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Post by townohiofan on Oct 12, 2022 12:25:16 GMT 1
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Post by mosher on Oct 12, 2022 12:30:21 GMT 1
About bloody time.
The myth that televising games at 3pm on a Saturday will be a detriment to crowd figures has been peddled for far too long.
Those that want to watch in the stadium will STILL want to watch in the stadium.
Especially after the enforced absence that Covid forced on us.
There may be a small minority who give up their traditional trek to the stadium itself, but as we found out during Covid lockdown, people miss the whole day's routine more than the actual match itself.
I certainly won't miss a home game from next season as I can now afford a Season Ticket after having to rely on friends' generosity for the past 4 years!
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Oct 12, 2022 13:07:40 GMT 1
I only miss games when I have to. And then being able to watch them on telly is a poor second, but better than nowt. And so much revenue is lost to Hesgoal and other dodgy streamers that this approach has to be sensible.
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Post by alexdire on Oct 12, 2022 13:13:26 GMT 1
At the end of the 20/21 season iFollow sent out a questionnaire. Now as you know all questionnaires are designed to produce the answers they are looking for. All the questions were around what impact on your attendance would be if all the games were streamed. Would you still attend away games if they game was streamed. So on and so forth. So they've been thinking about this for awhile and comes as no shock to me.
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Post by detox on Oct 12, 2022 13:33:51 GMT 1
they'll be including pay to view fans as part of the 'gate' next...
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Oct 12, 2022 14:00:36 GMT 1
they'll be including pay to view fans as part of the 'gate' next... They already do at Bradford. |
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Post by Tango on Oct 12, 2022 14:19:05 GMT 1
...it's this bit in the middle of the talkSport article that is interesting:
Making every game available to watch for fans would end the 3pm blackout that has been in place since the 1960s to help maintain attendance levels in stadiums.
The blackout only applies to when 50 per cent of Premier League and Championship matches are due to kick off at 3pm on Saturday, so moving half of the programme to another time would enable all games to be televised.
If not, the EFL would have to lobby the Football Association, who would then have to apply to UEFA for an exemption, to drop the long-standing blackout arrangement.
So, unless the law is changed; in order to have all games from all teams, fewer than 50% of matches would then be held at 3pm on a Saturday.
Also, another point which is missed is that it's not just the EFL gates which may or may not be affected by TV at 3pm, it's the non-league gates and local District League footballers who are more likely to watch EFL on TV at 3pm rather than go to watch or play non-league - which has an adverse affect on the smaller club (of which attendances are a bigger part of their turnover).
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Post by townohiofan on Oct 12, 2022 14:20:33 GMT 1
My biggest surprise was the money. It seems like far too little. Rights deals have been exploding with the introduction of all these streaming platforms to the marketplace. The increase here seems to be mostly from the moving of matches from 3PM on Saturdays/removal of blackouts. The 200M figure is closer to what I'd expect if no changes were to be made. With these changes I'd have thought they'd be expecting at least 350M.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Oct 12, 2022 14:26:51 GMT 1
Its about time to be honest. When we were in the PL I really enjoyed the fact that I could watch every game. Even if I was occupied I could watch them on demand later. The EFL has thrown Billions of pounds down the drain over the years with its archaic policies. You would imagine that the PL is none too happy about this as it will take away some of their audience, and the extra injection of cash into the Championship should help to close the gap somewhat.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Oct 12, 2022 14:29:12 GMT 1
...it's this bit in the middle of the talkSport article that is interesting: Making every game available to watch for fans would end the 3pm blackout that has been in place since the 1960s to help maintain attendance levels in stadiums. The blackout only applies to when 50 per cent of Premier League and Championship matches are due to kick off at 3pm on Saturday, so moving half of the programme to another time would enable all games to be televised.If not, the EFL would have to lobby the Football Association, who would then have to apply to UEFA for an exemption, to drop the long-standing blackout arrangement. So, unless the law is changed; in order to have all games from all teams, fewer than 50% of matches would then be held at 3pm on a Saturday. Also, another point which is missed is that it's not just the EFL gates which may or may not be affected by TV at 3pm, it's the non-league gates and local District League footballers who are more likely to watch EFL on TV at 3pm rather than go to watch or play non-league - which has an adverse affect on the smaller club (of which attendances are a bigger part of their turnover). This frequently happens anyway - what with the lunch and tea time fixtures on a Saturday and with the Europa League teams playing on Sundays etc. This Saturday there are 2 EPL games at 3pm. Same next week. |
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Post by Tango on Oct 12, 2022 14:45:34 GMT 1
I agree regarding the EPL, but it would definitely be a watershed moment for English Football if more than half of the 92 teams weren't allowed to kick off at 3pm - every Saturday!
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 12, 2022 14:50:37 GMT 1
I agree regarding the EPL, but it would definitely be a watershed moment for English Football if more than half of the 92 teams weren't allowed to kick off at 3pm - every Saturday! Simple, 3.15 kick offs… |
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Post by Tango on Oct 12, 2022 14:55:36 GMT 1
I agree regarding the EPL, but it would definitely be a watershed moment for English Football if more than half of the 92 teams weren't allowed to kick off at 3pm - every Saturday! Simple, 3.15 kick offs… I think the official ruling is no live football to be shown on TV between 3pm and 5:15pm on a Saturday (even from other countries). |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 12, 2022 14:56:12 GMT 1
I think the official ruling is no live football to be shown on TV between 3pm and 5:15pm on a Saturday (even from other countries). Always a loophole… 😉 |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 12, 2022 15:22:01 GMT 1
Hate watching Town on the tv..
Even though I know I cant get to many away games anymore, I still dread having to watch on tv, yes you have to watch, you know you do...😔
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Post by mosher on Oct 12, 2022 15:37:51 GMT 1
Hate watching Town on the tv.. Even though I know I cant get to many away games anymore, I still dread having to watch on tv, yes you have to watch, you know you do...😔 That's probably because we ALWAYS do shit on the telly. Accrington FA Cup, 2 or 3 Barnsley batterings including I think a 7-1 and 6-0 to name just a couple. I remember the away fans at the 7-1 were brilliant; half time score 6-0 and we were singing "we're gonna win 7-6". At least we drew the 2nd half  |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Oct 12, 2022 15:52:02 GMT 1
It does make you wonder what the long term future holds though. The vast majority of posters here are of an age where wall to wall TV coverage of football is still comparatively recent.
What about the children of those who are currently say in primary school now. Will that generational thing of being introduced to a live game by a parent or other adult still hold as true? The stats suggest with the current crowd figures that there are still plenty prepared to turn up in person each week but if not only you but your dad has always known easy access to televised sport will we get more inclined to have small gatherings round a TV and save on the ever increasing travel fees to get to stadia? Zoom parties for each live game?
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 12, 2022 16:27:44 GMT 1
Hate watching Town on the tv.. Even though I know I cant get to many away games anymore, I still dread having to watch on tv, yes you have to watch, you know you do...😔 That's probably because we ALWAYS do shit on the telly. Accrington FA Cup, 2 or 3 Barnsley batterings including I think a 7-1 and 6-0 to name just a couple. I remember the away fans at the 7-1 were brilliant; half time score 6-0 and we were singing "we're gonna win 7-6". At least we drew the 2nd half We have won a lot of away tv games, was at quite a few but even when we win I have hardly ever enjoyed the tv experience. We try to get together and make it more like going but I just walk up and down and cant settle.. |
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Oct 12, 2022 18:51:28 GMT 1
We don’t need any more money in football.
It will just mean that the players cost more, get paid more and their agents get more money.
If every club gets more money then the financial playing field will be the same.
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Post by andyeastleake on Oct 12, 2022 19:19:25 GMT 1
About bloody time. The myth that televising games at 3pm on a Saturday will be a detriment to crowd figures has been peddled for far too long. Those that want to watch in the stadium will STILL want to watch in the stadium. Especially after the enforced absence that Covid forced on us. There may be a small minority who give up their traditional trek to the stadium itself, but as we found out during Covid lockdown, people miss the whole day's routine more than the actual match itself. I certainly won't miss a home game from next season as I can now afford a Season Ticket after having to rely on friends' generosity for the past 4 years! I tend to agree with you regarding fans who live locally. ....but what about away fans and fans who have to travel? I'm currently paying around three times more to travel to a home game compared to my ticket price. I'm lucky I can afford it (or perhaps that should read "daft enough to justify it"). Not surprised many don't. The time and cost involved for local fans for watching in the stadium and on TV may not differ that much but for those having to travel it certainly does (& the time element is important). ...& the atmosphere generated by away fans is a vital part of why football is enjoyable. PS ....& the drive up the f*****g M1 is part of my routine I'd gladly forego. |
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Post by Wingman on Oct 12, 2022 20:03:57 GMT 1
My biggest surprise was the money. It seems like far too little. Rights deals have been exploding with the introduction of all these streaming platforms to the marketplace. The increase here seems to be mostly from the moving of matches from 3PM on Saturdays/removal of blackouts. The 200M figure is closer to what I'd expect if no changes were to be made. With these changes I'd have thought they'd be expecting at least 350M. The EFL received £595m for the last tv deal, which seems low? This time they’re offering approx 1,900 matches across the league, EFL trophy, pizza trophy and the playoff’s - every game available - it feels like they’re offering out the family silverware. The changes will happen as Rick Parry is hellbent on killing off the parachute payments so he has to plug that hole somehow. |
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Post by pinstripe on Oct 12, 2022 20:46:00 GMT 1
I only miss games when I have to. And then being able to watch them on telly is a poor second, but better than nowt. And so much revenue is lost to Hesgoal and other dodgy streamers that this approach has to be sensible. As someone who sadly now lives outside of the UK, the fact that I watched the Hull City match on Hesgoal despite me wanting to pay (have the IFollow season pass) for a great quality stream of each game, seems utterly baffling.. as much as I’d love to fly the flag of piracy or rip off England’s T.V licensing system through a VPN; ‘perhaps’ there’s another way! |
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Post by townohiofan on Oct 12, 2022 20:58:17 GMT 1
My biggest surprise was the money. It seems like far too little. Rights deals have been exploding with the introduction of all these streaming platforms to the marketplace. The increase here seems to be mostly from the moving of matches from 3PM on Saturdays/removal of blackouts. The 200M figure is closer to what I'd expect if no changes were to be made. With these changes I'd have thought they'd be expecting at least 350M. The EFL received £595m for the last tv deal, which seems low? This time they’re offering approx 1,900 matches across the league, EFL trophy, pizza trophy and the playoff’s - every game available - it feels like they’re offering out the family silverware. The changes will happen as Rick Parry is hellbent on killing off the parachute payments so he has to plug that hole somehow. I think £200M per year would be low for that amount of matches considering how much the EFL are getting currently for a fraction of that many matches. In 2020, the Belgium top 2 divisions made what appears to be a similar deal for €103M for 30 clubs. The top 2 divisions of Belgium seem like a decent comparison to the EFL from a national interest perspective and they are getting more money per club. I would expect there to be more money per year per club in the EFL than what was negotiated in Belgium 2 years prior (assuming similar contract lengths). Then there is all the streaming platforms that have entered the fray as well which I would expect to further push the price upwards. That was most of my rationale for the £200M per year figure being comparatively low. Sorry if that doesnt fully answer the question. I struggled to tell if you were agreeing/disagreeing with that assessment and what you wanted me to clarify (lost in translation between English and whatever we speak on this side of the pond). |
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Post by 28901 on Oct 12, 2022 22:49:59 GMT 1
they'll be including pay to view fans as part of the 'gate' next... They already do at Bradford. Were they go Town follow where false attendances are concerned. |
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Post by nicovaesen on Oct 12, 2022 23:23:55 GMT 1
It’s another nail in the coffin for the new world order. Stay at home order everything you need on your phones. No need for stadiums or crowds or trouble. We proved that during the scamdemic I mean covid thingy. Stay in your pods and consume next product. Just one more generation will realise with all the made up identity political confusion going outside is toxic so just work, live and breathe at home. Very Orwellian
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Post by townohiofan on Oct 13, 2022 1:46:08 GMT 1
It’s another nail in the coffin for the new world order. Stay at home order everything you need on your phones. No need for stadiums or crowds or trouble. We proved that during the scamdemic I mean covid thingy. Stay in your pods and consume next product. Just one more generation will realise with all the made up identity political confusion going outside is toxic so just work, live and breathe at home. Very Orwellian Good to hear that your padded room has Internet service. Now let's pivot the discussion back towards the thoughts of functional adults. Edit: apologies if the New World Order you referenced includes Hulk Hogan, Scott Hall, and Kevin Nash. Those guys were a true menace. |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Oct 13, 2022 9:01:35 GMT 1
It’s another nail in the coffin for the new world order. Stay at home order everything you need on your phones. No need for stadiums or crowds or trouble. We proved that during the scamdemic I mean covid thingy. Stay in your pods and consume next product. Just one more generation will realise with all the made up identity political confusion going outside is toxic so just work, live and breathe at home. Very Orwellian Thing is it's already very easy to watch all of Town's league games via either a dodgy boxes or streaming sites. Ive managed to see every Town match this season despite not physically being to any of the away matches, although I am off on Saturday). The Clubs might as well make some profit from people watching at home. I do think having the capability to watch at home though will affect attendances. I know I'm less likely to attend an away game now I can watch em at home. |
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Post by leytherterrier on Oct 13, 2022 10:07:41 GMT 1
The blackout will never impact us but will impact the non league clubs. That’s where the impact will be made, town could be playing Reading away and you might think I cba going there so instead I’ll go watch Golcar or another non league club so you still get that football fix. If Town was easily accessible to watch on tele then you might not go watch the non league football and them clubs will miss out on pay on the day walk up fans.
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Post by ram on Oct 13, 2022 10:20:11 GMT 1
Could spell the end of stupid kick-off times.12.30 0n a Sunday for example
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Post by mosher on Oct 13, 2022 10:23:50 GMT 1
The blackout will never impact us but will impact the non league clubs. That’s where the impact will be made, town could be playing Reading away and you might think I cba going there so instead I’ll go watch Golcar or another non league club so you still get that football fix. If Town was easily accessible to watch on tele then you might not go watch the non league football and them clubs will miss out on pay on the day walk up fans. Never thought about that actually. I know a few people who watch Fax when Town are away so it may affect them, although I know at least one of them hates watching TV football so probably wouldn't change her routine. It's not the same watching on a box, certainly a better experience "in person" than on a TV. I certainly wouldn't reject a live game over a televised one. But you're probably right and a high percentage of those who alternate between Town and non-league would just watch on telly, especially when the weather's shit. |
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