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Post by Tinpot on Aug 14, 2023 10:54:23 GMT 1
Loved the way he was in Winks face all match. Great game for the lad, but his final ball/decision still needs work. A keeper.I think he's better in midfield.
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Post by townarentbest on Aug 14, 2023 10:58:13 GMT 1
Another thing that occurred to me this morning about Diarra, reflecting on how we played on Saturday. His pressing is incredible, as Steve Chicken's brilliant article a few months back highlighted. Not only is it good in itself, but it allows us to play a pressing game that we probably couldn't otherwise. Last season I thought that Rudoni's best position was where Diarra is now. But while he's got a great engine, he's pretty slow. If he was playing there on Saturday, he wouldn't be able to get as tight to Winks as Diarra did, and the press would've been cut through fairly quickly. Most of our best moments were when Diarra won us the ball high up the pitch. Without him there, I'd suggest we're incapable of playing a high press and we're probably defending the 18 yard box. Rudoni also has nothing approaching the sheer physicality of Diarra...it must be a nightmare to play against Diarra, there's nothing particularly complex about what he does, but if you know that EVERY time he gets the ball he's just going to batter forwards with as much physical momentum as he can carry, then its going to wear you down. Footballers want to play against Martin Keown, not Martin Offiah.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Aug 14, 2023 11:31:22 GMT 1
Another thing that occurred to me this morning about Diarra, reflecting on how we played on Saturday. His pressing is incredible, as Steve Chicken's brilliant article a few months back highlighted. Not only is it good in itself, but it allows us to play a pressing game that we probably couldn't otherwise. Last season I thought that Rudoni's best position was where Diarra is now. But while he's got a great engine, he's pretty slow. If he was playing there on Saturday, he wouldn't be able to get as tight to Winks as Diarra did, and the press would've been cut through fairly quickly. Most of our best moments were when Diarra won us the ball high up the pitch. Without him there, I'd suggest we're incapable of playing a high press and we're probably defending the 18 yard box. Rudoni also has nothing approaching the sheer physicality of Diarra...it must be a nightmare to play against Diarra, there's nothing particularly complex about what he does, but if you know that EVERY time he gets the ball he's just going to batter forwards with as much physical momentum as he can carry, then its going to wear you down. Footballers want to play against Martin Keown, not Martin Offiah. He's incredibly agile and quick, as well as being relatively small, so will be really tricky to hold off as you're trying to control the ball.
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Aug 14, 2023 11:41:07 GMT 1
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Post by Detective Boyle on Aug 14, 2023 11:41:07 GMT 1
Another thing that occurred to me this morning about Diarra, reflecting on how we played on Saturday. His pressing is incredible, as Steve Chicken's brilliant article a few months back highlighted. Not only is it good in itself, but it allows us to play a pressing game that we probably couldn't otherwise. Last season I thought that Rudoni's best position was where Diarra is now. But while he's got a great engine, he's pretty slow. If he was playing there on Saturday, he wouldn't be able to get as tight to Winks as Diarra did, and the press would've been cut through fairly quickly. Most of our best moments were when Diarra won us the ball high up the pitch. Without him there, I'd suggest we're incapable of playing a high press and we're probably defending the 18 yard box. On Saturday I completely saw the hype around Diarra. It wasn’t even his final ball, which was poor in the second half - but mostly the physical attributes that you describe. There are not many players in the championship who can press and move with the ball in the way he does. Sort that final ball out and he is unstoppable
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Post by tepidterrier on Aug 14, 2023 11:55:04 GMT 1
I was watching highlights of Crystal Palace and Sheffield United, and was reminded of how good Eberechi Eze was against us a few years ago when he played for QPR. It was a very Diarra-like performance, brilliant on the ball but grafty with it. If he adds that final ball he can go just as far. If we get him on a new contract I'm convinced he'll be our record sale.
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Aug 14, 2023 12:15:24 GMT 1
Post by jasrick on Aug 14, 2023 12:15:24 GMT 1
Another thing that occurred to me this morning about Diarra, reflecting on how we played on Saturday. His pressing is incredible, as Steve Chicken's brilliant article a few months back highlighted. Not only is it good in itself, but it allows us to play a pressing game that we probably couldn't otherwise. Last season I thought that Rudoni's best position was where Diarra is now. But while he's got a great engine, he's pretty slow. If he was playing there on Saturday, he wouldn't be able to get as tight to Winks as Diarra did, and the press would've been cut through fairly quickly. Most of our best moments were when Diarra won us the ball high up the pitch. Without him there, I'd suggest we're incapable of playing a high press and we're probably defending the 18 yard box. Rudoni also has nothing approaching the sheer physicality of Diarra...it must be a nightmare to play against Diarra, there's nothing particularly complex about what he does, but if you know that EVERY time he gets the ball he's just going to batter forwards with as much physical momentum as he can carry, then its going to wear you down. Footballers want to play against Martin Keown, not Martin Offiah. I think you're doing the lad a huge disservice here. Diarra has the ability to dribble past players at will and open up space in front of him - not many players have that ability. When he's trying it in the attacking third he often gets crowded out but when he drops a shoulder and breaks from deep with the ball he's a joy to watch.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Aug 14, 2023 12:22:21 GMT 1
In all fairness to Russell, he was/is just incredibly slow. His footballing brain worked much faster than his legs could cope! I noticed Russell has started every game for Barnsley this season which is something he wasnt doing at all for them last season. Maybe hes upped his efforts levels? Hope so because theres a player in there if he can get his legs moving. In the right formation with players that can do his running he's great.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 14, 2023 12:25:25 GMT 1
I noticed Russell has started every game for Barnsley this season which is something he wasnt doing at all for them last season. Maybe hes upped his efforts levels? Hope so because theres a player in there if he can get his legs moving. In the right formation with players that can do his running he's great. They changed manager too, maybe the new one has decided to go down the Carlos route and use him at what he's good at and use others to do the donkey work for him.
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Post by townarentbest on Aug 14, 2023 12:29:09 GMT 1
Whats also not been mentioned (perhaps because he hasn't scored) - is that Diarra looks to have an incredibly explosive shot 'from nothing'...when in very little space and in seemingly at a non-shooting position, he has that special ability of being able to whack the ball really hard, and mostly on target. It's very very different from that measured Koroma approach where as fans you can see him gradually teasing the ball into his preferred shooting position, and the exepectation raises until he digs out those really cultured finishes...with Diarra its just, "oh, he's ran to the end of another corridor...BANG".
When he does eventually score, he's going to properly score.
Talking THIS
vs THIS
Both superb assets.
On any other day, ONE of those two or the easier opportunity that Helik had go in whilst we're at 0-0, and we've won that game.
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Post by midge on Aug 14, 2023 13:12:34 GMT 1
I think we saw another aspect to Diarra's game as well on Saturday!
As well as the ability to run past players with the ball we all know he can do, his pressing was excellent to the extent that Winks was getting frustrated and lashed out at him at one point(how dare we challenge an ex prem player- don't we know he played for England🙄)
Something Warnock has obviously worked on but that said, he was one of the ones out on his feet later in the game and spurned a great chance when running at them in loads of space as he was clearly knackered!!
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Post by Tiro on Aug 14, 2023 13:28:32 GMT 1
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Post by royrace on Aug 14, 2023 14:39:37 GMT 1
I think we saw another aspect to Diarra's game as well on Saturday! As well as the ability to run past players with the ball we all know he can do, his pressing was excellent to the extent that Winks was getting frustrated and lashed out at him at one point(how dare we challenge an ex prem player- don't we know he played for England🙄) Something Warnock has obviously worked on but that said, he was one of the ones out on his feet later in the game and spurned a great chance when running at them in loads of space as he was clearly knackered!! Yes it was wonderful seeing Winks getting wound up as Diarra diligently and calmly went about his business! I'm sure he must have wanted to say "Don't you know who I am?" on a few occasions! Diarra didn't look fazed one bit! Very mature performance.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Aug 14, 2023 14:54:39 GMT 1
When Ward got in his way and it was offside in the first half, was so frustrating.
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Aug 14, 2023 15:05:43 GMT 1
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 14, 2023 15:05:43 GMT 1
When Ward got in his way and it was offside in the first half, was so frustrating. It was frustrating but bloody unlucky, although he missed anyway.
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Post by Sparrow on Aug 14, 2023 15:15:56 GMT 1
When Ward got in his way and it was offside in the first half, was so frustrating. It was frustrating but bloody unlucky, although he missed anyway. Have to say I was going mad when Ward got in his way. I recon he'd have scored if he'd gone clean through.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Aug 14, 2023 15:21:36 GMT 1
Loved the way he was in Winks face all match. Great game for the lad, but his final ball/decision still needs work. A keeper.I think he's better in midfield.
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Post by Tiro on Aug 14, 2023 15:26:22 GMT 1
When Ward got in his way and it was offside in the first half, was so frustrating. Especially when he sat the defender on his arse after it.
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Aug 14, 2023 15:34:46 GMT 1
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 14, 2023 15:34:46 GMT 1
It was frustrating but bloody unlucky, although he missed anyway. Have to say I was going mad when Ward got in his way. I recon he'd have scored if he'd gone clean through. Chicken in the Examiner said that was Diarra's fault for a poor touch, which it clearly wasn't.
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Aug 14, 2023 16:23:19 GMT 1
Post by gledholt terrier on Aug 14, 2023 16:23:19 GMT 1
Have to say I was going mad when Ward got in his way. I recon he'd have scored if he'd gone clean through. Chicken in the Examiner said that was Diarra's fault for a poor touch, which it clearly wasn't. They love Wardy on Ooh to be….
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Aug 14, 2023 17:12:30 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Aug 14, 2023 17:12:30 GMT 1
I agree with chicken. thought Diarra accidentally knocked it off ward back to himself. Bit harsh to blame ward for that..he wasnt asking for the ball and cant just vanish.
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Aug 14, 2023 17:18:43 GMT 1
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Post by harris on Aug 14, 2023 17:18:43 GMT 1
I agree with chicken. thought Diarra accidentally knocked it off ward back to himself. Bit harsh to blame ward for that..he wasnt asking for the ball and cant just vanish. He was actually onside too!
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Aug 14, 2023 17:24:00 GMT 1
Post by gledholt terrier on Aug 14, 2023 17:24:00 GMT 1
I agree with chicken. thought Diarra accidentally knocked it off ward back to himself. Bit harsh to blame ward for that..he wasnt asking for the ball and cant just vanish. He was actually onside too! And then he missed.
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Post by crux on Aug 14, 2023 17:39:32 GMT 1
I agree with chicken. thought Diarra accidentally knocked it off ward back to himself. Bit harsh to blame ward for that..he wasnt asking for the ball and cant just vanish. He was actually onside too! He'll have been coming back from an offside position, he invariably is when we've got the ball 😏
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 14, 2023 17:46:02 GMT 1
Anyway, important thing is we've got a real player in Diarra. He could go to the very top.
And so could Pat Jones. Theres a lad who's barely been playing over a long period and he came on and had their full back on toast. What a turn of pace and skill..and courage to take the man on! If he can get over the hamstring issues hes another that could get to the very top IMO.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 14, 2023 19:09:32 GMT 1
Anyway, important thing is we've got a real player in Diarra. He could go to the very top. And so could Pat Jones. Theres a lad who's barely been playing over a long period and he came on and had their full back on toast. What a turn of pace and skill..and courage to take the man on! If he can get over the hamstring issues hes another that could get to the very top IMO. That's the big IF. 🤞🤞🤞
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Aug 14, 2023 19:26:23 GMT 1
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Post by schindlersmissed on Aug 14, 2023 19:26:23 GMT 1
I think we saw another aspect to Diarra's game as well on Saturday! As well as the ability to run past players with the ball we all know he can do, his pressing was excellent to the extent that Winks was getting frustrated and lashed out at him at one point(how dare we challenge an ex prem player- don't we know he played for England🙄) Something Warnock has obviously worked on but that said, he was one of the ones out on his feet later in the game and spurned a great chance when running at them in loads of space as he was clearly knackered!! And there’s a third aspect I noticed recently and particularly on Saturday- for a small man he wins a decent number of headers.
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Post by harris on Aug 14, 2023 19:49:46 GMT 1
He was actually onside too! And then he missed. Everyone had stopped and he made a half arsed attempt to score, wouldn’t judge it on that.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Aug 14, 2023 20:52:25 GMT 1
Everyone had stopped and he made a half arsed attempt to score, wouldn’t judge it on that. That’s fair enough
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Aug 15, 2023 2:29:52 GMT 1
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Post by Convictatthemac on Aug 15, 2023 2:29:52 GMT 1
I agree with chicken. thought Diarra accidentally knocked it off ward back to himself. Bit harsh to blame ward for that..he wasnt asking for the ball and cant just vanish. Its the problem with Ward and it will effect Diarra’s ability to develop, but Ward’s movement as a striker isn’t great. Ward isn’t quick and he lacks the movement to create space, part of the reason why he doesn’t score more than 10 a season. We desperately need someone who can create space for Diarra or get into a space that gives Diarra the ability to slip a ball through for them.
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 15, 2023 8:29:23 GMT 1
I agree with chicken. thought Diarra accidentally knocked it off ward back to himself. Bit harsh to blame ward for that..he wasnt asking for the ball and cant just vanish. Its the problem with Ward and it will effect Diarra’s ability to develop, but Ward’s movement as a striker isn’t great. Ward isn’t quick and he lacks the movement to create space, part of the reason why he doesn’t score more than 10 a season. We desperately need someone who can create space for Diarra or get into a space that gives Diarra the ability to slip a ball through for them. Porbably, but i think a more urgent issue is coaching Diarra to actually make the pass when its on. At the moment I think the obvious flaw in his game is that he lacks a bit of awareness of whats happening around him when he makes those breaks through the middle.
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