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Post by drumriggend on Sept 20, 2023 9:01:31 GMT 1
And us sensible ones will be back to remind you and captain slack bladder what utter shite you keep spouting The same shit we got when we didn't like the Fotheringhay appointment and who was proved to be right?? In the real world if you think something isn't right then you speak out about it!! Talk about lemmings You're posts are far from sensible slagging off Americans at every opportunity, even using racial slurs like 'Yank'. A lot didn't like Fotheringham, a lot gave him a chance, he turned out to be shite. Maybe Neil looked overly good because the 2 before him were utter shite. The bottom line is, a plan has come together quicker than expected. Everyone knew that Neil would be going when this happened. Don't see the attempted fail of a name caller towards another poster has come from either. Point of order.. Yank is not a racial slur.. 🍻🍻
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Post by morleyterrier on Sept 20, 2023 9:02:07 GMT 1
For those that are stating that it was only a temporary appointment to support or try and make sense of the decision. I get that and to be fair, there was never going to be a good time for this decision I guess. However, let me put it another way. If we had a star striker, a striker who scores 25 goals a season and whose overall contribution to the Team cannot be underestimated, a big part of the Club and Team and a real fans favourite. Now this Striker is set to leave at the end of the season, we all know that. The Player is also very happy here and absolutely wants to stay until the end of the season. And continue to play their part and be integral to the Team and what we achieve on the pitch. The Club though decides the striker is going now, close to the start of the season (and against the Strikers wishes). In the thought or hope that they can get another 25 goals a season striker in straight away that will also have so much influence and be a fans favourite. Okay, the Club might unearth a 27-30 goals a season striker that is better than the one that has just left. The likelihood is though that the replacement will be 15-20 goals if we are lucky. Why would we not want the Striker at the Club for as long as they were happy to be here?. And, who knows, they may even change their mind in the summer and agree to stay longer. It is utter nonsense that we are not maximising the time that Warnock (and his Team) wants to spend at this football Club. And in terms of him going at the end of the season, who knows, he may have agreed to stay longer as it isn't like he hasn't changed his mind 100 times is it!. We will never know. A lot of ifs, buts and maybes in there!! Totally get your point but in reality most of us were thinking of a survival season, maybe safe mid table at best, so it’s not like we are in a really great or really bad position with NW at the helm, and in that respect - unless it’s a massive cock up and we get relegated - anyone coming in doesn’t really have the highest bar set to achieve this season….. Yes plenty of if's, but's and maybe's!. As we know, it is all about opinions on here and my view is that the 'Warnock factor' and impact / influence he has is underestimated. Look at our squad compared to other Championship squads, it's a tough ask just to stay at this level and I am not sure that realistically we can expect anything other than comfortable survival, perhaps mid-table as you say. That is though with Warnock at the helm. Another Manager with the same squad and Teams we have to play against?. I think it is a big ask to just maintain where we are and hopefully achieve a comfortable finish with no relegation worries, never mind significantly improve it from where we are currently. I am not sure this is possible. We will see!.
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Post by midlander on Sept 20, 2023 9:06:22 GMT 1
For those that are stating that it was only a temporary appointment to support or try and make sense of the decision. I get that and to be fair, there was never going to be a good time for this decision I guess. However, let me put it another way. If we had a star striker, a striker who scores 25 goals a season and whose overall contribution to the Team cannot be underestimated, a big part of the Club and Team and a real fans favourite. Now this Striker is set to leave at the end of the season, we all know that. The Player is also very happy here and absolutely wants to stay until the end of the season. And continue to play their part and be integral to the Team and what we achieve on the pitch. The Club though decides the striker is going now, close to the start of the season (and against the Strikers wishes). In the thought or hope that they can get another 25 goals a season striker in straight away that will also have so much influence and be a fans favourite. Okay, the Club might unearth a 27-30 goals a season striker that is better than the one that has just left. The likelihood is though that the replacement will be 15-20 goals if we are lucky. Why would we not want the Striker at the Club for as long as they were happy to be here?. And, who knows, they may even change their mind in the summer and agree to stay longer. It is utter nonsense that we are not maximising the time that Warnock (and his Team) wants to spend at this football Club. And in terms of him going at the end of the season, who knows, he may have agreed to stay longer as it isn't like he hasn't changed his mind 100 times is it!. We will never know. I understand the comparison you are trying to make here, but a club could keep said striker for the season and recruit his successor at the same time and have both on the books. Cannot do that with a manager.
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Post by midlander on Sept 20, 2023 9:10:50 GMT 1
For those that are stating that it was only a temporary appointment to support or try and make sense of the decision. I get that and to be fair, there was never going to be a good time for this decision I guess. However, let me put it another way. If we had a star striker, a striker who scores 25 goals a season and whose overall contribution to the Team cannot be underestimated, a big part of the Club and Team and a real fans favourite. Now this Striker is set to leave at the end of the season, we all know that. The Player is also very happy here and absolutely wants to stay until the end of the season. And continue to play their part and be integral to the Team and what we achieve on the pitch. The Club though decides the striker is going now, close to the start of the season (and against the Strikers wishes). In the thought or hope that they can get another 25 goals a season striker in straight away that will also have so much influence and be a fans favourite. Okay, the Club might unearth a 27-30 goals a season striker that is better than the one that has just left. The likelihood is though that the replacement will be 15-20 goals if we are lucky. Why would we not want the Striker at the Club for as long as they were happy to be here?. And, who knows, they may even change their mind in the summer and agree to stay longer. It is utter nonsense that we are not maximising the time that Warnock (and his Team) wants to spend at this football Club. And in terms of him going at the end of the season, who knows, he may have agreed to stay longer as it isn't like he hasn't changed his mind 100 times is it!. We will never know. Exactly my thoughts. You don’t get rid of Messi if he’s retiring at the end of the season cause James Maddison became available. Nope, you keep Messi and sign Maddison as well. But, what if Mbappe was available to you on a four year contract, but you would need to release Messi to bring him in....not an easy decision. Keep the short-term, one-season only option, or bring in his heir apparent and look to the longer-term?
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Post by King Neil on Sept 20, 2023 9:13:04 GMT 1
And us sensible ones will be back to remind you and captain slack bladder what utter shite you keep spouting The same shit we got when we didn't like the Fotheringhay appointment and who was proved to be right?? In the real world if you think something isn't right then you speak out about it!! Talk about lemmings You're posts are far from sensible slagging off Americans at every opportunity, even using racial slurs like 'Yank'. A lot didn't like Fotheringham, a lot gave him a chance, he turned out to be shite. Maybe Neil looked overly good because the 2 before him were utter shite. The bottom line is, a plan has come together quicker than expected. Everyone knew that Neil would be going when this happened. Don't see the attempted fail of a name caller towards another poster has come from either. There's a little cliché on here that think they are always right about everything...they just accept anything that the club throw at them and that any criticism of any club decision renders them un patriotic and trouble causers Yet despite being told to grow up...how old are you...fuck off and support leeds etc..we carry on trying to steer you on the right path The 4/5 of you on here are in a minority and you will see that this evening at the game
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Post by Drew Peacock on Sept 20, 2023 9:14:13 GMT 1
For those that are stating that it was only a temporary appointment to support or try and make sense of the decision. I get that and to be fair, there was never going to be a good time for this decision I guess. However, let me put it another way. If we had a star striker, a striker who scores 25 goals a season and whose overall contribution to the Team cannot be underestimated, a big part of the Club and Team and a real fans favourite. Now this Striker is set to leave at the end of the season, we all know that. The Player is also very happy here and absolutely wants to stay until the end of the season. And continue to play their part and be integral to the Team and what we achieve on the pitch. The Club though decides the striker is going now, close to the start of the season (and against the Strikers wishes). In the thought or hope that they can get another 25 goals a season striker in straight away that will also have so much influence and be a fans favourite. Okay, the Club might unearth a 27-30 goals a season striker that is better than the one that has just left. The likelihood is though that the replacement will be 15-20 goals if we are lucky. Why would we not want the Striker at the Club for as long as they were happy to be here?. And, who knows, they may even change their mind in the summer and agree to stay longer. It is utter nonsense that we are not maximising the time that Warnock (and his Team) wants to spend at this football Club. And in terms of him going at the end of the season, who knows, he may have agreed to stay longer as it isn't like he hasn't changed his mind 100 times is it!. We will never know. Is the striker in the last year of his contract? If he is you'd 99% of the time sell him while you can get a fee.
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Post by Mastercracker on Sept 20, 2023 9:14:45 GMT 1
Hate those Clichés
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Post by Drew Peacock on Sept 20, 2023 9:15:10 GMT 1
You're posts are far from sensible slagging off Americans at every opportunity, even using racial slurs like 'Yank'. A lot didn't like Fotheringham, a lot gave him a chance, he turned out to be shite. Maybe Neil looked overly good because the 2 before him were utter shite. The bottom line is, a plan has come together quicker than expected. Everyone knew that Neil would be going when this happened. Don't see the attempted fail of a name caller towards another poster has come from either. There's a little cliché on here that think they are always right about everything...they just accept anything that the club throw at them and that any criticism of any club decision renders them un patriotic and trouble causers Yet despite being told to grow up...how old are you...fuck off and support leeds etc..we carry on trying to steer you on the right path The 4/5 of you on here are in a minority and you will see that this evening at the game You think you're on the right path, while consistently posting false information. Yeah alright.
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Post by htafcokay on Sept 20, 2023 9:20:08 GMT 1
One more year was how it was marketed, not "temporary manager".
More rewriting of history by Town fans. As usual.
Jake Edwards in June 2023: “We’ve heard Town fans loud and clear, both at the Reading game and ever since. You all wanted ‘one more year’ under Neil and Ronnie, and this had to be our first order of business as we prepare for the new season.
“We’re so pleased Neil has agreed to stay on for another season. I know how determined he is to build on the job he’s done last season, and he offers us great experience and stability on the football side as we prepare for the prospective change of ownership.”
Hope the new fella is as good as Warnock, otherwise it's gonna turn pretty quickly.
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Post by detox on Sept 20, 2023 9:23:03 GMT 1
For those that are stating that it was only a temporary appointment to support or try and make sense of the decision. I get that and to be fair, there was never going to be a good time for this decision I guess. However, let me put it another way. If we had a star striker, a striker who scores 25 goals a season and whose overall contribution to the Team cannot be underestimated, a big part of the Club and Team and a real fans favourite. Now this Striker is set to leave at the end of the season, we all know that. The Player is also very happy here and absolutely wants to stay until the end of the season. And continue to play their part and be integral to the Team and what we achieve on the pitch. The Club though decides the striker is going now, close to the start of the season (and against the Strikers wishes). In the thought or hope that they can get another 25 goals a season striker in straight away that will also have so much influence and be a fans favourite. Okay, the Club might unearth a 27-30 goals a season striker that is better than the one that has just left. The likelihood is though that the replacement will be 15-20 goals if we are lucky. Why would we not want the Striker at the Club for as long as they were happy to be here?. And, who knows, they may even change their mind in the summer and agree to stay longer. It is utter nonsense that we are not maximising the time that Warnock (and his Team) wants to spend at this football Club. And in terms of him going at the end of the season, who knows, he may have agreed to stay longer as it isn't like he hasn't changed his mind 100 times is it!. We will never know. This is your 2nd long rambling moan about this.. I do get your disappointment but we have to look at the reality. KN has bought the club and obviously wants to 'get on' with things..he asked NW/RJ to run things until a new long term appointment could be made, someone who can (hopefully) lead the club over the next 3 years, someone who KN will give transfer funds and who will lead Town to the target of the PL.
That's KN's plan..that's what he's aiming for...and I can fully understand him wanting to get things moving, the same way as he's already set plans for the Academy and for ownership of the JSS etc...he's a man who wants to move fast.
It might have taken until next year for his 'right man' to come along in which case NW was tied up , just in case. That's good business, but his 'man' has suddenly emerged so he's struck quick to secure him...again good business (although as ever, time will tell). I don't blame KN at all for this approach..what do you expect him to do, see the guy he wants but let him go just to leave NW in charge in the hope another 'right man' will come along before the end of the season ? It matters not if NW is winning games or losing games, because NW is NOT part of the future of this club. Not as far as KN is concerned and not as far as NW is concerned because he doesn't want to commit to 3 years.
Ultimately we have to accept the owner has the right to do things his own way, and in this case I agree with what he has done if he is so sure that the new coach is the right person to deliver his 3 year plan. NW , I reiterate, is not part of the future of this club, he doesn't want to be..that's fine, so the sooner we get someone in who wants to be part of our future the better I say.
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Post by royrace on Sept 20, 2023 9:27:00 GMT 1
One more year was how it was marketed, not "temporary manager". More rewriting of history by Town fans. As usual. Jake Edwards in June 2023: “We’ve heard Town fans loud and clear, both at the Reading game and ever since. You all wanted ‘one more year’ under Neil and Ronnie, and this had to be our first order of business as we prepare for the new season. “We’re so pleased Neil has agreed to stay on for another season. I know how determined he is to build on the job he’s done last season, and he offers us great experience and stability on the football side as we prepare for the prospective change of ownership.” Hope the new fella is as good as Warnock, otherwise it's gonna turn pretty quickly. Yes but they always said it was only til xmas, its just come early, it was always the plan to have a crap window then give him and his coaching team 4 games before replacing him etc etc etc.....etc, blah, blah
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Post by irverino on Sept 20, 2023 9:29:42 GMT 1
You're posts are far from sensible slagging off Americans at every opportunity, even using racial slurs like 'Yank'. A lot didn't like Fotheringham, a lot gave him a chance, he turned out to be shite. Maybe Neil looked overly good because the 2 before him were utter shite. The bottom line is, a plan has come together quicker than expected. Everyone knew that Neil would be going when this happened. Don't see the attempted fail of a name caller towards another poster has come from either. There's a little cliché on here that think they are always right about everything...they just accept anything that the club throw at them and that any criticism of any club decision renders them un patriotic and trouble causers Yet despite being told to grow up...how old are you...fuck off and support leeds etc..we carry on trying to steer you on the right path The 4/5 of you on here are in a minority and you will see that this evening at the game The one thing we are all 100% on is that we all hope to f*ck the board have got the right man to deliver what ambitions they have going forward.......I'm sure a lot of messages have been read on all sides of the debate, we are paying customers with a point of view.
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Post by morleyterrier on Sept 20, 2023 9:32:35 GMT 1
For those that are stating that it was only a temporary appointment to support or try and make sense of the decision. I get that and to be fair, there was never going to be a good time for this decision I guess. However, let me put it another way. If we had a star striker, a striker who scores 25 goals a season and whose overall contribution to the Team cannot be underestimated, a big part of the Club and Team and a real fans favourite. Now this Striker is set to leave at the end of the season, we all know that. The Player is also very happy here and absolutely wants to stay until the end of the season. And continue to play their part and be integral to the Team and what we achieve on the pitch. The Club though decides the striker is going now, close to the start of the season (and against the Strikers wishes). In the thought or hope that they can get another 25 goals a season striker in straight away that will also have so much influence and be a fans favourite. Okay, the Club might unearth a 27-30 goals a season striker that is better than the one that has just left. The likelihood is though that the replacement will be 15-20 goals if we are lucky. Why would we not want the Striker at the Club for as long as they were happy to be here?. And, who knows, they may even change their mind in the summer and agree to stay longer. It is utter nonsense that we are not maximising the time that Warnock (and his Team) wants to spend at this football Club. And in terms of him going at the end of the season, who knows, he may have agreed to stay longer as it isn't like he hasn't changed his mind 100 times is it!. We will never know. This is your 2nd long rambling moan about this.. I do get your disappointment but we have to look at the reality. KN has bought the club and obviously wants to 'get on' with things..he asked NW/RJ to run things until a new long term appointment could be made, someone who can (hopefully) lead the club over the next 3 years, someone who KN will give transfer funds and who will lead Town to the target of the PL. That's KN's plan..that's what he's aiming for...and I can fully understand him wanting to get things moving, the same way as he's already set plans for the Academy and for ownership of the JSS etc...he's a man who wants to move fast. It might have taken until next year for his 'right man' to come along in which case NW was tied up , just in case. That's good business, but his 'man' has suddenly emerged so he's struck quick to secure him...again good business (although as ever, time will tell). I don't blame KN at all for this approach..what do you expect him to do, see the guy he wants but let him go just to leave NW in charge in the hope another 'right man' will come along before the end of the season ? It matters not if NW is winning games or losing games, because NW is NOT part of the future of this club. Not as far as KN is concerned and not as far as NW is concerned because he doesn't want to commit to 3 years. Ultimately we have to accept the owner has the right to do things his own way, and in this case I agree with what he has done if he is so sure that the new coach is the right person to deliver his 3 year plan. NW , I reiterate, is not part of the future of this club, he doesn't want to be..that's fine, so the sooner we get someone in who wants to be part of our future the better I say.
Some valid points here. That would make sense if the right Manager (in the opinion of those making the decision) could only be appointed now. Your points are though wholly reliant on the calibre of the next appointment, if the Club has got it right and how well they do.
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 20, 2023 9:33:44 GMT 1
Your inaction means that we are hopping between two threads regarding the same topic, wasting time and even getting confused.
Why on Earth are you continuing an old thread from when before Buzz was appointed?
What possible advantage can there be for continuing an ancient, irrelevant thread?
Get on with it and anchor this old thread.
Calm your jets. I locked the poll and when I reviewed the threads there were two different discussions going on. Therefore if I closed one or merged it, it would be considered being ‘heavy handed’. Not good enough. I'm docking you a week's wages.
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 20, 2023 9:35:08 GMT 1
Of course, Bruce Arena has become available in the last few weeks.
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Post by theterrier42 on Sept 20, 2023 9:37:01 GMT 1
Must be one of the few who are content with Warnock going now. Yes I would have preferred him to stay longer but we need to have confidence and give the new owner a chance to put his stamp on the club. If it all goes tits up then we can moan, but for now we should all get behind the new guy. Atleast we are in a decent position rather than the new guy coming in with us bottom of the league like the last few. Hopefully Warnock deservedly goes out on a high tonight then we move into a new era!
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Post by bells ringing :) on Sept 20, 2023 9:39:05 GMT 1
This is your 2nd long rambling moan about this.. I do get your disappointment but we have to look at the reality. KN has bought the club and obviously wants to 'get on' with things..he asked NW/RJ to run things until a new long term appointment could be made, someone who can (hopefully) lead the club over the next 3 years, someone who KN will give transfer funds and who will lead Town to the target of the PL. That's KN's plan..that's what he's aiming for...and I can fully understand him wanting to get things moving, the same way as he's already set plans for the Academy and for ownership of the JSS etc...he's a man who wants to move fast. It might have taken until next year for his 'right man' to come along in which case NW was tied up , just in case. That's good business, but his 'man' has suddenly emerged so he's struck quick to secure him...again good business (although as ever, time will tell). I don't blame KN at all for this approach..what do you expect him to do, see the guy he wants but let him go just to leave NW in charge in the hope another 'right man' will come along before the end of the season ? It matters not if NW is winning games or losing games, because NW is NOT part of the future of this club. Not as far as KN is concerned and not as far as NW is concerned because he doesn't want to commit to 3 years. Ultimately we have to accept the owner has the right to do things his own way, and in this case I agree with what he has done if he is so sure that the new coach is the right person to deliver his 3 year plan. NW , I reiterate, is not part of the future of this club, he doesn't want to be..that's fine, so the sooner we get someone in who wants to be part of our future the better I say.
Some valid points here. That would make sense if the right Manager (in the opinion of those making the decision) could only be appointed now. Your points are though wholly reliant on the calibre of the next appointment, if the Club has got it right and how well they do. Please add to your thinking, that Warnock was a 1 season thing only. Therefore if it was now or next summer, he was leaving, the club would have being battered on here for not been prepared - it seems a right choice for the club has come up. As no one seems to know who that is right now, lets see who it is and as you say how they do.
I get a feeling if Warnock wanted to stay on for 2/3 years, the club would have been more than happy with him, but as he was never going to do it. The club in the background looked to the future. The club seem to have treated Warnock right and with the respect he deserves, no going behind his back/ hearing it from an agent such as Boro. If warnock would or could commit to a long term plan - i for one would love that as i love NW for his personaility but also his mangerial ability cannot be questioned, but as that is not the case - we have to see what the club have coming. If Warnock "nagle wants the club in the prem within 2/3 years" quote is to believed , i suspect a lot of the "old town" will be changing.
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Post by detox on Sept 20, 2023 9:45:05 GMT 1
This is your 2nd long rambling moan about this.. I do get your disappointment but we have to look at the reality. KN has bought the club and obviously wants to 'get on' with things..he asked NW/RJ to run things until a new long term appointment could be made, someone who can (hopefully) lead the club over the next 3 years, someone who KN will give transfer funds and who will lead Town to the target of the PL. That's KN's plan..that's what he's aiming for...and I can fully understand him wanting to get things moving, the same way as he's already set plans for the Academy and for ownership of the JSS etc...he's a man who wants to move fast. It might have taken until next year for his 'right man' to come along in which case NW was tied up , just in case. That's good business, but his 'man' has suddenly emerged so he's struck quick to secure him...again good business (although as ever, time will tell). I don't blame KN at all for this approach..what do you expect him to do, see the guy he wants but let him go just to leave NW in charge in the hope another 'right man' will come along before the end of the season ? It matters not if NW is winning games or losing games, because NW is NOT part of the future of this club. Not as far as KN is concerned and not as far as NW is concerned because he doesn't want to commit to 3 years. Ultimately we have to accept the owner has the right to do things his own way, and in this case I agree with what he has done if he is so sure that the new coach is the right person to deliver his 3 year plan. NW , I reiterate, is not part of the future of this club, he doesn't want to be..that's fine, so the sooner we get someone in who wants to be part of our future the better I say.
Some valid points here. That would make sense if the right Manager (in the opinion of those making the decision) could only be appointed now. Your points are though wholly reliant on the calibre of the next appointment, if the Club has got it right and how well they do.
I disagree because you simply cannot guarantee success, there are too many variables. You can make the right judgement call but not get the right outcome, that doesn't mean the judgement call, at the time, was wrong. Hindsight will be the judge as it always is, but even though we don't know who this new guy is yet, it doesn't alter the fact, for me, that the process is correct.
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Post by morleyterrier on Sept 20, 2023 9:46:21 GMT 1
Some valid points here. That would make sense if the right Manager (in the opinion of those making the decision) could only be appointed now. Your points are though wholly reliant on the calibre of the next appointment, if the Club has got it right and how well they do. Please add to your thinking, that Warnock was a 1 season thing only. Therefore if it was now or next summer, he was leaving, the club would have being battered on here for not been prepared - it seems a right choice for the club has come up. As no one seems to know who that is right now, lets see who it is and as you say how they do. I get a feeling if Warnock wanted to stay on for 2/3 years, the club would have been more than happy with him, but as he was never going to do it. The club in the background looked to the future. The club seem to have treated Warnock right and with the respect he deserves, no going behind his back/ hearing it from an agent such as Boro. If warnock would or could commit to a long term plan - i for one would love that as i love NW for his personaility but also his mangerial ability cannot be questioned, but as that is not the case - we have to see what the club have coming. If Warnock "nagle wants the club in the prem within 2/3 years" quote is to believed , i suspect a lot of the "old town" will be changing.
Good post, the only point I not sure about that you make is how well the Club has handled this. There was the Nagle tweet that for me was the start of all of this (he needs to stay away from social media). I also think it would have been courteous, respectful and due recognition of what Warnock achieved with the same Players a new Manager has to work with if he had been consulted re a replacement. Not forgetting we have in the building a man who has managed over 1,600 games so why would you not call on that experience?. His press conference in my view did not give me the impression this has been handled well.
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Post by morleyterrier on Sept 20, 2023 9:47:09 GMT 1
Some valid points here. That would make sense if the right Manager (in the opinion of those making the decision) could only be appointed now. Your points are though wholly reliant on the calibre of the next appointment, if the Club has got it right and how well they do.
I disagree because you simply cannot guarantee success, there are too many variables. You can make the right judgement call but not get the right outcome, that doesn't mean the judgement call, at the time, was wrong. Hindsight will be the judge as it always is, but even though we don't know who this new guy is yet, it doesn't alter the fact, for me, that the process is correct. We didn't have to make the decision now and nothing is broken.
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Post by BerksTerrier84 on Sept 20, 2023 9:48:29 GMT 1
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Post by King Curtis on Sept 20, 2023 9:52:04 GMT 1
One more year was how it was marketed, not "temporary manager". More rewriting of history by Town fans. As usual. Jake Edwards in June 2023: “We’ve heard Town fans loud and clear, both at the Reading game and ever since. You all wanted ‘one more year’ under Neil and Ronnie, and this had to be our first order of business as we prepare for the new season. “We’re so pleased Neil has agreed to stay on for another season. I know how determined he is to build on the job he’s done last season, and he offers us great experience and stability on the football side as we prepare for the prospective change of ownership.” Hope the new fella is as good as Warnock, otherwise it's gonna turn pretty quickly. Don't make the club look like they've changed their minds. This was all part of "the plan" - didn't you listen on Monday? Be interesting to see how the gullible lot react when the new bloke isn't as good as Warnock...
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Post by bells ringing :) on Sept 20, 2023 9:58:19 GMT 1
Please add to your thinking, that Warnock was a 1 season thing only. Therefore if it was now or next summer, he was leaving, the club would have being battered on here for not been prepared - it seems a right choice for the club has come up. As no one seems to know who that is right now, lets see who it is and as you say how they do. I get a feeling if Warnock wanted to stay on for 2/3 years, the club would have been more than happy with him, but as he was never going to do it. The club in the background looked to the future. The club seem to have treated Warnock right and with the respect he deserves, no going behind his back/ hearing it from an agent such as Boro. If warnock would or could commit to a long term plan - i for one would love that as i love NW for his personaility but also his mangerial ability cannot be questioned, but as that is not the case - we have to see what the club have coming. If Warnock "nagle wants the club in the prem within 2/3 years" quote is to believed , i suspect a lot of the "old town" will be changing.
Good post, the only point I not sure about that you make is how well the Club has handled this. There was the Nagle tweet that for me was the start of all of this (he needs to stay away from social media). I also think it would have been courteous, respectful and due recognition of what Warnock achieved with the same Players a new Manager has to work with if he had been consulted re a replacement. Not forgetting we have in the building a man who has managed over 1,600 games so why would you not call on that experience?. His press conference in my view did not give me the impression this has been handled well. Well its a hard one to "handle well" isn't it really , he said i suspected it was around christmas that it would be time. I understand that from NW totally, but if the club feel they have the right person now, then why wait ? because if it came out we missed out on someone , the fans would hit them hard ? knowing Warnock was a 1 year thing. Warnock said the club informed him of the decision 2 weeks ago/ after the west brom game - not like with boro where he found out from an agent. I totally understand Warnock point of view, but i also understand the clubs. Like i said before if we got to the end of the season for example and there was not "ready made guy" coming in the fans would be all over it, " we had bags of time , yet couldn't get ourselves ready" etc - the club was doing what every club does, which is setting things up in the background- well run clubs anyways. Town have done this before to Chris Powell and never even informed him until they sacked him, that Wagner was coming in. The club had being disscussing it with Wagner for what a month before it was annouced. Warnock said in the presser he respected Edwards and how he did it, then that is more than good neough for me. If Warnock wanted to take the club forward for 2/3 years the club wouldn't be letting him go no way, but because like i say he clearly does not want to do that. The club has to protect itself aswell.
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Post by bradley1985 on Sept 20, 2023 10:00:45 GMT 1
Gael Clichy - French Under 21 assistant ?
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Post by irverino on Sept 20, 2023 10:08:03 GMT 1
Please add to your thinking, that Warnock was a 1 season thing only. Therefore if it was now or next summer, he was leaving, the club would have being battered on here for not been prepared - it seems a right choice for the club has come up. As no one seems to know who that is right now, lets see who it is and as you say how they do. I get a feeling if Warnock wanted to stay on for 2/3 years, the club would have been more than happy with him, but as he was never going to do it. The club in the background looked to the future. The club seem to have treated Warnock right and with the respect he deserves, no going behind his back/ hearing it from an agent such as Boro. If warnock would or could commit to a long term plan - i for one would love that as i love NW for his personaility but also his mangerial ability cannot be questioned, but as that is not the case - we have to see what the club have coming. If Warnock "nagle wants the club in the prem within 2/3 years" quote is to believed , i suspect a lot of the "old town" will be changing.
Good post, the only point I not sure about that you make is how well the Club has handled this. There was the Nagle tweet that for me was the start of all of this (he needs to stay away from social media). I also think it would have been courteous, respectful and due recognition of what Warnock achieved with the same Players a new Manager has to work with if he had been consulted re a replacement. Not forgetting we have in the building a man who has managed over 1,600 games so why would you not call on that experience?. His press conference in my view did not give me the impression this has been handled well. The 'mind your own business' quip he made to Ms Hannah when she asked who the new manager was came across to me like he was told the same from someone at the club when he asked, not announcing till Friday seems strange also with just a few days to prepare for Coventry away........Yet we are told this is all planned even though Neil was gobsmacked when told to leave.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 20, 2023 10:12:34 GMT 1
The club are playing this one close to their chest.
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Post by detox on Sept 20, 2023 10:13:37 GMT 1
I disagree because you simply cannot guarantee success, there are too many variables. You can make the right judgement call but not get the right outcome, that doesn't mean the judgement call, at the time, was wrong. Hindsight will be the judge as it always is, but even though we don't know who this new guy is yet, it doesn't alter the fact, for me, that the process is correct. We didn't have to make the decision now and nothing is broken. Nobody said anything was broken, but I suppose it comes down to fact that suddenly a suitable coach became available, earlier than anticipated, and you have to make a call...act now or wait and hope another suitable coach appears on the market later on. ?
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Post by bells ringing :) on Sept 20, 2023 10:15:24 GMT 1
The club are playing this one close to their chest. doing things differently? under previous owners, every tom dick and harry knew. This in the long term could be a good sign.
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 20, 2023 10:19:59 GMT 1
One more year was how it was marketed, not "temporary manager". More rewriting of history by Town fans. As usual. Jake Edwards in June 2023: “We’ve heard Town fans loud and clear, both at the Reading game and ever since. You all wanted ‘one more year’ under Neil and Ronnie, and this had to be our first order of business as we prepare for the new season. “We’re so pleased Neil has agreed to stay on for another season. I know how determined he is to build on the job he’s done last season, and he offers us great experience and stability on the football side as we prepare for the prospective change of ownership.” Hope the new fella is as good as Warnock, otherwise it's gonna turn pretty quickly. Yes but they always said it was only til xmas, its just come early, it was always the plan to have a crap window then give him and his coaching team 4 games before replacing him etc etc etc.....etc, blah, blah Usually "it's like Christmas come early" is a good thing.
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Post by jqhtfc on Sept 20, 2023 10:19:59 GMT 1
Nixon saying it’s Moore
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