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Post by reverendstarbuck on Oct 12, 2023 13:41:08 GMT 1
We have to simply let KN, KD and Kirklees continue dialogue with a view to changing the ownership structure. The current model isn’t working and there’s no money available for the urgent capex requirements needed under the current arrangements. Allowing it to continue longer term is not an option as it will eventually be closed down as unsafe. I get the suspicion of some - I along with some on here protested at Ken Davy’s antics with the shares, but sadly DH didn’t deliver his side of the bargain either as far as I am aware so it remains a bit of a mess. I welcome KN entering into dialogue on this - it shows along with other fan related actions that he wants bigger crowds spending more time and money at facilities which are acknowledged to need improving. Having just been to a bundesliga game I have to say it’s worlds apart from a supporter perspective. The football ain’t the best standard, but the fan zones, infrastructure, facilities etc embarrass us………everything is centred around fans enjoying a day out. Not rip off pricing and crap service for 2 hrs then piss off home having vented your spleen like a number of clubs provide here. Hopefully a common ground can be found. I do wonder if a lot of this stuff has more appeal to a ‘tourist’ type fan. If you’re over here from Singapore or wherever I bet youd also have a grand day out in the Old Trafford superstore, go into a big marquee and swill rubbish lager with a big screen and loads of folk, take in a game and eat out etc. Nothing against them, but I’m pretty sure a fan zone at Town is not something I’d ever contemplate spending time in pre or post match, likewise the last thing I could imagine doing on a matchday is going into a shop and buying a replica shirt….and more importantly, there’s not many tourists who would do that either. We need to get promoted. Until then, all this stuff is going to be just playing at it…but…definitely need to get going now and heading in the right direction, so that if and when the opportunity comes along, the club can ride the this time instead of meekly saying “our job was to get promoted, we didnt really have an idea of what comes next”. Maybe there are 10,000 regular attendees who'd never go near a fan zone, or spend more than at present on decent merch/food/beer etc. Maybe there are 5,000 who might. There are then still 7,000+ empty seats which need filling, by 'floating' fans who probably would. Not sure why anyone would think this needs to take away from the playing side. Surely a fan zone/better offerings would pay for itself? If all you care about is turning up at 2.55 and watching the game, you'll still be able to do that. But history shows us that apart from two seasons in the 30 years the stadium has been open, that prospect alone has not been enough to even come close to filling the ground.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Oct 12, 2023 14:09:03 GMT 1
It’s like anything in life, you have to move with the times to create financial uptake, nobody likes change but we nearly all eventually adapt and start using the things we at first refuse to go near. Be it mobile phones , the internet , online banking, air fryers , electric cars etc. if the club wants to move forward , we need to get with the program and move with the times you don’t need everyone on board you just need enough to make more money, it doesn’t effect those who don’t wish to contribute but you never know you may enjoy the changes give it a go.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 12, 2023 15:49:23 GMT 1
I do wonder if a lot of this stuff has more appeal to a ‘tourist’ type fan. If you’re over here from Singapore or wherever I bet youd also have a grand day out in the Old Trafford superstore, go into a big marquee and swill rubbish lager with a big screen and loads of folk, take in a game and eat out etc. Nothing against them, but I’m pretty sure a fan zone at Town is not something I’d ever contemplate spending time in pre or post match, likewise the last thing I could imagine doing on a matchday is going into a shop and buying a replica shirt….and more importantly, there’s not many tourists who would do that either. We need to get promoted. Until then, all this stuff is going to be just playing at it…but…definitely need to get going now and heading in the right direction, so that if and when the opportunity comes along, the club can ride the this time instead of meekly saying “our job was to get promoted, we didnt really have an idea of what comes next”. Maybe there are 10,000 regular attendees who'd never go near a fan zone, or spend more than at present on decent merch/food/beer etc. Maybe there are 5,000 who might. There are then still 7,000+ empty seats which need filling, by 'floating' fans who probably would. Not sure why anyone would think this needs to take away from the playing side. Surely a fan zone/better offerings would pay for itself? If all you care about is turning up at 2.55 and watching the game, you'll still be able to do that. But history shows us that apart from two seasons in the 30 years the stadium has been open, that prospect alone has not been enough to even come close to filling the ground.Even during successful times, we've very rarely filled either ground.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Oct 12, 2023 15:56:05 GMT 1
I do wonder if a lot of this stuff has more appeal to a ‘tourist’ type fan. If you’re over here from Singapore or wherever I bet youd also have a grand day out in the Old Trafford superstore, go into a big marquee and swill rubbish lager with a big screen and loads of folk, take in a game and eat out etc. Nothing against them, but I’m pretty sure a fan zone at Town is not something I’d ever contemplate spending time in pre or post match, likewise the last thing I could imagine doing on a matchday is going into a shop and buying a replica shirt….and more importantly, there’s not many tourists who would do that either. We need to get promoted. Until then, all this stuff is going to be just playing at it…but…definitely need to get going now and heading in the right direction, so that if and when the opportunity comes along, the club can ride the this time instead of meekly saying “our job was to get promoted, we didnt really have an idea of what comes next”. Maybe there are 10,000 regular attendees who'd never go near a fan zone, or spend more than at present on decent merch/food/beer etc. Maybe there are 5,000 who might. There are then still 7,000+ empty seats which need filling, by 'floating' fans who probably would. Not sure why anyone would think this needs to take away from the playing side. Surely a fan zone/better offerings would pay for itself? If all you care about is turning up at 2.55 and watching the game, you'll still be able to do that. But history shows us that apart from two seasons in the 30 years the stadium has been open, that prospect alone has not been enough to even come close to filling the ground. There's nowhere near 5,000 who might be interested in a fan zone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 16:36:36 GMT 1
Do you think they would get planning permission to turn it into flats? Also, given the millions it would cost to demolish it, do you think the sums would add up if they did? It is in the middle of an industrial and commercial area. That does not make it ‘hot property’ for houses. Whoever ended up with it would have a sports stadium on their hands. All they could do is try and maximise the profit, which could affect Town, or sell it, and I’m not sure there would be a very long queue of potential buyers. The person getting it may not want to demolish it for housing or whatever. A football club needs a stadium. If an individual has ownership of said stadium they could if they wanted, hold the club to ransom in regards to rent to use it. The club have then got 2 options; pay the rent or move out and build a new stadium. Its OK fans saying they trust Nagle to do what's right here and now, but with something like this you've got to have more long term thinking as lot can go sour very quickly with individuals as we have well seen at HTFC in the not so recent past. It is a point and Ken ‘The Mekon’ Davy had the club in an awkward position regarding rights to the stadium, which took a long time to sort out. The problem is the Giants don’t have much revenue and Kirklees want out. Hooking the stadium, with it’s costs as well as revenues, to the football club has its risks, especially with possible FFP implications. There has to be, built into the sale agreement, guarantees for both Town and the Giants. As has been said other clubs have come unstuck with this. We do need investment for the stadium and it needs to be run better. This is, hopefully, a way to achieve both.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Oct 12, 2023 16:51:26 GMT 1
Maybe there are 10,000 regular attendees who'd never go near a fan zone, or spend more than at present on decent merch/food/beer etc. Maybe there are 5,000 who might. There are then still 7,000+ empty seats which need filling, by 'floating' fans who probably would. Not sure why anyone would think this needs to take away from the playing side. Surely a fan zone/better offerings would pay for itself? If all you care about is turning up at 2.55 and watching the game, you'll still be able to do that. But history shows us that apart from two seasons in the 30 years the stadium has been open, that prospect alone has not been enough to even come close to filling the ground. There's nowhere near 5,000 who might be interested in a fan zone. Agree but there might be 5000 interested in better food or beer areas to attend before the game which are welcoming and a place you can congregate with friends and family , who knows people might arrive a bit earlier than they do currently. It all comes down to making the stadium a really pleasant place to spend time before the game. There is no denying it has to be lightning years above what it offers currently.
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Post by richhtfc on Oct 12, 2023 18:12:52 GMT 1
So in summary…
“The stadium might be a bit shite and failing but at least it’s our council that’s failing it. There’s no point improving the food and drink because I don’t use any of it and don’t want anything to do with anyone that does. And anyway if the new owner wants to improve things he’s clearly not to be trusted”
God bless the people of Huddersfield 😂
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Post by midge on Oct 12, 2023 18:21:11 GMT 1
Maybe there are 10,000 regular attendees who'd never go near a fan zone, or spend more than at present on decent merch/food/beer etc. Maybe there are 5,000 who might. There are then still 7,000+ empty seats which need filling, by 'floating' fans who probably would. Not sure why anyone would think this needs to take away from the playing side. Surely a fan zone/better offerings would pay for itself? If all you care about is turning up at 2.55 and watching the game, you'll still be able to do that. But history shows us that apart from two seasons in the 30 years the stadium has been open, that prospect alone has not been enough to even come close to filling the ground. There's nowhere near 5,000 who might be interested in a fan zone. Maybe not now but why's it not possible to build up to those levels in future, maybe more!? Maybe get the live footy on big screens our some decent food and beers on and build up an experience over time. Stuff for the kids- might make them want to come back for more(might be more enjoyable than the footy😬) The 'match day experience' sort of stuff is obviously big in the states and countries like Germany so why can't it work here? Surely it's worth a try doing something different to raise the profile of the club, raise revenue or should we just go back to dizzy pens and shit beer and pies for the forseeable🤔
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Post by bluebeard on Oct 12, 2023 18:27:38 GMT 1
Can someone genuinely clarify who owned the old Leeds Road ground That is always what i have wondered, what does Huddersfield Town football club actually own. They should have redeveloped the old ground.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 12, 2023 18:50:42 GMT 1
Can someone genuinely clarify who owned the old Leeds Road ground That is always what i have wondered, what does Huddersfield Town football club actually own. They should have redeveloped the old ground. It wasn't viable at the time, according to Paul Fletcher and others. An interesting thing I've noticed from interviews with the likes of Warnock and also one I did myself with Pat Scully, is that in 1993-94, when Warnock was trying to sign players he'd just across the road and say "look at that, we'll be playing in there next season". It certainly helped to attract players to the club. I know of two blokes that haven't been since we left Leeds Road. I find that sad, really.
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Post by richhtfc on Oct 12, 2023 23:02:47 GMT 1
That is always what i have wondered, what does Huddersfield Town football club actually own. They should have redeveloped the old ground. It wasn't viable at the time, according to Paul Fletcher and others. An interesting thing I've noticed from interviews with the likes of Warnock and also one I did myself with Pat Scully, is that in 1993-94, when Warnock was trying to sign players he'd just across the road and say "look at that, we'll be playing in there next season". It certainly helped to attract players to the club. I know of two blokes that haven't been since we left Leeds Road. I find that sad, really. Hang on, you know of a couple of people that used to go 30 years ago? What is the point of a post like that? Have a think about the achievements and progress that’s been made since then. What are you complaining about? genuinely intrigued.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 12, 2023 23:13:24 GMT 1
It wasn't viable at the time, according to Paul Fletcher and others. An interesting thing I've noticed from interviews with the likes of Warnock and also one I did myself with Pat Scully, is that in 1993-94, when Warnock was trying to sign players he'd just across the road and say "look at that, we'll be playing in there next season". It certainly helped to attract players to the club. I know of two blokes that haven't been since we left Leeds Road. I find that sad, really. Hang on, you know of a couple of people that used to go 30 years ago? What is the point of a post like that? Have a think about the achievements and progress that’s been made since then. What are you complaining about? genuinely intrigued. I'm not complaining. I was responding to the point that we should have redeveloped the old ground. I was just mentioning that I know of two old chaps that refused to go to the new ground, all because we'd left the old one and that I find that sad. Why are you trying to make out I'm complaining?
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Post by richhtfc on Oct 12, 2023 23:17:55 GMT 1
Hang on, you know of a couple of people that used to go 30 years ago? What is the point of a post like that? Have a think about the achievements and progress that’s been made since then. What are you complaining about? genuinely intrigued. I'm not complaining. I was responding to the point that we should have redeveloped the old ground. I was just mentioning that I know of two old chaps that refused to go to the new ground, all because we'd left the old one and that I find that sad. Why are you trying to make out I'm complaining? Because you have a very negative outlook on here. You might not think you do but all I read from you is the opposite of support.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 12, 2023 23:19:22 GMT 1
I'm not complaining. I was responding to the point that we should have redeveloped the old ground. I was just mentioning that I know of two old chaps that refused to go to the new ground, all because we'd left the old one and that I find that sad. Why are you trying to make out I'm complaining? Because you have a very negative outlook on here. You might not think you do but all I read from you is the opposite of support. Don't read it then 👍
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Post by richhtfc on Oct 12, 2023 23:22:30 GMT 1
Because you have a very negative outlook on here. You might not think you do but all I read from you is the opposite of support. Don't read it then 👍 I won’t, thanks for confirming how pointless your posts are, hopefully it’ll have been informative for other posters 👌
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 12, 2023 23:24:30 GMT 1
I won’t, thanks for confirming how pointless your posts are, hopefully it’ll have been informative for other posters 👌 Not my fault if you choose to pick out negatives from a post that literally has no negatives in it. Says more about you than it does about me 👍 And don't question my support of Huddersfield Town 😂
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Post by space hardware on Oct 12, 2023 23:26:40 GMT 1
I won’t, thanks for confirming how pointless your posts are, hopefully it’ll have been informative for other posters 👌 Jeez, you may not like him and/or disagree with his posts but they are never pointless.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 12, 2023 23:27:43 GMT 1
I won’t, thanks for confirming how pointless your posts are, hopefully it’ll have been informative for other posters 👌 Jeez, you may not like him and/or disagree with his posts but they are never pointless. What did I even say wrong in that post? 😂
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Post by richhtfc on Oct 12, 2023 23:33:31 GMT 1
Jeez, you may not like him and/or disagree with his posts but they are never pointless. What did I even say wrong in that post? 😂 You were lamenting the loss of fans from before we moved stadiums, that’s a ridiculous thing to bring up when making an argument about the current situation imo. You might as well complain about the fact we had 50k attendance in the 50’s. It has nothing to do with the current owners and their ambitions for the stadium.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 12, 2023 23:40:52 GMT 1
What did I even say wrong in that post? 😂 You were lamenting the loss of fans from before we moved stadiums, that’s a ridiculous thing to bring up when making an argument about the current situation imo. You might as well complain about the fact we had 50k attendance in the 50’s. It has nothing to do with the current owners and their ambitions for the stadium. No I wasn't. I was mentioning that two supporters had not been back since we moved grounds, I thought it was relevant to the post mentioning we should have stayed at Leeds Road. You're just reading far too much into it. As usual. And I'm the one that's negative? 😂 Fuck me, I've never known anything as pathetic.
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Post by richhtfc on Oct 12, 2023 23:56:20 GMT 1
You were lamenting the loss of fans from before we moved stadiums, that’s a ridiculous thing to bring up when making an argument about the current situation imo. You might as well complain about the fact we had 50k attendance in the 50’s. It has nothing to do with the current owners and their ambitions for the stadium. No I wasn't. I was mentioning that two supporters had not been back since we moved grounds, I thought it was relevant to the post mentioning we should have stayed at Leeds Road. You're just reading far too much into it. As usual. And I'm the one that's negative? 😂 Fuck me, I've never known anything as pathetic. Just tired of the constant knocking of the club, even in what feels like a progressive period. Not sure you’d find much support for me being negative, but whatever.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 12, 2023 23:59:50 GMT 1
No I wasn't. I was mentioning that two supporters had not been back since we moved grounds, I thought it was relevant to the post mentioning we should have stayed at Leeds Road. You're just reading far too much into it. As usual. And I'm the one that's negative? 😂 Fuck me, I've never known anything as pathetic. Just tired of the constant knocking of the club, even in what feels like a progressive period. Not sure you’d find much support for me being negative, but whatever. How am I knocking the club in that post? You're off your head, lad.
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Post by richhtfc on Oct 13, 2023 0:03:22 GMT 1
I give up.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 13, 2023 0:10:22 GMT 1
Yeah whatever. If you're going to try having a go at least back it up in future.
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Oct 13, 2023 0:13:05 GMT 1
Hang on, you know of a couple of people that used to go 30 years ago? What is the point of a post like that? Have a think about the achievements and progress that’s been made since then. What are you complaining about? genuinely intrigued. I'm not complaining. I was responding to the point that we should have redeveloped the old ground. I was just mentioning that I know of two old chaps that refused to go to the new ground, all because we'd left the old one and that I find that sad. Why are you trying to make out I'm complaining? Redeveloping the old ground ?? Stadium would have been tiny, like. Walsall, Scunthorpe And we’d have had to play at Bradford for a year ?
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 13, 2023 0:16:10 GMT 1
I'm not complaining. I was responding to the point that we should have redeveloped the old ground. I was just mentioning that I know of two old chaps that refused to go to the new ground, all because we'd left the old one and that I find that sad. Why are you trying to make out I'm complaining? Redeveloping the old ground ?? Stadium would have been tiny, like. Walsall, Scunthorpe And we’d have had to play at Bradford for a year ? I'm not the one saying that we should have redeveloped the old ground 😂
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 13, 2023 6:26:44 GMT 1
I'm not complaining. I was responding to the point that we should have redeveloped the old ground. I was just mentioning that I know of two old chaps that refused to go to the new ground, all because we'd left the old one and that I find that sad. Why are you trying to make out I'm complaining? Because you have a very negative outlook on here. You might not think you do but all I read from you is the opposite of support. I've genuinely no idea what was in that post for you to have a go at him over 🤷. There was no complaining or negativity in it at all.
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 13, 2023 6:29:02 GMT 1
I'm not complaining. I was responding to the point that we should have redeveloped the old ground. I was just mentioning that I know of two old chaps that refused to go to the new ground, all because we'd left the old one and that I find that sad. Why are you trying to make out I'm complaining? Redeveloping the old ground ?? Stadium would have been tiny, like. Walsall, Scunthorpe And we’d have had to play at Bradford for a year ? They said, at the time, there was no way redeveloping Leeds Road could be cost effective. I don't think they'd have got the grants that they got for the new one to help pay for it.
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 13, 2023 6:34:57 GMT 1
What did I even say wrong in that post? 😂 You were lamenting the loss of fans from before we moved stadiums, that’s a ridiculous thing to bring up when making an argument about the current situation imo. You might as well complain about the fact we had 50k attendance in the 50’s. It has nothing to do with the current owners and their ambitions for the stadium. What a load of absolute bollocks. He said he knew of 2 that stopped going and that that was a shame. I knew a lad that stopped going because he hated the "football" we played under Warnock at Leeds Road. Warnock had said, in the Examiner, that anyone that didn't enjoy watching it could see him and get their money back. Paul asked him for reimbursement and Colin called him a dickhead. He didn't go again.
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Post by mids on Oct 13, 2023 8:39:58 GMT 1
It seems to me that htafcokay has taken over the mantle of NickHudds in many peoples' eyes....
Give the lad a break. His opinion is just as worthy as any other. Life's too short for haranguing a fellow Town fan.
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