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Post by Porrohman on Feb 15, 2023 7:48:09 GMT 1
With the dicks that were running this shitshow when he was set on YES Ok,,, perhaps its better if you dont think for yourself. True, I could do like you do and only post what I'm told to.
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Post by yoy on Feb 15, 2023 9:03:12 GMT 1
I am probably one of a very few on here that thinks, if a football club goes into admin it should have no more protection than any other business. Out of business is out of business. I said so 20+ years ago and still believe so now. Keeping failing businesses going at the expense of others is just wrong. Very wrong. What protection does it have that other businesses don’t?
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Post by rockwall on Feb 15, 2023 9:15:18 GMT 1
With hirings and sackings and panic incomings in the Jan window. 10m has probably been spent on that.Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and tbh, Carlos threatened to leave numerous times, so glad we didn't give him what he wanted. The only downside was it was so close to that start of the season. For me, the biggest mistake was not bringing in a more experienced manager/head coach instead of Danny Schofield. You think? I doubt it all amounts to a fifth of that myself. So you think the hirings and sackings of Schofield, Fotheringham and Warnock and the signings of Kamberi, Lowton, Waghorn, Knockaert, Vaclik and Hungbo are less than 2m? The sackings alone were probably that to pay them off.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 15, 2023 9:46:22 GMT 1
Ok,,, perhaps its better if you dont think for yourself. True, I could do like you do and only post what I'm told to. You've got a joke and youre going to run with it eh?
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 15, 2023 9:57:59 GMT 1
You think? I doubt it all amounts to a fifth of that myself. So you think the hirings and sackings of Schofield, Fotheringham and Warnock and the signings of Kamberi, Lowton, Waghorn, Knockaert, Vaclik and Hungbo are less than 2m? The sackings alone were probably that to pay them off. Well be paying loan fees and/ or wages for some players.. but we'd expect to be paying loan fees and/ or wages for players in any season so these aren't necessarily 'extra' costs we would have avoided by somehow magicking up the millions it would apparently have taken to persuade CC to stay. We loan out players ourselves and weve returned players we had loaned back to their clubs to fund new ones coming in. As for the two managers, I find it hard to believe that either Schofield or Fotheringham were in such high demand that to persuade them to take our job ahead of all the other clubs clamouring for their services ,we had to put a wildly generous severance agreement in their contracts that had them apparently walking away with 7 figure sums should they fail to the point we were dismissing them after a few weeks.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 15, 2023 10:07:49 GMT 1
I am probably one of a very few on here that thinks, if a football club goes into admin it should have no more protection than any other business. Out of business is out of business. I said so 20+ years ago and still believe so now. Keeping failing businesses going at the expense of others is just wrong. Very wrong. Without this becoming political, the biggest mistake made for me, was the bailing out of the banks. The problem you have with football clubs is that they seem to operate within some sort of protected bubble (or at least it feels like that). They’re self governing in so many ways, so they can make up the rules of things as they go along. I think one of the biggest things that annoys me, is that the generally well paid footballers seem to come first in the queue for money, whereas many small businesses that supply the clubs get told to whistle.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 15, 2023 10:08:25 GMT 1
He is been the club custodian. Hes currently using his money to stop it going under. If its a false economy.. ie we go down... then as fans we have have to accept that emotional disappointment, but financially? What suffering do we have to accept? Weve paid our money, we've watched our football. We're not gambling any of our money like youre expecting him to gamble an enormous amount of his. As for the compo on corboran...I dont understand why we havent had any,, presuming we havent. Swansea did when Cooper left them in almost identical circumstances and turned up at forest a month or two later. Id love to hear Hoyle or Bromby explain why we didnt ( if we didnt) I believe we effectively tore his contract up and let him leave for free. Cooper was on gardening leave at Swans but still under contract. Hence they got compo and we got sod all. If thats the case, then that was a truly bizarre thing to do as Corborans stock was very high and it was obvious he'd be offered jobs imminently .. especially as they were already aware he was open to being tapped up whilst being at Town so would very likely have his next job in the pipeline before he left us ( which I totally think he had ) Obviously they wouldn't have wanted to continue paying him after he'd left but if they didnt realise it would almost certainly be worth doing that then they made a big error you'd think. Unless theres something else gone on to effect that which we arent aware of.
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Post by sapphireblue on Feb 15, 2023 16:57:33 GMT 1
I am probably one of a very few on here that thinks, if a football club goes into admin it should have no more protection than any other business. Out of business is out of business. I said so 20+ years ago and still believe so now. Keeping failing businesses going at the expense of others is just wrong. Very wrong. What protection does it have that other businesses don’t? Well, I could start by them being able to trade whilst insolvent, and move on to the "protected football employees" clauses.
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Post by yoy on Feb 15, 2023 19:56:00 GMT 1
What protection does it have that other businesses don’t? Well, I could start by them being able to trade whilst insolvent, and move on to the "protected football employees" clauses. Please do start with that and then move onto the “protected football employees” clauses. Because I really don’t follow. Are you really saying that insolvency law differs for football clubs? I’m not convinced by that, hence my interest.
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Post by willo on Feb 15, 2023 20:19:50 GMT 1
After seeing tonight’s line-up, the sooner he starts the better.
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Post by sapphireblue on Feb 15, 2023 20:21:21 GMT 1
Well, I could start by them being able to trade whilst insolvent, and move on to the "protected football employees" clauses. Please do start with that and then move onto the “protected football employees” clauses. Because I really don’t follow. Are you really saying that insolvency law differs for football clubs? I’m not convinced by that, hence my interest. Yes it does, and HMRC doesn't like it. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7741859.stmThere are articles out there about clubs spending far too much of their turnover on wages alone. Fulham spent 98% just on wages in one season in the Prem.
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Post by yoy on Feb 15, 2023 20:35:19 GMT 1
Please do start with that and then move onto the “protected football employees” clauses. Because I really don’t follow. Are you really saying that insolvency law differs for football clubs? I’m not convinced by that, hence my interest. Yes it does, and HMRC doesn't like it. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7741859.stmThere are articles out there about clubs spending far too much of their turnover on wages alone. Fulham spent 98% just on wages in one season in the Prem. There are a few things here. Firstly, it doesn’t say that insolvency law differs for football clubs. It says that HMRC is subordinated to football creditors. HMRC is often subordinated. Sure, the very largest companies often raise debt on an unsecured basis but the vast majority of companies do not. HMRC are free to not like it but if they are sizeable creditors then they get a sizeable say in how any company (including football clubs) exits administration. If they are to be returned more in the pound via liquidation then that’s what will happen. Also, the original premise was that football clubs are protected. For the football club in administration it makes the exit more costly if they have no ability to write down football debts. It doesn’t protect the individual club, it protects the entire pyramid from a domino effect of one club going under. I remain unconvinced that there are all these additional protections for football clubs. Can’t remember what the reasoning behind the original point was and so forgive me if I am taking out of context. I was just interested in whether there was a difference but it appears not. For reference I do think that football clubs are a special case in a stressed scenario but for different reasons…. There’s often some mug willing to buy them and be their next sugar mummy/daddy when there is clearly no measure under which they are economically viable.
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Post by Flowerdisco on Feb 15, 2023 23:12:11 GMT 1
I thought that was Hong Kong phooey? Number one super guy. And hands off Rosemary, she's mine. Rosemary is quite the girl next door
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Post by Dan on Feb 16, 2023 17:10:03 GMT 1
Live stream of Warnocks first press conference on Twitter at 5pm (hopefully he's not Phil Parkinson'd us) twitter.com/htafc
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Feb 16, 2023 18:08:24 GMT 1
Live stream of Warnocks first press conference on Twitter at 5pm (hopefully he's not Phil Parkinson'd us) twitter.com/htafcAnybody getting anything?
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Post by Dan on Feb 16, 2023 18:09:14 GMT 1
Live stream of Warnocks first press conference on Twitter at 5pm (hopefully he's not Phil Parkinson'd us) twitter.com/htafcAnybody getting anything? 17:07 STEVEN CHICKEN A few minutes behind We're told the new gaffer will be late - don't worry, you've not missed anything. We've never seen the press room this full, not even before last year's play-off final. The club have pulled out the stops for it, with a special backdrop featuring a rotating slideshow pictures of Warnock and his side from his previous spell.
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Post by townrwe on Feb 16, 2023 18:11:10 GMT 1
Live stream of Warnocks first press conference on Twitter at 5pm (hopefully he's not Phil Parkinson'd us) twitter.com/htafcAnybody getting anything? Decided against it, so they are going to try hogg as player manager.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 16, 2023 18:14:48 GMT 1
We're giving the job to the empty chair
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Post by terriers2000 on Feb 16, 2023 18:15:10 GMT 1
Phil Parkinson part 2
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Post by terriers2000 on Feb 16, 2023 18:15:58 GMT 1
don't understand why they didn't do this on youtube
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Post by rockwall on Feb 16, 2023 18:17:00 GMT 1
No sound for me
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Post by Flowerdisco on Feb 16, 2023 18:18:05 GMT 1
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 16, 2023 18:19:18 GMT 1
This club is so fucking embarrassing in literally everything they do.
Kids can set up a live stream FFS!
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Post by towny4ever on Feb 16, 2023 18:19:25 GMT 1
God we really are 💩 at everything aren’t we?
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 16, 2023 18:20:08 GMT 1
Excited at the challenge?
Neil Warnock > "It's a great challenge really. I always thought if I came back in at some change it'd be end of Feb. I only want to work ten weeks a year if I'm honest, and it was always going to be a club I love like Huddersfield or Cardiff. She's always said to me, why don't you do that? I have to say though, it's asking a lot for us to get in the play-offs."
Oh gawd...he's basically using us to rehearse his stage show? 🤯🤷♂️
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Feb 16, 2023 18:20:38 GMT 1
The club is fucking pathetic from top to bottom can’t even stream a fucking interview.
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Post by jqhtfc on Feb 16, 2023 18:20:51 GMT 1
Just sums up the club does this 😂
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 16, 2023 18:21:17 GMT 1
"We had good leaders at Rotherham but there's not so many leaders here. It'll be me and Hoggy that have to lead really.
"But they're great fixtures. You look at the fixtures and you'd have to be a bloody idiot to come here, but that's what I am thankfully.
"Playing likes of Middlesbrough, Sheffield United, they're great games.
"I want them to give 100% in training and go home knowing they couldn't have given more, and I want the fans to know they're doing that.
"I think the fans will get behind me, I'm sure they'll be quite relieved.
"I saw Birmingham beat West Brom the other day and they played well, then we've got a nice easy one away to Burnley!
"I think people give a lot of hype about age but I don't think about it. I'm surrounded by young people with my family and everything and I felt I was the one who could help Dean Hoyle, who I've been close to for many years. I should have come to Dean when I went to Leeds but I thought I could conquer Ken Bates unfortunately."
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Feb 16, 2023 18:21:18 GMT 1
Excited at the challenge? Neil Warnock > "It's a great challenge really. I always thought if I came back in at some change it'd be end of Feb. I only want to work ten weeks a year if I'm honest, and it was always going to be a club I love like Huddersfield or Cardiff. She's always said to me, why don't you do that? I have to say though, it's asking a lot for us to get in the play-offs." Oh gawd...he's basically using us to rehearse his stage show? 🤯🤷♂️ He’s not said that at all though has he?
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Post by boooothy on Feb 16, 2023 18:21:23 GMT 1
Well this is shit 😂
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