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Post by araucaria on Feb 1, 2023 11:28:36 GMT 1
Why did we recall one of our few successful loanees, Jaheim Headley, and not send him out again to a higher-placed club? It doesn't look like he will play for us this season. Is he injured?
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 1, 2023 11:49:11 GMT 1
I just can’t get my head around the way in which Hoyles gone about the last 9 months. 2 atrocious managerial appointments. Cutting the wage bill. A scatter gun of youth signings and possibles. No plan, no structure, no balance, no idea. A clear attempt at doing it as cheaply as possible. Then, come January after let’s be honest, a fucking abysmal season so far, we go spend strong money on loans and perms on experience on good wages yet still no plan, structure, no structure, no balance and still no idea. Why the hell didn’t we just spend more wisely in the summer? It’s complete self destruction and self sabotage by ourselves. All we had to do was do our business early, sensibly and to a plan in the summer and we would be absolutely no where near this position. I said before January that the best signing we could make in the transfer window was a manager, sadly we haven’t and I think we are staring down the barrel. We look all over the place off the field, It looks like panic stations, a guess who game being played by Bromby who looks to have completely lost his way. Nothing I hear coming out of town is positive and all I see is chaos, I really hope we stay up, it’s paramount for the future of the club but I’m deeply concerned. God help the season ticket sales for next season. To give some charity... An established international in Yuta for free, whilst pocketing whatever proportion of the fee we took for Toffolo without the benefit of hindsight looks like a strong decision. Helik + Boyle + Mbete to replace Colwill + Sarr looks like an understandable and reasonable move. We were never going to get anyone as good as Colwill without it being a complete fluke. Mbete MIGHT have been that fluke. We'd have expected Tino to be better than Sinani - another good decision - its easy to say, "but he's always injured" - but this seasons injury is an impact one-off injury, not some kind of ongoing long-term muscle issue - so we've ended up having to play Rudoni who we probably expected to be backfilling Tino from the bench (but there again, how would Sinani have looked if he spent the first 4 months of last season playing variously in roles where Hogg/O'Brien played?) - but he's OURs, not a loan player, and could easily become as good or better than Sinani was when he's got another season or two in his history. KKH well rated - was a reasonable decision to replace what was a bit-part Pipa - he was useless early season - Turton demonstrated what a decent player he is - and then KKH gradually grew into the role when we were forced to play him because of Turtons injury - but can well understand with Turton now returning, and the opportunity to sign Lowton arising, why we'd not expect him to play in this second half of the season. Mahoney might well have been good enough to replace Duane or push Thomas on - but it was a punt - and Duane hasn't really let anyone down in the meantime. Kasumu for O'Brien? Hmmm. Not so convincing. This was the risky one...I GUESS we expected Tino to be winning games in the front third more or less single handedly, abley supported by Sorba, so maybe signing a player more likely to sit alongside Hogg than carry the ball forward leaving Hogg exposed was actually reasonable. And of course then Hogg got injured. I guess what I'm saying is I don't think the main transfers we've made have actually been all that scatter-gun...there's good reasoning behind them all. We couldn't expect the kind of long term injuries to key players that we've had. Yes - we should have brought in a fit striker last summer, and someone "better than" Ruffles - thats all that was missing really. And not have injuries. (and get a decent coach - but again I can understand the reasoning for bringing him in - and he's actually done 'all right' in terms of results, given where we seemed to be heading under Schofield (Schofield being the BIGGEST mistake we made this summer - but that was almost a forced decision after him being open about the offer from Belgium and what we said to keep him here - Schofield with another year or two working with Carlos could easily have been our next decent manager)) |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Feb 1, 2023 11:52:36 GMT 1
Just read that Chelsea have had a turnover of 75 players (in or out) since the summer window opened. Crazy.
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 1, 2023 11:56:52 GMT 1
Why did we recall one of our few successful loanees, Jaheim Headley, and not send him out again to a higher-placed club? It doesn't look like he will play for us this season. Is he injured? Maybe Ben Jackson is out longer term and we wanted someone to push (or replace) Ruffles? |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Feb 1, 2023 11:57:59 GMT 1
Why did we recall one of our few successful loanees, Jaheim Headley, and not send him out again to a higher-placed club? It doesn't look like he will play for us this season. Is he injured? Maybe Ben Jackson is out longer term and we wanted someone to push (or replace) Ruffles? Jackson isn’t injured |
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Post by kjf on Feb 1, 2023 11:59:19 GMT 1
Heard that Jackson will be involved this weekend
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Feb 1, 2023 12:07:42 GMT 1
Heard that Jackson will be involved this weekend Who is picking the team here? We’ve needed him in there since the World Cup. Is Camara allowed to play out now? |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 1, 2023 12:07:42 GMT 1
Why did we recall one of our few successful loanees, Jaheim Headley, and not send him out again to a higher-placed club? It doesn't look like he will play for us this season. Is he injured? Maybe Ben Jackson is out longer term and we wanted someone to push (or replace) Ruffles? He'd captained two U23 games over the last week or so. Sounds like Fotheringham spat his dummy out with him & Camara in training. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2023 12:35:47 GMT 1
Both not been near the first team as both have been distracted recently, they now have nothing to be distracted about. These are young lads and when not fully focussed they will not help the first team squad, agents have not worked well for either of them not a single offer was received for either of them.
We move on now with pretty much everyone available to select in next few important matches.
Buzz needs some results he now has no excuses, this squad is good enough to stay up I have no doubt about that but is our manger good enough to get them performing to the level required.
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Post by townrwe on Feb 1, 2023 12:49:47 GMT 1
Both not been near the first team as both have been distracted recently, they now have nothing to be distracted about. These are young lads and when not fully focussed they will not help the first team squad, agents have not worked well for either of them not a single offer was received for either of them. We move on now with pretty much everyone available to select in next few important matches. Buzz needs some results he now has no excuses, this squad is good enough to stay up I have no doubt about that but is our manger good enough to get them performing to the level required. To be fair to Buzz, Hes had them performing at a level that keeps us up.... Would he have done any better with better recruitment, probably, Im not sure he will get next year, but would be interesting to see what his idea of football is, He wants attacking players on the pitch he says, but hes at a club without any. |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Feb 1, 2023 12:53:23 GMT 1
Both not been near the first team as both have been distracted recently, they now have nothing to be distracted about. These are young lads and when not fully focussed they will not help the first team squad, agents have not worked well for either of them not a single offer was received for either of them. We move on now with pretty much everyone available to select in next few important matches. Buzz needs some results he now has no excuses, this squad is good enough to stay up I have no doubt about that but is our manger good enough to get them performing to the level required. .... Would he have done any better with better recruitment, probably, Im not sure he will get next year, but would be interesting to see what his idea of football is, He wants attacking players on the pitch he says, but hes at a club without any. Has he? Increasingly thinking the wins over Christmas were a blip. |
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Post by H6dds on Feb 1, 2023 12:58:07 GMT 1
I just can’t get my head around the way in which Hoyles gone about the last 9 months. 2 atrocious managerial appointments. Cutting the wage bill. A scatter gun of youth signings and possibles. No plan, no structure, no balance, no idea. A clear attempt at doing it as cheaply as possible. Then, come January after let’s be honest, a fucking abysmal season so far, we go spend strong money on loans and perms on experience on good wages yet still no plan, structure, no structure, no balance and still no idea. Why the hell didn’t we just spend more wisely in the summer? It’s complete self destruction and self sabotage by ourselves. All we had to do was do our business early, sensibly and to a plan in the summer and we would be absolutely no where near this position. I said before January that the best signing we could make in the transfer window was a manager, sadly we haven’t and I think we are staring down the barrel. We look all over the place off the field, It looks like panic stations, a guess who game being played by Bromby who looks to have completely lost his way. Nothing I hear coming out of town is positive and all I see is chaos, I really hope we stay up, it’s paramount for the future of the club but I’m deeply concerned. God help the season ticket sales for next season. To give some charity... An established international in Yuta for free, whilst pocketing whatever proportion of the fee we took for Toffolo without the benefit of hindsight looks like a strong decision. Helik + Boyle + Mbete to replace Colwill + Sarr looks like an understandable and reasonable move. We were never going to get anyone as good as Colwill without it being a complete fluke. Mbete MIGHT have been that fluke. We'd have expected Tino to be better than Sinani - another good decision - its easy to say, "but he's always injured" - but this seasons injury is an impact one-off injury, not some kind of ongoing long-term muscle issue - so we've ended up having to play Rudoni who we probably expected to be backfilling Tino from the bench (but there again, how would Sinani have looked if he spent the first 4 months of last season playing variously in roles where Hogg/O'Brien played?) - but he's OURs, not a loan player, and could easily become as good or better than Sinani was when he's got another season or two in his history. KKH well rated - was a reasonable decision to replace what was a bit-part Pipa - he was useless early season - Turton demonstrated what a decent player he is - and then KKH gradually grew into the role when we were forced to play him because of Turtons injury - but can well understand with Turton now returning, and the opportunity to sign Lowton arising, why we'd not expect him to play in this second half of the season. Mahoney might well have been good enough to replace Duane or push Thomas on - but it was a punt - and Duane hasn't really let anyone down in the meantime. Kasumu for O'Brien? Hmmm. Not so convincing. This was the risky one...I GUESS we expected Tino to be winning games in the front third more or less single handedly, abley supported by Sorba, so maybe signing a player more likely to sit alongside Hogg than carry the ball forward leaving Hogg exposed was actually reasonable. And of course then Hogg got injured. I guess what I'm saying is I don't think the main transfers we've made have actually been all that scatter-gun...there's good reasoning behind them all. We couldn't expect the kind of long term injuries to key players that we've had. Yes - we should have brought in a fit striker last summer, and someone "better than" Ruffles - thats all that was missing really. And not have injuries. (and get a decent coach - but again I can understand the reasoning for bringing him in - and he's actually done 'all right' in terms of results, given where we seemed to be heading under Schofield (Schofield being the BIGGEST mistake we made this summer - but that was almost a forced decision after him being open about the offer from Belgium and what we said to keep him here - Schofield with another year or two working with Carlos could easily have been our next decent manager)) We went into the season with one senior goalkeeper. A manager who didn’t know if he wanted to play with 5 or 4 at the back, which meant we brought in Yuta who could play wing back or center back or fullback but not sure what his best position is. Depending on formation Ruffels would be our first choice or only choice at left back. We let some players who was important for the dressing room leave and replaced them with cheaper options. We were going into the season with Lees, Boyle and Mbete as center backs (Pearson out injured) and when that didn’t work we panicked and signed Helik (cost a lot). Our midfield going into the season was the injury prone Hogg and Kasumu plus Russell. Camera was a b team player. We signed a striker who was out for months while having to hope our two 33 year old striker could do the job for one more season. In January we sent back one of our most inform players who had just started to turn good and replaced him with Lowton (prob on good money) despite Turton just coming back instead of prioritizing left back. We brought in two strikers who look worse than our 33 year olds to compete for one spot. We recall every youth player who has a good season and either fail to send them out again or are stuck with them due to having played for two clubs already. We lose Nicholls to injury and have 0 senior keepers so finally gets another one in. Sign no midfielders, no left back. Get an injured Knovkaert in (on good money prob) who hasn’t played for ages. Send our top assist maker out on loan. And suddenly we have an expensive squad with lots of players but still no left back good enough, no striker good enough and a midfield that has to rely on Scott High stepping up. Yes you can find excuses and it could have worked etc but when so many people were worried from the start and they have turned out to be correct I think it’s fair to criticize the club for what has been a car crash these last two windows. |
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Post by prepare on Feb 1, 2023 13:09:41 GMT 1
I just can’t get my head around the way in which Hoyles gone about the last 9 months. 2 atrocious managerial appointments. Cutting the wage bill. A scatter gun of youth signings and possibles. No plan, no structure, no balance, no idea. A clear attempt at doing it as cheaply as possible. Then, come January after let’s be honest, a fucking abysmal season so far, we go spend strong money on loans and perms on experience on good wages yet still no plan, structure, no structure, no balance and still no idea. Why the hell didn’t we just spend more wisely in the summer? It’s complete self destruction and self sabotage by ourselves. All we had to do was do our business early, sensibly and to a plan in the summer and we would be absolutely no where near this position. I said before January that the best signing we could make in the transfer window was a manager, sadly we haven’t and I think we are staring down the barrel. We look all over the place off the field, It looks like panic stations, a guess who game being played by Bromby who looks to have completely lost his way. Nothing I hear coming out of town is positive and all I see is chaos, I really hope we stay up, it’s paramount for the future of the club but I’m deeply concerned. God help the season ticket sales for next season. god is buying one Ben don’t you worry!! |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 1, 2023 13:09:47 GMT 1
Lets see how we do with a team and bench picked because he can pick or play them.?
If we keep running away all over the pitch and we drop deep too quickly and stay there too long, its unlikely the results will change much whoever he plays?
Hard to attack constantly from your own penalty box or near it, unless you leave a couple up the pitch, we dont.
Bravery or a bit of it might work, stifling and negativety probably wont.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 1, 2023 13:21:44 GMT 1
So apart from having an experienced keeper,what else will change,because we were shite when Nicholls was in the nets too. All the stuff that already changed during the World Cup break, that resulted in us winning 2 out of 3 games since Christmas until Nicholls was injured and we went on to win 0 out of 3 ? Ignoring the 3 games we lost between the break and Nicholls being out 🤔 |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 1, 2023 13:23:50 GMT 1
I had the faint hope we would address the obvious squad weaknesses and give ourselves a fighting chance. We have lost sorba on LOAN.... and got a load of one paced OAPs.... im more fearful for us now than before the window. On a plus side, Waghorn looked decent at Hull, Hungbo looks decent as well and the new goalie should be good enough. We haven't addressed the areas we should have done and that's surely on Bromby, not the GOAT fozza. He's out of a job in the summer either way, even if he keeps us up, it needs a fresh start, so he will have to lead another team out at the San siro. Where do you think we are weak now? Sorba, I think, is better strutting about somewhere else this season. Shame but I feel it is more him than the club. Er...left back, left CB, midfield, up front and in the dug out |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 1, 2023 13:27:03 GMT 1
If Knockaert had signed for any other Championship club I can guarantee that 95% of our fanbase would be calling it a shambles that we weren't in for him 😂 But he didn't, cos the other clubs don't go signing players that are injured and out for a month 🤔 |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 1, 2023 13:29:08 GMT 1
If Knockaert had signed for any other Championship club I can guarantee that 95% of our fanbase would be calling it a shambles that we weren't in for him 😂 Why would we be bothered about a player who has struggled massively in this division in recent seasons signing for another team? |
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Post by arry11 on Feb 1, 2023 13:31:46 GMT 1
If Knockaert had signed for any other Championship club I can guarantee that 95% of our fanbase would be calling it a shambles that we weren't in for him 😂 But he didn't, cos the other clubs don't go signing players that are injured and out for a month 🤔 Like when Wolves signed Adama Traoré |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 1, 2023 13:38:08 GMT 1
But he didn't, cos the other clubs don't go signing players that are injured and out for a month 🤔 Like when Wolves signed Adama Traoré Who cares about him, he's shit. A lubed up, musclebound Usain Bolt from Wish. |
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Post by townrwe on Feb 1, 2023 13:40:59 GMT 1
To be fair to Buzz, Hes had them performing at a level that keeps us up.... Would he have done any better with better recruitment, probably, Im not sure he will get next year, but would be interesting to see what his idea of football is, He wants attacking players on the pitch he says, but hes at a club without any. Has he? Increasingly thinking the wins over Christmas were a blip. or maybe recent games were a blip. |
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Post by arry11 on Feb 1, 2023 13:42:20 GMT 1
Like when Wolves signed Adama Traoré Who cares about him, he's shit. A lubed up, musclebound Usain Bolt from Wish. Better than the pelters we signed afterwards. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 1, 2023 14:07:48 GMT 1
But he didn't, cos the other clubs don't go signing players that are injured and out for a month 🤔 Like when Wolves signed Adama Traoré He made his debut 10 days after he signed. |
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 1, 2023 14:09:08 GMT 1
All the stuff that already changed during the World Cup break, that resulted in us winning 2 out of 3 games since Christmas until Nicholls was injured and we went on to win 0 out of 3 ? Ignoring the 3 games we lost between the break and Nicholls being out 🤔 No, I ignored *two* games that we lost straight after the break (to the teams currently 2nd and 4th) - simply covering his last three games covered an equal period to the 3 games that Bilo has played. Either way - 2 wins in 5 games is still better than 0 wins in 3 games. |
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Post by arry11 on Feb 1, 2023 14:10:56 GMT 1
Like when Wolves signed Adama Traoré He made his debut 10 days after he signed. The point is we were told he would be out for 6 weeks and moved on, Wolves took the gamble. |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Feb 1, 2023 14:24:34 GMT 1
He made his debut 10 days after he signed. The point is we were told he would be out for 6 weeks and moved on, Wolves took the gamble. To avoid making the same mistake again we’ve had a policy of signing injured players since. |
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Post by arry11 on Feb 1, 2023 14:30:46 GMT 1
The point is we were told he would be out for 6 weeks and moved on, Wolves took the gamble. To avoid making the same mistake again we’ve had a policy of signing injured players since. How many have we singed that are injured. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Feb 1, 2023 14:35:36 GMT 1
Can we close this thread now as the deadline gone 🙄 we don't close threads - if you are fed up with it - stop posting. It will get moved to the Transfer Board in a day or two. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Feb 1, 2023 14:39:53 GMT 1
Like when Wolves signed Adama Traoré Who cares about him, he's shit. A lubed up, musclebound Usain Bolt from Wish. Shit in what way ? At Premier league standard or championship? |
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Post by terriers2000 on Feb 1, 2023 15:03:57 GMT 1
Why?
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