Webber

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Jun 13, 2023 13:27:54 GMT 1 66738 said:

Wagner must be sniffing his armpits and asking “Do I smell or something?”

No love lost if you recall the comments from Wagner about Webbers exit from Town ?

[66738]

Jun 13, 2023 13:29:29 GMT 1 @sociallydistant said:

Jun 13, 2023 13:27:54 GMT 1 66738 said:

Wagner must be sniffing his armpits and asking “Do I smell or something?”

No love lost if you recall the comments from Wagner about Webbers exit from Town ?

D’ya know, I can’t remember that. So the writing was on the wall then when David took the post?

[Gag N Bone Man]

Jun 13, 2023 13:32:43 GMT 1 66738 said:

Jun 13, 2023 13:29:29 GMT 1 @sociallydistant said:

No love lost if you recall the comments from Wagner about Webbers exit from Town ?

D’ya know, I can’t remember that. So the writing was on the wall then when David took the post?

Probably on some paper. or a whiteboard. 

[Spike24]

New D.O.F? Haha

[royrace]

Jun 13, 2023 13:32:43 GMT 1 66738 said:

Jun 13, 2023 13:29:29 GMT 1 @sociallydistant said:

No love lost if you recall the comments from Wagner about Webbers exit from Town ?

D’ya know, I can’t remember that. So the writing was on the wall then when David took the post?

I think more likely he's just been offered more money and what he considers a better job, plus he's a northerner I think? Not shy of jumping ship for a better offer as we know. Linked with L**ds.

[terriers2000]

Webber & Farke to Leeds

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Jun 13, 2023 13:32:43 GMT 1 66738 said:

Jun 13, 2023 13:29:29 GMT 1 @sociallydistant said:

No love lost if you recall the comments from Wagner about Webbers exit from Town ?

D’ya know, I can’t remember that. So the writing was on the wall then when David took the post?

Possibly, but equally his stock has fallen somewhat amongst the Norwich faithful with some of the signings and appointments of the last 2-3 years not working out.

"Exit by the front door, not the rear door" was Wagners parting shot when SW chose to sneek out of the rear .....

[Porrohman]

Jun 13, 2023 14:09:21 GMT 1 terriers2000 said:

Webber & Farke to Leeds

Farke has been linked with the Celtic job

[terriers2000]

Jun 13, 2023 14:35:20 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Jun 13, 2023 14:09:21 GMT 1 terriers2000 said:

Webber & Farke to Leeds

Farke has been linked with the Celtic job

Brendan Rodgers is off to Celtic 

[irverino]

The man who only 8 years ago masterminded the appointment of David Wagner for Town departed from Norwich City yesterday, giving himself a huge pat on the back with his leaving speech......Apparently to climb Everest, if he fancies a bigger challenge?

[hudmat]

Oh dear

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68649991

[bells ringing :)]

Mar 26, 2024 19:07:41 GMT 1 hudmat said:

Oh dear

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68649991

I said it on the thread about ex players, how to burn your own career by Webber. He doesn't seem to want to work ever again .

[tockyterrier]

Mar 26, 2024 19:07:41 GMT 1 hudmat said:

Oh dear

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68649991

Given that there has just been a news article about another top Liverpool academy, player who is white & at the time was touted to be better than Owen, but ended up a serious Liverpool organised crime gang leader due to injury forcing him out of the game. I'm not sure that is racist

[tepidterrier]

Mar 26, 2024 20:17:20 GMT 1 tockyterrier said:

Mar 26, 2024 19:07:41 GMT 1 hudmat said:

Oh dear

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68649991

Given that there has just been a news article about another top Liverpool academy, player who is white & at the time was touted to be better than Owen, but ended up a serious Liverpool organised crime gang leader due to injury forcing him out of the game. I'm not sure that is racist

Associating young black footballers with crimes they've never done isn't racist because of a young white footballer who has done crime?

I think I know what you're getting at, that footballers can come from backgrounds where there's a lot of bad influences about. But Webber singling out those players out, out of nowhere, is racist I think.

[Captainslapper]

It may well be true that those players he singled out might have ended up in a gang or something had they not been footballers...its obviously an issue for young lads growing up in certain urban environments , particularly for young black lads in London as statistics show.

But Im amazed a guy like webber, who you'd think must be an intelligent, sharp bloke to get to where hes got in his career, has singled out just black players for that comment.

Even in a scenario where those 5 players were genuinely the only players he knows who he thinks might have gone down the criminal path if they werent footballers...surely he'd think,,"hang on those are all black lads..thats going to make me look really racist if I say that,,so I best not"

Maybe he is a racist,,but if he is hes also a stupid racist.

[terrierneil]

He comes across as a bit Alan Partridge doesn't he?

[htfcterry]

I think that's getting blown out of proportion slightly. He ends the quote with Sterling who is widely known to have had a rough childhood with behavioural problems.

Not the brightest thing to say though given their ethnicity.

He's not very likeable at all, comes across a right arrogant prick.

[tepidterrier]

Mar 27, 2024 8:43:17 GMT 1 htfcterry said:

I think that's getting blown out of proportion slightly. He ends the quote with Sterling who is widely known to have had a rough childhood with behavioural problems.

Not the brightest thing to say though given their ethnicity.

He's not very likeable at all, comes across a right arrogant prick.

It's a funny one. I'm sure a non zero proportion of footballers will have had behavioural problems in school. Sterling grew up in almost Dickensian style poverty, some of his accounts of his childhood are very moving. I think it's a big problem when the journey from a young working class black lad who didn't behave at school, to a black adult whose existence is criminalised whether he's done anything or not, is seen as such a straight road. This is why Webber's made the racist comment at the end of the day. That perception is there for a few reasons, one is that it does happen. A big one is that black boys are presented by the media as criminals in waiting, and miss out on a lot of opportunities as a result.

[mosher]

Mar 26, 2024 19:07:41 GMT 1 hudmat said:

Oh dear

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68649991

Mental.

Why didn't he include some white players from poor backgrounds, there's plenty of THEM around too.

Just opens himself up to accusations of racism whether he meant it that way or not.

Perhaps he really DOES think only black players come from poor backgrounds, some kind of reverse racism where he thinks he's highlighting an issue of ethnic deprivation, but has in fact shown what people nowadays call subconscious bias or whatever the term is.

[Essex Terrier]

I think he'd go down well on DATM.

Perhaps he's on here already...let me think - who could he be? 🤔

[ringdisco]

Mar 27, 2024 0:40:52 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

It may well be true that those players he singled out might have ended up in a gang or something had they not been footballers...its obviously an issue for young lads growing up in certain urban environments , particularly for young black lads in London as statistics show.

But Im amazed a guy like webber, who you'd think must be an intelligent, sharp bloke to get to where hes got in his career, has singled out just black players for that comment.

Even in a scenario where those 5 players were genuinely the only players he knows who he thinks might have gone down the criminal path if they werent footballers...surely he'd think,,"hang on those are all black lads..thats going to make me look really racist if I say that,,so I best not"

Maybe he is a racist,,but if he is hes also a stupid racist.

One of them a Norwich prospect with well off parents even. Just blatantly racist.

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Mar 27, 2024 0:40:52 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

It may well be true that those players he singled out might have ended up in a gang or something had they not been footballers...its obviously an issue for young lads growing up in certain urban environments , particularly for young black lads in London as statistics show.

But Im amazed a guy like webber, who you'd think must be an intelligent, sharp bloke to get to where hes got in his career, has singled out just black players for that comment.

Even in a scenario where those 5 players were genuinely the only players he knows who he thinks might have gone down the criminal path if they werent footballers...surely he'd think,,"hang on those are all black lads..thats going to make me look really racist if I say that,,so I best not"

Maybe he is a racist,,but if he is hes also a stupid racist.

The guy is an absolute c.nut.
I took Wagner at his word when he left through the back door, but one listen to the High Performance podcast episode with him on, confirmed what an arrogant tool he is, who hopefully will never work at a decent level in football again.

[crux]

Mar 27, 2024 13:37:03 GMT 1 @sociallydistant said:

Mar 27, 2024 0:40:52 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

It may well be true that those players he singled out might have ended up in a gang or something had they not been footballers...its obviously an issue for young lads growing up in certain urban environments , particularly for young black lads in London as statistics show.

But Im amazed a guy like webber, who you'd think must be an intelligent, sharp bloke to get to where hes got in his career, has singled out just black players for that comment.

Even in a scenario where those 5 players were genuinely the only players he knows who he thinks might have gone down the criminal path if they werent footballers...surely he'd think,,"hang on those are all black lads..thats going to make me look really racist if I say that,,so I best not"

Maybe he is a racist,,but if he is hes also a stupid racist.

The guy is an absolute c.nut.
I took Wagner at his word when he left through the back door, but one listen to the High Performance podcast episode with him on, confirmed what an arrogant tool he is, who hopefully will never work at a decent level in football again.

The way he left Norwich was as though he had a decent job lined up. He worked his notice period and left, it wasn't as though he was sacked and put on 'gardening leave'.

It is really weird that he appears to have gone nowhere and has now done this interview. Which, even if it has been cut and paraphrased, was never going to look good in print. I'm not sure where he goes from here now?

[Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier]

Mar 27, 2024 13:37:03 GMT 1 @sociallydistant said:

Mar 27, 2024 0:40:52 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

It may well be true that those players he singled out might have ended up in a gang or something had they not been footballers...its obviously an issue for young lads growing up in certain urban environments , particularly for young black lads in London as statistics show.

But Im amazed a guy like webber, who you'd think must be an intelligent, sharp bloke to get to where hes got in his career, has singled out just black players for that comment.

Even in a scenario where those 5 players were genuinely the only players he knows who he thinks might have gone down the criminal path if they werent footballers...surely he'd think,,"hang on those are all black lads..thats going to make me look really racist if I say that,,so I best not"

Maybe he is a racist,,but if he is hes also a stupid racist.

The guy is an absolute c.nut.
I took Wagner at his word when he left through the back door, but one listen to the High Performance podcast episode with him on, confirmed what an arrogant tool he is, who hopefully will never work at a decent level in football again.

Webber’s father-in-law had (may still have) some connection to Sutton United. A couple of years ago I was sat near him on a supporters club coach (Port Vale). I spoke to him fairly briefly. Safe to say that Webber hadn’t given him a good impression of Town.

[tockyterrier]

Mar 27, 2024 0:40:52 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

It may well be true that those players he singled out might have ended up in a gang or something had they not been footballers...its obviously an issue for young lads growing up in certain urban environments , particularly for young black lads in London as statistics show.

But Im amazed a guy like webber, who you'd think must be an intelligent, sharp bloke to get to where hes got in his career, has singled out just black players for that comment.

Even in a scenario where those 5 players were genuinely the only players he knows who he thinks might have gone down the criminal path if they werent footballers...surely he'd think,,"hang on those are all black lads..thats going to make me look really racist if I say that,,so I best not"

Maybe he is a racist,,but if he is hes also a stupid racist.

Or maybe he singled them out, because they were the ones that "made it" from the academy .....they just happen to be black and that fact didn't cross his mind because he isn't racist and their colour didn't enter his head?

[tockyterrier]

Mar 27, 2024 10:26:36 GMT 1 mosher said:

Mar 26, 2024 19:07:41 GMT 1 hudmat said:

Oh dear

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68649991

Mental.

Why didn't he include some white players from poor backgrounds, there's plenty of THEM around too.

Just opens himself up to accusations of racism whether he meant it that way or not.

Perhaps he really DOES think only black players come from poor backgrounds, some kind of reverse racism where he thinks he's highlighting an issue of ethnic deprivation, but has in fact shown what people nowadays call subconscious bias or whatever the term is.

weren't the players he named, the ones that have succeded from the academy when he was in charge of academy recruitment?

[Wagner Uber Alles]

Mar 27, 2024 10:26:36 GMT 1 mosher said:

Mar 26, 2024 19:07:41 GMT 1 hudmat said:

Oh dear

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68649991

Mental.

Why didn't he include some white players from poor backgrounds, there's plenty of THEM around too.

Just opens himself up to accusations of racism whether he meant it that way or not.

Perhaps he really DOES think only black players come from poor backgrounds, some kind of reverse racism where he thinks he's highlighting an issue of ethnic deprivation, but has in fact shown what people nowadays call subconscious bias or whatever the term is.

Just because he didn't, doesn't mean to say that he wouldn't. Depends upon the actual questions, context, etc.

I abhor racism, nationalism, in fact any "ism". But what really riles me is the whole "trial by media", gutter press or social media, that's popped up in the past decade or so. 

Cropped comments out of context, not asking the "victim" a broader range of questions, the clickbait gutter media just hanging onto one phrase and amplifying it a thousand times. 

Then it's all lapped up by virtue signalling knobs, online judge and jury passing sentence upon whichever poor bastard 'misspoke' and ended up being boiled alive in hot oil by them...

In my book, EVERYONE has the right to reply, and the right to a proper trial. The media have become utter scum and I don't believe 95% of what they claim.

[Captainslapper]

Mar 27, 2024 20:42:58 GMT 1 tockyterrier said:

Mar 27, 2024 0:40:52 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

It may well be true that those players he singled out might have ended up in a gang or something had they not been footballers...its obviously an issue for young lads growing up in certain urban environments , particularly for young black lads in London as statistics show.

But Im amazed a guy like webber, who you'd think must be an intelligent, sharp bloke to get to where hes got in his career, has singled out just black players for that comment.

Even in a scenario where those 5 players were genuinely the only players he knows who he thinks might have gone down the criminal path if they werent footballers...surely he'd think,,"hang on those are all black lads..thats going to make me look really racist if I say that,,so I best not"

Maybe he is a racist,,but if he is hes also a stupid racist.

Or maybe he singled them out, because they were the ones that "made it" from the academy .....they just happen to be black and that fact didn't cross his mind because he isn't racist and their colour didn't enter his head?

Im sure more players than them will have made it from Norwich's academy!
if what you suggest is what happened and its just a coincidence that theyre all black, then hes still been incredibly stupid and naive to mention them like that.

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Mar 27, 2024 21:58:19 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Mar 27, 2024 20:42:58 GMT 1 tockyterrier said:

Or maybe he singled them out, because they were the ones that "made it" from the academy .....they just happen to be black and that fact didn't cross his mind because he isn't racist and their colour didn't enter his head?

Im sure more players than them will have made it from Norwich's academy!
if what you suggest is what happened and its just a coincidence that theyre all black, then hes still been incredibly stupid and naive to mention them like that.

The guy has no filter.

[mosher]

Mar 27, 2024 21:23:44 GMT 1 Wagner Uber Alles said:

Mar 27, 2024 10:26:36 GMT 1 mosher said:

Mental.

Why didn't he include some white players from poor backgrounds, there's plenty of THEM around too.

Just opens himself up to accusations of racism whether he meant it that way or not.

Perhaps he really DOES think only black players come from poor backgrounds, some kind of reverse racism where he thinks he's highlighting an issue of ethnic deprivation, but has in fact shown what people nowadays call subconscious bias or whatever the term is.

Just because he didn't, doesn't mean to say that he wouldn't. Depends upon the actual questions, context, etc.

I abhor racism, nationalism, in fact any "ism". But what really riles me is the whole "trial by media", gutter press or social media, that's popped up in the past decade or so. 

Cropped comments out of context, not asking the "victim" a broader range of questions, the clickbait gutter media just hanging onto one phrase and amplifying it a thousand times. 

Then it's all lapped up by virtue signalling knobs, online judge and jury passing sentence upon whichever poor bastard 'misspoke' and ended up being boiled alive in hot oil by them...

In my book, EVERYONE has the right to reply, and the right to a proper trial. The media have become utter scum and I don't believe 95% of what they claim.

100% mate, I was actually (perhaps clumsily) trying to defend him, as I do fairly often on here when people are accused of being racist/homophobic/whatever.

And your second line re trial by media I've definitely mentioned that before on certain threads, I've even defended the prick that is Andrew when people have straight up called him a nonce, despite despising the fecker.

I even got called an apologist for Savile once, purely because I mentioned that my mam knew of one girl who was a perfectly willing participant (and instigator) who then appeared on TV "traumatised" by her experience, even though she boasted about it at school.

Don't particularly want to go down THAT rabbit hole again though