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Post by waggers on Feb 20, 2023 21:57:26 GMT 1
It's too painful I've banned myself from revisiting that topic. There's always a chance we sneak into the Prem again (got to avoid relegation first) and learn the lessons from 18/19. Imagine if we'd just spent 20 million on 3 or 4 proven premiership players to add to the squad that got us promoted. We might have got relegated but it would have saved the pain of the 2nd prem season and we would still have had a chunk of cash left to try again the following season!! Yep, we showed our inexperie as a club the second season was a disaster we did exactly what you're not supposed to do. Sheff United, Fulham, Burnley are the blueprint for how to get relegated the right way.
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Post by kelliemarie on Feb 21, 2023 18:04:56 GMT 1
Imagine if we'd just spent 20 million on 3 or 4 proven premiership players to add to the squad that got us promoted. We might have got relegated but it would have saved the pain of the 2nd prem season and we would still have had a chunk of cash left to try again the following season!! Yep, we showed our inexperie as a club the second season was a disaster we did exactly what you're not supposed to do. Sheff United, Fulham, Burnley are the blueprint for how to get relegated the right way. Fulham seem to have learned their lesson!!
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Feb 21, 2023 19:42:11 GMT 1
Yep, we showed our inexperie as a club the second season was a disaster we did exactly what you're not supposed to do. Sheff United, Fulham, Burnley are the blueprint for how to get relegated the right way. Fulham seem to have learned their lesson!! Took them long enough though, they've yo-yoed for years. Being honest I've not paid much attention to the PL table this season so had no idea where Fulham were- guessed they'd be around 15th, how the f*** are they 6th?
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Post by Teddington Ted on Feb 21, 2023 21:45:07 GMT 1
Fulham seem to have learned their lesson!! Took them long enough though, they've yo-yoed for years. Being honest I've not paid much attention to the PL table this season so had no idea where Fulham were- guessed they'd be around 15th, how the f*** are they 6th? Is Kongolo still at Fulham? What a waste of some genuine talent his career has become.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 21:46:45 GMT 1
We've still never had a Director of Football. I thought head of football operations was the same thing? Similar, just at a lower pay grade.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 21:49:39 GMT 1
It's too painful I've banned myself from revisiting that topic. There's always a chance we sneak into the Prem again (got to avoid relegation first) and learn the lessons from 18/19. Imagine if we'd just spent 20 million on 3 or 4 proven premiership players to add to the squad that got us promoted. We might have got relegated but it would have saved the pain of the 2nd prem season and we would still have had a chunk of cash left to try again the following season!! In what market would we find proven premier league signings at £5m a piece, unless their legs had gone a la Puncheon ?
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Feb 21, 2023 21:56:14 GMT 1
Took them long enough though, they've yo-yoed for years. Being honest I've not paid much attention to the PL table this season so had no idea where Fulham were- guessed they'd be around 15th, how the f*** are they 6th? Is Kongolo still at Fulham? What a waste of some genuine talent his career has become. He's on loan at Le Havre in the French second division.
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Post by kayeb222 on Feb 21, 2023 22:39:03 GMT 1
I thought head of football operations was the same thing? Similar, just at a lower pay grade. ah,ok. I stand corrected.
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Post by kayeb222 on Feb 21, 2023 22:45:55 GMT 1
Imagine if we'd just spent 20 million on 3 or 4 proven premiership players to add to the squad that got us promoted. We might have got relegated but it would have saved the pain of the 2nd prem season and we would still have had a chunk of cash left to try again the following season!! In what market would we find proven premier league signings at £5m a piece, unless their legs had gone a la Puncheon ? maybe a couple of experienced guys in their early 30s who are perhaps considered past it coupled with a few similar ones who are out of contract or maybe a couple who have been relegated with a previous team and want another go at the premiership. I'm sure we could have done something like that and it wouldn't have been much worse than eventually happened and would still have been cheaper.
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Post by ritchie on Feb 21, 2023 22:50:09 GMT 1
If he lived local and wanted to keep busy i'm sure there's a job we could give him, but he aint a DOF or anything like that.
When he finally gives up managing (genuinly think this will actually be his last) he will spend his days public speaking and on vacation.
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Post by kayeb222 on Feb 21, 2023 22:52:33 GMT 1
If he lived local and wanted to keep busy i'm sure there's a job we could give him, but he aint a DOF or anything like that. When he finally gives up managing (genuinly think this will actually be his last) he will spend his days public speaking and on vacation. Surely you're not suggesting that he replace the legendary Boothy? Lol
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Post by ritchie on Feb 21, 2023 23:04:12 GMT 1
If he lived local and wanted to keep busy i'm sure there's a job we could give him, but he aint a DOF or anything like that. When he finally gives up managing (genuinly think this will actually be his last) he will spend his days public speaking and on vacation. Surely you're not suggesting that he replace the legendary Boothy? Lol Maybe he could cover for his holidays
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Post by kayeb222 on Feb 21, 2023 23:05:33 GMT 1
Surely you're not suggesting that he replace the legendary Boothy? Lol Maybe he could cover for his holidays Or when he's playing cricket!!
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Post by 28901 on Feb 21, 2023 23:13:15 GMT 1
The hours that it would take up to do the job properly are significantly more than NW has said he wants to do, but if a part time role (e.g. on a consultancy basis) could be found for him I'd be bloody delighted to have him on board. Doing what exactly?
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 22, 2023 7:38:56 GMT 1
The hours that it would take up to do the job properly are significantly more than NW has said he wants to do, but if a part time role (e.g. on a consultancy basis) could be found for him I'd be bloody delighted to have him on board. Doing what exactly? TBH I'm not sure. Some form of consultancy role I'd have thought. If there's some way that his man management skills could be passed on and utilised then that's what I'm thinking about.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 9:54:17 GMT 1
A new owner may view the DOF role differently. Town have tried to maintain an 'identity' through the age groups. Same training systems, style of play and structures to allow younger players to move up more easily. This is probably dictated by the DOF and we have seen it can have variable results, and I think is one reason we are boom or bust. This may have been one of the reasons MF failed. He always said he would play an attacking style, but he didn't. We played the same slowly out from the back, sideways and backwards tippy tappy and with little bite in the final third.
Warnock is obviously not being shackled by this and we saw the results last Saturday. It may not always work but it is much more exciting and I think, with our new owner probably looking on, we may see a change of direction in the future. The DOF and playing identity is great in principal but you need better players throughout the squad than we have. Toffs, Colwill and O'Brien, with the quality we had on the left, and Sorba on the right, helped us get away with it last season, but when it doesn't gel it can be very poor.
It will be very interesting come the summer. Let's hope we are still a Championship side.
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Post by Sio on Feb 22, 2023 10:27:05 GMT 1
A new owner may view the DOF role differently. Town have tried to maintain an 'identity' through the age groups. Same training systems, style of play and structures to allow younger players to move up more easily. This is probably dictated by the DOF and we have seen it can have variable results, and I think is one reason we are boom or bust. This may have been one of the reasons MF failed. He always said he would play an attacking style, but he didn't. We played the same slowly out from the back, sideways and backwards tippy tappy and with little bite in the final third. Warnock is obviously not being shackled by this and we saw the results last Saturday. It may not always work but it is much more exciting and I think, with our new owner probably looking on, we may see a change of direction in the future. The DOF and playing identity is great in principal but you need better players throughout the squad than we have. Toffs, Colwill and O'Brien, with the quality we had on the left, and Sorba on the right, helped us get away with it last season, but when it doesn't gel it can be very poor. It will be very interesting come the summer. Let's hope we are still a Championship side. You are giving the guy far, far too much credit.
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Post by prepare on Feb 22, 2023 13:43:34 GMT 1
A new owner may view the DOF role differently. Town have tried to maintain an 'identity' through the age groups. Same training systems, style of play and structures to allow younger players to move up more easily. This is probably dictated by the DOF and we have seen it can have variable results, and I think is one reason we are boom or bust. This may have been one of the reasons MF failed. He always said he would play an attacking style, but he didn't. We played the same slowly out from the back, sideways and backwards tippy tappy and with little bite in the final third. Warnock is obviously not being shackled by this and we saw the results last Saturday. It may not always work but it is much more exciting and I think, with our new owner probably looking on, we may see a change of direction in the future. The DOF and playing identity is great in principal but you need better players throughout the squad than we have. Toffs, Colwill and O'Brien, with the quality we had on the left, and Sorba on the right, helped us get away with it last season, but when it doesn't what evgel it can be very poor. It will be very interesting come the summer. Let's hope we are still a Championship side. You are giving the guy far, far too much credit. I don’t believe bromby will be here next season what ever division we are in I’ve no proof of that but he certainly has been sidelined that’s for sure
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Feb 22, 2023 13:49:14 GMT 1
You are giving the guy far, far too much credit. I don’t believe bromby will be here next season what ever division we are in I’ve no proof of that but he certainly has been sidelined that’s for sure the fact that he's been very much persona non grata for over a week now speaks volumes. He's gone in everything but name.
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Post by typical on Feb 22, 2023 14:04:24 GMT 1
I don’t believe bromby will be here next season what ever division we are in I’ve no proof of that but he certainly has been sidelined that’s for sure the fact that he's been very much persona non grata for over a week now speaks volumes. He's gone in everything but name. He was there in the Warnock BTS on the YouTube channel, right at the start showing him around the training ground etc.
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Post by Sio on Feb 22, 2023 14:16:07 GMT 1
the fact that he's been very much persona non grata for over a week now speaks volumes. He's gone in everything but name. He was there in the Warnock BTS on the YouTube channel, right at the start showing him around the training ground etc. Guessing they knew one another at Sheff U and Leeds? Anything to help Warnock settle in...
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Post by mosher on Feb 22, 2023 14:31:38 GMT 1
the fact that he's been very much persona non grata for over a week now speaks volumes. He's gone in everything but name. He was there in the Warnock BTS on the YouTube channel, right at the start showing him around the training ground etc. But it didn't show after that when LB told Colin he was signing Robbie Ryan and Jason Davidson because he knew we needed full backs. And Colin turning and giving Jeppo the nod. LB last seen upside down in a skip on the way to Beeston
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 14:48:07 GMT 1
I don’t believe bromby will be here next season what ever division we are in I’ve no proof of that but he certainly has been sidelined that’s for sure the fact that he's been very much persona non grata for over a week now speaks volumes. He's gone in everything but name. The likelihood is Warnock has said he will take the job on if he gets no interference. He has one task which is to keep us up and it will be him calling all the shots on who plays and what style they play. He has previous with DOFs but that doesn't mean Bromby will go. As I said it could be all change in the summer and I think decisions will be made then.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 22, 2023 15:30:39 GMT 1
In what market would we find proven premier league signings at £5m a piece, unless their legs had gone a la Puncheon ? maybe a couple of experienced guys in their early 30s who are perhaps considered past it coupled with a few similar ones who are out of contract or maybe a couple who have been relegated with a previous team and want another go at the premiership. I'm sure we could have done something like that and it wouldn't have been much worse than eventually happened and would still have been cheaper. I think part of the problem with these signings, if they were seasoned PL players with a few seasons experience under their belt, is their wage demands. I suspect these 'past it' players still try it on if they see that some club is offering them a career extension. Not that I'm suggesting modern footballers are mercenaries, who can amass the comparative equivalent of 10 George Best salaries with the money sloshing around nowadays. I'll always cite the Jimmy Glazzard owning his grocers shop at Sheepridge story. (& living above it IIRC) For me it would be a bit like one of the mid-range CF's in the PL opening up a Londis franchise when they retire... Have I mentioned I fecking hate what money has done to modern football? ;-)
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Post by kayeb222 on Feb 23, 2023 2:33:48 GMT 1
maybe a couple of experienced guys in their early 30s who are perhaps considered past it coupled with a few similar ones who are out of contract or maybe a couple who have been relegated with a previous team and want another go at the premiership. I'm sure we could have done something like that and it wouldn't have been much worse than eventually happened and would still have been cheaper. I think part of the problem with these signings, if they were seasoned PL players with a few seasons experience under their belt, is their wage demands. I suspect these 'past it' players still try it on if they see that some club is offering them a career extension. Not that I'm suggesting modern footballers are mercenaries, who can amass the comparative equivalent of 10 George Best salaries with the money sloshing around nowadays. I'll always cite the Jimmy Glazzard owning his grocers shop at Sheepridge story. (& living above it IIRC) For me it would be a bit like one of the mid-range CF's in the PL opening up a Londis franchise when they retire... Have I mentioned I fecking hate what money has done to modern football? ;-) I think most modern day footballers are mercenaries to be honest. Perhaps we could have offered them top championship wages on 2yr deals with a decent signing on fee and an agreement to double the wages plus a large bonus if we had avoided relegation in the first season.I know it's too late now and hindsight is a great thing but we could have done a lot better than we did and should have been comfortable for years to come if we had invested wisely.
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Post by kayeb222 on Feb 23, 2023 2:37:30 GMT 1
I don’t believe bromby will be here next season what ever division we are in I’ve no proof of that but he certainly has been sidelined that’s for sure the fact that he's been very much persona non grata for over a week now speaks volumes. He's gone in everything but name. Hopefully. How many years has he been with us now?
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