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Post by upthetown on Feb 11, 2023 18:08:36 GMT 1
I’m so sick of seeing us sit back and try to just not lose or concede with only one player anywhere near the opponents half.
Even when we inevitably concede we still don’t have any urgency. That last 10 mins we should have been trying something different - even if Boyle and Pearson pushed up and going long to them to flick on to Rhodes. Or getting crosses in to the box with us overloading the penalty area. But still the same old slow motion passing across the back four, in your Hogg, back to the centre back.
No urgency and never looked like scoring in that second half. Even at 1-0 down we play like we are in front and just running the clock down.
If Warnock will take it get him in and let’s have a go at staying up at least.
I’d still prefer Wilder longer term, but, as it stands we are sleepwalking in to relegation yet again. Bloody sick of it.
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Post by Flowerdisco on Feb 11, 2023 18:09:47 GMT 1
Viewpoint is we need a proper clear out in league one, a lot of these "players" will be gone. A new manager will be in but now I feel its gone too far for us to attract a deceng manager and usually glass half full I've lost my glass.
This is seriously bad and I feel if we get relegated we may not come straight back up and in fact things could get worse.
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Post by Mounie for nothing on Feb 11, 2023 18:10:16 GMT 1
Yes the managerial situation has been shit, the recruitment was shit but the players have also been shit. I'm particularly looking at players that should be the leaders in our side. Hogg, Lees, Pearson, Waghorn, Rhodes, Knockaert. Vastly experienced players yet all completely unable to drive those around then forward when the chips are down. You can be set up wrong and have an off day but show some personal pride for gods sake. It's as if there isn't a bollock between them. Attitude reflects leadership, responsiblity is in authourity |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 11, 2023 18:11:16 GMT 1
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Post by hxterrierhx on Feb 11, 2023 18:11:58 GMT 1
Anybody that doesn’t want Warnock now is deluded. He would struggle getting a shift out of these lot. You can change the Manager but it's the same old, same old on the pitch. We have nothing in central midfield and nothing up top to feed off. We don't have a left back at the club how ridiculous is that. Bring back Jacko, great escape2! If the players aren't willing to put a shift in then it matters not who we bring in. I can't think of 1 manager/coach on the planet that could a tune out this bargain basement no one else wanted band of players. The 7 players Jacko had the start of his second spell would beat that starting XI today - and most of them lads will be pushing 40+ now. |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Feb 11, 2023 18:12:36 GMT 1
Is that all the club have to offer thanks to greedy Hoyle as all players seem on the beach abit to early
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Post by kennyk2 on Feb 11, 2023 18:12:54 GMT 1
It's hard to blame the coaches. With three of them not getting a performance out of these players, it has to be a lack of quality from the players along with no willingness to invest in Championship quality players. I never got the Rudoni love-in... he would have been nowhere near the squad last year.
The default now is to prepare for League 1 football and start to look at it now.
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Feb 11, 2023 18:12:55 GMT 1
This one hurts. How do we stop the rot?! 6 pointer. Not just for points on the table, but for mindset, momentum, belief.
I like many was optimistic that we put our best foot forward (for the most part) with the team selection. But, second half we lost all the good things that we did in the first half.
There is a mentality issue for sure. To concede 16 goals in the last 15 minutes in a season is criminal, like I mentioned before. We're going into games, hoping not to lose, rather than going to win. Taking a point rather than going for it. Games will always ebb and flow, and there will be some time where every team is under pressure, but, we looked like we just accepted it, became very one dimensional, no outlet, no press, straight line running.
The players don't need a bollocking, what they need and urgently, is a change in philosophy, a change in mindset, a change in what is required to win football games. The last 30 mins you could see how much Wigan wanted it. They attacked, they applied pressure, and then when they took the lead, they put the ball anywhere, and everywhere. Furtherest away from their goal, not inviting pressure.
I don't like when we single out players for poor performances. Don't get on Ruffels, Rudoni back etc. I've seen world class players over hit free kicks and crosses, but all the players look void of confidence, the spring in the step, the extra yard that that self belief gives them. I'll only truly criticize a player if they're not doing f**k all, or wanting to win a tackle, be available for a pass. They players were selected so we should get behind them.
The subs today were confusing, slow and lethargic and. changed our shape.
If only someone knew how to stop the rot. Realistically, we need 27 points from the next 16 games (48 points available). Total of 55 points. The remit has to be average 1.7 point average. It's a tough ask, but we need a new manager bounce and ASAP!
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Post by 28901 on Feb 11, 2023 18:13:01 GMT 1
Scot High must be wondering what he did wrong
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2023 18:13:17 GMT 1
Vaclik - not a surprise he is injured can’t even walk
Turton - unlucky injured again
Lees - does anyone else not see how awful he has been it like he is undroppable
Pearson - did ok considering switch to RB and still not fully match sharpe
Ruffles - well he isn’t good enough but wasn’t the worst player today
Hogg - not his worst game but did very little
Camara - just looks a bit lost maybe his confidence is shot from MF
AK - good we need to get him fully match fit and will create something
JR - how does he keep starting offered zero all season would be anywhere near starting for me.
Hungbo - positive first half kind of out of the game second
Waghorn - offers very little but we don’t have anything Better
Boyle - did ok and better to have a left foot in the back
Mahoney - why why was he anywhere on this pitch
Rhodes - we didn’t get forward so difficult to do anything
Bill - young lad but has ability needs to learn to come for a cross we are under pressure as soon as he is on.
JH - why did he come on I have no clue
Koroma - need a goal and he isn’t on the pitch no idea why
Lowton - has been poor yes but no reason not to be on the bench today
Kasumu - offer more energy and better than JR
Simpson - what’s happened to him
Jones - we need his pace back to have an out ball
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Post by ACW on Feb 11, 2023 18:13:19 GMT 1
That was shocking management/coaching whatever you want to call it Slow, sideways bollocks all game. No real intent to win it. 1 striker isolated all game. Get someone in who will get us knocking it forward rather than trying to make players like Hogg, Pearson, Lees etc play tippy tappy shite which they have never been capable of I thought half the problem was that we hoofed it too much? |
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Post by ben1987 on Feb 11, 2023 18:13:19 GMT 1
SPEND SOME FUCKING MONEY ON A FUCKING MANAGER. Not sure if not too late for even that. What we should have done is spent some money on some fucking players. But no, why build on a 3rd place finish when you can cut to a league 1 budget instead. I’ve posted it before but I don’t actually care. “In terms of the Club’s ambition moving forward, last season has set the standard for us. We all understand that football, particularly in the Championship, has ups and downs season by season, but it is our aim to be in and around the upper echelons of the division. That should be the aim of every team in this division when the first game comes around. I firmly believe the squad is well set for the season ahead, but we will never stop looking at ways to keep improving within our means” www.htafc.com/news/2022/july/an-update-from-the-board--dean-hoyle/For what it’s worth, I still think sacking MF was done months too late. All the word was during his entire reign was that the players didn’t like him and all they did was run in training. Apart from the fact that this squad is no where near what Hoyle thought it was, the players have been coached so badly that watching them is like watching some athletes with football boots on. Tactically, technically and quality deficient. For all the vitriol that’s thrown fotheringham and brombys way, rightly, the vast majority of this lays at one man’s door. Literally everything good we achieved, developed and created has been lost in a blink. |
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Post by wildhogg on Feb 11, 2023 18:13:40 GMT 1
Every single fan knows that we need an experienced motivator and man-manager if we're to have even a chance of staying up. You can almost guarantee that we'll end up with either Narcis (despite today) or another version of MMF.
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Post by detox on Feb 11, 2023 18:14:01 GMT 1
Gutless pathetic effort that..where are th on filed leaders ? the senior players ? Hogg, Pearson, Rhodes...where are they, why aren't they organising themselves and their team mates ?
We have no attacking midfield, we play it wide and it goes straight back to CB, try the other wing..the same ..pass through midfield. straight back to CB's...we're playing backwards not forwards..we are a million miles off surviving this season...it's just awful, in fact it's a disgrace .
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Post by goodbet on Feb 11, 2023 18:14:01 GMT 1
We were poor and we got worse.
Went behind and did nothing.
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Post by hotshot on Feb 11, 2023 18:14:29 GMT 1
Shocking performance. How on earth can Mahoney get in ahead of Koroma after Tuesday is beyond me. Camara was particularly poor.
Makes me wonder if Bromby picked that side today given Camara and Mahoney are both his signings and probably wanted to justify their existence by playing them.
Bringing a defender (Headley) on at the end instead of Koroma when we need a goal is unforgivable really.
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Post by goodbet on Feb 11, 2023 18:15:09 GMT 1
It's hard to blame the coaches. With three of them not getting a performance out of these players, it has to be a lack of quality from the players along with no willingness to invest in Championship quality players. I never got the Rudoni love-in... he would have been nowhere near the squad last year. The default now is to prepare for League 1 football and start to look at it now. Bromby has been preparing us for League 1 for some time now. |
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Post by 28901 on Feb 11, 2023 18:15:32 GMT 1
This one hurts. How do we stop the rot?! 6 pointer. Not just for points on the table, but for mindset, momentum, belief. I like many was optimistic that we put our best foot forward (for the most part) with the team selection. But, second half we lost all the good things that we did in the first half. There is a mentality issue for sure. To concede 16 goals in the last 15 minutes in a season is criminal, like I mentioned before. We're going into games, hoping not to lose, rather than going to win. Taking a point rather than going for it. Games will always ebb and flow, and there will be some time where every team is under pressure, but, we looked like we just accepted it, became very one dimensional, no outlet, no press, straight line running. The players don't need a bollocking, what they need and urgently, is a change in philosophy, a change in mindset, a change in what is required to win football games. The last 30 mins you could see how much Wigan wanted it. They attacked, they applied pressure, and then when they took the lead, they put the ball anywhere, and everywhere. Furtherest away from their goal, not inviting pressure. I don't like when we single out players for poor performances. Don't get on Ruffels, Rudoni back etc. I've seen world class players over hit free kicks and crosses, but all the players look void of confidence, the spring in the step, the extra yard that that self belief gives them. I'll only truly criticize a player if they're not doing f**k all, or wanting to win a tackle, be available for a pass. They players were selected so we should get behind them. The subs today were confusing, slow and lethargic and. changed our shape. If only someone knew how to stop the rot. Realistically, we need 27 points from the next 16 games (48 points available). Total of 55 points. The remit has to be average 1.7 point average. It's a tough ask, but we need a new manager bounce and ASAP! Imagine how many late goals we would concede if the players didn't do all that fitness training... |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 11, 2023 18:17:42 GMT 1
Might be nice if the failures we have in shirts tell us who they 'respect' enough to play for and work hard for? Notwithstanding you need self respect that you earn, not just a wage slip, to choose who you listen to?  The injury list always lengthen when results are bad, its a professional footballer 'thing'. Once behind this squad/team are done. Being incredibly dull just adds insult to injury. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Feb 11, 2023 18:18:12 GMT 1
It's hard to blame the coaches. With three of them not getting a performance out of these players, it has to be a lack of quality from the players along with no willingness to invest in Championship quality players. I never got the Rudoni love-in... he would have been nowhere near the squad last year. The default now is to prepare for League 1 football and start to look at it now. Exactly this. Even Warnock wouldn’t get a shift out of this motley bunch. We have barely a handful of decent players, but they need to be played regularly and gel as a team. I fear it’s way too late now, but perhaps a miracle against Stoke… |
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Post by rugbyterrier on Feb 11, 2023 18:20:47 GMT 1
Not sure if not too late for even that. What we should have done is spent some money on some fucking players. But no, why build on a 3rd place finish when you can cut to a league 1 budget instead. I’ve posted it before but I don’t actually care. “In terms of the Club’s ambition moving forward, last season has set the standard for us. We all understand that football, particularly in the Championship, has ups and downs season by season, but it is our aim to be in and around the upper echelons of the division. That should be the aim of every team in this division when the first game comes around. I firmly believe the squad is well set for the season ahead, but we will never stop looking at ways to keep improving within our means” www.htafc.com/news/2022/july/an-update-from-the-board--dean-hoyle/For what it’s worth, I still think sacking MF was done months too late. All the word was during his entire reign was that the players didn’t like him and all they did was run in training. Apart from the fact that this squad is no where near what Hoyle thought it was, the players have been coached so badly that watching them is like watching some athletes with football boots on. Tactically, technically and quality deficient. For all the vitriol that’s thrown fotheringham and brombys way, rightly, the vast majority of this lays at one man’s door. Literally everything good we achieved, developed and created has been lost in a blink. Spot on. That crass and arrogant statement by Hoyle resonates even louder this evening. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 11, 2023 18:20:59 GMT 1
We were poor and we got worse. Went behind and did nothing. 17 syllables in a haiku . |
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Post by Mastercracker on Feb 11, 2023 18:21:06 GMT 1
Not sure if not too late for even that. What we should have done is spent some money on some fucking players. But no, why build on a 3rd place finish when you can cut to a league 1 budget instead. I’ve posted it before but I don’t actually care. “In terms of the Club’s ambition moving forward, last season has set the standard for us. We all understand that football, particularly in the Championship, has ups and downs season by season, but it is our aim to be in and around the upper echelons of the division. That should be the aim of every team in this division when the first game comes around. I firmly believe the squad is well set for the season ahead, but we will never stop looking at ways to keep improving within our means” www.htafc.com/news/2022/july/an-update-from-the-board--dean-hoyle/For what it’s worth, I still think sacking MF was done months too late. All the word was during his entire reign was that the players didn’t like him and all they did was run in training. Apart from the fact that this squad is no where near what Hoyle thought it was, the players have been coached so badly that watching them is like watching some athletes with football boots on. Tactically, technically and quality deficient. For all the vitriol that’s thrown fotheringham and brombys way, rightly, the vast majority of this lays at one man’s door. Literally everything good we achieved, developed and created has been lost in a blink. Now you’re just being entitled. Expecting a championship budget when your season card is £249, call yourself a fan? |
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Post by ben1987 on Feb 11, 2023 18:23:38 GMT 1
I’ve posted it before but I don’t actually care. “In terms of the Club’s ambition moving forward, last season has set the standard for us. We all understand that football, particularly in the Championship, has ups and downs season by season, but it is our aim to be in and around the upper echelons of the division. That should be the aim of every team in this division when the first game comes around. I firmly believe the squad is well set for the season ahead, but we will never stop looking at ways to keep improving within our means” www.htafc.com/news/2022/july/an-update-from-the-board--dean-hoyle/For what it’s worth, I still think sacking MF was done months too late. All the word was during his entire reign was that the players didn’t like him and all they did was run in training. Apart from the fact that this squad is no where near what Hoyle thought it was, the players have been coached so badly that watching them is like watching some athletes with football boots on. Tactically, technically and quality deficient. For all the vitriol that’s thrown fotheringham and brombys way, rightly, the vast majority of this lays at one man’s door. Literally everything good we achieved, developed and created has been lost in a blink. Now you’re just being entitled. Expecting a championship budget when your season card is £249, call yourself a fan? I’d like to see how much we’ve overspent this year on rank average players, two managers and the cost of relegation. |
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Post by boooothy on Feb 11, 2023 18:24:10 GMT 1
That’s a new low. Ridiculous team selection (particularly the subs) and then the substitutions were pathetic, absolutely ridiculous.
Crap Chicho. He can’t be blamed for this utterly stupid stupid goalkeeper signing. Can we make an emergency loan? We need to.
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Post by huddersfc on Feb 11, 2023 18:24:45 GMT 1
The decline was never going to change in a couple of days. Its embedded into the club and the players. Most players would come out fighting like fuck after this week. Losing the lead twice to a dreadful relegation rival with 10 men. Then seeing the manager sacked. But nothing. It was a performance of a team that looked like they were down already. Bizarre subs yet again like MF was still making them.
But what can you really expect after the summer. Its been said before, but you cant let a manager leave who got you to the playoff final and replace him with a first team coach right before the start of the season. You can't sell our one player who could drive forward and open teams up through the middle within a couple of touches, and not replace him with someone similar, instead of a kid from the league below. Players like Kasumu and Rudoni needed a season playing second fiddle to someone like O'B, and getting minutes and learning. We sold Toffolo and replaced him with no-one. All those goals and assists and attacks from left back. We replaced him with Ruffels who we knew wasnt good enough.
If this isnt a fixture next season in League 1 I would be stunned. Us Blackpool and Wigan will go down, and we have mustered 1 point from a possible 12 from them.
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Post by htfcterry on Feb 11, 2023 18:25:08 GMT 1
Regardless of ownership, manager issues etc.
The players should fucking be ashamed of that performance. Not 1 player can hold their head up high. Hope they read this too, fucking useless.
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Post by 28901 on Feb 11, 2023 18:25:33 GMT 1
I thought the starting xi was ok.
But why no Lowton and Diarra on the bench?
And the subs made were dreadful.
Thes players are getting worse by the week.
A few weeks back I thought there was enough quality in the club but they look awful now.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 11, 2023 18:26:02 GMT 1
It's hard to blame the coaches. With three of them not getting a performance out of these players, it has to be a lack of quality from the players along with no willingness to invest in Championship quality players. I never got the Rudoni love-in... he would have been nowhere near the squad last year. The default now is to prepare for League 1 football and start to look at it now. Exactly this. Even Warnock wouldn’t get a shift out of this motley bunch. We have barely a handful of decent players, but they need to be played regularly and gel as a team. I fear it’s way too late now, but perhaps a miracle against Stoke… You need the desire to play where the ball is, in both halves. You work hard to get the opportunity to play, you work hard to support the play when we have it. Its been missing this season, it was totally awol today. I pay to watch the talent but with zero extra graft, im being shortchanged by players simply going through the motions and collecting their money. In real life 4 or 5 would be on final written warnings by now and their cards in a week or so. If they have a fall out in the dressing room today the easy question is where is the fucking fight out there, you tarts?? |
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Post by dugnet on Feb 11, 2023 18:26:13 GMT 1
I hoped for better today but the stark reality of our plight was confirmed in no uncertain terms.
We must try to ensure we don't allow this rot to set in. If we don't address the situation ie plan, mindset, identity, belief, then this tauper will continue.
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