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Post by wigster on Mar 4, 2023 20:44:01 GMT 1
I listened to Neil's interview after the match today.
Pleasant, placid, calm, could have been commenting on a mild change in the weather.
Combine that with the rather affable, amused, defeated-before-we-start approach to the Burnley debacle, and you have the picture of a 74 year old man having a bit of a break, a 12 week bit of excitement, before he gets back to his retirement and talking tour.
Still proud of his achievements, and will do his best, but it doesn't really matter as he won't be at Town in 2 or 3 months.
A complete and utter shambles of a club.
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Post by shawsie on Mar 4, 2023 20:47:16 GMT 1
I listened to Neil's interview after the match today. Pleasant, placid, calm, could have been commenting on a mild change in the weather. Combine that with the rather affable, amused, defeated-before-we-start approach to the Burnley debacle, and you have the picture of a 74 year old man having a bit of a break, a 12 week bit of excitement, before he gets back to his retirement and talking tour. Still proud of his achievements, and will do his best, but it doesn't really matter as he won't be at Town in 2 or 3 months. A complete and utter shambles of a club. I suspect his demeanour behind the scenes may be sonewhat different.
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Post by thomo on Mar 4, 2023 21:09:31 GMT 1
I listened to Neil's interview after the match today. Pleasant, placid, calm, could have been commenting on a mild change in the weather. Combine that with the rather affable, amused, defeated-before-we-start approach to the Burnley debacle, and you have the picture of a 74 year old man having a bit of a break, a 12 week bit of excitement, before he gets back to his retirement and talking tour. Still proud of his achievements, and will do his best, but it doesn't really matter as he won't be at Town in 2 or 3 months. A complete and utter shambles of a club. I suspect his demeanour behind the scenes may be sonewhat different. I hope it is different behind the scenes. He really does seem nothing like his former self. Wish he'd just lay into them after today. Certain players not good enough. Others taking the piss
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Post by royalflush on Mar 4, 2023 21:13:27 GMT 1
He does seem to have mellowed with age. I was really wanting him to let rip at HT and bollock Helik for not doing a Pat Scully and booting that into row Z but I just can't see it. If he did there was no reaction whatsoever.
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Post by 28901 on Mar 4, 2023 21:23:38 GMT 1
He sounded like he'd just lost a game of pool at his local with no side bet.
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Post by royrace on Mar 4, 2023 21:26:23 GMT 1
I would imagine he is privately fuming and embarrassed by today, that was about as far from a Warnock performance as you’d find and against a decent side but not brilliant by any stretch. Quite shocked by it tbh and I expect he is too. I don’t think for a minute he’s as relaxed as he’s pretending to be about it. It’s not the mistakes for me although they are infuriating, it’s the general tone of the performance and what looks like a lack of desire to compete. Again the exact opposite of what you’d expect. Felt flat from the off and I think as fans we could see that the Birmingham performance wasn’t going to be repeated. Shame they can’t bring anyone in, I dare say they would very much like to.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 4, 2023 21:27:01 GMT 1
Maybe at 74 he doesn’t give a shiny shite what people think of his demeanour?
He’s probably contracted on a decent bonus, hopefully his passion for the game is still there, but doesn’t see the need to live up to his typecasting?
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Mar 4, 2023 21:29:46 GMT 1
He does seem to have mellowed with age. I was really wanting him to let rip at HT and bollock Helik for not doing a Pat Scully and booting that into row Z but I just can't see it. If he did there was no reaction whatsoever. Not sure it would help. These players just appear mentally weak, plus we’ve got a load of kids too. We’ve basically created a squad that even a seasoned escapologist can’t get a tune out of. He said we didn’t have any leaders bar Hogg when he arrived and they are proving him right.
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Post by softboy on Mar 4, 2023 21:34:29 GMT 1
Let’s not kid ourselves. He is here to get a couple of months money for his pension put. He made no changes at half time when we were only 1 0 down and once we went 2 0 down Just sat in the dug put. He’s here for that it of extra money. If MF had lost 2 games he would have bee given pelters. Do the right thing Neil just walk away now
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Post by hthp on Mar 4, 2023 21:35:47 GMT 1
Let’s not kid ourselves. He is here to get a couple of months money for his pension put. He made no changes at half time when we were only 1 0 down and once we went 2 0 down Just sat in the dug put. He’s here for that it of extra money. If MF had lost 2 games he would have bee given pelters. Do the right thing Neil just walk away now And who on Earth takes charge then?
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Post by hthp on Mar 4, 2023 21:36:20 GMT 1
He does seem to have mellowed with age. I was really wanting him to let rip at HT and bollock Helik for not doing a Pat Scully and booting that into row Z but I just can't see it. If he did there was no reaction whatsoever. Not sure it would help. These players just appear mentally weak, plus we’ve got a load of kids too. We’ve basically created a squad that even a seasoned escapologist can’t get a tune out of. He said we didn’t have any leaders bar Hogg when he arrived and they are proving him right. And he was even wrong when he said that. Hogg isn't a leader.
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Post by workshyfop on Mar 4, 2023 21:41:55 GMT 1
Liked Declan Rice’s interview today. I wish our players felt like this.
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Post by harrythedog on Mar 4, 2023 22:00:26 GMT 1
Not sure it would help. These players just appear mentally weak, plus we’ve got a load of kids too. We’ve basically created a squad that even a seasoned escapologist can’t get a tune out of. He said we didn’t have any leaders bar Hogg when he arrived and they are proving him right. And he was even wrong when he said that. Hogg isn't a leader. Hogg couldn’t lead them to the chip shop. He’d look left, be indecisive and then go right to the curry ole. Meanwhile those that were supposed to be following had stopped and bought ice cream from a passing dixons.
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Post by htfcterry on Mar 4, 2023 22:02:20 GMT 1
I listened to Neil's interview after the match today. Pleasant, placid, calm, could have been commenting on a mild change in the weather. Combine that with the rather affable, amused, defeated-before-we-start approach to the Burnley debacle, and you have the picture of a 74 year old man having a bit of a break, a 12 week bit of excitement, before he gets back to his retirement and talking tour. Still proud of his achievements, and will do his best, but it doesn't really matter as he won't be at Town in 2 or 3 months. A complete and utter shambles of a club. Based on todays performance, I feel the players think the same. Why would they give a toss if he isn’t the long term solution?
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Post by htfcterry on Mar 4, 2023 22:04:20 GMT 1
Liked Declan Rice’s interview today. I wish our players felt like this. I can’t see one of our players coming out with an interview as honest as this. Hogg maybe, but he’s been way off it for weeks.
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Post by Wingman on Mar 4, 2023 22:25:43 GMT 1
The seasoned, experienced manager gives them hell in the dressing room, then tomorrow, once its sunk in, puts his arm round them and builds them back up. He doesn't go ape in the media to truly destroy his squad, because they know they've made a hash of it already from his rollocking.
That'll be Warnock.
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Post by yorkterrier on Mar 4, 2023 22:46:24 GMT 1
Let’s not kid ourselves. He is here to get a couple of months money for his pension put. He made no changes at half time when we were only 1 0 down and once we went 2 0 down Just sat in the dug put. He’s here for that it of extra money. If MF had lost 2 games he would have bee given pelters. Do the right thing Neil just walk away now Really, you think he's here for a couple of months pension money? FFS sake, he's earnt for more than he could ever pop into his pension pot. It might be another last tango but I doubt it's about making a couple of months brass lad.
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Post by space hardware on Mar 4, 2023 22:54:20 GMT 1
The seasoned, experienced manager gives them hell in the dressing room, then tomorrow, once its sunk in, puts his arm round them and builds them back up. He doesn't go ape in the media to truly destroy his squad, because they know they've made a hash of it already from his rollocking. That'll be Warnock. Shouldn't that have happened last weekend? We threw the Burnley game against a team that one of our relegation rivals took a point from today. There should have been a reaction today. Instead we got a dismal 4-0 defeat with no redeeming features, just like last week.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Mar 4, 2023 22:55:15 GMT 1
Let’s not kid ourselves. He is here to get a couple of months money for his pension put. He made no changes at half time when we were only 1 0 down and once we went 2 0 down Just sat in the dug put. He’s here for that it of extra money. If MF had lost 2 games he would have bee given pelters. Do the right thing Neil just walk away now Really, you think he's here for a couple of months pension money? FFS sake, he's earnt for more than he could ever pop into his pension pot. It might be another last tango but I doubt it's about making a couple of months brass lad. Take to notice, softboy is just a WUM, though I did hear Neil Warnock took out FP2016 and IP2016 just in case…..
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Post by bells ringing :) on Mar 4, 2023 23:03:31 GMT 1
the annoying thing for me is, that against brum 2nd game in Schforield said harsh words were spoken. Tthen against blackpool away harsh words, yet against twigan only a few days later, we were even worse.
I really do not think or uplayers care at all , if they do they have a very strange way of showing it thats for sure, two 4-0 defeats in a show says lack of care and heart to me. Do i expexct a reaction against Bristol on Tuesday no i don't expect anything, they neeed X-reays to see if any of our squad have spines, as 2 4-0 defeats would not sit well with me and the rest in the dressing room would knwo that for sure. As a town fan they would know it hurt me , i would probs be classed as cares too much, but the rest would know it and maybe a few physical situations would happen but i am a town fan and losing would hurt me real bad because putting my shirt on would mean a lot to me .
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Mar 4, 2023 23:05:04 GMT 1
the annoying thing for me is, that against brum 2nd game in Schforield said harsh words were spoken. Tthen against blackpool away harsh words, yet against twigan only a few days later, we were even worse. I really do not think or uplayers care at all , if they do they have a very strange way of showing it thats for sure, two 4-0 defeats in a show says lack of care and heart to me. Do i expexct a reaction against Bristol on Tuesday no i don't expect anything, they neeed X-reays to see if any of our squad have spines, as 2 4-0 defeats would not sit well with me and the rest in the dressing room would knwo that for sure. As a town fan they would know it hurt me , i would probs be classed as cares too much, but the rest would know it and maybe a few physical situations would happen but i am a town fan and losing would hurt me real bad because putting my shirt on would mean a lot to me . Eloquently said.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 4, 2023 23:32:28 GMT 1
the annoying thing for me is, that against brum 2nd game in Schforield said harsh words were spoken. Tthen against blackpool away harsh words, yet against twigan only a few days later, we were even worse. I really do not think or uplayers care at all , if they do they have a very strange way of showing it thats for sure, two 4-0 defeats in a show says lack of care and heart to me. Do i expexct a reaction against Bristol on Tuesday no i don't expect anything, they neeed X-reays to see if any of our squad have spines, as 2 4-0 defeats would not sit well with me and the rest in the dressing room would knwo that for sure. As a town fan they would know it hurt me , i would probs be classed as cares too much, but the rest would know it and maybe a few physical situations would happen but i am a town fan and losing would hurt me real bad because putting my shirt on would mean a lot to me . Eloquently said. Hey, if you can get O levels and A levels without spelling anything right and a degree pretty much the same, Im not sure we are the arbitors of the use of English language on here? Many people will not understand the lack of personal pride in some footballers, if they have their own and would not chuck it away as easily?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2023 23:47:30 GMT 1
I would imagine he is privately fuming and embarrassed by today, that was about as far from a Warnock performance as you’d find and against a decent side but not brilliant by any stretch. Quite shocked by it tbh and I expect he is too. I don’t think for a minute he’s as relaxed as he’s pretending to be about it. It’s not the mistakes for me although they are infuriating, it’s the general tone of the performance and what looks like a lack of desire to compete. Again the exact opposite of what you’d expect. Felt flat from the off and I think as fans we could see that the Birmingham performance wasn’t going to be repeated. Shame they can’t bring anyone in, I dare say they would very much like to. I don't think there is a lack of desire. There were players putting in plenty of effort. The problem was there was no cohesion. Against Birmingham we started with Kasumu, Camara, Rudoni, Hungbo and Headley. They clicked. They passed to each other and supported when going forward or dropping back. Today no Camara or Kasumu (he may have been the one who was ill), Headley went off early and we had no connected midfield. Hungbo was pretty much on his own when he broke and once Lowton went left sided we lost the pace on that side. IMHO Camara would always start before High. The whole setup looked amazingly defensive but all it did was allow Coventry to find holes to attack through as we had no cohesion. Not sure if it was the Burnley result that made Warnock try and block them out but it was a really poor team selection. I think he has run out of time now. If Headley is out for a while we will struggle down the left. Jackson seems to be out of the first team picture as well. There was very little time to get this right and we may have lost whatever small opportunity we had.
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Post by richhtfc on Mar 5, 2023 0:05:20 GMT 1
I would imagine he is privately fuming and embarrassed by today, that was about as far from a Warnock performance as you’d find and against a decent side but not brilliant by any stretch. Quite shocked by it tbh and I expect he is too. I don’t think for a minute he’s as relaxed as he’s pretending to be about it. It’s not the mistakes for me although they are infuriating, it’s the general tone of the performance and what looks like a lack of desire to compete. Again the exact opposite of what you’d expect. Felt flat from the off and I think as fans we could see that the Birmingham performance wasn’t going to be repeated. Shame they can’t bring anyone in, I dare say they would very much like to. I don't think there is a lack of desire. There were players putting in plenty of effort. The problem was there was no cohesion. Against Birmingham we started with Kasumu, Camara, Rudoni, Hungbo and Headley. They clicked. They passed to each other and supported when going forward or dropping back. Today no Camara or Kasumu (he may have been the one who was ill), Headley went off early and we had no connected midfield. Hungbo was pretty much on his own when he broke and once Lowton went left sided we lost the pace on that side. IMHO Camara would always start before High. The whole setup looked amazingly defensive but all it did was allow Coventry to find holes to attack through as we had no cohesion. Not sure if it was the Burnley result that made Warnock try and block them out but it was a really poor team selection. I think he has run out of time now. If Headley is out for a while we will struggle down the left. Jackson seems to be out of the first team picture as well. There was very little time to get this right and we may have lost whatever small opportunity we had. Agree with most of that other than it wasnt really a defensive line up, i think he really wanted Lowton and Headley to join the attack and play as high wingbacks. That was kind of scuppered when Headley went off and Diara was asked to play the same role. I felt we left massive gaps because we tried to play expansively but we just can’t fashion any effective patterns of play. You get the feeling that there isn’t time to drill any kind of cohesive attacking plan and it’s not really NW’s forte anyway, he favours letting players express themselves which is fine if you can do the basics and players know their roles but ours don’t unfortunately.
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Post by richhtfc on Mar 5, 2023 0:05:56 GMT 1
I would imagine he is privately fuming and embarrassed by today, that was about as far from a Warnock performance as you’d find and against a decent side but not brilliant by any stretch. Quite shocked by it tbh and I expect he is too. I don’t think for a minute he’s as relaxed as he’s pretending to be about it. It’s not the mistakes for me although they are infuriating, it’s the general tone of the performance and what looks like a lack of desire to compete. Again the exact opposite of what you’d expect. Felt flat from the off and I think as fans we could see that the Birmingham performance wasn’t going to be repeated. Shame they can’t bring anyone in, I dare say they would very much like to. I don't think there is a lack of desire. There were players putting in plenty of effort. The problem was there was no cohesion. Against Birmingham we started with Kasumu, Camara, Rudoni, Hungbo and Headley. They clicked. They passed to each other and supported when going forward or dropping back. Today no Camara or Kasumu (he may have been the one who was ill), Headley went off early and we had no connected midfield. Hungbo was pretty much on his own when he broke and once Lowton went left sided we lost the pace on that side. IMHO Camara would always start before High. The whole setup looked amazingly defensive but all it did was allow Coventry to find holes to attack through as we had no cohesion. Not sure if it was the Burnley result that made Warnock try and block them out but it was a really poor team selection. I think he has run out of time now. If Headley is out for a while we will struggle down the left. Jackson seems to be out of the first team picture as well. There was very little time to get this right and we may have lost whatever small opportunity we had. Agree with most of that other than it wasnt really a defensive set up, i think he really wanted Lowton and Headley to join the attack and play as high wingbacks. That was kind of scuppered when Headley went off and Diara was asked to play the same role. We continued to try and play further up the pitch but we left massive gaps because we tried to play expansively but we just can’t fashion any effective patterns of play. You get the feeling that there isn’t time to drill any kind of cohesive attacking plan and it’s not really NW’s forte anyway, he favours letting players express themselves which is fine if you can do the basics and players know their roles but ours don’t unfortunately.
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Post by detox on Mar 5, 2023 0:10:13 GMT 1
Did anyone hear warnocks interview before the the game where he said he was surprised, when he arrived, how tactically niaive most of the squad is, even the basics.... Which he didn't expect to see..
Something wrong in our coaching set up?
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 5, 2023 0:13:47 GMT 1
Did anyone hear warnocks interview before the the game where he said he was surprised, when he arrived, how tactically niaive most of the squad is, even the basics.... Which he didn't expect to see.. Something wrong in our coaching set up? Well up to now we had not been arseholed by 4 in consecutive games, for all the 'poor coaching' going on?
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Post by 28901 on Mar 5, 2023 1:30:46 GMT 1
Let’s not kid ourselves. He is here to get a couple of months money for his pension put. He made no changes at half time when we were only 1 0 down and once we went 2 0 down Just sat in the dug put. He’s here for that it of extra money. If MF had lost 2 games he would have bee given pelters. Do the right thing Neil just walk away now And who on Earth takes charge then? Chicho 😘
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Post by hthp on Mar 5, 2023 1:37:07 GMT 1
And who on Earth takes charge then? Chicho 😘 Oh, of course, that useless sod.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 5, 2023 1:47:41 GMT 1
Warnock has to be careful. If he starts ranting and raving at his age he could croak.
I, like most others, was excited by his re-appointment, but if he thinks Ward & High are the answers to our problems, then we're fucked. Knockeart seems to be out of favour despite being probably the most talented player in the squad and the Birmingham game apart, has really looked up for it when he's played.
I'm hoping he's got a megaphone down at Canalside, because this shower of shit definitely need a Warnock bollocking of old.
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