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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 24, 2023 12:03:30 GMT 1
The only real shocker I can remember during that time was the 6-1 hammering at Man City. We were really poor that day, against it has to be said a very good side.
I think generally speaking most of the games were more competitive that the corresponding fixture from the season before. Occasionally we looked easily second best, but not as many times I dont think. We seemed to be on the wrong end of a lot of results that could have gone either way.
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Post by dm on Jan 24, 2023 12:12:23 GMT 1
The only real shocker I can remember during that time was the 6-1 hammering at Man City. We were really poor that day, against it has to be said a very good side. I think generally speaking most of the games were more competitive that the corresponding fixture from the season before. Occasionally we looked easily second best, but not as many times I dont think. We seemed to be on the wrong end of a lot of results that could have gone either way. This is how I remember it - edged in the vast majority of games, hammered in some others with only a pitiful few where we took 3 points. As it has been for most of the last 20 years, we just didn't threaten nor score enough. It meant we were always looking likely to drop in that second PL season.
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Post by hthp on Jan 24, 2023 12:17:21 GMT 1
The only real shocker I can remember during that time was the 6-1 hammering at Man City. We were really poor that day, against it has to be said a very good side. I think generally speaking most of the games were more competitive that the corresponding fixture from the season before. Occasionally we looked easily second best, but not as many times I dont think. We seemed to be on the wrong end of a lot of results that could have gone either way. Chelsea at home, Cardiff at home, Leicester away, Tottenham at home, Watford away, Newcastle at home, Southampton at home, Fulham away and Cardiff away were all very poor performances that season. Fulham in particular was disgraceful, not just the performance but the way he set up with six defenders on the pitch against a team that were bottom of the table. I loved Wagner, but he just lost the plot towards the end.
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Post by irverino on Jan 24, 2023 12:33:04 GMT 1
The only real shocker I can remember during that time was the 6-1 hammering at Man City. We were really poor that day, against it has to be said a very good side. I think generally speaking most of the games were more competitive that the corresponding fixture from the season before. Occasionally we looked easily second best, but not as many times I dont think. We seemed to be on the wrong end of a lot of results that could have gone either way. Watford defeat was the worse having been the best 12 months earlier, at Everton, Burnley & Bournemouth away we should have had 3 points from each (their fans agreed too), after our only away victory at Wolves (25 Nov) we were 14th & playing well.........No one would have predicted DW would be gone 6 weeks later.
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Post by griffa on Jan 24, 2023 12:41:53 GMT 1
The only real shocker I can remember during that time was the 6-1 hammering at Man City. We were really poor that day, against it has to be said a very good side. I think generally speaking most of the games were more competitive that the corresponding fixture from the season before. Occasionally we looked easily second best, but not as many times I dont think. We seemed to be on the wrong end of a lot of results that could have gone either way. Watford defeat was the worse having been the best 12 months earlier, at Everton, Burnley & Bournemouth away we should have had 3 points from each (their fans agreed too), after our only away victory at Wolves (25 Nov) we were 14th & playing well.........No one would have predicted DW would be gone 6 weeks later. We started the season in dispute with Jonas Lossl, David Wagner refused to pick him, due to Jonas being alledgly, returning to Town overweight! Ben Hamer was selected as Lossl's replacement. Hamer's mistakes on the day ensured that Town, would be heavily beaten, sadly Ben Hamer was not good enough, Lossl was reinstated as a result of a match day injury - UTT.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 24, 2023 12:49:58 GMT 1
The only real shocker I can remember during that time was the 6-1 hammering at Man City. We were really poor that day, against it has to be said a very good side. I think generally speaking most of the games were more competitive that the corresponding fixture from the season before. Occasionally we looked easily second best, but not as many times I dont think. We seemed to be on the wrong end of a lot of results that could have gone either way. Chelsea at home, Cardiff at home, Leicester away, Tottenham at home, Watford away, Newcastle at home, Southampton at home, Fulham away and Cardiff away were all very poor performances that season. Fulham in particular was disgraceful, not just the performance but the way he set up with six defenders on the pitch against a team that were bottom of the table. I loved Wagner, but he just lost the plot towards the end. Dont really remember it like that. Chelsea at home was 3-0, but it wasnt a 3-0 game if you know what I mean. Same for spurs at home. It was 2-0,,we had chances to get a result. The previous season it was 4-0 and we were never in it. Cardiff at home was when Hogg got sent off and we played half an hour with 10, but it was game we dominated overall and the away game was the infamous penalty.. oh no Ill change my mind it isnt a penalty. Palace at home, we somehow contrived to lose 1-0 in a game we'd been by far the better side. Of the 15 games we lost under Wagner that season, 8 of them were by a single goal in really tight matches, and on another day they were games we might have won. And the draws.. West Ham at home, Burnley away...2 games we really should have won. Think we could have played to the same standard but easily had another 8-12 points with just our fair share of luck.
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Post by space hardware on Jan 24, 2023 13:23:54 GMT 1
The only real shocker I can remember during that time was the 6-1 hammering at Man City. We were really poor that day, against it has to be said a very good side. I think generally speaking most of the games were more competitive that the corresponding fixture from the season before. Occasionally we looked easily second best, but not as many times I dont think. We seemed to be on the wrong end of a lot of results that could have gone either way. Chelsea at home, Cardiff at home, Leicester away, Tottenham at home, Watford away, Newcastle at home, Southampton at home, Fulham away and Cardiff away were all very poor performances that season. Fulham in particular was disgraceful, not just the performance but the way he set up with six defenders on the pitch against a team that were bottom of the table. I loved Wagner, but he just lost the plot towards the end. We were poor against Newcastle but walking out after the Southampton game, where we didn't really lay a glove on a dog shit side, I knew we were doomed then.
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Post by hthp on Jan 24, 2023 14:42:59 GMT 1
Chelsea at home, Cardiff at home, Leicester away, Tottenham at home, Watford away, Newcastle at home, Southampton at home, Fulham away and Cardiff away were all very poor performances that season. Fulham in particular was disgraceful, not just the performance but the way he set up with six defenders on the pitch against a team that were bottom of the table. I loved Wagner, but he just lost the plot towards the end. We were poor against Newcastle but walking out after the Southampton game, where we didn't really lay a glove on a dog shit side, I knew we were doomed then. I never bought this bad luck mentality, you make your own luck. We didn't win a game until November that season, that just summed it up. But you weren't allowed to say anything at the time because you were just accused of being negative.
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Post by hthp on Jan 24, 2023 14:43:54 GMT 1
Chelsea at home, Cardiff at home, Leicester away, Tottenham at home, Watford away, Newcastle at home, Southampton at home, Fulham away and Cardiff away were all very poor performances that season. Fulham in particular was disgraceful, not just the performance but the way he set up with six defenders on the pitch against a team that were bottom of the table. I loved Wagner, but he just lost the plot towards the end. Dont really remember it like that. Chelsea at home was 3-0, but it wasnt a 3-0 game if you know what I mean. Same for spurs at home. It was 2-0,,we had chances to get a result. The previous season it was 4-0 and we were never in it. Cardiff at home was when Hogg got sent off and we played half an hour with 10, but it was game we dominated overall and the away game was the infamous penalty.. oh no Ill change my mind it isnt a penalty. Palace at home, we somehow contrived to lose 1-0 in a game we'd been by far the better side. Of the 15 games we lost under Wagner that season, 8 of them were by a single goal in really tight matches, and on another day they were games we might have won. And the draws.. West Ham at home, Burnley away...2 games we really should have won. Think we could have played to the same standard but easily had another 8-12 points with just our fair share of luck. We could have won that Burnley match but Wagner was hell-bent on the draw. We were literally smashing the ball back to our goalkeeper from corners towards the end of the game. Unbelievable.
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Post by griffa on Jan 24, 2023 16:06:11 GMT 1
Chelsea at home, Cardiff at home, Leicester away, Tottenham at home, Watford away, Newcastle at home, Southampton at home, Fulham away and Cardiff away were all very poor performances that season. Fulham in particular was disgraceful, not just the performance but the way he set up with six defenders on the pitch against a team that were bottom of the table. I loved Wagner, but he just lost the plot towards the end. Dont really remember it like that. Chelsea at home was 3-0, but it wasnt a 3-0 game if you know what I mean. Same for spurs at home. It was 2-0,,we had chances to get a result. The previous season it was 4-0 and we were never in it. Cardiff at home was when Hogg got sent off and we played half an hour with 10, but it was game we dominated overall and the away game was the infamous penalty.. oh no Ill change my mind it isnt a penalty. Palace at home, we somehow contrived to lose 1-0 in a game we'd been by far the better side. Of the 15 games we lost under Wagner that season, 8 of them were by a single goal in really tight matches, and on another day they were games we might have won. And the draws.. West Ham at home, Burnley away...2 games we really should have won. Think we could have played to the same standard but easily had another 8-12 points with just our fair share of luck. Water under the bridge, but we were very unlucky. due to numerous dodgy referring decisions, final one was Cardiff v Town, when the ref awarded a legitimate penalty, to Town, then change his mind after Cardiff players & consulting the lino. Stone wall penalty, but the ref bottled it, in frustration DW left Town & the rest is history - UTT.
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Post by hthp on Jan 24, 2023 16:07:35 GMT 1
Dont really remember it like that. Chelsea at home was 3-0, but it wasnt a 3-0 game if you know what I mean. Same for spurs at home. It was 2-0,,we had chances to get a result. The previous season it was 4-0 and we were never in it. Cardiff at home was when Hogg got sent off and we played half an hour with 10, but it was game we dominated overall and the away game was the infamous penalty.. oh no Ill change my mind it isnt a penalty. Palace at home, we somehow contrived to lose 1-0 in a game we'd been by far the better side. Of the 15 games we lost under Wagner that season, 8 of them were by a single goal in really tight matches, and on another day they were games we might have won. And the draws.. West Ham at home, Burnley away...2 games we really should have won. Think we could have played to the same standard but easily had another 8-12 points with just our fair share of luck. Water under the bridge, but we were very unlucky. due to numerous dodgy referring decisions, final one was Cardiff v Town, when the ref awarded a legitimate penalty, to Town, then change his mind after Cardiff players & consulting the lino. Stone wall penalty, but the ref bottled it, in frustration DW left Town & the rest is history - UTT. You're don't end up bottom of the table due to refereeing decisions.
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Post by Carlito Brigante on Jan 24, 2023 17:40:44 GMT 1
Chelsea at home, Cardiff at home, Leicester away, Tottenham at home, Watford away, Newcastle at home, Southampton at home, Fulham away and Cardiff away were all very poor performances that season. Fulham in particular was disgraceful, not just the performance but the way he set up with six defenders on the pitch against a team that were bottom of the table. I loved Wagner, but he just lost the plot towards the end. Dont really remember it like that. Chelsea at home was 3-0, but it wasnt a 3-0 game if you know what I mean. Same for spurs at home. It was 2-0,,we had chances to get a result. The previous season it was 4-0 and we were never in it. Cardiff at home was when Hogg got sent off and we played half an hour with 10, but it was game we dominated overall and the away game was the infamous penalty.. oh no Ill change my mind it isnt a penalty. Palace at home, we somehow contrived to lose 1-0 in a game we'd been by far the better side. Of the 15 games we lost under Wagner that season, 8 of them were by a single goal in really tight matches, and on another day they were games we might have won. And the draws.. West Ham at home, Burnley away...2 games we really should have won. Think we could have played to the same standard but easily had another 8-12 points with just our fair share of luck. I have heard that enough this season thanks
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 24, 2023 17:46:25 GMT 1
Water under the bridge, but we were very unlucky. due to numerous dodgy referring decisions, final one was Cardiff v Town, when the ref awarded a legitimate penalty, to Town, then change his mind after Cardiff players & consulting the lino. Stone wall penalty, but the ref bottled it, in frustration DW left Town & the rest is history - UTT. You're don't end up bottom of the table due to refereeing decisions. I think the reffing and the general lack of any rub of the green, ground us down by xmas. Certainly ground Wagner down. The Brighton home game sticks out for the absolute stone wall pen we should have had when we were 1-0 up and Mounies sending off. Bournemouth away where we totally outplayed them and still lost 2-1. Liverpool at home where it was a really even game, but they hit the post and it went in,, we hit the post and it stayed out. Such fine lines. Just so many games in that spell where I thought our general play deserved something from it, but we ended up getting nothing. We were 15th after beating Wolves in November and I can remember thinking after that game how we looked a much more competitive PL team than we had done the season before..but then on it just seemed like we couldn't catch a break of any kind. Anything that could go against us, would. But going back to the original point, I just think the football we played in many of those games up to xmas was the best wed played under Wagner, even if the results dont really support that.
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Post by griffa on Jan 24, 2023 18:02:09 GMT 1
Water under the bridge, but we were very unlucky. due to numerous dodgy referring decisions, final one was Cardiff v Town, when the ref awarded a legitimate penalty, to Town, then change his mind after Cardiff players & consulting the lino. Stone wall penalty, but the ref bottled it, in frustration DW left Town & the rest is history - UTT. You're don't end up bottom of the table due to refereeing decisions. It's ironic that the following season VAR was introduced, we were subjected to some very dodgy reffing decisions, so much so that DW jumped ship! Cannot claim that that under Jan Siewert, we suffered from bad referring decisions. Referees can change matches & results, remember our old friend Jon Moss, I rest my case - UTT.
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Post by hthp on Jan 24, 2023 22:58:52 GMT 1
You're don't end up bottom of the table due to refereeing decisions. It's ironic that the following season VAR was introduced, we were subjected to some very dodgy reffing decisions, so much so that DW jumped ship! Cannot claim that that under Jan Siewert, we suffered from bad referring decisions. Referees can change matches & results, remember our old friend Jon Moss, I rest my case - UTT. So all the games under Wagner we lost due to refereeing decisions and all the games under Siewert we lost because Siewert was shit 😂
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Post by space hardware on Jan 24, 2023 23:10:49 GMT 1
It's ironic that the following season VAR was introduced, we were subjected to some very dodgy reffing decisions, so much so that DW jumped ship! Cannot claim that that under Jan Siewert, we suffered from bad referring decisions. Referees can change matches & results, remember our old friend Jon Moss, I rest my case - UTT. So all the games under Wagner we lost due to refereeing decisions and all the games under Siewert we lost because Siewert was shit 😂 He was shit though, wasn't he? I mean really, REALLY shit.
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Post by griffa on Jan 25, 2023 0:24:09 GMT 1
It's ironic that the following season VAR was introduced, we were subjected to some very dodgy reffing decisions, so much so that DW jumped ship! Cannot claim that that under Jan Siewert, we suffered from bad referring decisions. Referees can change matches & results, remember our old friend Jon Moss, I rest my case - UTT. So all the games under Wagner we lost due to refereeing decisions and all the games under Siewert we lost because Siewert was shit 😂 Don't be ridiculous, your words, not mine & by the way, as we know Jan Siewert, was an unsuitable replacement for David Wagner - UTT.
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Post by hthp on Jan 25, 2023 10:14:10 GMT 1
So all the games under Wagner we lost due to refereeing decisions and all the games under Siewert we lost because Siewert was shit 😂 He was shit though, wasn't he? I mean really, REALLY shit. He was and so was Wagner that season. We were shit and deserved to get relegated.
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Post by hthp on Jan 25, 2023 10:14:54 GMT 1
So all the games under Wagner we lost due to refereeing decisions and all the games under Siewert we lost because Siewert was shit 😂 Don't be ridiculous, your words, not mine & by the way, as we know Jan Siewert, was an unsuitable replacement for David Wagner - UTT. It's what you were implying. And yes, obviously he was an unsuitable replacement.
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Post by griffa on Jan 25, 2023 11:47:17 GMT 1
Don't be ridiculous, your words, not mine & by the way, as we know Jan Siewert, was an unsuitable replacement for David Wagner - UTT. It's what you were implying. And yes, obviously he was an unsuitable replacement. My point was that we suffered from a series of bad decisions by match officials in the 1st part of 2018/19 season, you've jumped to the completely wrong conclusion! To clarify, we legitimately lost matches under David Wagner, because were often outplayed by better teams - UTT.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 25, 2023 11:54:03 GMT 1
Corboran being linked to the Everton job in the press this morning. Would be a better option than Bielsa
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2023 12:39:08 GMT 1
Corboran being linked to the Everton job in the press this morning. Would be a better option than Bielsa That would be hilarious seeing all the Baggies fans up in arms if this was to happen!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2023 12:40:48 GMT 1
It's what you were implying. And yes, obviously he was an unsuitable replacement. My point was that we suffered from a series of bad decisions by match officials in the 1st part of 2018/19 season, you've jumped to the completely wrong conclusion! To clarify, we legitimately lost matches under David Wagner, because were often outplayed by better teams - UTT. And didn't have a world class striker with the requisite conversion ratio for the 1-2 chances we may have created per match.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 25, 2023 13:08:09 GMT 1
Corboran being linked to the Everton job in the press this morning. Would be a better option than Bielsa That would be hilarious seeing all the Baggies fans up in arms if this was to happen! If hes offered it then he'll take it. He wont show them any loyalty I wouldn't think, certainly not when they face all sorts of financial adjustments to save money if they dont go up this season.
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Post by 28901 on Jan 25, 2023 13:53:14 GMT 1
My point was that we suffered from a series of bad decisions by match officials in the 1st part of 2018/19 season, you've jumped to the completely wrong conclusion! To clarify, we legitimately lost matches under David Wagner, because were often outplayed by better teams - UTT. And didn't have a world class striker with the requisite conversion ratio for the 1-2 chances we may have created per match. Thats about all we create now
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Post by ACW on Jan 28, 2023 13:16:06 GMT 1
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