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Post by ben1987 on Oct 9, 2022 19:51:16 GMT 1
Cowshed loyal were shite today, again. Didn't realise they were the only ones allowed to make noise. Those criticising, why not start some songs etc yourself? Woooosh. Jokes aside, I’m in the CL14. I’m one of the lads at the front. I wasn’t there today, sadly. However I’ve been part of the original group that formed it 8 years ago and I’ve seen how over the last 8 years, how and what makes town crowds tick. Obviously, the wagner days and that promotion season and first PL were the best we’ve had. Those two seasons aside, some have been good, bad and indifferent. From my eye facing the crowd on a match day I’d say that like any other English crowd, what happens on the pitch plays thee biggest part of what happens off it. After that, identity is a close second. What we as town fans crave is something we identify with. Under wagner we saw team work and graft, something which we as fans fed off. Under Carlos it was something that we fed off for most of last season, mainly the last two thirds of it. It had down times because we were pragmatic as a team so to watch we didn’t quite get fans up off their feet like under wagner. What’s happened in those last 8 is that because of the bench marks of the promotion and first PL season, any time we slip below that it gets called out. At times, rightly. You can’t take plaudits and stroke your length on a Saturday evening when it’s good then when it’s bad, hide and pretend it didn’t happen. What I see now when encouraging from the front is a lot of nervous, detached and glum faces. The Hoyle saga, the schofield factor, the shambolic start to the season and the fact we still don’t really have a style and identity means that unless we paste a side it’s always going to be fairly ordinary. In the championship you won’t find any other club with a fan base that actively encourages an atmosphere like we do at town but that doesn’t mean to say it’s the best atmosphere in the league because it isn’t. I just think at the moment we have a fan base who are lost and detached from town and it’s reflected in the atmosphere. You are right, there’s more to the Cowshed Loyal in that stadium, but I don’t see any drastic improvement no matter what a group like the CL14 or any other bunch or single fan does will matter until there is a clear plan, focus and direction from the club. Despite the fact I’m in the CL14, I’m far from attached to town like I was before the start of the season. That’s solely down to decisions made beyond all our control. I suspect that’s the case for the vast majority of fans, sadly. And I’m not saying it’s right, but that’s what I suspect it is. |
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Post by brodie81 on Oct 9, 2022 20:00:28 GMT 1
Cowshed loyal were shite today, again. It was to be fair . The board should be releasing a statement demanding answers |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Oct 9, 2022 20:04:36 GMT 1
Bit rich coming from you Mally, you are one the most depressing posters in this board. And that takes some doing. I'm sure you said that was me Joey? Though some of your posts can be read as negative you mix it up with debate and humour. You can’t take the trophy honour off Mally. |
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Post by ben1987 on Oct 9, 2022 20:11:44 GMT 1
Cowshed loyal were shite today, again. It was to be fair . The board should be releasing a statement demanding answers 🎣🎣🎣🎣 |
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Post by brodie81 on Oct 9, 2022 20:14:03 GMT 1
It was to be fair . The board should be releasing a statement demanding answers 🎣🎣🎣🎣 Yes I really took the bait there..... |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Oct 9, 2022 20:14:30 GMT 1
Atmosphere was shite, but you really can't blame the people there.
We've been pants for the majority of the last few seasons, after a real peak with Mooy etc., plus football is so tactical nowadays it's hard to throw caution to the wind without getting picked off.
Will take a sustained upturn to get the crowd behind us. The Wagner Boro game (despite defeat) was a one off boost we'll unlikely ever see again.
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Post by ben1987 on Oct 9, 2022 20:16:47 GMT 1
Yes I really took the bait there..... Or I wasn’t biting the bait more like. |
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Post by Wingman on Oct 9, 2022 20:42:03 GMT 1
Only at Town can our own fans slate a group who in their own time, and at a cost, make flags etc and generate noise to gee the team up.
Yes the fans need action on the pitch but let’s celebrate CL14, not berate them! Clearly it’s appreciated as successive managers have led the team to the South Stand to acknowledge the supporters.
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Post by softboy on Oct 9, 2022 20:42:35 GMT 1
Shame the original poster was this way enclined. I fully understand the need to slag the club and team at every opportunity but I thought the atmosphere was ok today. Just a shame that the boo boys didn’t have a lot to say.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Oct 9, 2022 21:31:14 GMT 1
Can we ban negative pointless threads after a win? What was the intention of this? What are you trying to achieve? We do our best to remove completely pointless threads, merge the angry threads, but at the same time leave room for discussion. This will fall off pretty quickly |
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Post by 28901 on Oct 9, 2022 21:46:00 GMT 1
I'm sure you said that was me Joey? Though some of your posts can be read as negative you mix it up with debate and humour. You can’t take the trophy honour off Mally. Quite the compliment Cheers Joey |
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Post by 28901 on Oct 9, 2022 22:04:10 GMT 1
Didn't realise they were the only ones allowed to make noise. Those criticising, why not start some songs etc yourself? Woooosh. Jokes aside, I’m in the CL14. I’m one of the lads at the front. I wasn’t there today, sadly. However I’ve been part of the original group that formed it 8 years ago and I’ve seen how over the last 8 years, how and what makes town crowds tick. Obviously, the wagner days and that promotion season and first PL were the best we’ve had. Those two seasons aside, some have been good, bad and indifferent. From my eye facing the crowd on a match day I’d say that like any other English crowd, what happens on the pitch plays thee biggest part of what happens off it. After that, identity is a close second. What we as town fans crave is something we identify with. Under wagner we saw team work and graft, something which we as fans fed off. Under Carlos it was something that we fed off for most of last season, mainly the last two thirds of it. It had down times because we were pragmatic as a team so to watch we didn’t quite get fans up off their feet like under wagner. What’s happened in those last 8 is that because of the bench marks of the promotion and first PL season, any time we slip below that it gets called out. At times, rightly. You can’t take plaudits and stroke your length on a Saturday evening when it’s good then when it’s bad, hide and pretend it didn’t happen. What I see now when encouraging from the front is a lot of nervous, detached and glum faces. The Hoyle saga, the schofield factor, the shambolic start to the season and the fact we still don’t really have a style and identity means that unless we paste a side it’s always going to be fairy ordinary. In the championship you won’t find any other club with a fan base that actively encourages an atmosphere like we do at town but that doesn’t mean to say it’s the best atmosphere in the league because it isn’t. I just think at the moment we have a fan base who are lost and detached from town and it’s reflected in the atmosphere. You are right, there’s more to the Cowshed Loyal in that stadium, but I don’t see any drastic improvement no matter what a group like the CL14 or any other bunch or single fan does will matter until there is a clear plan, focus and direction from the club. Despite the fact I’m in the CL14, I’m far from attached to town like I was before the start of the season. That’s solely down to decisions made beyond all our control. I suspect that’s the case for the vast majority of fans, sadly. And I’m not saying it’s right, but that’s what I suspect it is. I know its been up and down depending on the atmosphere surrounding the club. For example 79 to 84 it was cock on, late 80 very poor, improved a bit early 90s with the general football renaissance. Even within those periods some days no one is up for it, no matter what. Today was one such day. Anyone who watches championship games live on sky at 12 will know its not just us. |
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Post by softboy on Oct 10, 2022 2:41:36 GMT 1
I fully understand the need to have yet another thread that is anti town. We won today and therefore it is only reasonable that this leads to criticism of players fans etc. I thought the atmosphere was ok but sadly not toxic like a lot on here would have liked.
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Post by malcolmbrown on Oct 10, 2022 7:57:17 GMT 1
I fully understand the need to have yet another thread that is anti town. We won today and therefore it is only reasonable that this leads to criticism of players fans etc. I thought the atmosphere was ok but sadly not toxic like a lot on here would have liked. Why would anyone want a toxic atmosphere? My point was to get behind the team. How is that anti Town? |
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Post by durhamterrier on Oct 10, 2022 8:45:01 GMT 1
Atmosphere was alright , no better no worse.
Big thing for me was the game was must win and that tension up until we got the second was pretty evident. Bar last season we’ve been used to a team that can’t hold leads and cocks it up and that’s almost engrained into our fan base at the moment.
Helik takes his time on the ball and it’s “get it forward!” , Thomas tries a flick that doesn’t come off and it’s “get rid!”.
The overarching performance yesterday was ok and that drove an ok atmosphere.
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Post by malcolmbrown on Oct 10, 2022 8:52:11 GMT 1
Atmosphere was alright , no better no worse. Big thing for me was the game was must win and that tension up until we got the second was pretty evident. Bar last season we’ve been used to a team that can’t hold leads and cocks it up and that’s almost engrained into our fan base at the moment. Helik takes his time on the ball and it’s “get it forward!” , Thomas tries a flick that doesn’t come off and it’s “get rid!”. The overarching performance yesterday was ok and that drove an ok atmosphere. I've been watching Town since the seventies. The atmosphere was not ok, it was flatter than a witch's tit. |
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Post by Orinoco on Oct 10, 2022 9:01:29 GMT 1
The CL14 have done a fantastic job over the years, dont know how anyone can say any different. There are a lot of negatives amongst the supporters at the moment concerning the club, which creates a flat atmosphere, cant pin it on the CL lads.
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Post by Leporid on Oct 10, 2022 9:21:15 GMT 1
Atmosphere was shite, but you really can't blame the people there. We've been pants for the majority of the last few seasons, after a real peak with Mooy etc., plus football is so tactical nowadays it's hard to throw caution to the wind without getting picked off.Will take a sustained upturn to get the crowd behind us. The Wagner Boro game (despite defeat) was a one off boost we'll unlikely ever see again. Yup. Games can be pretty dull for long periods..... |
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Post by durhamterrier on Oct 10, 2022 9:43:06 GMT 1
Atmosphere was alright , no better no worse. Big thing for me was the game was must win and that tension up until we got the second was pretty evident. Bar last season we’ve been used to a team that can’t hold leads and cocks it up and that’s almost engrained into our fan base at the moment. Helik takes his time on the ball and it’s “get it forward!” , Thomas tries a flick that doesn’t come off and it’s “get rid!”. The overarching performance yesterday was ok and that drove an ok atmosphere. I've been watching Town since the seventies. The atmosphere was not ok, it was flatter than a witch's tit. You’re looking at the wrong witches |
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Post by ashfieldterrier on Oct 10, 2022 9:48:24 GMT 1
Was terrible. Credit to those who did make an effort but 99% of those in the ground made the some total of f**k all noise. Yes we've had a grim time lately including the Wembley robbery but people need to start getting behind the team. A bit of passion from the stands might keep us up, gee up the players, pressure the ref. I am usually one of the more passionate and vocal in the area we sit, but I was hanging yesterday, so my apologies to Mark and the team, but I agree the atmosphere was pretty shocking. In fairness to the fans, we need the team to give us something to get upbeat about, and when we have no possession in the opposing half for the first 11 minutes, I can understand it’s difficult to be positive. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 10, 2022 10:21:28 GMT 1
Atmosphere was shite, but you really can't blame the people there. We've been pants for the majority of the last few seasons, after a real peak with Mooy etc., plus football is so tactical nowadays it's hard to throw caution to the wind without getting picked off.Will take a sustained upturn to get the crowd behind us. The Wagner Boro game (despite defeat) was a one off boost we'll unlikely ever see again. Yup. Games can be pretty dull for long periods..... I hear Town are signing a portrait artist, to capture the game in real time… |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 10, 2022 10:32:28 GMT 1
Yup. Games can be pretty dull for long periods..... I hear Town are signing a portrait artist, to capture the game in real time… A great deal of midfield play yesterday of a quick dart and sharp pass followed by standing still, turning a full circle and then passing backwards. Hull did a lot of that as well, sometimes followed by a long shot that endangered those in the upper tiers more than the nets. Waiting for set pieces can lull the crowd a bit? A 'quiet win' is still a win.. |
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Post by robhtfc on Oct 10, 2022 12:26:36 GMT 1
Don't know if it's already been mentioned but why do we always seem to kick towards the North Stand in the second half? Surely the best atmospheres are generated when any team is playing towards their most vocal supporters in the second half? Not towards a totally empty lower tier.
I realise we can't do anything about it if we lose the toss as the away team will always try to play towards their own fans in the second half but we can't have lost the toss every home match this season, can we? Or maybe we have?
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Post by 28901 on Oct 10, 2022 12:45:19 GMT 1
Don't know if it's already been mentioned but why do we always seem to kick towards the North Stand in the second half? Surely the best atmospheres are generated when any team is playing towards their most vocal supporters in the second half? Not towards a totally empty lower tier. I realise we can't do anything about it if we lose the toss as the away team will always try to play towards their own fans in the second half but we can't have lost the toss every home match this season, can we? Or maybe we have? We kick towards our home 'end' second half. Blame the stadium designers for not giving us a proper end. Single tier no boxes, its not that hard. |
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Post by robhtfc on Oct 10, 2022 12:49:18 GMT 1
Don't know if it's already been mentioned but why do we always seem to kick towards the North Stand in the second half? Surely the best atmospheres are generated when any team is playing towards their most vocal supporters in the second half? Not towards a totally empty lower tier. I realise we can't do anything about it if we lose the toss as the away team will always try to play towards their own fans in the second half but we can't have lost the toss every home match this season, can we? Or maybe we have? We kick towards our home 'end' second half. Blame the stadium designers for not giving us a proper end. Single tier no boxes, its not that hard. The team could still choose to kick towards the South Stand for the second half if they win the toss. |
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Post by runner76 on Oct 10, 2022 12:55:58 GMT 1
I've been watching Town since the seventies. The atmosphere was not ok, it was flatter than a witch's tit. You’re looking at the wrong witches I thought that. Elvira springs to mind........... |
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 10, 2022 12:56:25 GMT 1
Noticed that the players celebrated in the middle at the final whistle, then walked over to the SS did the salute and then walked off. Very few bothered to go round the other 3 stands like they used to.
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Post by mosher on Oct 10, 2022 13:01:37 GMT 1
You’re looking at the wrong witches I thought that. Elvira springs to mind........... Or any of the (original) Charmed series, Alyssa Milano, Shannon Doherty, Holly Coombs, Caley Cuoco and Rose McGowan aren't exactly concave-chested  |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 10, 2022 13:07:29 GMT 1
Didn't realise they were the only ones allowed to make noise. Those criticising, why not start some songs etc yourself? Woooosh. Jokes aside, I’m in the CL14. I’m one of the lads at the front. I wasn’t there today, sadly. However I’ve been part of the original group that formed it 8 years ago and I’ve seen how over the last 8 years, how and what makes town crowds tick. Obviously, the wagner days and that promotion season and first PL were the best we’ve had. Those two seasons aside, some have been good, bad and indifferent. From my eye facing the crowd on a match day I’d say that like any other English crowd, what happens on the pitch plays thee biggest part of what happens off it. After that, identity is a close second. What we as town fans crave is something we identify with. Under wagner we saw team work and graft, something which we as fans fed off. Under Carlos it was something that we fed off for most of last season, mainly the last two thirds of it. It had down times because we were pragmatic as a team so to watch we didn’t quite get fans up off their feet like under wagner. What’s happened in those last 8 is that because of the bench marks of the promotion and first PL season, any time we slip below that it gets called out. At times, rightly. You can’t take plaudits and stroke your length on a Saturday evening when it’s good then when it’s bad, hide and pretend it didn’t happen. What I see now when encouraging from the front is a lot of nervous, detached and glum faces. The Hoyle saga, the schofield factor, the shambolic start to the season and the fact we still don’t really have a style and identity means that unless we paste a side it’s always going to be fairly ordinary. In the championship you won’t find any other club with a fan base that actively encourages an atmosphere like we do at town but that doesn’t mean to say it’s the best atmosphere in the league because it isn’t. I just think at the moment we have a fan base who are lost and detached from town and it’s reflected in the atmosphere. You are right, there’s more to the Cowshed Loyal in that stadium, but I don’t see any drastic improvement no matter what a group like the CL14 or any other bunch or single fan does will matter until there is a clear plan, focus and direction from the club. Despite the fact I’m in the CL14, I’m far from attached to town like I was before the start of the season. That’s solely down to decisions made beyond all our control. I suspect that’s the case for the vast majority of fans, sadly. And I’m not saying it’s right, but that’s what I suspect it is. Apologies. I do feel for you guys. The effort you put it in to try and create atmosphere is excellent. My point was that, others should also get involved. The other 3 stands all they do is clap or sing stand up if you love the town. I understand not everyone can or wants to stand and sing. But having pockets of fans in other areas too who are willing to get some form of atmosphere going I feel would work. CSL have made games more fun and enjoyable for me personally. And hats off to you with your involvement. |
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Post by Drew Peacock on Oct 10, 2022 13:38:41 GMT 1
Feels to me that there's a large percentage of fans that just aren't ready to back the club yet.
They turn up to games already annoyed, because they're still upset at Hoyle and Bromby.
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