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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 14, 2023 20:13:04 GMT 1
Who said this: "I have the money to fund this club for 10 years"? The bullshitter barely lasted two. If I buy something that I can't afford, it's my stupid fault when it goes tits up. Equally, if you sell someone a club that can't afford it but keep a 25% stake, don't cry when it goes tits up. Probably been answered on other threads. Had Hoyle sold 100% to PH, what situation would we now be in? This is not a pro DH post, just curious to know whether that 25% retainer is the things that’s prevented us from going into liquidation. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2023 20:22:36 GMT 1
Equally, if you sell someone a club that can't afford it but keep a 25% stake, don't cry when it goes tits up. Probably been answered on other threads. Had Hoyle sold 100% to PH, what situation would we now be in? This is not a pro DH post, just curious to know whether that 25% retainer is the things that’s prevented us from going into liquidation. We would without DH in the last year or likely been choosing who to support locally we could easily have been out of existence completely and at very least already relegated. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 14, 2023 20:28:44 GMT 1
Probably been answered on other threads. Had Hoyle sold 100% to PH, what situation would we now be in? This is not a pro DH post, just curious to know whether that 25% retainer is the things that’s prevented us from going into liquidation. We would without DH in the last year or likely been choosing who to support locally we could easily have been out of existence completely and at very least already relegated. Yet he had two buyers waiting in the wings last season but gambled on promotion instead. |
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Post by Maynardblue on Feb 14, 2023 20:39:50 GMT 1
Equally, if you sell someone a club that can't afford it but keep a 25% stake, don't cry when it goes tits up. Probably been answered on other threads. Had Hoyle sold 100% to PH, what situation would we now be in? This is not a pro DH post, just curious to know whether that 25% retainer is the things that’s prevented us from going into liquidation. It was all gone through 18 months ago if anyone can be arsed to look back but PH had alternative funding in place (as a stop gap) probably would have covered things (not a given) til a sale could go through (there were interested parties even then). This alternative funding was not approved by the other owner however so PH resigned and power of attorney over his shares went to DH for a fixed period. DH then had to put roughly £5m of his own money into the club to get us to where we are now. We would not have been liquidated or even close. However we may have ended up in administration and would now be in the ownership of someone else. |
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Post by stylishkids on Feb 14, 2023 20:41:20 GMT 1
So Maynard was involved in or at least party to the negotiations of Fotheringham contract? Maynard has a proven track record of giving correct information on the running of the club, along with transfers, and has constantly shown that over the years on here. You’ve proven that you know diddly squat but still come out with statements like Carlos was always going to leave whatever happened and outlandish statements like he was tapped up, backing them statements up with absolutely sod all. Talk about misplaced arrogance. Anyway, ecstatic that Warnock that is in the dugout for Saturday. Great chance of beating the drop now. Hopefully Birmingham and Reading can do us a favour tonight 🙏🏻 |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 14, 2023 20:59:40 GMT 1
Probably been answered on other threads. Had Hoyle sold 100% to PH, what situation would we now be in? This is not a pro DH post, just curious to know whether that 25% retainer is the things that’s prevented us from going into liquidation. It was all gone through 18 months ago if anyone can be arsed to look back but PH had alternative funding in place (as a stop gap) probably would have covered things (not a given) til a sale could go through (there were interested parties even then). This alternative funding was not approved by the other owner however so PH resigned and power of attorney over his shares went to DH for a fixed period. DH then had to put roughly £5m of his own money into the club to get us to where we are now. We would not have been liquidated or even close. However we may have ended up in administration and would now be in the ownership of someone else. How do you know ? Where you in the room ? Oops, sorry mate, I came over all Slappish then 😉😁😁 |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 14, 2023 21:02:23 GMT 1
Probably been answered on other threads. Had Hoyle sold 100% to PH, what situation would we now be in? This is not a pro DH post, just curious to know whether that 25% retainer is the things that’s prevented us from going into liquidation. It was all gone through 18 months ago if anyone can be arsed to look back but PH had alternative funding in place (as a stop gap) probably would have covered things (not a given) til a sale could go through (there were interested parties even then). This alternative funding was not approved by the other owner however so PH resigned and power of attorney over his shares went to DH for a fixed period. DH then had to put roughly £5m of his own money into the club to get us to where we are now. We would not have been liquidated or even close. However we may have ended up in administration and would now be in the ownership of someone else. Cheers for that. I wasn’t sure if it was a simple scenario. Clearly not, there’s a surprise… 😉 |
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Post by Maynardblue on Feb 14, 2023 21:02:26 GMT 1
It was all gone through 18 months ago if anyone can be arsed to look back but PH had alternative funding in place (as a stop gap) probably would have covered things (not a given) til a sale could go through (there were interested parties even then). This alternative funding was not approved by the other owner however so PH resigned and power of attorney over his shares went to DH for a fixed period. DH then had to put roughly £5m of his own money into the club to get us to where we are now. We would not have been liquidated or even close. However we may have ended up in administration and would now be in the ownership of someone else. ? Where you in the room ? Oops, sorry mate, I came over all Slappish then 😉😁😁 Ah yes, the million dollar question 😉 |
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Post by Big Ern on Feb 14, 2023 21:04:19 GMT 1
How do you know ? Where you in the room ? Oops, sorry mate, I came over all Slappish then 😉😁😁 Ah yes, the million dollar question 😉 When this takeover goes through I sincerely hope you do a scooby do type reveal! |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 14, 2023 21:05:50 GMT 1
Ah yes, the million dollar question 😉 When this takeover goes through I sincerely hope you do a scooby do type reveal! I hope he's not the janitor 😁 |
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Post by sapphireblue on Feb 14, 2023 21:21:37 GMT 1
I am probably one of a very few on here that thinks, if a football club goes into admin it should have no more protection than any other business.
Out of business is out of business.
I said so 20+ years ago and still believe so now.
Keeping failing businesses going at the expense of others is just wrong.
Very wrong.
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Post by Flowerdisco on Feb 14, 2023 21:23:57 GMT 1
When this takeover goes through I sincerely hope you do a scooby do type reveal! I hope he's not the janitor 😁 I thought that was Hong Kong phooey? Anyway i hope he/she is Rosemary the telephone operator, preferably she 😆 |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 14, 2023 21:25:14 GMT 1
It was all gone through 18 months ago if anyone can be arsed to look back but PH had alternative funding in place (as a stop gap) probably would have covered things (not a given) til a sale could go through (there were interested parties even then). This alternative funding was not approved by the other owner however so PH resigned and power of attorney over his shares went to DH for a fixed period. DH then had to put roughly £5m of his own money into the club to get us to where we are now. We would not have been liquidated or even close. However we may have ended up in administration and would now be in the ownership of someone else. How do you know ? Where you in the room ? Oops, sorry mate, I came over all Slappish then 😉😁😁 Christ, Im really in your head arent I ? You are allowed to think for yourself you know. Does it seem likely to you that Fotheringham was in such high demand that any club employing him would forget any reasonable pay off structure in his contract and just go for the 'let him have a million' option? |
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Post by Leporid on Feb 14, 2023 21:29:42 GMT 1
It's a Huddersfield Town message board, not a Carlos Corberan message board. A revelation indeed! |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Feb 14, 2023 21:29:44 GMT 1
I am probably one of a very few on here that thinks, if a football club goes into admin it should have no more protection than any other business. Out of business is out of business. I said so 20+ years ago and still believe so now. Keeping failing businesses going at the expense of others is just wrong. Very wrong. We’d be down to 2 and a half divisions! |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 14, 2023 21:34:35 GMT 1
The 'plan' as it has been since Wagner walked away,,, is to find the next Wagner. The only break in that was when we appointed Cowley, but even there he was a young manager making a step up from the lower reaches of the pyramid. Id agree that we need to revise that plan as whilst we showed with Corboran it can ( nearly ) work again if you resist the temptation to sack him first when he'd doing terribly ..its proving to be moire likely you end up making a mistake. As for budgets between last season and this season and how that might have influenced Corboran to leave.. the simple truth is our income dropped by about 75% this season ( because of the end of parachute payments)...Im not sure what people expect the club to do when coping with that other than what they did do, which was to drastically cut our budget to reflect it. Anyone thinking we didnt have to do that is living in cloud cuckoo land IMO. If Corboran wasnt prepared to continue here, then thats a shame but screw him. False economy. How much have we now spent on myriad managers and assistants since? Add to that the cost of possibly getting relegated. We should have struck whilst the iron was hot with one of the best young managers in the league. This league isn’t all that and we could have had another push at getting to the greedy league and then all debts could be paid. That we didn’t was a massive error in my opinion. We didn’t have to do it Ad Infinitum but surely another season at least? And to make matters worse we let him go for free! If money is that tight then another diabolical decision. Am not gonna aim abuse at Hoyle here, we have had a great time and great ticket prices under his watch but it’s all gone a bit Pete Tong now. Let’s hope we stay up under Warnock, then get decent owners (who won’t push prices up too much) and kick on. Or the owner could have chucked away another £10m in a failed attempt to go up with corboran leaving anyway for the first job he considered better than us and us unlikely to have the good luck with injuries we had last season once again? Its very easy to say how much sense you think that gamble makes when it isnt your money. Its his money so its his decision either way surely and if it does turn out to be a false economy, well he'll have to accept that? |
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Post by rockwall on Feb 14, 2023 21:49:27 GMT 1
False economy. How much have we now spent on myriad managers and assistants since? Add to that the cost of possibly getting relegated. We should have struck whilst the iron was hot with one of the best young managers in the league. This league isn’t all that and we could have had another push at getting to the greedy league and then all debts could be paid. That we didn’t was a massive error in my opinion. We didn’t have to do it Ad Infinitum but surely another season at least? And to make matters worse we let him go for free! If money is that tight then another diabolical decision. Am not gonna aim abuse at Hoyle here, we have had a great time and great ticket prices under his watch but it’s all gone a bit Pete Tong now. Let’s hope we stay up under Warnock, then get decent owners (who won’t push prices up too much) and kick on. Or the owner could have chucked away another £10m in a failed attempt to go up with corboran leaving anyway for the first job he considered better than us and us unlikely to have the good luck with injuries we had last season once again? Its very easy to say how much sense you think that gamble makes when it isnt your money. Its his money so its his decision either way surely and if it does turn out to be a false economy, well he'll have to accept that? With hirings and sackings and panic incomings in the Jan window. 10m has probably been spent on that. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and tbh, Carlos threatened to leave numerous times, so glad we didn't give him what he wanted. The only downside was it was so close to that start of the season. For me, the biggest mistake was not bringing in a more experienced manager/head coach instead of Danny Schofield. |
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Feb 14, 2023 21:52:27 GMT 1
I am probably one of a very few on here that thinks, if a football club goes into admin it should have no more protection than any other business. Out of business is out of business. I said so 20+ years ago and still believe so now. Keeping failing businesses going at the expense of others is just wrong. Very wrong. We’d be down to 2 and a half divisions! Not sure I agree with SapphireBlue's argument, but I honestly can't come up with a good reason other than making football clubs a "special case", which again I can't really justify other than my own emotional dislike of the idea. Then again, most countries of a comparable size and population don't have four nationwide divisions of professional clubs, and there's probably a good reason for that. If England were dominating the international game you could make a case that our system is better, but we aren't. |
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Feb 14, 2023 21:56:26 GMT 1
False economy. How much have we now spent on myriad managers and assistants since? Add to that the cost of possibly getting relegated. We should have struck whilst the iron was hot with one of the best young managers in the league. This league isn’t all that and we could have had another push at getting to the greedy league and then all debts could be paid. That we didn’t was a massive error in my opinion. We didn’t have to do it Ad Infinitum but surely another season at least? And to make matters worse we let him go for free! If money is that tight then another diabolical decision. Am not gonna aim abuse at Hoyle here, we have had a great time and great ticket prices under his watch but it’s all gone a bit Pete Tong now. Let’s hope we stay up under Warnock, then get decent owners (who won’t push prices up too much) and kick on. Or the owner could have chucked away another £10m in a failed attempt to go up with corboran leaving anyway for the first job he considered better than us and us unlikely to have the good luck with injuries we had last season once again? Its very easy to say how much sense you think that gamble makes when it isnt your money. Its his money so its his decision either way surely and if it does turn out to be a false economy, well he'll have to accept that? If he left for first job he thought better (not a given) at least we could have got some compo. Also if it is a false economy it's not only him who has to accept it, we are all financially and emotionally invested in the club. Wasn't he supposed to be club custodian? |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Feb 14, 2023 22:00:21 GMT 1
Is there anybody at the club still here from when Warnock was last in charge? Brooky maybe? Boothy, although he went away for a bit. |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 14, 2023 22:01:17 GMT 1
How do you know ? Where you in the room ? Oops, sorry mate, I came over all Slappish then 😉😁😁 Christ, Im really in your head arent I ? You are allowed to think for yourself you know. Does it seem likely to you that Fotheringham was in such high demand that any club employing him would forget any reasonable pay off structure in his contract and just go for the 'let him have a million' option? With the dicks that were running this shitshow when he was set on YES |
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Post by rockwall on Feb 14, 2023 22:39:27 GMT 1
Is there anybody at the club still here from when Warnock was last in charge? Brooky maybe? Boothy, although he went away for a bit. Jepson 😉 |
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Post by kayeb222 on Feb 14, 2023 23:49:39 GMT 1
How do you know ? Where you in the room ? Oops, sorry mate, I came over all Slappish then 😉😁😁 Ah yes, the million dollar question 😉 I don't know how nobody ever notices the 6ft terrier in the corner of the boardroom with a pen and notepad. I've always known you are really Terry the terrier even if nobody else believes me!!! |
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Post by 28901 on Feb 15, 2023 0:28:55 GMT 1
I am probably one of a very few on here that thinks, if a football club goes into admin it should have no more protection than any other business. Out of business is out of business. I said so 20+ years ago and still believe so now. Keeping failing businesses going at the expense of others is just wrong. Very wrong. We’d be down to 2 and a half divisions! St Giles Road Brighouse swamped by 10,000 AFC Wednesday of Sheffield fans. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 15, 2023 1:01:59 GMT 1
Or the owner could have chucked away another £10m in a failed attempt to go up with corboran leaving anyway for the first job he considered better than us and us unlikely to have the good luck with injuries we had last season once again? Its very easy to say how much sense you think that gamble makes when it isnt your money. Its his money so its his decision either way surely and if it does turn out to be a false economy, well he'll have to accept that? Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and tbh, Carlos threatened to leave numerous times, so glad we didn't give him what he wanted. The only downside was it was so close to that start of the season. For me, the biggest mistake was not bringing in a more experienced manager/head coach instead of Danny Schofield. You think? I doubt it all amounts to a fifth of that myself. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 15, 2023 1:10:30 GMT 1
Or the owner could have chucked away another £10m in a failed attempt to go up with corboran leaving anyway for the first job he considered better than us and us unlikely to have the good luck with injuries we had last season once again? Its very easy to say how much sense you think that gamble makes when it isnt your money. Its his money so its his decision either way surely and if it does turn out to be a false economy, well he'll have to accept that? If he left for first job he thought better (not a given) at least we could have got some compo. Also if it is a false economy it's not only him who has to accept it, we are all financially and emotionally invested in the club. Wasn't he supposed to be club custodian? He is been the club custodian. Hes currently using his money to stop it going under. If its a false economy.. ie we go down... then as fans we have have to accept that emotional disappointment, but financially? What suffering do we have to accept? Weve paid our money, we've watched our football. We're not gambling any of our money like youre expecting him to gamble an enormous amount of his. As for the compo on corboran...I dont understand why we havent had any,, presuming we havent. Swansea did when Cooper left them in almost identical circumstances and turned up at forest a month or two later. Id love to hear Hoyle or Bromby explain why we didnt ( if we didnt) |
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 15, 2023 1:13:46 GMT 1
Christ, Im really in your head arent I ? You are allowed to think for yourself you know. Does it seem likely to you that Fotheringham was in such high demand that any club employing him would forget any reasonable pay off structure in his contract and just go for the 'let him have a million' option? With the dicks that were running this shitshow when he was set on YES Ok,,, perhaps its better if you dont think for yourself. |
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Feb 15, 2023 1:25:19 GMT 1
If he left for first job he thought better (not a given) at least we could have got some compo. Also if it is a false economy it's not only him who has to accept it, we are all financially and emotionally invested in the club. Wasn't he supposed to be club custodian? He is been the club custodian. Hes currently using his money to stop it going under. If its a false economy.. ie we go down... then as fans we have have to accept that emotional disappointment, but financially? What suffering do we have to accept? Weve paid our money, we've watched our football. We're not gambling any of our money like youre expecting him to gamble an enormous amount of his. As for the compo on corboran...I dont understand why we havent had any,, presuming we havent. Swansea did when Cooper left them in almost identical circumstances and turned up at forest a month or two later. Id love to hear Hoyle or Bromby explain why we didnt ( if we didnt) I believe we effectively tore his contract up and let him leave for free. Cooper was on gardening leave at Swans but still under contract. Hence they got compo and we got sod all. |
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Feb 15, 2023 5:51:12 GMT 1
I am probably one of a very few on here that thinks, if a football club goes into admin it should have no more protection than any other business. Out of business is out of business. I said so 20+ years ago and still believe so now. Keeping failing businesses going at the expense of others is just wrong. Very wrong. When clubs are struggling they'll beg for the loyalty of fans and ask for added protection. When they're doing well they start looking for 'additional revenue opportunities' (charging for access to away tickets?)...and remind you that, at the end of the day it's a business like any other. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 15, 2023 7:09:35 GMT 1
I hope he's not the janitor 😁 I thought that was Hong Kong phooey? Number one super guy. And hands off Rosemary, she's mine.  |
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