how at the level we play at. I’m sure he’ll get a respected but pretty muted welcome, the total opposite of the reception Wagner received at h/t just the other week.
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 27, 2022 12:55:04 GMT 1
Fotheringham also, only, assisted the guy when they got relegated. Wagner was boss and made the decisions when Dortmund II were relegated You are making my point for me now. Wagner learnt at another club by making mistakes and being relegated and winning promotion again. To say Fotheringham, has the same experience as Wagner did is just not true, Wagner made the decisions. A young manager in league 1 or 2 is making those decisions. DS foundd that step up impossible, as valuable as he was to Carlos, and Carlos entrusted him running the first team when CC had covid DS couldn't do it. He has always been an assistant and that is different. Not saying MF can't do it but to say he has the same experience Wagner had is wrong, he hasn't. Did Dortmund II get promoted under Wagner after they'd got relegated under him ? I thought he left the job. |
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Post by Lovechops on Sept 27, 2022 12:56:09 GMT 1
I’m still hearing rumours that Carrick is coming too poss as an assistant coach??? Where would that leave Narcis and Harsley? Can't see it myself. Carlos had 3 - Chico, Schofield and Alarcón |
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Post by TTCMatt on Sept 27, 2022 12:56:45 GMT 1
He's not allowed to bring any of his own staff in. Make of that what you will! I’m still hearing rumours that Carrick is coming too poss as an assistant coach??? quash them. |
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Post by TTCMatt on Sept 27, 2022 13:01:18 GMT 1
You are making my point for me now. Wagner learnt at another club by making mistakes and being relegated and winning promotion again. To say Fotheringham, has the same experience as Wagner did is just not true, Wagner made the decisions. A young manager in league 1 or 2 is making those decisions. DS foundd that step up impossible, as valuable as he was to Carlos, and Carlos entrusted him running the first team when CC had covid DS couldn't do it. He has always been an assistant and that is different. Not saying MF can't do it but to say he has the same experience Wagner had is wrong, he hasn't. Did Dortmund II get promoted under Wagner after they'd got relegated under him ? I thought he left the job. Wagner won the league in his first season and is the only coach of Dortmund II to ever keep them in the 3rd tier for more than 2 seasons. They got relegated in his last season and it took them another 6 years afterwards to come back again, but tbf they did appoint Jan Siewert in that period...  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2022 13:01:51 GMT 1
I’m still hearing rumours that Carrick is coming too poss as an assistant coach??? quash them. Hefele |
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Post by rockwall on Sept 27, 2022 13:02:24 GMT 1
Where would that leave Narcis and Harsley? Can't see it myself. Carlos had 3 - Chico, Schofield and Alarcón Schofield wasn't an assistant coach... I dont think anyway. |
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Post by cuz on Sept 27, 2022 13:02:54 GMT 1
He's not allowed to bring any of his own staff in. Make of that what you will! If this is true it effectively rules out 99.9% of the managerial population and left them with a shortlist of this bloke or manager of Wooldale Wanderers |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 27, 2022 13:04:12 GMT 1
Mr Hoyle started following Town when Buxton was appointed, we were 2nd bottom of division four & heading towards NPL.......do you think he's not a fan of the club...REALLY!! Miss quote again! Where have I said he's not a fan?? I support him in most things...just not this particular one due to our precarious position and what it will lead to should it go wrong Were 3 points from 4th bottom with a game in hand and a mere 37 more games to come. People talk like its late march and we're still second bottom. Its a not a 'precarious position' ,, its been a poor start to the season thats all. Whats happened to people's perspective in this country? Everything is such a drama. |
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Post by Dan on Sept 27, 2022 13:05:09 GMT 1
He's not allowed to bring any of his own staff in. Make of that what you will! If this is true it effectively rules out 99.9% of the managerial population and left them with a shortlist of this bloke or manager of Wooldale WanderersThat would of involved significant compensation so maybe not  |
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Post by tepidterrier on Sept 27, 2022 13:07:10 GMT 1
I can't believe we're going for an unproven manager who's never coached a senior team before, has limited experience of coaching including getting relegated, no knowledge of the championship, all while we're in a relegation battle! ..would've also been a perfectly correct thing to say about Wagner when he arrived. Hmm. yet he has coached a senior team right, just not in a Head Coach capacity, save for the Hoffenheim game where he stood in for Magath. I think the only issue here is that most on here were waiting and expecting Wagner to get the gig and this appointment does not set the pulses racing. Whilst it's not overly exciting me at the moment, let's see how things go? It could be good. We could be the next Watford! on the subject of Watford, I'm puzzled that Xisco Muñoz was never in the frame for us. Got a troubled side pulling together and promoted playing a tough pressing 4-4-2. Out of a job after being quite harshly sacked by Watford and a short spell with Huesca, and spent most of his career in the same parts of Spain as Chicho and Carlos did. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Sept 27, 2022 13:12:28 GMT 1
He's not allowed to bring any of his own staff in. Make of that what you will! maybe trying to avoid 2 fairly recent situations we've had with assistants. Carlos taking his assistant with him, and Siewert bringing faffing about chopping and changing assistants, the last of which lasting about 4 weeks before he was sacked. but the simple answer everyone will go for is that it's cheaper. It makes sense to me, and there was general agreement on here that whoever came in they should keep Chicho and Harsley on. |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Sept 27, 2022 13:14:59 GMT 1
Think you may be getting your divisions mixed up. Schalke were relegated down to 2, ingolstadt were relegated to 3 liga. Wagner was relegated with Dortmund II Apologies. I’d missed your earlier post about Dortmund II. |
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 27, 2022 13:17:47 GMT 1
He's not allowed to bring any of his own staff in. Make of that what you will! maybe trying to avoid 2 fairly recent situations we've had with assistants. Carlos taking his assistant with him, and Siewert bringing faffing about chopping and changing assistants, the last of which lasting about 4 weeks before he was sacked. but the simple answer everyone will go for is that it's cheaper. It makes sense to me, and there was general agreement on here that whoever came in they should keep Chicho and Harsley on. What's the point in appointing a new head coach then? Is he allowed to implement his own philosophy and tactical style- No (it's well documented the club is set up to play a certain way) If he has to come in and play to the clubs tune then they may aswell have taken any off the peg coach already here. Instead we have an unproven manager who has never worked with anyone here before and who has to get used to a system our coaches already know. Wagner aside if that was the plan all along there could never have been anyone that would have fit the bill. |
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Post by boooothy on Sept 27, 2022 13:21:19 GMT 1
It take MMF is Scottish…. Good! Give the soft sausages a bit of a wake up call, no fucking about, hairdryer if needed, love if needed. Get Hoggy (eventually) in as his right hand man and scare the opposition to death (as well as playing Brazilesque type football). UTT ( where’s Ainley these days?). My biggest criticism of Schofield was he was too matey with the players. That won’t be the case with this chap. Maybe the Siewert disaster is what scares me about that. |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 27, 2022 13:21:27 GMT 1
Did Dortmund II get promoted under Wagner after they'd got relegated under him ? I thought he left the job. Wagner won the league in his first season and is the only coach of Dortmund II to ever keep them in the 3rd tier for more than 2 seasons. They got relegated in his last season and it took them another 6 years afterwards to come back again, but tbf they did appoint Jan Siewert in that period... Right, I looked at Wiki but it glosses over his time at Dortmund |
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Post by bradley1985 on Sept 27, 2022 13:22:54 GMT 1
Billic turned town down - fotheringham wasn’t even second choice
What a complete sh*t show
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Post by bradley1985 on Sept 27, 2022 13:23:18 GMT 1
Billic turning us down is in the athletic
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 27, 2022 13:25:07 GMT 1
Wagner was relegated with Dortmund II Apologies. I’d missed your earlier post about Dortmund II. No worries, that's the problem with only getting on here at breaks. I replied to you but others already had and I hadn't seen them 👍 |
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Post by calken on Sept 27, 2022 13:25:24 GMT 1
Every time I've changed jobs, I've never been allowed to take my team with me, I've understood who is already in the new team and have agreed to work with them.
Getting the most out of the coaching staff, is just the same as getting the most out of the players. What next? the manager/coach brings the team with them too?
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 27, 2022 13:26:19 GMT 1
Billic turned town down - fotheringham wasn’t even second choice What a complete sh*t show Yeah, course he did 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. He'd have wanted actual money to come, Dyche-type money. |
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Post by bradley1985 on Sept 27, 2022 13:27:45 GMT 1
It’s in the athletic - they don’t tend to make things up
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Post by ritchie on Sept 27, 2022 13:27:55 GMT 1
Think its a high risk gamble at possibly the wrong time. It's either lost the plot or masterstroke stuff.
However I do find these type of appointments exciting; he seems to have a good footballing education (just because Felix is eccentric doesn't mean he doesn't know his football), and being a straight talking scot who doesn't seem to take any shit it might be the rocket up the arse we need.
I get Lee Clark vibes which is a Good and bad thing..
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Post by Dan on Sept 27, 2022 13:28:53 GMT 1
It’s in the athletic - they don’t tend to make things up No but agents tend to |
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Post by tepidterrier on Sept 27, 2022 13:29:18 GMT 1
maybe trying to avoid 2 fairly recent situations we've had with assistants. Carlos taking his assistant with him, and Siewert bringing faffing about chopping and changing assistants, the last of which lasting about 4 weeks before he was sacked. but the simple answer everyone will go for is that it's cheaper. It makes sense to me, and there was general agreement on here that whoever came in they should keep Chicho and Harsley on. What's the point in appointing a new head coach then? Is he allowed to implement his own philosophy and tactical style- No (it's well documented the club is set up to play a certain way) If he has to come in and play to the clubs tune then they may aswell have taken any off the peg coach already here. Instead we have an unproven manager who has never worked with anyone here before and who has to get used to a system our coaches already know. Wagner aside if that was the plan all along there could never have been anyone that would have fit the bill. The club is set up to play a certain way, but the manager doesn't have to do that. Carlos didn't in his 2nd season. We tried an off the peg coach from here a few weeks ago, and he wasn't good enough! |
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