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Post by Sio on Mar 22, 2023 11:19:28 GMT 1
Little update after reading a few comments. Administration This was a real possibility if a PURE Admins would not agree a deal, deal agreed last week and now Admin is not on the agenda as DH has full control and the ability to sell the club now. lack of official news Nothing can officially be said I agree its poor for the fans and frustrating but it’s not possible to make a statement until everything is signed and sealed. Transfer embargo due to late figures. Nothing in this at all figures should be sent in very soon and embargo will be lifted just the same for a handful of clubs in the championship. North American or Dutch There was not even really a choice as only the Dutch have come up with a deal, North Americans only wanted a championship club and although we might still be one they will not make a deal now. Dutch bid details I have very little I can say about the financial parts of the deal, however they come across very professional with many connections across the world with agents, sports groups, and scouting i would expect some interesting unheard of signings, they are also are running a very successful club in AZ and its working very well for them, i heard no suggestion of HTAFC Being a feeder / B Club more they have had success in Holland and want the same in England. We would have an identity and style with a focus on youth development. This deal works as both a Championship and L1 club which is the only way something can be agreed now. Dean Hoyle Although it does look like Dean will need to stay involved, is this really a bad thing in order to have a transition to the new owners. If Dean is healthy again and has the drive back with new investment from the Dutch this could be a good thing, I am led to believe DH would only have a background role in the club and for a limited time until the Dutch are approved. Looks very much like DB will continue also at the club. We will have a new manager, new head of Football, new scouting network. Reading Points deduction I believe the 6 will happen soon, and the arguments are actually regarding if more deductions will be added this season or not with at least another 6 points on the cards, Reading are trying to fight / delay the new points deductions. I think we all want the best for HTAFC and most importantly we want all the mess to be over and very soon it should all be a lot more clear. It's a miraculous recovery! And no, Dean being involved is not good for this club. We need a clean break. He has built the foundations of this utter mess of a club. Let me guess, some of the Board and staff remain unchanged too? Dreadful spin you're trying to put on this. Sadly, most will buy it. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 22, 2023 11:20:04 GMT 1
if the Americans were here looking round I dont get how that means what htafc35 said is untrue.
just because they've had a look round doesnt mean they have a bid on the table or would be interested if we weren't a championship club.
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Post by araucaria on Mar 22, 2023 11:24:14 GMT 1
Were not the only club. Its probably quite common for a new owner to require the old owner to stay on in some capacity for a period of time.. as it often is in any business sale. When the Russian Billionaire bought Bournemouth 10 years ago he only bought just over 50% initially. Enough to give him control. The other 50% became his later on,, probably on a time scale set out in the deal. The suggestion ( if theres any truth in it ) might be because they'd have to pass Fit and proper tests, and that can take a long time so will need someone in situ who has up to that point. They ( the dutch ) might want it because Hoyle has long standing relationships with KSDL, KMC and other vested interests in the stadium complex, which they might be looking to develop. Personally id be amazed if he cant wait to rid himself of the ownership, never mind clinging on to it. I dont have any issue with someone responsible for the best period the clubs had in 60 odd years still being involved but dont fret Hoyle haters,,, as a minor stakeholder he wont be choosing managers I wouldn't think. With the other option on the table presumably for full control, therefore giving Hoyle the option of walking away, why not go with that if he cant wait to pass on the baton? You make a valid point about the best period in 60 years, but in the interest of balance, how far down the scale would the last 12 months have been? I've been a ST holder for 25 years and this is as disjointed as I have seen the club. There is no coincidence that more and more people are disinterested with the whole thing. The mention of Hoyle's relationship with KSDL etc is an interesting one, it makes no sense why a new owner would want to inherit those relationships, they've been less than beneficial (that's me being polite) to the football club. Get rid of the link, initiate your own contact with the stadium stakeholders and do a better job of it. Empty promises are the Hoyle Legacy instead of the premier league years, this is sad more than anything else. Best period in 60-odd years? I'll take your promotion to the top division, staying up, Aaron Mooy, plus one season in nine either being relegated or contemplating it and I'll raise you promotion to the top division plus several top six finishes in the second division, one brief relegation worry sorted before Christmas, a few now longed-for mid-table finishes and Frank Worthington. No argument with 50-odd years. #hyperboleatthemac |
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Post by H6dds on Mar 22, 2023 11:25:36 GMT 1
if the Americans were here looking round I dont get how that means what htafc35 said is untrue. just because they've had a look round doesnt mean they have a bid on the table or would be interested if we weren't a championship club. let me guess, they were just here on a weekend trip to watch some amazing football? |
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Post by Matt1908 on Mar 22, 2023 11:27:07 GMT 1
With the other option on the table presumably for full control, therefore giving Hoyle the option of walking away, why not go with that if he cant wait to pass on the baton? You make a valid point about the best period in 60 years, but in the interest of balance, how far down the scale would the last 12 months have been? I've been a ST holder for 25 years and this is as disjointed as I have seen the club. There is no coincidence that more and more people are disinterested with the whole thing. The mention of Hoyle's relationship with KSDL etc is an interesting one, it makes no sense why a new owner would want to inherit those relationships, they've been less than beneficial (that's me being polite) to the football club. Get rid of the link, initiate your own contact with the stadium stakeholders and do a better job of it. Empty promises are the Hoyle Legacy instead of the premier league years, this is sad more than anything else. Best period in 60-odd years? I'll take your promotion to the top division, staying up, Aaron Mooy, plus one season in nine either being relegated or contemplating it and I'll raise you promotion to the top division plus several top six finishes in the second division, one brief relegation worry sorted before Christmas, a few now longed-for mid-table finishes and Frank Worthington. No argument with 50-odd years. #hyperboleatthemac Before my time so I'll take your word on that! I still stand by the fact this is the most disjointed I have ever seen the club, the biggest disconnect between players, board and fans I have seen. Yes we have had worse seasons, yes we have had worse teams but the whole cocktail of horse shit just stinks at the moment, more so than I can ever remember. |
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Post by boooothy on Mar 22, 2023 11:32:00 GMT 1
Little update after reading a few comments. Administration This was a real possibility if a PURE Admins would not agree a deal, deal agreed last week and now Admin is not on the agenda as DH has full control and the ability to sell the club now. lack of official news Nothing can officially be said I agree its poor for the fans and frustrating but it’s not possible to make a statement until everything is signed and sealed. Transfer embargo due to late figures. Nothing in this at all figures should be sent in very soon and embargo will be lifted just the same for a handful of clubs in the championship. North American or Dutch There was not even really a choice as only the Dutch have come up with a deal, North Americans only wanted a championship club and although we might still be one they will not make a deal now. Dutch bid details I have very little I can say about the financial parts of the deal, however they come across very professional with many connections across the world with agents, sports groups, and scouting i would expect some interesting unheard of signings, they are also are running a very successful club in AZ and its working very well for them, i heard no suggestion of HTAFC Being a feeder / B Club more they have had success in Holland and want the same in England. We would have an identity and style with a focus on youth development. This deal works as both a Championship and L1 club which is the only way something can be agreed now. Dean Hoyle Although it does look like Dean will need to stay involved, is this really a bad thing in order to have a transition to the new owners. If Dean is healthy again and has the drive back with new investment from the Dutch this could be a good thing, I am led to believe DH would only have a background role in the club and for a limited time until the Dutch are approved. Looks very much like DB will continue also at the club. We will have a new manager, new head of Football, new scouting network. Reading Points deduction I believe the 6 will happen soon, and the arguments are actually regarding if more deductions will be added this season or not with at least another 6 points on the cards, Reading are trying to fight / delay the new points deductions. I think we all want the best for HTAFC and most importantly we want all the mess to be over and very soon it should all be a lot more clear. I’m sure you’ll get further abuse for this post but i appreciate your take on things 👍🏾 |
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Post by Mastercracker on Mar 22, 2023 11:32:17 GMT 1
if the Americans were here looking round I dont get how that means what htafc35 said is untrue. just because they've had a look round doesnt mean they have a bid on the table or would be interested if we weren't a championship club. let me guess, they were just here on a weekend trip to watch some amazing football? Big tourism hot spot is Huddersfield, probs just came to look at Castle Hill and go on a guided stadium tour of the 1995 Building of the Year. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 22, 2023 11:33:06 GMT 1
No youre right of course. Im going to show everyone how much I care about the club by spending the day having a tantrum because something I know nothing about might happen instead of something else I know nothing about. I remember you being as vociferous in your opinions of other posters at the beginning of the season when the majority of us could see what a shitstorm this season was going to be whilst you stood there claiming Rudoni was going to be as good as if not better than O Brien. Each and every time you try and claim we are all moaning about nothing you are proven wrong. Rudoni will in time! Still sticking to that one. I dont remember anyone predicting a relegation fight at the beginning of this season ( accepting some people do automatically every year ) , though yeah people couldn't see us managing anything like last seasons finish. I thought we'd contend for the play offs.. yeah got that very wrong this time. On paper the player dealing we did hadnt looked too bad at all to me. Every time anything happens its a meltdown though. Hows Schofield doing as our keeper since he got back from Hibs? Hows administration going ? This ones a corker though as people are having a full blown tantrum about things they obviously have no information about at all. Its like " somethings happening!... lets have a meltdown about it!!" Even by DATM standards the melodrama has gone off the scale! Do you not think it makes more sense to actually see what something is before kicking off about it? |
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Post by Sparrow on Mar 22, 2023 11:34:39 GMT 1
As a few others have said, I don't think we need to look too deeply into the fact DH is staying on.
It is very likely that he is staying on so that the deal can happen quickly and then allow time for the Dutch to gain the relevant FCA approvals, which can take up to 6 months, as well as pass the EFL Fit & Proper test, which also seems to take quite a while.
So in all honest, I really don't think there is anything for anyone to be concerned about with DH staying on. I would imagine that once the Dutch have received all the relevant FCA Approvals and passed the fit & proper test, we'll likely see DH fully step aside. I'm pretty certain that's what he will want.
If back in October when Dave Baldwin did his interview, someone would have told me that we were going to get taken over by a Dutch Consortium that owned AZ Alkmaar or any other relatively successful Dutch side, I would have been pretty excited.
If this does indeed happen, I think this has all the makings of a fantastic new era for the club.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 22, 2023 11:37:04 GMT 1
if the Americans were here looking round I dont get how that means what htafc35 said is untrue. just because they've had a look round doesnt mean they have a bid on the table or would be interested if we weren't a championship club. let me guess, they were just here on a weekend trip to watch some amazing football? Id imagine they were looking at a football club they are potentially interested in buying. But thats not the same as putting in a bid or still wanting to buy it if it gets relegated... which was what Htafc35 pointed out. |
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Post by Big Ern on Mar 22, 2023 11:37:16 GMT 1
I remember you being as vociferous in your opinions of other posters at the beginning of the season when the majority of us could see what a shitstorm this season was going to be whilst you stood there claiming Rudoni was going to be as good as if not better than O Brien. Each and every time you try and claim we are all moaning about nothing you are proven wrong. Rudoni will in time! Still sticking to that one. I dont remember anyone predicting a relegation fight at the beginning of this season ( accepting some people do automatically every year ) , though yeah people couldn't see us managing anything like last seasons finish. I thought we'd contend for the play offs.. yeah got that very wrong this time. On paper the player dealing we did hadnt looked too bad at all to me. Every time anything happens its a meltdown though. Hows Schofield doing as our keeper since he got back from Hibs? Hows administration going ? This ones a corker though as people are having a full blown tantrum about things they obviously have no information about at all. Its like " somethings happening!... lets have a meltdown about it!!" Even by DATM standards the melodrama has gone off the scale! Do you not think it makes more sense to actually see what something is before kicking off about it? Maybe the issue here is that actually we have been given too much information. Billionaire Americans wanting to invest in the side, club and infrastructure against the Dutch who seemingly want us to run at a budget which is frightening given we must already have one of the smallest wage bills in the league. I have no reason to doubt those I'm the know posters who have claimed this is true but there wouldn't be the 'meltdown' if we didn't know. Now I do know of course I'm going to be concerned given what we have been told. What fan wouldn't?? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 22, 2023 11:42:27 GMT 1
Little update after reading a few comments. Administration This was a real possibility if a PURE Admins would not agree a deal, deal agreed last week and now Admin is not on the agenda as DH has full control and the ability to sell the club now. lack of official news Nothing can officially be said I agree its poor for the fans and frustrating but it’s not possible to make a statement until everything is signed and sealed. Transfer embargo due to late figures. Nothing in this at all figures should be sent in very soon and embargo will be lifted just the same for a handful of clubs in the championship. North American or Dutch There was not even really a choice as only the Dutch have come up with a deal, North Americans only wanted a championship club and although we might still be one they will not make a deal now. Dutch bid details I have very little I can say about the financial parts of the deal, however they come across very professional with many connections across the world with agents, sports groups, and scouting i would expect some interesting unheard of signings, they are also are running a very successful club in AZ and its working very well for them, i heard no suggestion of HTAFC Being a feeder / B Club more they have had success in Holland and want the same in England. We would have an identity and style with a focus on youth development. This deal works as both a Championship and L1 club which is the only way something can be agreed now. Dean Hoyle Although it does look like Dean will need to stay involved, is this really a bad thing in order to have a transition to the new owners. If Dean is healthy again and has the drive back with new investment from the Dutch this could be a good thing, I am led to believe DH would only have a background role in the club and for a limited time until the Dutch are approved. Looks very much like DB will continue also at the club. We will have a new manager, new head of Football, new scouting network. Reading Points deduction I believe the 6 will happen soon, and the arguments are actually regarding if more deductions will be added this season or not with at least another 6 points on the cards, Reading are trying to fight / delay the new points deductions. I think we all want the best for HTAFC and most importantly we want all the mess to be over and very soon it should all be a lot more clear. It's a miraculous recovery! And no, Dean being involved is not good for this club. We need a clean break. He has built the foundations of this utter mess of a club. Let me guess, some of the Board and staff remain unchanged too? Dreadful spin you're trying to put on this. Sadly, most will buy it. Sorry but thats rubbish. The irony being, its the foundations hes built that are the reason the club can attract buyers like the people who own AZ and US billionaires! |
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Post by dugnet on Mar 22, 2023 11:42:29 GMT 1
I don't see anyone comparing anyone to a vile paedophile other than you. If you think that's appropriate or remotely funny then that's your perogative I guess. I would however point out the irony of your defence. I know you enjoy the cut and thrust on here but surely you could have made your point in a better way? I havent compared anyone to a vile paedophile. Ive jokingly likened the absurd histrionics on here to what it would be like if you dropped a vile paedophile into a kids ball pit. Humour is subjective so you may not find it funny, but it does help if you read it properly. Captain I don't need to be patronised as you are fully aware of the point I was making. You stand your corner well, albeit I am not always sure if you actually are behind everything you say i.e. you appear to enjoy an argument. There are however times, in your desire to deride and chastise others views, your rhetoric travels from the provocation to the unacceptable. This, in my opinion, was such an occasion. |
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Post by dezzly on Mar 22, 2023 11:44:43 GMT 1
Rudoni will in time! Still sticking to that one. I dont remember anyone predicting a relegation fight at the beginning of this season ( accepting some people do automatically every year ) , though yeah people couldn't see us managing anything like last seasons finish. I thought we'd contend for the play offs.. yeah got that very wrong this time. On paper the player dealing we did hadnt looked too bad at all to me. Every time anything happens its a meltdown though. Hows Schofield doing as our keeper since he got back from Hibs? Hows administration going ? This ones a corker though as people are having a full blown tantrum about things they obviously have no information about at all. Its like " somethings happening!... lets have a meltdown about it!!" Even by DATM standards the melodrama has gone off the scale! Do you not think it makes more sense to actually see what something is before kicking off about it? Maybe the issue here is that actually we have been given too much information. Billionaire Americans wanting to invest in the side, club and infrastructure against the Dutch who seemingly want us to run at a budget which is frightening given we must already have one of the smallest wage bills in the league. I have no reason to doubt those I'm the know posters who have claimed this is true but there wouldn't be the 'meltdown' if we didn't know. Now I do know of course I'm going to be concerned given what we have been told. What fan wouldn't?? Exactly this.it’s the fact that given the options one looks entirely more ambitious for the football club than the other. If there were two options that were similar there would probably be that excitement. I won’t say the Dutch will fail or that it won’t be successful it just seems less likely to me given the other option.certainly in the short term. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 11:46:27 GMT 1
Little update after reading a few comments. Administration This was a real possibility if a PURE Admins would not agree a deal, deal agreed last week and now Admin is not on the agenda as DH has full control and the ability to sell the club now. lack of official news Nothing can officially be said I agree its poor for the fans and frustrating but it’s not possible to make a statement until everything is signed and sealed. Transfer embargo due to late figures. Nothing in this at all figures should be sent in very soon and embargo will be lifted just the same for a handful of clubs in the championship. North American or Dutch There was not even really a choice as only the Dutch have come up with a deal, North Americans only wanted a championship club and although we might still be one they will not make a deal now. Dutch bid details I have very little I can say about the financial parts of the deal, however they come across very professional with many connections across the world with agents, sports groups, and scouting i would expect some interesting unheard of signings, they are also are running a very successful club in AZ and its working very well for them, i heard no suggestion of HTAFC Being a feeder / B Club more they have had success in Holland and want the same in England. We would have an identity and style with a focus on youth development. This deal works as both a Championship and L1 club which is the only way something can be agreed now. Dean Hoyle Although it does look like Dean will need to stay involved, is this really a bad thing in order to have a transition to the new owners. If Dean is healthy again and has the drive back with new investment from the Dutch this could be a good thing, I am led to believe DH would only have a background role in the club and for a limited time until the Dutch are approved. Looks very much like DB will continue also at the club. We will have a new manager, new head of Football, new scouting network. Reading Points deduction I believe the 6 will happen soon, and the arguments are actually regarding if more deductions will be added this season or not with at least another 6 points on the cards, Reading are trying to fight / delay the new points deductions. I think we all want the best for HTAFC and most importantly we want all the mess to be over and very soon it should all be a lot more clear. It's a miraculous recovery! And no, Dean being involved is not good for this club. We need a clean break. He has built the foundations of this utter mess of a club. Let me guess, some of the Board and staff remain unchanged too? Dreadful spin you're trying to put on this. Sadly, most will buy it. Doesnt matter if the new owners are from North America, Holland, Mars a clean break with DH having no involvement is just not possible at least not in the short term. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 22, 2023 11:47:58 GMT 1
Rudoni will in time! Still sticking to that one. I dont remember anyone predicting a relegation fight at the beginning of this season ( accepting some people do automatically every year ) , though yeah people couldn't see us managing anything like last seasons finish. I thought we'd contend for the play offs.. yeah got that very wrong this time. On paper the player dealing we did hadnt looked too bad at all to me. Every time anything happens its a meltdown though. Hows Schofield doing as our keeper since he got back from Hibs? Hows administration going ? This ones a corker though as people are having a full blown tantrum about things they obviously have no information about at all. Its like " somethings happening!... lets have a meltdown about it!!" Even by DATM standards the melodrama has gone off the scale! Do you not think it makes more sense to actually see what something is before kicking off about it? Maybe the issue here is that actually we have been given too much information. Billionaire Americans wanting to invest in the side, club and infrastructure against the Dutch who seemingly want us to run at a budget which is frightening given we must already have one of the smallest wage bills in the league. I have no reason to doubt those I'm the know posters who have claimed this is true but there wouldn't be the 'meltdown' if we didn't know. Now I do know of course I'm going to be concerned given what we have been told. What fan wouldn't?? We dont know anything. People hear rumours... rumours turn into 'facts' . Attention seeking posts of cryptic clues...wild guesses and assumptions. Its the age of the internet I suppose. 40 years ago the first we'd have heard of any of this would be the news the club had been sold in the Examiner!..and that would pretty much be all we ever heard about it. Now we have people who seem to think theyre involved in the actual negotiations letting us know 'whats going on'. |
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Post by Sio on Mar 22, 2023 11:48:13 GMT 1
It's a miraculous recovery! And no, Dean being involved is not good for this club. We need a clean break. He has built the foundations of this utter mess of a club. Let me guess, some of the Board and staff remain unchanged too? Dreadful spin you're trying to put on this. Sadly, most will buy it. Sorry but thats rubbish. The irony being, its the foundations hes built that are the reason the club can attract buyers like the people who own AZ and US billionaires! I'll rephrase. He's created the current mess we find ourselves in. And sorry, but no. This club SHOULD be attractive to people with silly money wanting to dabble in English football in the modern era of the game. We have fantastic potential and tick lots of boxes. I'd argue that we're lucky that prospective buyers can see through the shambles and see us for what we can be. |
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Post by Sio on Mar 22, 2023 11:49:24 GMT 1
It's a miraculous recovery! And no, Dean being involved is not good for this club. We need a clean break. He has built the foundations of this utter mess of a club. Let me guess, some of the Board and staff remain unchanged too? Dreadful spin you're trying to put on this. Sadly, most will buy it. Doesnt matter if the new owners are from North America, Holland, Mars a clean break with DH having no involvement is just not possible at least not in the short term. Why? |
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Post by dezzly on Mar 22, 2023 11:50:12 GMT 1
It's a miraculous recovery! And no, Dean being involved is not good for this club. We need a clean break. He has built the foundations of this utter mess of a club. Let me guess, some of the Board and staff remain unchanged too? Dreadful spin you're trying to put on this. Sadly, most will buy it. Doesnt matter if the new owners are from North America, Holland, Mars a clean break with DH having no involvement is just not possible at least not in the short term. In the short term as a transitional process nobody would have an issue with.especially given the approved person scenario.the concern is a repeat of what we have seen the last few years. Yes I know you will say if he had t still been there etc etc but also you can’t ignore that he picked Phil and made life difficult and did so for a reason.even if you ignore that bit though my first point stands |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 22, 2023 11:50:53 GMT 1
I havent compared anyone to a vile paedophile. Ive jokingly likened the absurd histrionics on here to what it would be like if you dropped a vile paedophile into a kids ball pit. Humour is subjective so you may not find it funny, but it does help if you read it properly. Captain I don't need to be patronised as you are fully aware of the point I was making. You stand your corner well, albeit I am not always sure if you actually are behind everything you say i.e. you appear to enjoy an argument. There are however times, in your desire to deride and chastise others views, your rhetoric travels from the provocation to the unacceptable. This, in my opinion, was such an occasion. Im fully aware the point you were making wasnt true though. I didnt compare anyone to a paedophile in any way... and never would! If youre going to cherry pick me out for criticism all the time, then at least do me the courtesy of reading what youre criticising properly. |
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Post by H6dds on Mar 22, 2023 11:51:16 GMT 1
let me guess, they were just here on a weekend trip to watch some amazing football? Id imagine they were looking at a football club they are potentially interested in buying. But thats not the same as putting in a bid or still wanting to buy it if it gets relegated... which was what Htafc35 pointed out. he said the deal with Americans wasn’t ever happening. |
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Post by 4 pts on Mar 22, 2023 11:52:18 GMT 1
Agree with that Captain, but looking at the transfers between both clubs, the Kamara deal is the only one that sticks out and is obviously being frowned upon by the EFL. I don't see that loop hole being allowed to continue in the future Its such an obvious attempt to get round FFP that its amazing they got away with it.. or maybe it isnt with the FA, the way they are. But I suppose my thought are the owners, be they dutch or American will put in what they can without falling foul of those rules. Otherwise whats the point of buying HTFC?... you'll never see a. return if you dont.The US billionaires, couldn't start signing players for enormous amounts even if they wanted to. They'd have to comply with FFP. The dutch probably have the systems to get round FFP better though, already owning a club and scouting network etc. And that has always been my view. Why buy a football club ? The majority of owners will always lose money, Alkmaar being one of the exceptions it seems, but will this guy be able to continue that trend into the Championship or League 1. It looks like he will have a massive task on his hands. With having to pay Deans asking price, his loans, possibly obtaining the stadium shares and its upkeep etc. I personally don't see the potential in us as a club unless you are willing to spend SOME money. Will he have other investors coming along at some point ? How will his scouting work around Brexit ? With me I look at Town with scepticism and always have a pessimistic outlook. If we go down I see us as a club that will muddle through and be happy to be mid table and without expectations. I don't see a lot of fans coming along for that ride. I hope I'm wrong....wE NeAd to leAf iT aNd WeIgHT aND C  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 11:52:46 GMT 1
let me guess, they were just here on a weekend trip to watch some amazing football? Id imagine they were looking at a football club they are potentially interested in buying. But thats not the same as putting in a bid or still wanting to buy it if it gets relegated... which was what Htafc35 pointed out. Nailed it. I was told North Americans plans were more about development of the land and site around the stadium, the plan for the team was a little disjointed. Dutch was all about the football planning even if with possible less financial backing. I would prefer Football matters are the most important part of any deal especially for us the fans, money does not buy success, having a good plan and identity is the best route to success IMHO . |
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Post by dezzly on Mar 22, 2023 11:53:03 GMT 1
Doesnt matter if the new owners are from North America, Holland, Mars a clean break with DH having no involvement is just not possible at least not in the short term. Why? Because it’s an efl requirement to have an approved person at the club,dean is the only one we have and it takes time for anyone new to obtain this status.so he does have to stay for that reason until sorted. It doesn’t mean he will necessarily have anything to do with running/funding etc That said it also doesn’t mean the need to accept a deal to keep his foot in the door after that. |
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Post by detox on Mar 22, 2023 11:54:42 GMT 1
I keep reading through this but am no clearer on what's actually going on. Until the club make an official announcement all the rest is just speculation or mischief. Some saying DH is staying is no surprise, he's got £35m invested..he'll want to look after that..he's not going to write any of it off so whoever does buy the club is going to be spaffing £35m of dead money to DH which could be going into the club for players etc. His legacy lives on...and on...
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 22, 2023 11:55:17 GMT 1
Sorry but thats rubbish. The irony being, its the foundations hes built that are the reason the club can attract buyers like the people who own AZ and US billionaires! I'll rephrase. He's created the current mess we find ourselves in. And sorry, but no. This club SHOULD be attractive to people with silly money wanting to dabble in English football in the modern era of the game. We have fantastic potential and tick lots of boxes. I'd argue that we're lucky that prospective buyers can see through the shambles and see us for what we can be. The shambles is a short term football thing. Were having a shit season. We might even go down. Lots of reasons for that.. some our fault, some just crappy luck. If youre going to blame Hoyle for the foundations of the club in negative way, then you need to consider what those foundations would be without him. I doubt very much we'd be attracting the same level of buyer...more likely to be another local businessman willing to take his turn. |
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Post by H6dds on Mar 22, 2023 11:56:46 GMT 1
Id imagine they were looking at a football club they are potentially interested in buying. But thats not the same as putting in a bid or still wanting to buy it if it gets relegated... which was what Htafc35 pointed out. Nailed it. North Americans plans were more about development of the land and site around the stadium, the plan for the team was a little disjointed not that is matters now as they would not make the deal happen. Dutch was all about the football planning even if with possible less financial backing. I would prefer Football matters are the most important part of any deal especially for us the fans, money does not buy success, having a good plan and identity is the best route to success IMHO . if you have billions and could buy any land in the world, why the hell would you buy the land around the John smiths stadium in Huddersfield if you had no big plan about the football club? |
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Post by Sio on Mar 22, 2023 11:57:23 GMT 1
I'll rephrase. He's created the current mess we find ourselves in. And sorry, but no. This club SHOULD be attractive to people with silly money wanting to dabble in English football in the modern era of the game. We have fantastic potential and tick lots of boxes. I'd argue that we're lucky that prospective buyers can see through the shambles and see us for what we can be. The shambles is a short term football thing. Were having a shit season. We might even go down. Lots of reasons for that.. some our fault, some just crappy luck. If youre going to blame Hoyle for the foundations of the club in negative way, then you need to consider what those foundations would be without him. I doubt very much we'd be attracting the same level of buyer...more likely to be another local businessman willing to take his turn. And the circle begins again... Let's leave this one here. |
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Post by dugnet on Mar 22, 2023 11:57:39 GMT 1
The problem we all, well most of us, have is that we have seen the club develop a position of relative strength only to see it wasted. As a result the natural disappointment and frustration has created cynicism and anger.
I make the point because if those looking to take us forward don't realise this bringing the fans back on side will be a tough job. Sure a winning team makes a difference (let's hope this change enables that) but there are some fractures between club and fans that need acknowledging and repairing.
There are three things that may happen in the coming months:
1 - People will give this a chance and see what happens
2 - People will stick with the club but be ready to be critical if there is no sign of significant improvement (this won't be a short window to win people over)
3 - Some will have already decided that they have had enough and find something else to do. That could be construed as a bit melodramatic, knee jerk if you like, but I think more maybe persuaded to this than is realised
Where we find ourselves if very disappointing. We are desperately looking for new owners when we had an opportunity to move the club forward, either through a structured plan, new investment or by sale. All those squandered opportunities are fresh in many minds. It is that mindset that is leading to the mistrust we see on this thread. Some may say it is a disproportionate reaction but in reality it must be expected.
Whoever is coming in needs to understand the environment they are entering and be appropriately prepared. You only get to make a first impression once. There are some significant elephants in our room that cannot be ignored. It will be fascinating to see how the transition is presented.
I will listen with an open mind and, as ever, hope for the best.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 11:57:45 GMT 1
Sorry but thats rubbish. The irony being, its the foundations hes built that are the reason the club can attract buyers like the people who own AZ and US billionaires! I'll rephrase. He's created the current mess we find ourselves in. And sorry, but no. This club SHOULD be attractive to people with silly money wanting to dabble in English football in the modern era of the game. We have fantastic potential and tick lots of boxes. I'd argue that we're lucky that prospective buyers can see through the shambles and see us for what we can be. does any real fan want this "This club SHOULD be attractive to people with silly money wanting to dabble in English football in the modern era of the game." someone to come in throw a load of money at his / her new toy and then get bored and leave the club in a massive mess, I think this is the route that the fanbase who joined about the same time as David Wagner did would want, but long term fans who have been through all this before I am sure would want sunstainabilty and a long term plan. |
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