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Post by detox on May 11, 2023 12:40:02 GMT 1
The average amount of time the ball is in play during the game...down from 65 minutes...
Interesting discussion on Radio 5 this morning about it.. Who knew throw in's had only 6 seconds allowed ?...Despite this Everton in a recent game averaged 56 seconds for all their throw ins......
It's not just dead balls, line outs and feigning injury but the cost of watching a 90+ minutes game is enough already without only getting 54 minutes action...some games have as low as 43 minutes !!
So, what's to be done ?
Independent time keeper.. A large clock which is stopped as per Rugby league...more yellow cards..?
Was thinking maybe the ref should pull out a green card to denote the clock is stopped when players are faffing about..that way we can see the time is being added on...but on this basis, games are going to go on over 2 hours..is that a good thing, or a bad thing.
It's not just wasting time though is it, it's defusing a situation where the other time has built up a head of steam..and adding time on doesn't cure that...similarly the 'culprits' then go on and score in the 101st minute ?
what is the cure ?
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on May 11, 2023 12:48:35 GMT 1
The average amount of time the ball is in play during the game...down from 65 minutes...
Interesting discussion on Radio 5 this morning about it.. Who knew throw in's had only 6 seconds allowed ?...Despite this Everton in a recent game averaged 56 seconds for all their throw ins......
It's not just dead balls, line outs and feigning injury but the cost of watching a 90+ minutes game is enough already without only getting 54 minutes action...some games have as low as 43 minutes !!
So, what's to be done ?
Independent time keeper.. A large clock which is stopped as per Rugby league...more yellow cards..?
Was thinking maybe the ref should pull out a green card to denote the clock is stopped when players are faffing about..that way we can see the time is being added on...but on this basis, games are going to go on over 2 hours..is that a good thing, or a bad thing.
It's not just wasting time though is it, it's defusing a situation where the other time has built up a head of steam..and adding time on doesn't cure that...similarly the 'culprits' then go on and score in the 101st minute ?
what is the cure ?
Wow 54 minutes! I can’t remember the last time I watched a good free flowing game without numerous stoppages. I’d be in favour of the large clock , visible to everyone. But I don’t want any of these new rules to be put in place until after Lee Nicholls leaves Town!!!!
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Post by ruggedivy on May 11, 2023 12:52:30 GMT 1
Curious - is this with or without VAR?
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Post by detox on May 11, 2023 12:57:41 GMT 1
Curious - is this with or without VAR? They didn't mention VAR tbh, so assume without.
Goals delay was about 58 seconds..penalties over 2 minutes on average...
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 11, 2023 13:01:31 GMT 1
The game on Mon had 2 mins of added time in the second half.
It was a dead rubber, but still shouldn’t mean the Ref should just make it up due to the circumstances.
Time wasting, feigning injury in the middle of the pitch etc. is something they can quite easily sort out by doling out a yellow card early doors.
Unfortunately, cheating is an inherent part of the game nowadays, it’s become so ingrained the Refs just bend the rules as they see fit.
Until the powers that be realise that this is still a sporting contest as opposed to an entertainment offering, not much will be done.
If you got rid of all the cheats in football, they’d be asking us lot to bring our boots for a game…
Modern football, it’s more shite than it is good really…
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 13:20:27 GMT 1
With Lee Nichols in goal we can knock another couple of minutes off those times
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on May 11, 2023 13:25:28 GMT 1
Initially thought this was some kind of boast
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Post by Drew Peacock on May 11, 2023 13:31:30 GMT 1
All part of the fun though isn't it, personally love watching Nicholls arse about while the opposition fans are frothing at the mouth.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on May 11, 2023 13:33:10 GMT 1
With Lee Nichols in goal we can knock another couple of minutes off those times Never thought I’d enjoy time wasting as part of a game. Love watching Nicholls and noticing how quickly the Ref’s catch on to what he’s doing.
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Post by Drew Peacock on May 11, 2023 13:38:18 GMT 1
With Lee Nichols in goal we can knock another couple of minutes off those times Never thought I’d enjoy time wasting as part of a game. Love watching Nicholls and noticing how quickly the Ref’s catch on to what he’s doing. When 1-0 against Sheff Utd the ball went out for a goal kick and I swear I saw Nicholls tell the ball boy to throw the ball away from him.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on May 11, 2023 13:40:51 GMT 1
Never thought I’d enjoy time wasting as part of a game. Love watching Nicholls and noticing how quickly the Ref’s catch on to what he’s doing. When 1-0 against Sheff Utd the ball went out for a goal kick and I swear I saw Nicholls tell the ball boy to throw the ball away from him. My favourite was last season when he pretended to the away fans that he couldn’t find the ball.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on May 11, 2023 13:44:51 GMT 1
The first thing they should do is take time keeping away from the ref and give it to the 4th official or some other official person in the ground. Refs have enough going on without also needing to worry about remembering to stop their watch constantly
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on May 11, 2023 13:48:29 GMT 1
As for feigning an injury. Make it that if the trainer comes on to treat you, whether a proper injury or not, you can't come back on the field of play for 5 mins. Would hopefully stop this rolling around like they have been poleaxed, limping to the touch line then reappearing like Lazarus 20 seconds later. Plus it would get the medical staff a chance to treat a proper injury.
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 11, 2023 13:56:36 GMT 1
90 minutes of the ball in play is the least we should expect. Watching clocks that bear no resemblance to the time the game was actually in play is really annoying. Made up 'injury or extra time', is just that, made up. Allowing a corner after the alledged time is up, whats that about? Proper timekeeper, starting and stopping the clock when the ball is out of play is the way forward. Subs, injuries, time wasting is pointless for the time issue. Yellow cards for wilfully stopping the flow of the game continues even with a timekeeper.? Its a double penalty. All the arseing about at penalties or var incidents, just stop the clock if the ball is not in play. I believe we may see a few longer games to start with till the 'professionals' got to grips with earning their money over 90 minutes but it would soom pass.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on May 11, 2023 13:57:16 GMT 1
As for feigning an injury. Make it that if the trainer comes on to treat you, whether a proper injury or not, you can't come back on the field of play for 5 mins. Would hopefully stop this rolling around like they have been poleaxed, limping to the touch line then reappearing like Lazarus 20 seconds later. Plus it would get the medical staff a chance to treat a proper injury. I like this suggestion. I’d give this job to the 4th official. It’s become something that I absolutely hate to see - a player rolling around like he’s just seen his latest heating bill and then when he realises that play hasn’t stopped, gets up and immediately runs around with no injury whatsoever.
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Post by twyford on May 11, 2023 15:01:00 GMT 1
The game on Mon had 2 mins of added time in the second half. It was a dead rubber, but still shouldn’t mean the Ref should just make it up due to the circumstances. Time wasting, feigning injury in the middle of the pitch etc. is something they can quite easily sort out by doling out a yellow card early doors. Unfortunately, cheating is an inherent part of the game nowadays, it’s become so ingrained the Refs just bend the rules as they see fit. Until the powers that be realise that this is still a sporting contest as opposed to an entertainment offering, not much will be done. If you got rid of all the cheats in football, they’d be asking us lot to bring our boots for a game… Modern football, it’s more shite than it is good really… They call it 'game management' in an attempt to legitimise it.
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Post by Mastercracker on May 11, 2023 15:02:35 GMT 1
The game on Mon had 2 mins of added time in the second half. It was a dead rubber, but still shouldn’t mean the Ref should just make it up due to the circumstances. Time wasting, feigning injury in the middle of the pitch etc. is something they can quite easily sort out by doling out a yellow card early doors. Unfortunately, cheating is an inherent part of the game nowadays, it’s become so ingrained the Refs just bend the rules as they see fit. Until the powers that be realise that this is still a sporting contest as opposed to an entertainment offering, not much will be done. If you got rid of all the cheats in football, they’d be asking us lot to bring our boots for a game… Modern football, it’s more shite than it is good really… They call it 'game management' in an attempt to legitimise it. They call it game management when a good team/bigger club does it and they call it cheating when the smaller club/worse team does it. Narratives.
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Post by detox on May 11, 2023 15:10:49 GMT 1
It's certainly a topic on which I can be wholly hypocritical...because yes, Nicholls killing time when we're seeing out a game is good to see...and I justify those thoughts as it is exactly what our opponents do to us..so fair's fair huh ? Same as when Town took the ball into the corner in the dying minutes against Sheffield Utd..not strictly time wasting but bloody annoying when someone does that to us.
So the rule must be, if you can't beat them, join them..
Which, from the stats we're now given, is what everybody seems to do now...so where does it end..and do we only care when it's done to us..?
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Post by detox on May 11, 2023 15:12:29 GMT 1
Initially thought this was some kind of boast why ?..is that not 'normal' ....
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Post by Tinpot on May 11, 2023 15:16:35 GMT 1
Were these figures a comparison of before and after Lee Nicholls' return from injury?
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Post by araucaria on May 11, 2023 15:26:59 GMT 1
I read that at one stage of the season, not long ago, the ball had been in play at the Etihad for 22 minutes longer than at Rotherham, and the latter had played five more home games than City.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 11, 2023 15:38:17 GMT 1
Initially thought this was some kind of boast :) It said minutes, not seconds…
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 11, 2023 16:04:49 GMT 1
90 minutes of the ball in play is the least we should expect. No thanks. I ain’t spending 3 hours at a game.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on May 11, 2023 16:20:03 GMT 1
Initially thought this was some kind of boast why ?..is that not 'normal' .... efficiency .
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 11, 2023 16:26:23 GMT 1
90 minutes of the ball in play is the least we should expect. No thanks. I ain’t spending 3 hours at a game. Wont happen, the last thing players and managers will want to do is actually play for a second more than 90 minutes.😉
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Post by terryya on May 11, 2023 16:34:46 GMT 1
I think the answer is fairly simple. 60 minute games with the clock stopped whenever the ball is not in play.
Everyone plays the same amount of time. Time wasting becomes a waste of time. No guessing about the whims of the referees.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 11, 2023 17:04:52 GMT 1
I think the answer is fairly simple. 60 minute games with the clock stopped whenever the ball is not in play. Everyone plays the same amount of time. Time wasting becomes a waste of time. No guessing about the whims of the referees. You’ve just described the NFL
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Post by htfc63 on May 11, 2023 17:22:09 GMT 1
The thing that really annoys me now is players feigning head injuries as they know the game will be stopped. Anyone found doing so should be sin binned for 10 minutes and if repeated sent off. This always seems to happen when teams are under pressure and want to re set. I feel sorry for referees in that it’s difficult to see cheating on injuries but it will only stop if the officials come down hard on those found to be wasting time.
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on May 11, 2023 17:40:29 GMT 1
Initially thought this was some kind of boast It said minutes, not seconds…
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on May 11, 2023 17:47:41 GMT 1
I mentioned similar in an early thread about feigning injury. If it's a head injury then 5 minutes off the pitch will give the medical team time to complete the concussion protocols while the game can carry's on.
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