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Post by westislandterrier on May 17, 2023 20:18:31 GMT 1
He might just Tone-y the betting down a little after this ban ! (I doubt he’ll wanna drown his sorrows with a good O-ban malt though) ! 😬 😬
Ivan won’t be saying I-won this on this occasion !
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Post by sapphireblue on May 17, 2023 21:05:38 GMT 1
We don't know the charges that were dropped. Maybe the FA have been lenient with regards to match fixing? If they have then they are a joke and as I said, the ban should be years. 8 months has no basis. Plea bargaining?
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Post by impact on May 17, 2023 21:38:32 GMT 1
If they have then they are a joke and as I said, the ban should be years. 8 months has no basis. Plea bargaining? Amir got 5 years for bowling 2 no balls. It surely had to be a couple of months or at least a couple of years
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on May 17, 2023 22:06:18 GMT 1
He might just Tone-y the betting down a little after this ban ! (I doubt he’ll wanna drown his sorrows with an O-ban malt though) ! 😬 😬 Ivan won’t be saying I-won this on this occasion ! I've heard he's appealing. Apparently he's got good odds on a victory.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 17, 2023 22:23:55 GMT 1
Good to see the FA making it clear that there's no place for gambling in the Beautiful Bet365 Game. Maybe he’ll get a move to an EFL club, maybe the Sky Bet Championship?
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Post by henryc on May 17, 2023 23:15:14 GMT 1
I wonder if the FA have ever banned one of the gambling companies for closing peoples accounts after a big win.
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Post by rockwall on May 18, 2023 7:52:34 GMT 1
Good to see the FA making it clear that there's no place for gambling in the Beautiful Bet365 Game. Maybe he’ll get a move to an EFL club, maybe the Sky Bet Championship? Unfortunately the EFL are subject to the FA's sanctions. He may be able to get a loan move abroad though. Wonder if Brentford will have to splash some cash on a short term replacement.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2023 8:51:36 GMT 1
Brentford are the losers in this, not Toney.
His fee will be deflated as contract running down and no game time. They will also be without their top scorer and the consequences could be them plunged into a relegation battle. Harsh as it may sound, I hope they have it in his contract that if suspended in such circumstances and unable to perform, he is suspended without pay. Any other job you'd be sacked, eg losing your driving licence if a sales rep. However, clearly they won't want to upset their star player who they want to extract maximum ££s from, so a very, very difficult situation for them to manage, which they did not know was coming their way when they signed him (when these offences had already been committed !).
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Post by mosher on May 18, 2023 9:34:36 GMT 1
Footballer banned from betting whilst advertising a betting company on his shirt. If he hasn’t bet on the outcome of his own games, what’s the problem…? I completely agree. But a blanket ban is SO much easier for the football authorities to keep an eye on than checking each individuals' activity.
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Post by portugalterrier on May 18, 2023 9:53:51 GMT 1
Footballer banned from betting whilst advertising a betting company on his shirt. If he hasn’t bet on the outcome of his own games, what’s the problem…? Collusion with other footballers, collusion is one of the hardest frauds to uncover .
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 18, 2023 9:57:55 GMT 1
Footballer banned from betting whilst advertising a betting company on his shirt. If he hasn’t bet on the outcome of his own games, what’s the problem…? Collusion with other footballers, collusion is one of the hardest frauds to uncover . Giving it some thought, there must be a way of betting via others where you cannot be linked? You might have to trust someone a fair amount but it can be done??
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Post by canuckterrier99 on May 18, 2023 10:12:16 GMT 1
Collusion with other footballers, collusion is one of the hardest frauds to uncover . Giving it some thought, there must be a way of betting via others where you cannot be linked? You might have to trust someone a fair amount but it can be done?? But how likely is it that one professional footballer, let alone more, is smart enough to be able to work out how to do that and pull it off successfully? Toney is being banned because he's either a idiot or an addict. In the case of the former, he's getting what he deserves and, if it's the latter, I hope he receives whatever treatment and support he needs.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on May 18, 2023 10:42:20 GMT 1
8 months is a joke. If he placed bets for match fixing it should be years. If he didn't then it's a stupidly long suspension. A game with betting at its core suspending a player for betting. Ferdinand got the same for doping. Barton got about half that for 6x the bets. Not quite. He got a ban for missing a test.
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Post by detox on May 18, 2023 10:50:41 GMT 1
The betting rule should be just for your own team or opponents that day...but the message here is one of total hypocrisy by the FA..betting companies are splashed all over football and the FA takes the money to promote these 'services' but bans players wearing the betting co's ads on their shirts from having a bet of any sort on football ? Has Toney actually bet on games he's been involved in ? Be interesting to see the details of this when it's released..
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Post by mosher on May 18, 2023 10:53:16 GMT 1
The betting rule should be just for your own team or opponents that day...but the message here is one of total hypocrisy by the FA..betting companies are splashed all over football and the FA takes the money to promote these 'services' but bans players wearing the betting co's ads on their shirts from having a bet of any sort on football ? Has Toney actually bet on games he's been involved in ? Be interesting to see the details of this when it's released.. I'm not one who rails against betting (or any) advertising, but it is hugely hypocritical of the FA, as you say.
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Post by ringdisco on May 18, 2023 11:01:41 GMT 1
8 months is a joke. If he placed bets for match fixing it should be years. If he didn't then it's a stupidly long suspension. A game with betting at its core suspending a player for betting. Ferdinand got the same for doping. Barton got about half that for 6x the bets. Not quite. He got a ban for missing a test. On purpose.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2023 11:07:53 GMT 1
Not quite. He got a ban for missing a test. On purpose. Suarez only got 8 games for Racism.
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Post by andyboothscat on May 18, 2023 11:11:52 GMT 1
Not quite. He got a ban for missing a test. On purpose. Thus he was treat as a drugs cheat - and rightly so because he ‘could’ have missed the test because he knew he’d fail it. And not treating him like a drugs cheat would have set a precedent for cheats everywhere to simply not turn up to tests. That’s something that Ferdinand, Ferguson, Neville and friends failed to recognise back in 2003. Likewise with Toney. The ban is in place to stop allegations of match fixing. The rules were clear as day and he decided they didn’t apply to him. So he’s treat like a match fixer when he gets caught. No sympathy at all.
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Post by markthehorn on May 18, 2023 12:14:42 GMT 1
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Post by mosher on May 18, 2023 12:36:51 GMT 1
I don't see how they can make it worldwide when not all countries have banned their players from gambling on football. Wasn't there someone recently banned in England so their club sent them on loan overseas for 6 months? Wasn't for gambling I don't think, but even so.
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on May 18, 2023 14:06:52 GMT 1
The betting rule should be just for your own team or opponents that day...but the message here is one of total hypocrisy by the FA..betting companies are splashed all over football and the FA takes the money to promote these 'services' but bans players wearing the betting co's ads on their shirts from having a bet of any sort on football ? Has Toney actually bet on games he's been involved in ? Be interesting to see the details of this when it's released.. If it were up to me, the ban would only be for betting AGAINST your own team, or on things that the player can directly influence (things like the "spot fixing" that Le Tissier admitted to doing on things like the timing of the first throw-in). If they've backed their own team to win, it doesn't affect anything as they should be trying to win the match anyway.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 18, 2023 15:30:25 GMT 1
Too easy for players to get their mates in other teams to fix a game for the punishment to only come in if you've betted on your own teams games. Even footballers arent daft enough to blatantly rig their own matches surely?
A blanket ban on betting on football games is the simplest and fairest way to go IMO. They must know the rules, so dont break them. I also dont see any conflict of interest between this and betting companies sponsoring the game
Didnt an England player get a lifetime ban in the run up to 1966 ( Swann of Sheff Wed ?? ) that possibly cost him a place in the WC winning side.. and his career there after? Sure that was a gambling offence. Toneys punishment doesnt seem very draconian compared to that.
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Post by gledholt terrier on May 18, 2023 18:18:21 GMT 1
Too easy for players to get their mates in other teams to fix a game for the punishment to only come in if you've betted on your own teams games. Even footballers arent daft enough to blatantly rig their own matches surely? A blanket ban on betting on football games is the simplest and fairest way to go IMO. They must know the rules, so dont break them. I also dont see any conflict of interest between this and betting companies sponsoring the game Didnt an England player get a lifetime ban in the run up to 1966 ( Swann of Sheff Wed ?? ) that possibly cost him a place in the WC winning side.. and his career there after? Sure that was a gambling offence. Toneys punishment doesnt seem very draconian compared to that. Tony Kay and Peter Swan plus one other - I played against Swan in a cup game which somehow involved extremely south Huddersfield teams. There is an old drama about it probably on YouTube. Edit - it is.
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Post by Porrohman on May 25, 2023 6:02:14 GMT 1
Toney got excited when he realised his ban finishes at 17/1
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Post by menstonterrier on May 25, 2023 9:24:06 GMT 1
Too easy for players to get their mates in other teams to fix a game for the punishment to only come in if you've betted on your own teams games. Even footballers arent daft enough to blatantly rig their own matches surely? A blanket ban on betting on football games is the simplest and fairest way to go IMO. They must know the rules, so dont break them. I also dont see any conflict of interest between this and betting companies sponsoring the game Didnt an England player get a lifetime ban in the run up to 1966 ( Swann of Sheff Wed ?? ) that possibly cost him a place in the WC winning side.. and his career there after? Sure that was a gambling offence. Toneys punishment doesnt seem very draconian compared to that. Tony Kay and Peter Swan plus one other - I played against Swan in a cup game which somehow involved extremely south Huddersfield teams. There is an old drama about it probably on YouTube. Edit - it is. Wasn’t it David “Bronco”Layne that was the third Wednesday player involved?
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Post by foxtrot666 on May 25, 2023 9:31:03 GMT 1
Seems unfair on Brentford, would have been better banning him for 1 month and make him pay £500k to a gambling charity
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Post by ram on May 25, 2023 10:40:05 GMT 1
Too easy for players to get their mates in other teams to fix a game for the punishment to only come in if you've betted on your own teams games. Even footballers arent daft enough to blatantly rig their own matches surely? A blanket ban on betting on football games is the simplest and fairest way to go IMO. They must know the rules, so dont break them. I also dont see any conflict of interest between this and betting companies sponsoring the game Didnt an England player get a lifetime ban in the run up to 1966 ( Swann of Sheff Wed ?? ) that possibly cost him a place in the WC winning side.. and his career there after? Sure that was a gambling offence. Toneys punishment doesnt seem very draconian compared to that. Tony Kay and Peter Swan plus one other - I played against Swan in a cup game which somehow involved extremely south Huddersfield teams. There is an old drama about it probably on YouTube. Edit - it is. Bronco Layne {Lane?}
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Post by Teddington Ted on May 25, 2023 10:53:05 GMT 1
Typical FA bollocks. They pander to the betting companies, football taking billions off them every year to the point gambling and gambling advertising is embedded into the very fabric of the game - despite the misery, heartbreak and suicides it causes across society.
That’s all fine though. Until a player gambles, at which point they decide HE is the problem and needs making an example of, to protect their integrity.
I loved Southgate’s response yesterday.
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Post by rockwall on May 25, 2023 12:22:58 GMT 1
Standard FA. Hypocritical cards.
Want gambling companies to fund their pockets. But then are disgusted when a player has a flutter.
Unless match fixing has taken place, so what?
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Post by brighousebandbred on May 25, 2023 12:50:39 GMT 1
Brentford are the losers in this, not Toney. His fee will be deflated as contract running down and no game time. They will also be without their top scorer and the consequences could be them plunged into a relegation battle. Harsh as it may sound, I hope they have it in his contract that if suspended in such circumstances and unable to perform, he is suspended without pay. Any other job you'd be sacked, eg losing your driving licence if a sales rep. However, clearly they won't want to upset their star player who they want to extract maximum ££s from, so a very, very difficult situation for them to manage, which they did not know was coming their way when they signed him (when these offences had already been committed !). Brentford do lose out the most in this circumstance. But a decent firm may sack someone or lay off but if that employee was a major asset to the firm ( major) let’s not beat around the bush ANY firm worth it’s salt would welcome them back with open arms if their problem has been solved, people make mistakes this isn’t like he’s committed an horrendous crime the lads probably just got a bit of an addiction. And the lad will lose possibly big time as he won’t get paid for 8 months and very likely to never play for England after a long lay off. He won’t be happy with what situation he’s put himself in .
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