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Post by Sio on May 15, 2023 12:30:34 GMT 1
The North Stand though is a problem, with no apparent solution after 20+ years of the JSS. I know the plan was that the seats could be dismantled and used as a stage for concerts etc but that seems to have died a death in recent years. Other than this a year ago, And presumably Muse and Royal Blood will be doing similar in a few weeks time!? I've never understood why we need to have a removable stand for these events to happen though. I mean how many other UK based stadiums dismantle part of their ground to accommodate gigs?
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Post by andyboothscat on May 15, 2023 12:56:40 GMT 1
Other than this a year ago, And presumably Muse and Royal Blood will be doing similar in a few weeks time!? I've never understood why we need to have a removable stand for these events to happen though. I mean how many other UK based stadiums dismantle part of their ground to accommodate gigs? I presume its because it means that the stage is constructed completely off the pitch and therefore gives you an extra 20% or so of the pitch that can be used for punters and therefore increase profits. Possibly as well its beneficial for the pitch not to have a stage constructed on it for the best part of a few weeks. Prior to covid they had big concerts for Take That and Little Mix as well, as pointed out above as the one in a few weeks time also - so they must be doing something right. Because there really aren't that many stadiums the size of ours hosting gigs these days.
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Post by Mastercracker on May 15, 2023 13:03:39 GMT 1
I've never understood why we need to have a removable stand for these events to happen though. I mean how many other UK based stadiums dismantle part of their ground to accommodate gigs? I presume its because it means that the stage is constructed completely off the pitch and therefore gives you an extra 20% or so of the pitch that can be used for punters and therefore increase profits. Possibly as well its beneficial for the pitch not to have a stage constructed on it for the best part of a few weeks. Prior to covid they had big concerts for Take That and Little Mix as well, as pointed out above as the one in a few weeks time also - so they must be doing something right. Because there really aren't that many stadiums the size of ours hosting gigs these days. I think its location as much as anything. Muse are doing Plymouth, Milton Keynes, Huddersfield and Glasgow. We're basically covering the north and as somewhere pretty central, with a train station on main line and close to 2 major motorways it makes sense. It's something we should trade off too, Huddersfield can cover Manchester and Leeds if an act doesn't want to do both.
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Post by shawsie on May 15, 2023 13:16:50 GMT 1
From the limited twitter bits ive read, Nagle very much aware of the need to proactively communicate and present a plan for the future. We just have to allow the DD requirements to be met/the deal to proceed and then all will surely be revealed? The problem is not many folks have much patience - tbh Mr Warnock has taken the heat off what could have been an awful summer thinking of traipsing around L1 next campaign. Huge managerial decision and a bit of a poisoned chalice for the new man (unless well backed financially) given Warnock's sheer brilliance in keeping us up. Lets allow them to crack on, formalise their requirements and decisions and then back them - its a new era and one hopefully which will see new energy come into the club. DH has many disciples and detractors probably in equal measure now - but i think we can all agree the biggest loss in the last year or so has been the energy and passion which was shown in the prior years. Ill health / fatigue or whatever it is - DH can now rightly drift off into the sunset hopefully maintaining a watching interest and enjoy a long healthy retirement from the active involvement. Thankfully the Warnock appointment has allowed him to exit without a tainted relegation legacy. UTT
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Post by westislandterrier on May 15, 2023 13:21:30 GMT 1
A lot is made of this march day experience, I mean I turn up at 5 to 3 to watch a game, hopefully with a good atmosphere and some entertainment with Town winning, this 'match day experience' thingy is absolutely lost on me, it really is, I mean do people turn up at games for anything over that cheering on Town to victory, to promotion, to avoid relegation as in this last few months? I must be getting old other world has gone mad. I get what you mean, sort of. My "match day experience" used to involve a drink in the concourse before the match, but only because my uncle (and my lift) had that as his routine back then, when JSS first opened: Peacock 2 pints, concourse 1 pint, half time 1 pint, full time Peacock. But since Uncle Andy died we've started getting to the ground 5-10 minutes before kick off, have our "match day experience" elsewhere, usually at one of our houses, tinnies, music (or Town video), fill the hip flask and then shoot to the match.Ach sure - yer a man of ma own heart mosher ! 🥃 🥃 👍 😊
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Post by detox on May 15, 2023 13:27:14 GMT 1
The North Stand though is a problem, with no apparent solution after 20+ years of the JSS. I know the plan was that the seats could be dismantled and used as a stage for concerts etc but that seems to have died a death in recent years. Other than this a year ago, And presumably Muse and Royal Blood will be doing similar in a few weeks time!? i was thinking there's only been 3 since 2006....but i'm glad these are now back on track since Covid..
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 13:33:47 GMT 1
I presume its because it means that the stage is constructed completely off the pitch and therefore gives you an extra 20% or so of the pitch that can be used for punters and therefore increase profits. Possibly as well its beneficial for the pitch not to have a stage constructed on it for the best part of a few weeks. Prior to covid they had big concerts for Take That and Little Mix as well, as pointed out above as the one in a few weeks time also - so they must be doing something right. Because there really aren't that many stadiums the size of ours hosting gigs these days. I think its location as much as anything. Muse are doing Plymouth, Milton Keynes, Huddersfield and Glasgow. We're basically covering the north and as somewhere pretty central, with a train station on main line and close to 2 major motorways it makes sense. It's something we should trade off too, Huddersfield can cover Manchester and Leeds if an act doesn't want to do both. Size of venue, too. Last time I saw Muse in Manchester (don't judge me - it was a freebie) was at the Arena - the Etihad is a HUGE jump in capacity from that. So the JSS fills that gap for bands too big for an arena, but who might not fill a big stadium.
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Post by Mastercracker on May 15, 2023 14:51:28 GMT 1
I think its location as much as anything. Muse are doing Plymouth, Milton Keynes, Huddersfield and Glasgow. We're basically covering the north and as somewhere pretty central, with a train station on main line and close to 2 major motorways it makes sense. It's something we should trade off too, Huddersfield can cover Manchester and Leeds if an act doesn't want to do both. Size of venue, too. Last time I saw Muse in Manchester (don't judge me - it was a freebie) was at the Arena - the Etihad is a HUGE jump in capacity from that. So the JSS fills that gap for bands too big for an arena, but who might not fill a big stadium. Get what youre saying. Dont think that applies to Muse though, I've seen em at Wembley and it was full
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 15:02:10 GMT 1
Size of venue, too. Last time I saw Muse in Manchester (don't judge me - it was a freebie) was at the Arena - the Etihad is a HUGE jump in capacity from that. So the JSS fills that gap for bands too big for an arena, but who might not fill a big stadium. Get what youre saying. Dont think that applies to Muse though, I've seen em at Wembley and it was full Shows how much I follow new-fangled modern music! Okay, point still stands, but for bands who aren't Muse (Not a fan particularly, but they do put on a reet good live show)
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Post by mosher on May 15, 2023 15:26:15 GMT 1
Get what youre saying. Dont think that applies to Muse though, I've seen em at Wembley and it was full Shows how much I follow new-fangled modern music! Okay, point still stands, but for bands who aren't Muse (Not a fan particularly, but they do put on a reet good live show) Not a huge Muse fan either, but I've seen them at Leeds Festival and Donington. Like you say, amazing show, almost on a par with Kiss and Rammstein.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 16:23:08 GMT 1
25,000 Students at Huddersfield uni - With a student card I'd be offering 10 pounds entry with 3 free beer tokens. Helps the atmosphere, future supporters and wouldn't run at a loss.
Free season ticket for u16 with every adult season ticket purchased. Dads will bring their kids to the games and most likely will buy them a drink/food to keep them entertained.
Relationship with the uni to help with marketing; it's been highlighted here how bad the social media is. Young, skilled minds that have specialised knowledge in marketing/social media etc is ideal and could even be free / offering free tickets. Something like working for championship club would look great on a CV.
Larger scouting network of league 2/below. There's absolutely no way hatfc will ever be picking up top championship talent; even top league 1 talent like scott twine/adebayo likely out of budget etc. If peterborough/exeter etc can continuously seem to pick/produce gems from lower leagues why don't we target these markets as a priority?
Proper loan manager - palmer/ izzy... colwill/sinani/tino...... sheff utd - doyle/macatee - successful seasons seems to largely hinge on successful loans. It's so important that we get the correct 3-4 EPL loans every season. Surely there's a permanent role in there for someone.
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Post by Sparrow on May 15, 2023 16:50:32 GMT 1
25,000 Students at Huddersfield uni - With a student card I'd be offering 10 pounds entry with 3 free beer tokens. Helps the atmosphere, future supporters and wouldn't run at a loss. Free season ticket for u16 with every adult season ticket purchased. Dads will bring their kids to the games and most likely will buy them a drink/food to keep them entertained. Relationship with the uni to help with marketing; it's been highlighted here how bad the social media is. Young, skilled minds that have specialised knowledge in marketing/social media etc is ideal and could even be free / offering free tickets. Something like working for championship club would look great on a CV. Larger scouting network of league 2/below. There's absolutely no way hatfc will ever be picking up top championship talent; even top league 1 talent like scott twine/adebayo likely out of budget etc. If peterborough/exeter etc can continuously seem to pick/produce gems from lower leagues why don't we target these markets as a priority? Proper loan manager - palmer/ izzy... colwill/sinani/tino...... sheff utd - doyle/macatee - successful seasons seems to largely hinge on successful loans. It's so important that we get the correct 3-4 EPL loans every season. Surely there's a permanent role in there for someone. [/b] David Fox is our Loan Manager. Been with us since June 2020
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Post by townarentbest on May 15, 2023 16:53:02 GMT 1
Size of venue, too. Last time I saw Muse in Manchester (don't judge me - it was a freebie) was at the Arena - the Etihad is a HUGE jump in capacity from that. So the JSS fills that gap for bands too big for an arena, but who might not fill a big stadium. Get what youre saying. Dont think that applies to Muse though, I've seen em at Wembley and it was full Muse seem to be taking in a whole range of venues - a work colleague is seeing them in an open air place in Switzerland that is limited to just 5000 tickets, the same month they play to 80,000+ crowds in France and Italy.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on May 15, 2023 16:53:19 GMT 1
I think its location as much as anything. Muse are doing Plymouth, Milton Keynes, Huddersfield and Glasgow. We're basically covering the north and as somewhere pretty central, with a train station on main line and close to 2 major motorways it makes sense. It's something we should trade off too, Huddersfield can cover Manchester and Leeds if an act doesn't want to do both. Size of venue, too. Last time I saw Muse in Manchester (don't judge me - it was a freebie) was at the Arena - the Etihad is a HUGE jump in capacity from that. So the JSS fills that gap for bands too big for an arena, but who might not fill a big stadium. Not sure that's always a factor, probably more to do with availability. Last year's Hella Mega tour (Green Day, Fallout Boy & Weezer) in which there were only two shows in England, saw a crowd of 32,000 in Huddersfield and 75,000 the day before at the London Stadium. Whatever the reasons though, we should look to get more of these events.
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Post by townarentbest on May 15, 2023 16:57:21 GMT 1
25,000 Students at Huddersfield uni - With a student card I'd be offering 10 pounds entry with 3 free beer tokens. Helps the atmosphere, future supporters and wouldn't run at a loss. Free season ticket for u16 with every adult season ticket purchased. Dads will bring their kids to the games and most likely will buy them a drink/food to keep them entertained. Relationship with the uni to help with marketing; it's been highlighted here how bad the social media is. Young, skilled minds that have specialised knowledge in marketing/social media etc is ideal and could even be free / offering free tickets. Something like working for championship club would look great on a CV. Larger scouting network of league 2/below. There's absolutely no way hatfc will ever be picking up top championship talent; even top league 1 talent like scott twine/adebayo likely out of budget etc. If peterborough/exeter etc can continuously seem to pick/produce gems from lower leagues why don't we target these markets as a priority? Proper loan manager - palmer/ izzy... colwill/sinani/tino...... sheff utd - doyle/macatee - successful seasons seems to largely hinge on successful loans. It's so important that we get the correct 3-4 EPL loans every season. Surely there's a permanent role in there for someone. Dishing out free tickets we'd end up with sold out games with thousands of empty seats and an inability for anyone who actually wants to buy a ticket to be able to buy one. I know I'd happily take a free ticket to give me a bit more elbow room and end up it being used twice a year if that.
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Post by reverendstarbuck on May 15, 2023 19:38:53 GMT 1
back some 20 years now when I lived in Fulham my neighbours were a French guy and his (gorgeous) Brazilian girlfriend. She was a student but used to work at Arsenal football ground on matchdays as one of a crew who walked the concourses dispensing beer/lager from a back back. This was in addition to the concessions selling beer and food etc, but if you just wanted a pint these guys were there to give you a quick fill up. Seemed such a good idea to me, and I have actually seen this since at cricket grounds and the odd summer fete i've attended. I suppose for those fans who like several pints you could take your own, disguised as food pack ...? Seriously though it's ridiculous fans having to miss 5 mins of the 1st half to join the queue or miss 5 mins of the 2nd half waiting to be served...or both ! So come on Town, get it sorted..I mean for the Kilner Bank stand there's space outside at both ends to have some beer stalls..In fact I remember going to Derby's new ground once and at half time they'd already pulled about 100 pints and placed them on the counter in anticipation of the rush. Does that happen at Town ever ? Agree with all this. I only get to one or two home games a season now, but every time I go I'm staggered at the potential revenue lost by the club through either a) only having a (terrible) club shop on one side of the ground, and b) making people queue so long for food and drink. Compared to the German experience (where I live), or any sporting event I've been in the US, it's absolutely piss poor for the fans, and utterly brain dead by the club from a commercial perspective. Sorting this out and sorting the team out are not mutually exclusive, either.
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Post by Mastercracker on May 15, 2023 19:48:01 GMT 1
back some 20 years now when I lived in Fulham my neighbours were a French guy and his (gorgeous) Brazilian girlfriend. She was a student but used to work at Arsenal football ground on matchdays as one of a crew who walked the concourses dispensing beer/lager from a back back. This was in addition to the concessions selling beer and food etc, but if you just wanted a pint these guys were there to give you a quick fill up. Seemed such a good idea to me, and I have actually seen this since at cricket grounds and the odd summer fete i've attended. I suppose for those fans who like several pints you could take your own, disguised as food pack ...? Seriously though it's ridiculous fans having to miss 5 mins of the 1st half to join the queue or miss 5 mins of the 2nd half waiting to be served...or both ! So come on Town, get it sorted..I mean for the Kilner Bank stand there's space outside at both ends to have some beer stalls..In fact I remember going to Derby's new ground once and at half time they'd already pulled about 100 pints and placed them on the counter in anticipation of the rush. Does that happen at Town ever ? Agree with all this. I only get to one or two home games a season now, but every time I go I'm staggered at the potential revenue lost by the club through either a) only having a (terrible) club shop on one side of the ground, and b) making people queue so long for food and drink. Compared to the German experience (where I live), or any sporting event I've been in the US, it's absolutely piss poor for the fans, and utterly brain dead by the club from a commercial perspective. Sorting this out and sorting the team out are not mutually exclusive, either. Completely agree, but not sure it’s quite fair to criticise the club for once on this. The abysmal catering experience and the tiny club shop are both problems brought about by lack of control in the stadium. KSDL clearly don’t care who gets the catering contract past ease and whoever is the highest bidder and we clearly couldn’t get a bigger club shop through, or we wouldn’t have ended up with 2 portacabins paid for by ourselves.
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Post by Porrohman on May 15, 2023 19:59:33 GMT 1
I've never understood why we need to have a removable stand for these events to happen though. I mean how many other UK based stadiums dismantle part of their ground to accommodate gigs? I presume its because it means that the stage is constructed completely off the pitch and therefore gives you an extra 20% or so of the pitch that can be used for punters and therefore increase profits. Possibly as well its beneficial for the pitch not to have a stage constructed on it for the best part of a few weeks. Prior to covid they had big concerts for Take That and Little Mix as well, as pointed out above as the one in a few weeks time also - so they must be doing something right. Because there really aren't that many stadiums the size of ours hosting gigs these days. But they left the seats and put the stage on the pitch for Little Mix and we started a PL season with the pitch fucked at one end.
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Post by Porrohman on May 15, 2023 20:05:56 GMT 1
I think its location as much as anything. Muse sold it out doing Plymouth, Milton Keynes, Huddersfield and Glasgow. We're basically covering the north and as somewhere pretty central, with a train station on main line and close to 2 major motorways it makes sense. It's something we should trade off too, Huddersfield can cover Manchester and Leeds if an act doesn't want to do both. Size of venue, too. Last time I saw Muse in Manchester (don't judge me - it was a freebie) was at the Arena - the Etihad is a HUGE jump in capacity from that. So the JSS fills that gap for bands too big for an arena, but who might not fill a big stadium. I've been at a sold out Etihad twice to see Muse and the been at Wembley twice when they've sold that out too. The JSS will be the smallest crowd I've been in to see them.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 20:41:38 GMT 1
Size of venue, too. Last time I saw Muse in Manchester (don't judge me - it was a freebie) was at the Arena - the Etihad is a HUGE jump in capacity from that. So the JSS fills that gap for bands too big for an arena, but who might not fill a big stadium. I've been at a sold out Etihad twice to see Muse and the been at Wembley twice when they've sold that out too. The JSS will be the smallest crowd I've been in to see them. Not a fan, then?
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Post by Porrohman on May 15, 2023 20:45:43 GMT 1
I've been at a sold out Etihad twice to see Muse and the been at Wembley twice when they've sold that out too. The JSS will be the smallest crowd I've been in to see them. Not a fan, then? Perhaps, a little 😁. Got to see The Streets support them at Wembley and had to put up with Dizzee Rascal supporting them at the Etihad. Tom Morello was support last time, he was very good.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on May 15, 2023 20:57:21 GMT 1
Perhaps, a little 😁. Got to see The Streets support them at Wembley and had to put up with Dizzee Rascal supporting them at the Etihad. Tom Morello was support last time, he was very good. Was he the cherry on the icing for you, Porroh?
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on May 15, 2023 21:58:34 GMT 1
Perhaps, a little 😁. Got to see The Streets support them at Wembley and had to put up with Dizzee Rascal supporting them at the Etihad. Tom Morello was support last time, he was very good. Does Dizzee enter penalty competitions?
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Post by andyboothscat on May 16, 2023 10:06:18 GMT 1
With regards North stand lower I would suggest keeping this incredibly simple and straight forward.
Its £10 adult and £5 junior every single game. No transfers to other stands.
You can watch an entire season there should you so wish for basically the same price as a season ticket without needing to tie up £250 in the summer when times are hard. The consequence for this is that you obviously get the worst seats in the stadium with no cover (so youre still rewarding season ticket holders ahead of them). The positives are that it gets more people in, increases atmosphere and engages those who cant shell out for a season ticket or afford £25 a game. The long term benefits are there, it doesn't seem a difficult one to me.
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Post by Mastercracker on May 16, 2023 10:51:41 GMT 1
With regards North stand lower I would suggest keeping this incredibly simple and straight forward. Its £10 adult and £5 junior every single game. No transfers to other stands. You can watch an entire season there should you so wish for basically the same price as a season ticket without needing to tie up £250 in the summer when times are hard. The consequence for this is that you obviously get the worst seats in the stadium with no cover (so youre still rewarding season ticket holders ahead of them). The positives are that it gets more people in, increases atmosphere and engages those who cant shell out for a season ticket or afford £25 a game. The long term benefits are there, it doesn't seem a difficult one to me. As a solution until we're in Europe and Kev knocks down the North Stand and starts again, excellent.
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Post by Huddy Town Black Sox on May 16, 2023 21:26:13 GMT 1
With regards North stand lower I would suggest keeping this incredibly simple and straight forward. Its £10 adult and £5 junior every single game. No transfers to other stands. You can watch an entire season there should you so wish for basically the same price as a season ticket without needing to tie up £250 in the summer when times are hard. The consequence for this is that you obviously get the worst seats in the stadium with no cover (so youre still rewarding season ticket holders ahead of them). The positives are that it gets more people in, increases atmosphere and engages those who cant shell out for a season ticket or afford £25 a game. The long term benefits are there, it doesn't seem a difficult one to me. I actually liked going in the FM lower before they turned it into a kids end,, Which is probably the worst end weather wise if you are doing deals where you are hoping the folk who turn up, get the bug and want to turn up again. Had some great matches from that little end, Wear some quality clobber on wet days and take a bseball cap in the summer, sorted, Your also as close to the pitch as anywhere in the stadium.
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Post by Leporid on May 17, 2023 16:18:28 GMT 1
Marching brass bands. Let's celebrate our traditions A piper in the winter and the spring for the two games Westie comes down for ! 😬 And playing The 6/8 March tune of - ‘Leaving Port Askaig and Islay’ - as this is the place I normally depart from on The Whisky Isle on ma way to Huddersfield ! 😊 That West Highland piping tune "The night we had the goats." would add to the atmosphere Westie.
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Post by mosher on May 18, 2023 8:45:45 GMT 1
A piper in the winter and the spring for the two games Westie comes down for ! 😬 And playing The 6/8 March tune of - ‘Leaving Port Askaig and Islay’ - as this is the place I normally depart from on The Whisky Isle on ma way to Huddersfield ! 😊 That West Highland piping tune "The night we had the goats." would add to the atmosphere Westie. This one?
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Post by sapphireblue on May 18, 2023 16:44:08 GMT 1
If we are going to have bagpipes can we have them playing "Marching on Together". I sort of feel they deserve each other.
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Post by Leporid on May 18, 2023 21:48:31 GMT 1
That West Highland piping tune "The night we had the goats." would add to the atmosphere Westie. This one? That's the one Mosher. I wasn't kidding. I prefer it on the pipes to the low whistle, but it's a grand tune...
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