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Post by Orinoco on Mar 21, 2023 18:25:06 GMT 1
Does that mean that under warnocks tactics, the ball will still be clogged up and down the field?!.
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Mar 21, 2023 18:26:23 GMT 1
Can't be that bad. Everyone was happy with the Dutchies a few days ago?
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Post by Teddington Ted on Mar 21, 2023 18:26:43 GMT 1
It’s a bit like me offering to build my mum an extension, making a pigs ear of it then claiming to be a saviour for renting some scaffold to stop it falling down completely.
‘If it wasn’t for me paying those fees the whole place would tumble down, now build a statue of me you entitled plebs!’
We seem to be trapped in an abusive relationship with Mr Hoyle. He exercises coercive control and we just can’t break free. It will eventually destroy both parties. A Greek Tragedy played out in slow time. Fucking farcical.
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Post by boooothy on Mar 21, 2023 18:29:30 GMT 1
Are you seriously saying DH is taking money out of the club, its completly the other way around DH is putting money into the club on a daily basis and will not get anything like what he has put in back whoever the investor / new owner. He's having to put money in because of his own fucking mistakes. What planet are you living on? He’s doesn’t have to |
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Post by H6dds on Mar 21, 2023 18:30:07 GMT 1
So we're all in a flap because we might be taken over by a group/person that has a track record of running a football club really successfully as apposed to a group with deeper pockets who have never been involved in football before? Seems a little OTT to me but hey ho. No, that part is just a little frustrating. The part that is putting us over the edge is that it sounds as dean will still be part of it, basically we are just back in 2019 again... just wait for dean to take all the nicholls and thomas money and the dutch owners to sign richard keogh to stabilise us as a mid table league one club next year |
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Post by leroy212 on Mar 21, 2023 18:30:27 GMT 1
Think people are angry with it been implied that dean will still own part of the club. Not the Dutch themselves
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Post by 4 pts on Mar 21, 2023 18:31:34 GMT 1
It's not a case of ruling them out, it's having that absolute leach bleeding the club for his own mistakes that seems to be the concern. That's the reason I won't be renewing. If we have a clean break and a fresh start I'll be getting on board, if he's still here taking money out of the club I'd rather not put another penny in. Are you seriously saying DH is taking money out of the club, its completly the other way around DH is putting money into the club on a daily basis and will not get anything like what he has put in back whoever the investor / new owner. Fair play if you have insider knowledge regarding deals and players etc but Dean sold the club to a man whilst keeping hold of 25%, knowing full well that it may end badly. I'm not grateful to him for having to put more back in. His mistake, boo f**king hoo. As Ricky Gervais said at the Golden Globes "you did it, I didn't" The spin regarding Dean Hoyle.....FML indeed |
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Post by Orinoco on Mar 21, 2023 18:32:53 GMT 1
Think people are angry with it been implied that dean will still own part of the club. Not the Dutch themselves It's what dreams are EDAM off (anag!). |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 21, 2023 18:33:09 GMT 1
So we're all in a flap because we might be taken over by a group/person that has a track record of running a football club really successfully as apposed to a group with deeper pockets who have never been involved in football before? Seems a little OTT to me but hey ho. Thats basically it, although im not sure 'in a flap' does it justice. Its like someones dropped Jimmy Savile into the ball pit at a Wacky Warehouse! |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Mar 21, 2023 18:34:44 GMT 1
Why have this group not bought the club, as a whole from the get go ? like other clubs get bought completely. This is making me think this isn't a sale at all, jsut Dean trying to be cliever like he did with Phil.
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Post by Orinoco on Mar 21, 2023 18:35:51 GMT 1
So we're all in a flap because we might be taken over by a group/person that has a track record of running a football club really successfully as apposed to a group with deeper pockets who have never been involved in football before? Seems a little OTT to me but hey ho. Thats basically it, although im not sure 'in a flap' does it justice. Its like someones dropped Jimmy Savile into the ball pit at a Wacky Warehouse! Last paragraph😂😂👍👍 |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 21, 2023 18:37:16 GMT 1
Think people are angry with it been implied that dean will still own part of the club. Not the Dutch themselves If thats the case, then Id presume its because the process requires it, not because he wants to. Id have thought he must be desperate to get rid. The new owners passing the required FA tests etc can take a while... that might be a consideration that causes it. the new owners might have insisted on it for a time. Im sure when its announced a reason will be given....again if theres any truth in that rumour. |
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Post by Sio on Mar 21, 2023 18:39:37 GMT 1
Think people are angry with it been implied that dean will still own part of the club. Not the Dutch themselves If thats the case, then Id presume its because the process requires it, not because he wants to. Id have thought he must be desperate to get rid. The new owners passing the required FA tests etc can take a while... that might be a consideration that causes it. the new owners might have insisted on it for a time. Im sure when its announced a reason will be given....again if theres any truth in that rumour. Are you ever going to wake up to Hoyle's antics? |
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Post by dugnet on Mar 21, 2023 18:39:59 GMT 1
My gut feeling is that we need a completely fresh outlook, and we might get that ultimately.
Unfortunately we are in a proper mess as a result of very poor choices. Choices which the fans have had no influence over.
Irrespective of the deal and outcome someone in charge needs to start considering the fans. Communication has been on a "need to know basis" at best, and the general impression you are left with is that we, the fans, don't need to know/don't matter.
You only need to look at this forum and other social media to see how disappointed/frustrated/angry/cynical people have become. I know there are those who dismiss this as petulance/disproportionate/ungrateful but whatever your take it is definitely a culture that has been allowed to develop.
I feel utterly taken for granted and disregarded. That said I will wait to see and listen to what is said. The tone will be important as will the detail.
At some point we will be treated as a valuable asset of this football club. I just hope that is sooner rather than later.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Mar 21, 2023 18:40:43 GMT 1
Hoylebot PR machine is out in force tonight  |
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Post by dugnet on Mar 21, 2023 18:40:54 GMT 1
So we're all in a flap because we might be taken over by a group/person that has a track record of running a football club really successfully as apposed to a group with deeper pockets who have never been involved in football before? Seems a little OTT to me but hey ho. Thats basically it, although im not sure 'in a flap' does it justice. Its like someones dropped Jimmy Savile into the ball pit at a Wacky Warehouse! Hardly an appropriate remark. You're better than that. |
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Post by H6dds on Mar 21, 2023 18:41:01 GMT 1
Think people are angry with it been implied that dean will still own part of the club. Not the Dutch themselves If thats the case, then Id presume its because the process requires it, not because he wants to. Id have thought he must be desperate to get rid. The new owners passing the required FA tests etc can take a while... that might be a consideration that causes it. the new owners might have insisted on it for a time. Im sure when its announced a reason will be given....again if theres any truth in that rumour. Yeah, a bit like last time eh? |
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Post by Orinoco on Mar 21, 2023 18:41:08 GMT 1
The Dutch may invest heavily in CANALside?, few windmills to generate electricity amongst the players?.
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Post by H6dds on Mar 21, 2023 18:42:19 GMT 1
The Dutch may invest heavily in CANALside?, few windmills to generate electricity amongst the players?. Yep, Hudlin might finally come to use |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 21, 2023 18:42:38 GMT 1
Hoylebot PR machine is out in force tonight The usual suspects are circling the wagons 😁 |
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Post by dugnet on Mar 21, 2023 18:42:57 GMT 1
The Dutch may invest heavily in CANALside?, few windmills to generate electricity amongst the players?. Or it might all fall a bit flat. |
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Post by boooothy on Mar 21, 2023 18:43:08 GMT 1
There appears to be only 2 posters in this conversation who know the slightest thing about what’s going on. One is a big fan of Hoyle and says he’s taken the right option, one obviously doesn’t like Hoyle and thinks he’s making yet another mistake.
Poster 2 has money in the bank with DATM and also holds the same opinion as most on here but i’d take it all with a pinch of salt until someone with zero bias can explain what the feck is going on.
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Post by boooothy on Mar 21, 2023 18:44:55 GMT 1
Think people are angry with it been implied that dean will still own part of the club. Not the Dutch themselves If thats the case, then Id presume its because the process requires it, not because he wants to. Id have thought he must be desperate to get rid. The new owners passing the required FA tests etc can take a while... that might be a consideration that causes it. the new owners might have insisted on it for a time. Im sure when its announced a reason will be given....again if theres any truth in that rumour. This is not the place for sensible suggestions |
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Post by Orinoco on Mar 21, 2023 18:44:57 GMT 1
The Dutch may invest heavily in CANALside?, few windmills to generate electricity amongst the players?. Or it might all fall a bit flat. Invest in the local red light area that is close by!! |
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Post by sheps on Mar 21, 2023 18:49:16 GMT 1
This is going to be a long night of Love Island style drama,
And i cant wait...
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Mar 21, 2023 18:50:08 GMT 1
I'm not even going to pretend to know what's going on, nor to understand what the US Consortium would have brought. HOWEVER, if it's its the dutch takeover, and DH is still involved. Then that is possibly the most deflating thing that could have happened.
The definition of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is insanity.
I follow Maynards post on this board, not only because of ITK, but because of the honesty, the transparency in most parts. So, to hear them/he/her/they/astronaut etc provide thoughts on direction with more info than any of us and seeing reaction. Worries me.
This all screams narcisstic, ego driven and greed. I am not, and will not buy into any of the savior bollocks.
This was the perfect opportunity to have a clean slate, a fresh break and new lease of life. But, I can't help but feel it's the same cycle on repeat.
It's demoralizing, it's sucker punching. It's grotesque.
I'm not buying the take over takes time, there's still shares to sort out, land/stadium issues to sort out. it's been years upon years we've been fed the same BS. We still have the same issues with all that for the last 5-10 years. Now most are still not naive to believe it. Most have taken off the tinted glasses and seeing it for what it is.
A US Consortium, that's got a real estate background. Do we really think they'd still be having "issues" with the land/ownership etc?
We all know money etc doesn't guarantee success, we can lay claim on all the failed attempts. But, it's also created a lot more hope, progress and success than it's failed. We don't feel hope, we don't see progress, and we're certainly not chasing success.
I for one don't blame anyone voting with their feet and their hard earned money on not renewing their season ticket. I feel we will continue down our path to mediocrity, and will repeat this cycle in another 5 years. When the model hasn't worked AGAIN.
I was reading Bens post yday I think it was. and it was nail on the head. It's about time we stop accepting lies, and BS as fans, and as a club. Start getting aggressive about what we want to achieve as a club.
Stop thinking peanuts, start thinking caviar.
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Post by rockwall on Mar 21, 2023 18:51:19 GMT 1
This is going to be a long night of Love Island style drama, And i cant wait... Can we have a coupling around the firepit? Would love to see Maynard revealed and end up with Slapps. |
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Post by Sio on Mar 21, 2023 18:51:38 GMT 1
I'm not even going to pretend to know what's going on, nor to understand what the US Consortium would have brought. HOWEVER, if it's its the dutch takeover, and DH is still involved. Then that is possibly the most deflating thing that could have happened. The definition of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is insanity. I follow Maynards post on this board, not only because of ITK, but because of the honesty, the transparency in most parts. So, to hear them/he/her/they/astronaut etc provide thoughts on direction with more info than any of us and seeing reaction. Worries me. This all screams narcisstic, ego driven and greed. I am not, and will not buy into any of the savior bollocks. This was the perfect opportunity to have a clean slate, a fresh break and new lease of life. But, I can't help but feel it's the same cycle on repeat. It's demoralizing, it's sucker punching. It's grotesque. I'm not buying the take over takes time, there's still shares to sort out, land/stadium issues to sort out. it's been years upon years we've been fed the same BS. We still have the same issues with all that for the last 5-10 years. Now most are still not naive to believe it. Most have taken off the tinted glasses and seeing it for what it is. A US Consortium, that's got a real estate background. Do we really think they'd still be having "issues" with the land/ownership etc? We all know money etc doesn't guarantee success, we can lay claim on all the failed attempts. But, it's also created a lot more hope, progress and success than it's failed. We don't feel hope, we don't see progress, and we're certainly not chasing success. I for one don't blame anyone voting with their feet and their hard earned money on not renewing their season ticket. I feel we will continue down our path to mediocrity, and will repeat this cycle in another 5 years. When the model hasn't worked AGAIN. I was reading Bens post yday I think it was. and it was nail on the head. It's about time we stop accepting lies, and BS as fans, and as a club. Start getting aggressive about what we want to achieve as a club. Stop thinking peanuts, start thinking caviar. Absolutely spot on. |
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Post by NumeroUno on Mar 21, 2023 18:54:33 GMT 1
There appears to be only 2 posters in this conversation who know the slightest thing about what’s going on. One is a big fan of Hoyle and says he’s taken the right option, one obviously doesn’t like Hoyle and thinks he’s making yet another mistake. Poster 2 has money in the bank with DATM and also holds the same opinion as most on here but i’d take it all with a pinch of salt until someone with zero bias can explain what the feck is going on. You're not going to get zero bias from anywhere, even if its on htafc.com What we do have is a poster who appears to be a friend of Hoyle (if not Hoyle himself), and a poster who has regularly proven to be in the know and who highlighted the two deals on the table days/weeks ago. The two deals appeared to show different approaches, one which appeared a fresh start and better for the club, and the other that would likely work better for Hoyle and protect his ego - it now appears that is the one he went with, to the surprise of literally nobody. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 21, 2023 18:55:50 GMT 1
I'm not even going to pretend to know what's going on, nor to understand what the US Consortium would have brought. HOWEVER, if it's its the dutch takeover, and DH is still involved. Then that is possibly the most deflating thing that could have happened. The definition of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is insanity. I follow Maynards post on this board, not only because of ITK, but because of the honesty, the transparency in most parts. So, to hear them/he/her/they/astronaut etc provide thoughts on direction with more info than any of us and seeing reaction. Worries me. This all screams narcisstic, ego driven and greed. I am not, and will not buy into any of the savior bollocks. This was the perfect opportunity to have a clean slate, a fresh break and new lease of life. But, I can't help but feel it's the same cycle on repeat. It's demoralizing, it's sucker punching. It's grotesque. I'm not buying the take over takes time, there's still shares to sort out, land/stadium issues to sort out. it's been years upon years we've been fed the same BS. We still have the same issues with all that for the last 5-10 years. Now most are still not naive to believe it. Most have taken off the tinted glasses and seeing it for what it is. A US Consortium, that's got a real estate background. Do we really think they'd still be having "issues" with the land/ownership etc? We all know money etc doesn't guarantee success, we can lay claim on all the failed attempts. But, it's also created a lot more hope, progress and success than it's failed. We don't feel hope, we don't see progress, and we're certainly not chasing success. I for one don't blame anyone voting with their feet and their hard earned money on not renewing their season ticket. I feel we will continue down our path to mediocrity, and will repeat this cycle in another 5 years. When the model hasn't worked AGAIN. I was reading Bens post yday I think it was. and it was nail on the head. It's about time we stop accepting lies, and BS as fans, and as a club. Start getting aggressive about what we want to achieve as a club. Stop thinking peanuts, start thinking caviar. I'm good up to the last sentence. I'll take a bag of KP over fish eggs, ta. |
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