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Post by Hazza on Mar 21, 2023 19:42:22 GMT 1
I’m fully aware who’s fault it was that 75per cent was held here, 25 per cent there, no ground, no training ground etc But….. had Hoyle not stepped in at that point how would even have completed our fixtures? You’ve seen how hard it’s been to unravel the sack of shit we’ve become, i can’t see a big queue we’re waiting to take over with zero notice.There is no "but". The grubby deal that Hoyle and Potless concocted was called out by plenty on here at the time. It all goes back to that. One man's greed and another man's ego, with a nice sprinkling of bullshit. The egotistical bullshitter has gone but it sounds very much like the greedy man just can't do what's right by the club, only his own pocket. Don’t underestimate the Greedy Man’s ego too. |
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Post by hoggy1975 on Mar 21, 2023 19:42:50 GMT 1
I think there is suggestion that the Dutch deal involves Hoyle staying around and continuing to take money out of the club. Not said in as many words but seems to be what our best sources are saying, unless I'm mistaken! I just don’t see it. He’s already put a load more money because he was trying to take more money out. Surely he just wants rid? Could be the case the dutch can't afford the full price of the club (loans owed to hoyle), so if they buy and pay over a set period of time until the fee is paid off? Hence Dean sticking around until paid. Or just that the deal will take time to go through with the EFL. Not saying it's true but just a thought. |
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Post by paulmat on Mar 21, 2023 19:46:33 GMT 1
But what is in it for the new owners if this deal only suits Hoyle? This isn't a PH situation where a fan is getting a chance to own the club he supports and may let his heart rule his head. This is a group who have run one club very succesfully who know football, and surely only benefit from this by making Huddersfield Town successful. They have gained a feeder club, which is exactly what they wanted. But the insuation is they will need to pay Hoyle more than the billionaire Americans were prepared to pay. If that's the case and they just want a feeder club why not by a lower table league one club on the cheap. Presumably they see potential in Huddersfield Town that makes it worth paying what Hoyle wants. In which case it is in their interests to make sure we're successful. There seems to be a load of contradictions in some of the arguments been made based on very little. |
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Post by Hazza on Mar 21, 2023 19:47:14 GMT 1
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Mar 21, 2023 19:47:28 GMT 1
Fuck me,, its like a drama queen convention!  You genuinely don't give a flying fuck about this club do you? |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Mar 21, 2023 19:48:50 GMT 1
They have gained a feeder club, which is exactly what they wanted. But the insuation is they will need to pay Hoyle more than the billionaire Americans were prepared to pay. If that's the case and they just want a feeder club why not by a lower table league one club on the cheap. Presumably they see potential in Huddersfield Town that makes it worth paying what Hoyle wants. In which case it is in their interests to make sure we're successful. There seems to be a load of contradictions in some of the arguments been made based on very little. 'A league one club on the cheap' Again, that's exactly what they've got. |
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Post by ambryboy on Mar 21, 2023 19:49:26 GMT 1
I wrote one word in my diary, it says… Bugger Unless some information comes out to contradict what we know about the US and Dutch potential buyers, how is Hoyle going to justify the decision without admitting it's for his own financial gain? He doesn't really have to justify anything though, he can just continue with radio silence. Don't forget it's Hoyle's train set to do what ever he wants with. |
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Post by paulmat on Mar 21, 2023 19:54:07 GMT 1
But the insuation is they will need to pay Hoyle more than the billionaire Americans were prepared to pay. If that's the case and they just want a feeder club why not by a lower table league one club on the cheap. Presumably they see potential in Huddersfield Town that makes it worth paying what Hoyle wants. In which case it is in their interests to make sure we're successful. There seems to be a load of contradictions in some of the arguments been made based on very little. 'A league one club on the cheap' Again, that's exactly what they've got. If they've got us on the cheap how is it benefitting Hoyle? This is where the argument falls down a bit. The best deal for Hoyle is where he gets most money no? |
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Post by H6dds on Mar 21, 2023 19:56:34 GMT 1
'A league one club on the cheap' Again, that's exactly what they've got. If they've got us on the cheap how is it benefitting Hoyle? This is where the argument falls down a bit. The best deal for Hoyle is where he gets most money no? Americans: "This club is worth one peanut, take it or leave it" Hoyle: "No I want my millions back" Dutch group: "We give you 5 peanuts, but will pay you one each year for 5 years" Hoyle: "Do you have any ambition" Dutch group: "No not really" Hoyle: "You have a deal" |
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Post by dirtyoldtown on Mar 21, 2023 19:57:02 GMT 1
The Eredivese is a terrible standard of football barring 3 clubs. I find the idea that we’d be a so called ‘feeder club’ to a team outside of those 3 clubs incredibly hard to believe.
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Post by wigster on Mar 21, 2023 19:57:27 GMT 1
I just don’t see it. He’s already put a load more money because he was trying to take more money out. Surely he just wants rid? Could be the case the dutch can't afford the full price of the club (loans owed to hoyle), so if they buy and pay over a set period of time until the fee is paid off? Hence Dean sticking around until paid. Or just that the deal will take time to go through with the EFL. Not saying it's true but just a thought. Goodness me, I hope you're wrong - we've already had one absolute catastrophe when Dean Hoyle chased and sold to someone who couldn't "afford the full price of the club". Surely even he has learnt from that - even he wouldn't repeat the same mistake, would he ? Mind you we had the Danny Schofield to Mark Fotheringham catastrophe ... |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Mar 21, 2023 19:59:58 GMT 1
IF this Dutch takeover/investment went ahead and IF Hoyle was going to stick around for a limited period only then they could clarify the situation with a simple statement.
That word communication again. IF it was fact that DH was going to hang around only until all the necessary legalities are finalised then that’d probably be just about acceptable to me.
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Post by townohiofan on Mar 21, 2023 20:00:24 GMT 1
"now the time has arrived where I must listen to medical advice and take a total step back; my health comes first and foremost." That's from Hoyle himself in October 2022. Holding on to a minority share is certainly not a total step back. I've been neutral between the 2 bids as information is not abundant for either bid but, if that ends up being the structure of the deal, Hoyle's statements will have proven to be a complete farce.
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 21, 2023 20:02:28 GMT 1
Unless some information comes out to contradict what we know about the US and Dutch potential buyers, how is Hoyle going to justify the decision without admitting it's for his own financial gain? He might get someone to create a thread on here breaking the news and attempt (and fail) to put a positive spin on it all? Surely not 😉🤣 |
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Post by bluestripe on Mar 21, 2023 20:03:10 GMT 1
The Eredivese is a terrible standard of football barring 3 clubs. I find the idea that we’d be a so called ‘feeder club’ to a team outside of those 3 clubs incredibly hard to believe. Presumably they will also have the reverse issue of work permits, albeit it would not be a problem for the likes of Camara and Diarra. Maybe they are investing just to get their hands on those two. You heard it here first. 🤪 |
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Post by Tez on Mar 21, 2023 20:03:23 GMT 1
Am I wrong in thinking that we have to announce if we are going into admin or not by this thursday 23rd March?
Or at least announce whatever the ‘deal’ is DH has concocted
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Post by terriersyndrome on Mar 21, 2023 20:03:29 GMT 1
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Post by turbo2 on Mar 21, 2023 20:03:37 GMT 1
Could be the case the dutch can't afford the full price of the club (loans owed to hoyle), so if they buy and pay over a set period of time until the fee is paid off? Hence Dean sticking around until paid. Or just that the deal will take time to go through with the EFL. Not saying it's true but just a thought. Goodness me, I hope you're wrong - we've already had one absolute catastrophe when Dean Hoyle chased and sold to someone who couldn't "afford the full price of the club". Surely even he has learnt from that - even he wouldn't repeat the same mistake, would he ? Mind you we had the Danny Schofield to Mark Fotheringham catastrophe ... There can’t be anyone stupid enough on the planet who is willing to repay DH his money no matter how long those terms are over. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Mar 21, 2023 20:04:55 GMT 1
'A league one club on the cheap' Again, that's exactly what they've got. If they've got us on the cheap how is it benefitting Hoyle? This is where the argument falls down a bit. The best deal for Hoyle is where he gets most money no? You've answered your own question. |
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Post by dirtyoldtown on Mar 21, 2023 20:09:51 GMT 1
The Eredivese is a terrible standard of football barring 3 clubs. I find the idea that we’d be a so called ‘feeder club’ to a team outside of those 3 clubs incredibly hard to believe. I know you’re only joking but the likes of Camara or Diarra will surely have their goals set a little bit higher than AZ. Especially at this stage of their careers. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Mar 21, 2023 20:10:09 GMT 1
I'm feeling a bit suspicious that people with access to privileged information are getting people riled up without being clear to people on what the information is.
If it's as worrying as is being made out, it's something the fans need to take action against. We can't do that without more information. People who have the information, as reputable as they may be, are simply not being transparent. I'm sure there are good reasons for that.
Are they good enough reasons for us to be kept in the dark on the wider situation and go off the drip feed alone?
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Post by Sio on Mar 21, 2023 20:11:34 GMT 1
I'm feeling a bit suspicious that people with access to privileged information are getting people riled up without being clear to people on what the information is. If it's as worrying as is being made out, it's something the fans need to take action against. We can't do that without more information. People who have the information, as reputable as they may be, are simply not being transparent. I'm sure there are good reasons for that. Are they good enough reasons for us to be kept in the dark on the wider situation and go off the drip feed alone? Seems to me that there is plenty of transparency in this thread from a number of reputable posters. It's just a case of believing it, or not. |
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 21, 2023 20:11:58 GMT 1
If thats the case, then Id presume its because the process requires it, not because he wants to. Id have thought he must be desperate to get rid. The new owners passing the required FA tests etc can take a while... that might be a consideration that causes it. the new owners might have insisted on it for a time. Im sure when its announced a reason will be given....again if theres any truth in that rumour. Are you ever going to wake up to Hoyle's antics? Presumably someone has to pass the fit and proper criteria be it the Dutch or the Yanks. That takes time, until it happens the takeover can't be properly completed. If it takes 6 months that would be September and the window will be shut. Would we be OK with Hoyle being "involved" in name only til the test was passed and the takeover fully completed then he can bugger off to his villa and count his brass 🤔 |
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Post by DuncShearer* on Mar 21, 2023 20:12:57 GMT 1
"now the time has arrived where I must listen to medical advice and take a total step back; my health comes first and foremost." That's from Hoyle himself in October 2022. Holding on to a minority share is certainly not a total step back. I've been neutral between the 2 bids as information is not abundant for either bid but, if that ends up being the structure of the deal, Hoyle's statements will have proven to be a complete farce. Dean Hoyle lying! never can't believe that blokes a paragon of virtue and transparent to a fault !!! |
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 21, 2023 20:17:37 GMT 1
Or it might all fall a bit flat. Invest in the local red light area that is close by!! Not if they see the ones that inhabit the area . I used to work near there, they'd have had to pay me 😖😖😖 |
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Post by rockwall on Mar 21, 2023 20:17:46 GMT 1
"now the time has arrived where I must listen to medical advice and take a total step back; my health comes first and foremost." That's from Hoyle himself in October 2022. Holding on to a minority share is certainly not a total step back. I've been neutral between the 2 bids as information is not abundant for either bid but, if that ends up being the structure of the deal, Hoyle's statements will have proven to be a complete farce. Dean Hoyle lying! never can't believe that blokes a paragon of virtue and transparent to a fault !!! We won't sleepwalk into relegation I will never want my money back Buy the tickets we buy the players I'm taking a total step back Add more lies where relevant. |
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Post by H6dds on Mar 21, 2023 20:17:52 GMT 1
Are you ever going to wake up to Hoyle's antics? Presumably someone has to pass the fit and proper criteria be it the Dutch or the Yanks. That takes time, until it happens the takeover can't be properly completed. If it takes 6 months that would be September and the window will be shut. Would we be OK with Hoyle being "involved" in name only til the test was passed and the takeover fully completed then he can bugger off to his villa and count his brass 🤔 I don't understand how this issue seems to only apply to Huddersfield Town AFC? Never heard of any other club having a the old owner sticking around for half a season after the sale of the club. |
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Post by sabailand on Mar 21, 2023 20:19:50 GMT 1
I'm feeling a bit suspicious that people with access to privileged information are getting people riled up without being clear to people on what the information is. If it's as worrying as is being made out, it's something the fans need to take action against. We can't do that without more information. People who have the information, as reputable as they may be, are simply not being transparent. I'm sure there are good reasons for that. Are they good enough reasons for us to be kept in the dark on the wider situation and go off the drip feed alone? Seems to me that there is plenty of transparency in this thread from a number of reputable posters. It's just a case of believing it, or not. If its owt like claims of going into admin last thursday it'll be utter bollocks. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Mar 21, 2023 20:20:26 GMT 1
Presumably someone has to pass the fit and proper criteria be it the Dutch or the Yanks. That takes time, until it happens the takeover can't be properly completed. If it takes 6 months that would be September and the window will be shut. Would we be OK with Hoyle being "involved" in name only til the test was passed and the takeover fully completed then he can bugger off to his villa and count his brass 🤔 He'll be around longer than that pal Why does he not just want to go away ? just give the club the reset it needs and fully leave? |
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