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Post by ACW on Mar 8, 2023 9:25:58 GMT 1
Which game has he lost us points? He earned us 3 V Birmingham. Burnley and Coventry, absolutely none of that was down to him. Bilo hasn't had a bad game. Hull and you must not have watched the goals back against Burnley and Coventry. I’m clearly in the minority but i think he’s played like a 19 year old, nothing wrong with that on his part but he wouldn’t have got a game for any of the other 23 teams in this league. Most of our players wouldn't get a game for the other 23 teams in this league. Bilo has made mistakes, but others have been far poorer than he has. Completely unfair to put our recent results down to him. Most of the play infront of him - defending and attacking - has been abysmal. And that's being kind. |
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Post by bullterrier on Mar 8, 2023 9:47:08 GMT 1
I really don’t understand why everyone keeps defending the fact he ended up in our goal. He’s 19 years old, well he was, he played like a 19 year old. He played very well for a 19 year old, but that’s irrelevant. As a Championship keeper, right now, he’s terrible and played terrible and it cost us points. Not his fault just the latest joke decision. I thought Bromby was the problem then we bomb out Sorba and leave ourselves without a goalie. Which game has he lost us points? He earned us 3 V Birmingham. Burnley and Coventry, absolutely none of that was down to him. Bilo hasn't had a bad game. Shocking at Burnley stuck to his line leaving big gaps in behind defence at fault for 3 goals .still gets selected against cov at fault for 2 getting beat near post, his kicking is shocking too. Warnock has to take some blame for these performances with his selections carrying too many passengers in games |
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Post by Tez on Mar 8, 2023 9:48:55 GMT 1
Few takes from the game… Vaclik has had his doubters me included but he helped keep the score as it was (even Hoggys flying header for an OG attempt!)
Diarra looks threatening with potential just wish he had proper studs in.
We were woeful most of the game until Koroma dragged that one wide, Wag had one header cleared off line and Rudoni.. just aim for the corners lad!
A game we should have lost 3/4-0 could have sneaked a 1-0 win but ended up with a draw that doesn’t do owt for us.
Ah well roll on hawthorns Saturday Vs Carlos 🤣🤦🏼♂️
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Post by terriersyndrome on Mar 8, 2023 9:54:05 GMT 1
Horrible first half, lucky to go in 0-0. Better second half, unlucky not to nick it at the end.
Vaclik was excellent and deserved his clean sheet.
It's a point but we were desperate for 3. Too much to do to stay up now, which was already a big ask before yesterday's game.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 8, 2023 10:03:46 GMT 1
I would have liked to see 10 mins of Simpson running at their defence towards the end. They certainly weren’t as comfortable as the Coventry defence on Sat.
I think Ward is a solid player, he takes a lot of stock from defenders, but when he’s getting no sort of feed from the midfield or the wing, it makes it worse for him. We also have to acknowledge that we’ve been playing with vintage strikers for a while now. At least giving Simpson some proper game time would allow us to see if he can grow into that position and make it his own.
Overall, it feels like it’s been one of the most disjointed seasons with regards to team selection, even allowing for injuries. Maybe it’s a good thing that we’ve dusted off LC’s bingo machine if we end up in L1?
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 8, 2023 10:06:44 GMT 1
Which game has he lost us points? He earned us 3 V Birmingham. Burnley and Coventry, absolutely none of that was down to him. Bilo hasn't had a bad game. Shocking at Burnley stuck to his line leaving big gaps in behind defence at fault for 3 goals .still gets selected against cov at fault for 2 getting beat near post, his kicking is shocking too. Warnock has to take some blame for these performances with his selections carrying too many passengers in games You mean like that kick that set up the winner v Brum (not to mention his distribution for the equaliser). He has a mistake in him, he might be prone to a bad kick as well, but show me a keeper that doesn’t have that in them. |
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 8, 2023 10:18:36 GMT 1
Vaclik 8 - showed his quality. Pearson - 7 Lees - 7 Helik - 7 much better. Jackson - rusty. Made errors, took better corners. 6 Ruffels - okay defensively. Cannot cross or pass -5 Hogg - 6 Rudhoni - 7 as usual lots of endeavour should have scored Hungbo - 4 didn’t look interested. Diarra - 4 too many mistakes. Ward - 1 did nothing Waghorn - worked very hard 6 Koroma - 6 should have scored. Ball boys/girls - 0 they need a rocket. So warnock told them to slow down. I think he meant on the ball as opposed to not showing any urgency. The football was dire. The ultimate hoof ball. When you put 6 for Waghorn did you mean to press 0, he was fucking embarrassing, can't head a ball, can't control a ball and can't hold a ball up. |
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Post by boooothy on Mar 8, 2023 10:18:53 GMT 1
Hull and you must not have watched the goals back against Burnley and Coventry. I’m clearly in the minority but i think he’s played like a 19 year old, nothing wrong with that on his part but he wouldn’t have got a game for any of the other 23 teams in this league. Most of our players wouldn't get a game for the other 23 teams in this league. Bilo has made mistakes, but others have been far poorer than he has. Completely unfair to put our recent results down to him. Most of the play infront of him - defending and attacking - has been abysmal. And that's being kind. Don’t disagree with any of that but if he’d have played last night, we’d of lost, i’m absolutely certain about that. |
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Post by htfc63 on Mar 8, 2023 10:51:33 GMT 1
I must admit I am usually optimistic however after watching the game last night it’s clear we have little to offer. When you look at other teams in the league all are not perfect however will usually have one or more strong aspects to their lineups in defence, midfield, or attack whereas as we are weak in all areas.
Last night we rode our luck as other opposition teams would have punished us as basic aspects of our game such as passing, first touch, stopping runners through midfield, keeping possession etc were sadly lacking. Some of the balls we pumped forward were woeful and you maybe have to feel sorry for the likes of Danny Ward feeding on scraps. We may grind out the odd draw however to win we will probably have to rely on other teams having an off day so unfortunately we look destined for league one. Looking at our squad the only stand out player for me is Nichols who will no doubt push for a move so unless a great deal of rebuilding takes place we could find ourselves struggling again.
I would love to see us competing again as over many years I have seen us languishing in the lower leagues and it’s not pretty.UTT
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Post by Sparrow on Mar 8, 2023 10:52:27 GMT 1
I disagree shawsie and both have been mismanaged to a certain extent. Camara has shown he's good enough to build a side around. Kasumu has superb stamina and work ethic, even out of position at full back he was considerably better than anything else we've got at full back. Etienne is another one who is not yet ready for regular Championship footballer. The fact that we are having to rely on the likes of Etienne Camara and Brahima Diarra to start matches and/or be our subs, along with the likes of Brodie Spencer, Loick Ayina and Charles Ondo starting or being on the bench, just show's how criminally bad the club has been run and how outrageously poor our recruitment has been. These kids have bags of potential and could become really really top players, as do Jahiem Headley, Ben Jackson & Nic Bilokapic and a few others. But they are no where near Championship ready. The fact that Charles Ondo was getting minutes off the bench earlier in the season and is now on loan at League of Ireland Division 1 Side Waterford and struggling to get minutes AND we couldn't get Brodie Spencer a Loan during the January Window, shows how bad our recruitment has been. As many will know, I rate our kids very highly and think a number of them can become very good footballers. However, the majority are still very young and not ready for Championship football. I really do question the competence and ability of our entire recruitment team to develop them properly. This goes back to when Bromby didn't allow Chrichlow to go out on Loan in January 2021. He'd played at the beginning of the season and won a MOM. CC then dropped him and he didn't get back in. He asks to go out on Loan but Bromby said no and he didn't play another game that season. He was 20 years of Age then.....2 years later and he's on Loan in League 2. If he'd have gone on loan to league 2 in Jan 21 he would have kicked on. Development stifled. Same with REG this year. Rotherham wanted him on Loan for the season and he would have been pretty much guaranteed to start for them at the beginning of the season. We say no. He then doesn't play for us and we send him out on deadline day to Wigan who just wanted him as defensive cover. Having played 40+ games in League 1 last season. He's barely played this season. Development stifled. |
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Post by crux on Mar 8, 2023 10:53:07 GMT 1
Vaclik 8 - showed his quality. Pearson - 7 Lees - 7 Helik - 7 much better. Jackson - rusty. Made errors, took better corners. 6 Ruffels - okay defensively. Cannot cross or pass -5 Hogg - 6 Rudhoni - 7 as usual lots of endeavour should have scored Hungbo - 4 didn’t look interested. Diarra - 4 too many mistakes. Ward - 1 did nothing Waghorn - worked very hard 6 Koroma - 6 should have scored. Ball boys/girls - 0 they need a rocket. So warnock told them to slow down. I think he meant on the ball as opposed to not showing any urgency. The football was dire. The ultimate hoof ball. When you put 6 for Waghorn did you mean to press 0, he was fucking embarrassing, can't head a ball, can't control a ball and can't hold a ball up. I was beginning to think I was the odd one out, he's fucking awful - or at least he's not central lone striker. I couldn't believe Simpson didn't come on instead of him. |
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Post by ben1987 on Mar 8, 2023 11:16:09 GMT 1
it’s clear we have little to offer. When you look at other teams in the league all are not perfect however will usually have one or more strong aspects to their lineups in defence, midfield, or attack whereas as we are weak in all areas. Speak to your mate Dean about it, he left the squad looking like this His words “ In terms of the Club’s ambition moving forward, last season has set the standard for us. We all understand that football, particularly in the Championship, has ups and downs season by season, but it is our aim to be in and around the upper echelons of the division. That should be the aim of every team in this division when the first game comes around.” “I firmly believe the squad is well set for the season ahead“ It was clear before a ball was kicked against Burnley we weren’t adequate enough, it didn’t take last night to realise it. The fans have voted with their feet, the attendance last night was 4 figures. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 8, 2023 11:42:52 GMT 1
Suprised how many are getting at Warnock to be honest. Hes been there and done it and can get a side out the shit, if they have it in them. It just shows how crap our squad is and how the top custodian has allowed us to deteriorate. He's the one setting them up to simply launch the ball up the pitch up the pitch like a set of non-league cloggers. We look more like a rugby union team than a football team half the time. I thought it was strange by warnock last night. A clear plan to simply lump it downfield. Maybe hes taking a pragmatic approach.. but we dont have the players to play like that. You need a forward who either has the pace to run onto balls over the top, or a forward who will hold it up and link play. You also need defenders who are capable of playing good accurate lumps up field, and none of ours are. It was when we got the ball on the floor and passed it through their midfield in the last 20 minutes that we looked the better side and could have actually scored. First 70 minutes, following on from Burnley and coventry, all I could think was how far weve actually gone backwards since changing managers. |
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Post by townarentbest on Mar 8, 2023 11:47:47 GMT 1
Not for me on either. Kasumu's second touch is too often a tackle and never been entirely convinced by Camara albeit i would concede he does have some talent. At 20 later this month hopefully he will blossom as you suggest. We don't have a single player in any position whose touch we could complement. Certainly agree Camara is still young and raw but it's not that long ago he was putting in MotM performances for us. Camara is one of those players whose touch IS worthy of complement. He's got incredible close control, and knows how to pass - just needs a bit more energy and drive. If we could combine Diarra's power and directness into Camara's football intelligence, we'd be passing the ball into the goal multiple times every game and be comfortably mid-table - I do like Diarra's raw energy - its a very old-skool kick and rush style, if he can just more often judge when he's running through too many people and release the ball a bit earlier, and/or get the ball more protected / in-control, he carries it very loosely, then he'll become a very good player - he has the type of movement and strength that nobody really likes playing against. |
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Post by jjamez on Mar 8, 2023 11:48:24 GMT 1
Where was Rhodes last night?
I still find it confusing that the one striker that whilst being past it, is the most natural finisher we've got, plus probably being the best in the air too, is not even on the bench, in favour of ward and waghorn who are ineffective and contribute next to nothing most games.
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Post by terriers321 on Mar 8, 2023 12:25:06 GMT 1
Suprised how many are getting at Warnock to be honest. Hes been there and done it and can get a side out the shit, if they have it in them. It just shows how crap our squad is and how the top custodian has allowed us to deteriorate. He's the one setting them up to simply launch the ball up the pitch up the pitch like a set of non-league cloggers. We look more like a rugby union team than a football team half the time. Well we arnt going to beat them at football are we. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 8, 2023 12:26:26 GMT 1
Where was Rhodes last night? I still find it confusing that the one striker that whilst being past it, is the most natural finisher we've got, plus probably being the best in the air too, is not even on the bench, in favour of ward and waghorn who are ineffective and contribute next to nothing most games. More concerned with Ward being bullied last night from the start, keeper kneeing him in the nuts aside, the two centre backs whacked him a few times. Maybe Simpson coming on and us saying 'bully him' then might have worked better than Waghorn just taking over from Ward to be knocked about? Warnock said the players need to be braver in posession, maybe we need a braver selection that really allows us to get forward quicker and stronger? |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 8, 2023 12:38:33 GMT 1
We don't have a single player in any position whose touch we could complement. Certainly agree Camara is still young and raw but it's not that long ago he was putting in MotM performances for us. Camara is one of those players whose touch IS worthy of complement. He's got incredible close control, and knows how to pass - just needs a bit more energy and drive. If we could combine Diarra's power and directness into Camara's football intelligence, we'd be passing the ball into the goal multiple times every game and be comfortably mid-table - I do like Diarra's raw energy - its a very old-skool kick and rush style, if he can just more often judge when he's running through too many people and release the ball a bit earlier, and/or get the ball more protected / in-control, he carries it very loosely, then he'll become a very good player - he has the type of movement and strength that nobody really likes playing against. What I see with the youngsters versus what we had with L’oB, is that they might just be a bit green. One part of the game that pisses me off today, is how niggly the play is. What I mean by that is all the tactical fouling and just blurring the edges into what’s a foul or not. I appreciate it’s a contact sport, but it makes for a poor spectacle when all the midfield play is like this, which is the norm for Town this season. What makes it worse is that the ball also seems to spend about 30 mins in the air in our games. All this makes me realise why teams with that extra yard of pace and play counter attacking football do well nowadays. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 8, 2023 12:49:17 GMT 1
Camara is one of those players whose touch IS worthy of complement. He's got incredible close control, and knows how to pass - just needs a bit more energy and drive. Very true, that's why you 'pair him' with Kasumu. |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 8, 2023 12:57:24 GMT 1
He's the one setting them up to simply launch the ball up the pitch up the pitch like a set of non-league cloggers. We look more like a rugby union team than a football team half the time. I thought it was strange by warnock last night. A clear plan to simply lump it downfield. Maybe hes taking a pragmatic approach.. but we dont have the players to play like that. You need a forward who either has the pace to run onto balls over the top, or a forward who will hold it up and link play. You also need defenders who are capable of playing good accurate lumps up field, and none of ours are. It was when we got the ball on the floor and passed it through their midfield in the last 20 minutes that we looked the better side and could have actually scored. First 70 minutes, following on from Burnley and coventry, all I could think was how far weve actually gone backwards since changing managers. I can't get my head around how different the Birmingham game was, compared to the last two home games. We were direct and aggressive against Brum, even after conceding a comedy goal after five minutes. It wasn't a vintage performance but it was way better than the last two. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 8, 2023 13:02:41 GMT 1
Etienne is another one who is not yet ready for regular Championship footballer. He was starting most games at the start of the season and to good effect too. He was putting in MotM performances, playing very impressive football. Showing a maturity beyond his years. Getting linked with multi-million pound moves to the greedy league. Something has happened and I don't know what it is, possibly contract stuff, possibly mismanagement, possibly a bit of what you say - him being still a bit young for the rigours of twice-weekly Championship football. |
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Post by townarentbest on Mar 8, 2023 13:15:55 GMT 1
I thought it was strange by warnock last night. A clear plan to simply lump it downfield. Maybe hes taking a pragmatic approach.. but we dont have the players to play like that. You need a forward who either has the pace to run onto balls over the top, or a forward who will hold it up and link play. You also need defenders who are capable of playing good accurate lumps up field, and none of ours are. It was when we got the ball on the floor and passed it through their midfield in the last 20 minutes that we looked the better side and could have actually scored. First 70 minutes, following on from Burnley and coventry, all I could think was how far weve actually gone backwards since changing managers. I can't get my head around how different the Birmingham game was, compared to the last two home games. We were direct and aggressive against Brum, even after conceding a comedy goal after five minutes. It wasn't a vintage performance but it was way better than the last two. One interpretation might be vs Brum was perhaps players freed from whatever Fotheringham had been drilling and playing with a bit of freedom trying to impress on a new manager who hadn't had any real chance to work on them in the previous short day ahead of the game. And then Warnock and Jepson have been running things since after that 🤷♂️ |
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 8, 2023 13:33:07 GMT 1
I think the home crowd played a big part in the Birmingham game.
Is that true? Fair to say? As someone who watched it on a Birmingham TV stream.
EDIT- I think Warnock even alluded to it himself.
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Post by 28901 on Mar 8, 2023 13:44:47 GMT 1
Etienne is another one who is not yet ready for regular Championship footballer. He was starting most games at the start of the season and to good effect too. He was putting in MotM performances, playing very impressive football. Showing a maturity beyond his years. Getting linked with multi-million pound moves to the greedy league. Something has happened and I don't know what it is, possibly contract stuff, possibly mismanagement, possibly a bit of what you say - him being still a bit young for the rigours of twice-weekly Championship football. Scot High got sent back with his must play directive. |
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Post by 28901 on Mar 8, 2023 13:46:10 GMT 1
I can't get my head around how different the Birmingham game was, compared to the last two home games. We were direct and aggressive against Brum, even after conceding a comedy goal after five minutes. It wasn't a vintage performance but it was way better than the last two. One interpretation might be vs Brum was perhaps players freed from whatever Fotheringham had been drilling and playing with a bit of freedom trying to impress on a new manager who hadn't had any real chance to work on them in the previous short day ahead of the game. And then Warnock and Jepson have been running things since after that 🤷♂️ Except for the 2 dreadful performances under Narcis. |
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Post by impact on Mar 8, 2023 14:17:12 GMT 1
I think the home crowd played a big part in the Birmingham game. Is that true? Fair to say? As someone who watched it on a Birmingham TV stream. EDIT- I think Warnock even alluded to it himself. The crowd was massively up for it, fuller than usual and the players fed off it. The crowd response to the odd bit of aggressive pressing and tackling and the players' response to that, brought back memories of the Wagner years. |
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Post by Sparrow on Mar 8, 2023 14:37:36 GMT 1
Etienne is another one who is not yet ready for regular Championship footballer. He was starting most games at the start of the season and to good effect too. He was putting in MotM performances, playing very impressive football. Showing a maturity beyond his years. Getting linked with multi-million pound moves to the greedy league. Something has happened and I don't know what it is, possibly contract stuff, possibly mismanagement, possibly a bit of what you say - him being still a bit young for the rigours of twice-weekly Championship football. Nothing has happened. The link with a multi-million pound move was bull. No contract issues either. His first match was against Cardiff when Narcis gave him a chance and he took it well. He then played 8 in a row in which we won 2, drew 2 and lost 4. He then pick up a knock and an illness. When he was fit again, Fotheringham decided to go with experience (or picked Scott High) so that's why Etienne was left out by him for a while, there really was no other reason. Since he's come back in to the squad, he's started 3 games of which 2 we've lost. Warnock is going with one defensive midfielder and at the moment that's Hogg. Etienne is an excellent prospect and is probably the pick of the bunch of the youngsters. Yes he's done some good things and had the odd good game. However, at this stage in his career there is no way he is ready to be starting or playing a big part in Championship matches. Maybe part of the squad and getting a few minutes here and there. But prior to that Cardiff game, he'd never played a Championship match. I think he got a few mins against Plymouth in the cup when CC played all the kids. This is in no way a criticism of him as I a big big fan of his. However, the fact that he's played so much Championship football this season is a condemnation of our recruitment department |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 8, 2023 14:39:08 GMT 1
Where was Rhodes last night? I still find it confusing that the one striker that whilst being past it, is the most natural finisher we've got, plus probably being the best in the air too, is not even on the bench, in favour of ward and waghorn who are ineffective and contribute next to nothing most games. Unfortunately it seems that Warnock is out of touch with how our forwards have performed this season, other than a couple of games before he took up the reigns. Rhodes, whilst not pulling up any trees, has been far better than Ward this season including his work rate/hold up play. Waghorn is just a waste of a signing. He can't jump or hold the ball up. The ability to run about a lot without affecting the game seems to be flavour of the month at the moment. |
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Post by ACW on Mar 8, 2023 14:44:30 GMT 1
He's the one setting them up to simply launch the ball up the pitch up the pitch like a set of non-league cloggers. We look more like a rugby union team than a football team half the time. Well we arnt going to beat them at football are we. So, you think we'll beat teams by launching the ball hopefully up the pitch? That's going well isn't it. As the Captain says above, the only time we looked like scoring last night was at the end when we got it down and put a few passes together. |
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Post by goodbet on Mar 8, 2023 15:24:45 GMT 1
Where was Rhodes last night? I still find it confusing that the one striker that whilst being past it, is the most natural finisher we've got, plus probably being the best in the air too, is not even on the bench, in favour of ward and waghorn who are ineffective and contribute next to nothing most games. Unfortunately it seems that Warnock is out of touch with how our forwards have performed this season, other than a couple of games before he took up the reigns. Rhodes, whilst not pulling up any trees, has been far better than Ward this season including his work rate/hold up play. Waghorn is just a waste of a signing. He can't jump or hold the ball up. The ability to run about a lot without affecting the game seems to be flavour of the month at the moment. He could not get a game for Coventry so we should not expect miracles. Another January gamble. |
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