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Post by johncoddington5 on Feb 5, 2023 17:06:00 GMT 1
I just don’t understand what Camara has done ? Literally disappeared. Likewise for Jackson. High couldn’t get a game at Rotherham. Just more bizarre decisions made by an appalling manager. According to HTAFC website yesterday Jackson has a quad injury |
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Post by k1man999 on Feb 5, 2023 17:07:34 GMT 1
On the filp side, how many 21/22 year olds have gone the other way? the last time I remember this kind of conversation about a 21 year old academy midfielder was Philip Billing! Thing with Phil he didn't run round like a headless chicken so some didn't like that. You could see from early on he had presence, good touch, good range of passing he also came to the fore in the prem and except one season where he was class has stayed there. The after stuff also went against him too with town fans. But from what I've seen high isn't fit to lace billings boots when at same age. Can high improve yes he can anyone can but he just isn't the level we need, especially in the mess we are in. |
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Post by turbo2 on Feb 5, 2023 17:56:10 GMT 1
the last time I remember this kind of conversation about a 21 year old academy midfielder was Philip Billing! Thing with Phil he didn't run round like a headless chicken so some didn't like that. You could see from early on he had presence, good touch, good range of passing he also came to the fore in the prem and except one season where he was class has stayed there. The after stuff also went against him too with town fans. But from what I've seen high isn't fit to lace billings boots when at same age. Can high improve yes he can anyone can but he just isn't the level we need, especially in the mess we are in. Think your last line is sort of where I am. Trouble is yesterdays two worst performances were from Hogg and lowton two of our most experienced players |
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Post by k1man999 on Feb 5, 2023 18:01:28 GMT 1
Thing with Phil he didn't run round like a headless chicken so some didn't like that. You could see from early on he had presence, good touch, good range of passing he also came to the fore in the prem and except one season where he was class has stayed there. The after stuff also went against him too with town fans. But from what I've seen high isn't fit to lace billings boots when at same age. Can high improve yes he can anyone can but he just isn't the level we need, especially in the mess we are in. Think your last line is sort of where I am. Trouble is yesterdays two worst performances were from Hogg and lowton two of our most experienced players Don't get me wrong lowton was poor but he is not and never will be a LB. |
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Post by turbo2 on Feb 5, 2023 18:34:59 GMT 1
Think your last line is sort of where I am. Trouble is yesterdays two worst performances were from Hogg and lowton two of our most experienced players Don't get me wrong lowton was poor but he is not and never will be a LB. Yeah agree. Must admit I thought it was a good move. But defo didn’t work |
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Post by tepidterrier on Feb 5, 2023 19:56:01 GMT 1
the last time I remember this kind of conversation about a 21 year old academy midfielder was Philip Billing! Thing with Phil he didn't run round like a headless chicken so some didn't like that. You could see from early on he had presence, good touch, good range of passing he also came to the fore in the prem and except one season where he was class has stayed there. The after stuff also went against him too with town fans. But from what I've seen high isn't fit to lace billings boots when at same age. Can high improve yes he can anyone can but he just isn't the level we need, especially in the mess we are in. yeah completely chalk and cheese for 2 players who came through at the same age in the same position. the thing with Billing is that he did do a lot of headless chicken stuff early on. I remember the Leeds home game just before Wagner was appointed, he played half an hour before getting injured. was the only town player who looked like he gave a shit, running about like a madman! |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Feb 6, 2023 13:00:50 GMT 1
SH wouldn’t get in most L1 teams utter shite. Runs around a lot but absolute no end product. The fact he could hardly make the Rotherham subs bench says it all.
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Post by dugnet on Feb 6, 2023 13:07:20 GMT 1
I have said it so many times about SH, he has a pass in him if he has the ball at his feet and is looking forward. His contribution when we don't have the ball is negligible, at best.
MF playing him is puzzling but I hope that he learned something on Saturday about how dysfunctional our midfield is and have some solutions to make us more balanced and compact. If he doesn't then he shouldn't be head coach (I know what people think about his position in saying this).
SH is not the answer to our predicament, well not in the shape we played, and I would hope that Saturday demonstrated this.
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Post by digs on Feb 6, 2023 13:14:21 GMT 1
I just don’t understand what Camara has done ? Literally disappeared. Likewise for Jackson. High couldn’t get a game at Rotherham. Just more bizarre decisions made by an appalling manager. Wasn't that Camara signing programmes with Yuta outside the small club shop in the gazebo? maybe Fotheringham thinks that's his best position |
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Post by royrace on Feb 6, 2023 13:20:38 GMT 1
I just don’t understand what Camara has done ? Literally disappeared. Likewise for Jackson. High couldn’t get a game at Rotherham. Just more bizarre decisions made by an appalling manager. Be nice if a journalist would just ask the flippin question wouldn't it!? I mean its the obvious question. High shouldn't be anywhere near the first team. I've honestly no idea whatsoever why he's been picked based on what I see. Camara on the other hand looked superb and is able to pick a pass and influence the game. Bizarre. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 6, 2023 13:22:34 GMT 1
I just don’t understand what Camara has done ? Literally disappeared. Likewise for Jackson. High couldn’t get a game at Rotherham. Just more bizarre decisions made by an appalling manager. According to HTAFC website yesterday Jackson has a quad injury I thought it was in their contracts that they couldn't do dangerous activities. |
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Post by digs on Feb 6, 2023 13:25:33 GMT 1
According to HTAFC website yesterday Jackson has a quad injury I thought it was in their contracts that they couldn't do dangerous activities. Or have 2nd jobs,Farmer Holmes Calf injury |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Feb 6, 2023 13:35:19 GMT 1
From Buzz's presser this morning
"Scott High is a young player and he's got a big future and he works very hard. The last few games I think he's put in terrific performances, which is great for us as a staff."
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Post by dugnet on Feb 6, 2023 13:38:53 GMT 1
From Buzz's presser this morning "Scott High is a young player and he's got a big future and he works very hard. The last few games I think he's put in terrific performances, which is great for us as a staff." I hate to break some news to you but I think there is more than enough evidence to suggest that MF may just be a little bit optimistic and gives a box of frogs a good run for what is less sane. |
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Post by space hardware on Feb 6, 2023 13:46:30 GMT 1
From Buzz's presser this morning "Scott High is a young player and he's got a big future and he works very hard. The last few games I think he's put in terrific performances, which is great for us as a staff." It would be better for everyone if he just shut the fuck up, as what comes out of his mouth almost all the time is complete nonsense. |
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Post by stinkypete on Feb 6, 2023 13:53:18 GMT 1
From Buzz's presser this morning "Scott High is a young player and he's got a big future and he works very hard. The last few games I think he's put in terrific performances, which is great for us as a staff." That is really worrying. |
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Post by digs on Feb 6, 2023 14:04:03 GMT 1
From Buzz's presser this morning "Scott High is a young player and he's got a big future and he works very hard. The last few games I think he's put in terrific performances, which is great for us as a staff." That is really worrying. It is worrying,as High is no better than he was before |
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Post by Big Ern on Feb 6, 2023 14:17:12 GMT 1
It's like he is purposefully trying to wind the fans up, either that or he is thick.
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Post by iangreaves on Feb 6, 2023 14:22:09 GMT 1
From Buzz's presser this morning "Scott High is a young player and he's got a big future and he works very hard. The last few games I think he's put in terrific performances, which is great for us as a staff." He's probably saying what Leight Bromby told him to say. |
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Post by Sparrow on Feb 6, 2023 14:54:40 GMT 1
What exactly would you like our head coach to say about one of our young players.
"Scott has been really, really poor in the last 2 games since his return from Rotherham. He couldn't get in a poor Rotherham side, that we beat, but I thought I would give him a chance and he's now blown that chance and it's back to the B Team and a loan out to the lower leagues next season"
Now that, or something along those lines, might very well be what MF thinks. But he can't really say that can he.
He's clearly trying to back the kid and put some confidence into him. I think that's a pretty good thing for a Head Coach to do.
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Post by benhomly on Feb 6, 2023 15:02:50 GMT 1
What exactly would you like our head coach to say about one of our young players. "Scott has been really, really poor in the last 2 games since his return from Rotherham. He couldn't get in a poor Rotherham side, that we beat, but I thought I would give him a chance and he's now blown that chance and it's back to the B Team and a loan out to the lower leagues next season" Now that, or something along those lines, might very well be what MF thinks. But he can't really say that can he. He's clearly trying to back the kid and put some confidence into him. I think that's a pretty good thing for a Head Coach to do. How much does that actually help him though? He's probably thinking 'shit, if I'm that good without actually doing anything, I'll be bloody fantastic if I could string a few passes together and maybe get on the scoresheet.' He'll end up as deluded as Sorba. |
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Post by ACW on Feb 6, 2023 15:04:49 GMT 1
I suspect High's running stats are better than Camara's and, as we all know, MF rates physical attributes over technical ones all day long.
I also don't think Camara suits MF's hoof and hope tactics. Camara would thrive in a footballing team that plays through the thirds. He's not going to do much in a side that alternates between passing the ball sideways/backwards across the back and launching it in the vague direction of an isolated striker.
I really don't care about MF's supposed footballing education in Germany. Far from an innovative coach, bringing news ideas from the continent, MF comes across as a footballing dinosaur. The way we play now is like watching a Stan Ternent team and, the more I hear him speak, it's obvious that that's the way he wants us to play. He wants us to be an ugly team. That's acceptable in our position if we are winning, but we are not. And, more to the point, we don't look like winning. His style means we create little, so we are not scoring. So we aren't winning. At the moment, we are getting the worst of both worlds: shite football and crap results.
For me, our only hope is that there are three worse teams than us because we won't be going on any winning runs soon. Creating two chances a game (if we're lucky!) ensures that is very unlikely.
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Post by Sparrow on Feb 6, 2023 15:07:43 GMT 1
What exactly would you like our head coach to say about one of our young players. "Scott has been really, really poor in the last 2 games since his return from Rotherham. He couldn't get in a poor Rotherham side, that we beat, but I thought I would give him a chance and he's now blown that chance and it's back to the B Team and a loan out to the lower leagues next season" Now that, or something along those lines, might very well be what MF thinks. But he can't really say that can he. He's clearly trying to back the kid and put some confidence into him. I think that's a pretty good thing for a Head Coach to do. How much does that actually help him though? He's probably thinking 'shit, if I'm that good without actually doing anything, I'll be bloody fantastic if I could string a few passes together and maybe get on the scoresheet.' He'll end up as deluded as Sorba. I would imagine what he says in the press and what he actually says to Scott and the discussions they have are very different |
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Post by ACW on Feb 6, 2023 15:09:37 GMT 1
How much does that actually help him though? He's probably thinking 'shit, if I'm that good without actually doing anything, I'll be bloody fantastic if I could string a few passes together and maybe get on the scoresheet.' He'll end up as deluded as Sorba. I would imagine what he says in the press and what he actually says to Scott and the discussions they have are very different They may well be. But the bottom line is MF is playing an ineffective High in our first team at a time when our best midfielder can't even get on the bench. |
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Post by benhomly on Feb 6, 2023 15:09:55 GMT 1
How much does that actually help him though? He's probably thinking 'shit, if I'm that good without actually doing anything, I'll be bloody fantastic if I could string a few passes together and maybe get on the scoresheet.' He'll end up as deluded as Sorba. I would imagine what he says in the press and what he actually says to Scott and the discussions they have are very different Maybe, but methinks you credit MF with more intelligence than he deserves |
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Post by Dan on Feb 6, 2023 15:10:55 GMT 1
From Buzz's presser this morning "Scott High is a young player and he's got a big future and he works very hard. The last few games I think he's put in terrific performances, which is great for us as a staff." I wonder how Fotheringham come to that conclusion this morning? Because he Scott High, because he Scott High, because he Scott Hiiiiigh |
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Post by Sparrow on Feb 6, 2023 15:31:11 GMT 1
I would imagine what he says in the press and what he actually says to Scott and the discussions they have are very different They may well be. But the bottom line is MF is playing an ineffective High in our first team at a time when our best midfielder can't even get on the bench. I do agree with you on that. His reasoning for not playing Etienne is that he wants to go for experience rather then youth.......He then pick Scott High!! His selection of Scott High and not Etienne Camara is very strange (and I rate High highly  and think he will be a very talented footballer in due course). But what he says about him in the press is not strange for a Head Coach to say about a 21/22 year old who is low on confidence and struggling. But I do agree with all who say High should not be in the team and Camara should |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Feb 6, 2023 15:31:48 GMT 1
What exactly would you like our head coach to say about one of our young players. " Scott has been really, really poor in the last 2 games since his return from Rotherham. He couldn't get in a poor Rotherham side, that we beat, but I thought I would give him a chance and he's now blown that chance and it's back to the B Team and a loan out to the lower leagues next season" Now that, or something along those lines, might very well be what MF thinks. But he can't really say that can he. He's clearly trying to back the kid and put some confidence into him. I think that's a pretty good thing for a Head Coach to do. You wouldn't expect him to say that but on the other hand why say he's been "terrific" when even blind man could see that he hasn't. He just opens his month and bullshit comes out. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 6, 2023 15:38:48 GMT 1
What exactly would you like our head coach to say about one of our young players. " Scott has been really, really poor in the last 2 games since his return from Rotherham. He couldn't get in a poor Rotherham side, that we beat, but I thought I would give him a chance and he's now blown that chance and it's back to the B Team and a loan out to the lower leagues next season" Now that, or something along those lines, might very well be what MF thinks. But he can't really say that can he. He's clearly trying to back the kid and put some confidence into him. I think that's a pretty good thing for a Head Coach to do. You wouldn't expect him to say that but on the other hand why say he's been "terrific" when even blind man could see that he hasn't. He just opens his month and bullshit comes out. High wasnt our worst player in that game by any stretch but to describe him as 'terrific' is nonsense, it really is. I get that managers want to fill a player with belief and confidence with their comments but we already have a player in Camara who had those things in abundance. Whilst I think a lot of the criticism of MF is unfounded or exaggerated, playing high ahead of Camara is baffling. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 6, 2023 15:53:58 GMT 1
What exactly would you like our head coach to say about one of our young players. "Scott has been really, really poor in the last 2 games since his return from Rotherham. He couldn't get in a poor Rotherham side, that we beat, but I thought I would give him a chance and he's now blown that chance and it's back to the B Team and a loan out to the lower leagues next season" Now that, or something along those lines, might very well be what MF thinks. But he can't really say that can he. He's clearly trying to back the kid and put some confidence into him. I think that's a pretty good thing for a Head Coach to do. You’ve just reminded me that we beat Rotherham the other week. Hopefully we can even up the season with 2 of our fellow relegation candidates in the next few days… |
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and think he will be a very talented footballer in due course). But what he says about him in the press is not strange for a Head Coach to say about a 21/22 year old who is low on confidence and struggling.