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Post by royrace on Sept 17, 2023 12:50:00 GMT 1
In that case I'd suggest sharing it on here isn't exactly fair. Chucking thinly veiled accusations around with zero substance but enough to potentially damage someone's reputation isn't on imo. I only know what I've seen which is: 1. Chairman seemingly not back the manager in the way he or any of us expected. 2. Chairman put out a very ill advised tweet basically saying the squad should be doing better, in other words a direct criticism of the coach. 3. Warnock delivering a very premeditated dig at the chairman and leadership team showing be was very unhappy about transfer dealings, broken promises and the public criticism. 4. Warnock is now leaving despite the fact he generally seems to be loving life and the team is doing well. Sometimes it's just the obvious and simple reasons. I assumed and hoped Nagle would swallow his pride and take it on the chin for the good of the club. Many wouldn't though. Is it just that he won't be criticised and humiliated like that in public? Maybe his ego won't allow it and let's face it he can afford to have a big ego. In his world he just goes and gets a replacement. As we know football isn't that simple. You are asking a very reliable poster to divulge confidential things. Why would they do that? At least they have given us some insight. But you seem to know what happened judging by your post. You seem 100% certain that it is all Nagels doing and not Neil's. Please share who told you this ...... Read my post. I said making snidey hints about someone possibly behaving in a corrupt? manner isn't fair, especially since as he admits he only has one side of the story. I didn't ask for his source or elaboration. I also said my opinion is based on what I have seen with my own eyes not what I've been told. I haven't been given any inside info whatsoever so there's nothing to share. Also I didn't say it was all Nagles doing. Publicly slating the owner was as stupid as publicly criticising the coach.
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Post by boooothy on Sept 17, 2023 12:52:25 GMT 1
Why? We’ve been desperate to get relegated since we came into the Championship. Siewart, Buzz, and a long long list of positions with no players, it’s been shite If the club was so desperate to be relegated then they’ve had plenty of opportunities to do so but here we are still a championship team!! So as I said earlier a stupid statement!! Last minute rescue jobs, chucking a million pound at Smith Rowe another million at Warnock. All down to ridiculous short term mental decisions. I’m obviously not saying anyone wants to get relegated but Bromby, Potless, Hoyle at the end and now Kevin all deserve to get relegated. I’m delighted we haven’t yet but it’s only a matter of time if we carry on making bad decisions.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Sept 17, 2023 12:58:07 GMT 1
I’m not overly fussed what happens Monday. If Warnock stays, great, if he goes, so be it. We’ve got a decent squad of players now that ‘should’ see us as a mid table team, no matter who is in charge.Rudoni and Wiles look a great pairing. Helik and Pearson doing a job. Granted we are light up front but if Koroma and Thomas can continue putting in performance then goals will follow. Managers and players come and go. It’s about the bigger picture. Where we are as a club. I think we are ok. We don’t have financial clout but we aren’t in danger of going bust and I’m looking forward to the next game, which can’t be said for a lot of clubs. I can think of a few who would take us down. Who? What realistic new manager would be guaranteed to take us down?
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Post by benhomly on Sept 17, 2023 12:58:21 GMT 1
Do you live in Portugal? Genuine question pt. If you do, how is it you seem to give the impression you’re itk? I can see if you’re in and around the club on a daily basis - like maynardblue appears to be - or are in hospitality on a match day, you may pick things up but if you live in another country thousands of miles away, how can that be? Of course, you may live partly in Portugal or have a holiday home there. I live in Portugal for several months of the year, I’m in the know on some issues around Town and the wider football world through long standing contacts within football, I certainly aren’t around the club on a daily basis. Big Phil spends a lot of time in Portugal in his villa. Are you one and the same?
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Sept 17, 2023 12:58:21 GMT 1
This has nothing to do with the press and twitter fall out and everything to do with Warnocks conduct is my info. Is rattling the owners missus ? Now that would be impressive... who knew that Neil Warnock was Love Sausage from The Boys?
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Post by specialun on Sept 17, 2023 13:01:36 GMT 1
Bit late to this
Warnock is king - keeping us up with that squad was nothing short of a miracle. Add in promotion 95
I was never a fan of him staying -1. He’d done his job beautifully, I wasn’t sure what else he could do 2. He hasn’t managed a season in what? A decade?
But having seen the lack of investment in the squad I was happy he was staying on - not a criticism of Hoyle / Nagle or whoever set the budget - just a view based on lack of investment / poor resources available
If Nagle either expected
1. more with this squad; and / or 2. Warnock not to react his keyboard antics
Then he ought to sack those advising him with immediate effect - clueless wouldn’t cut it imo!
He was at best daft with his tweet post Norwich
Warnock’s response justified imo - but clear after that (if not already) he wouldn’t be here too much longer at that point
But - Warnock was never the long term option
He was always going to leave at some point within next year - if it’s now then it’s earlier than we thought
If he is leaving …
Could be he’s leaving now rather than in international break (when he presumably decided) as we’ve secured our choice
If so p’d off why wouldn’t he have left earlier / immediately
Or he’s moving into the advisor role many anticipated in first place with new man alongside Jepson
Or this was just the plan all along
Who knows. Let’s see Monday
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Post by htafcokay on Sept 17, 2023 13:14:25 GMT 1
Bit like Nagle is a Messiah who can do no wrong. Maybe if Warnock liked a few tweets he might be on the pedestal that Nagle seems to be on? Nagle isn't on a pedestal, but I am also still struggling to see what he has done wrong. We spent money on Wiles. Fans saying he won't spend anything. We brought in Bergzorg. Apparently we haven't bought a striker. Kevs tweet has been blown way out of proportion. There wasn't a dig at NW. If anything it was the players. What Warnock did in response was worse. Petty. Yet that is overlooked. Another reason we didn't bring some people in is because they didn't want to play for Warnock. How is that Kevs fault? What has he done right?
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Post by golcarexile on Sept 17, 2023 13:18:30 GMT 1
Bit late to this Warnock is king - keeping us up with that squad was nothing short of a miracle. Add in promotion 95 I was never a fan of him staying -1. He’d done his job beautifully, I wasn’t sure what else he could do 2. He hasn’t managed a season in what? A decade? But having seen the lack of investment in the squad I was happy he was staying on - not a criticism of Hoyle / Nagle or whoever set the budget - just a view based on lack of investment / poor resources available If Nagle either expected 1. more with this squad; and / or 2. Warnock not to react his keyboard antics Then he ought to sack those advising him with immediate effect - clueless wouldn’t cut it imo! He was at best daft with his tweet post Norwich Warnock’s response justified imo - but clear after that (if not already) he wouldn’t be here too much longer at that point But - Warnock was never the long term option He was always going to leave at some point within next year - if it’s now then it’s earlier than we thought If he is leaving … Could be he’s leaving now rather than in international break (when he presumably decided) as we’ve secured our choice If so p’d off why wouldn’t he have left earlier / immediately Or he’s moving into the advisor role many anticipated in first place with new man alongside Jepson Or this was just the plan all along Who knows. Let’s see Monday I'm pretty sure bits of this post are bang on the money. Buggered if I know which bits though!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2023 13:20:48 GMT 1
Nagle isn't on a pedestal, but I am also still struggling to see what he has done wrong. We spent money on Wiles. Fans saying he won't spend anything. We brought in Bergzorg. Apparently we haven't bought a striker. Kevs tweet has been blown way out of proportion. There wasn't a dig at NW. If anything it was the players. What Warnock did in response was worse. Petty. Yet that is overlooked. Another reason we didn't bring some people in is because they didn't want to play for Warnock. How is that Kevs fault? What has he done right? He’s put hats and scarves on sale in the catering kiosks, hoping you’ll part with another tenner on top of your pint of p$sswater.
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Post by rockwall on Sept 17, 2023 13:21:04 GMT 1
Nagle isn't on a pedestal, but I am also still struggling to see what he has done wrong. We spent money on Wiles. Fans saying he won't spend anything. We brought in Bergzorg. Apparently we haven't bought a striker. Kevs tweet has been blown way out of proportion. There wasn't a dig at NW. If anything it was the players. What Warnock did in response was worse. Petty. Yet that is overlooked. Another reason we didn't bring some people in is because they didn't want to play for Warnock. How is that Kevs fault? What has he done right? I explained that to you yesterday! Go back and have a read.
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Post by htfcfcfc on Sept 17, 2023 13:22:34 GMT 1
You’re accusing me of being a bigger fan of the owner. No idea where this comes from based on what I said. I’ve stated my disappointment in NW leaving but I have no control over it and have said the next appointment is the biggest statement. In short I’m not writing off the new owners after 3 months of taking on a Sh1tshow again like the bedwetters have without so much as considering what the alternative would have been. Call them bedwetters or whatever you want. The reaction of some is embarrassing once again. The same group who on 1st September had written us off as a side that couldn’t possibly compete yet find another angle of attack when 2 weeks later we’ve just taken 6 out of 6 points. Your post is full of fear. It’s like the news. This is the worst that can happen so let’s all cr@p ourselves. We don’t even know the reason for NW leaving as yet. To reiterate. I’m gutted about NW going but my feelings towards the owner on the subject will be based on facts rather than panic and will remain optimistic that we’re not such a basket case that can’t attract another good appointment. There you go again, can't come up with a reasonable explanation and then throw out that name again. You see my comments as full of fear, but they are warnings about the failings that we have made over and over. We may get a better manager but as pointed out before the chances are we won't. Whatever the reason NW is leaving based on what the new owner has done, or rather what his team failed to do, find a striker. Now they have found a manager lets hope they are better at that. An explanation of what exactly? What part of my post can’t you grasp?
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Post by htafcokay on Sept 17, 2023 13:23:04 GMT 1
I explained that to you yesterday! Go back and have a read. And as I said, nice pies in the fanzone and a six quid pint are irrelevant. You accuse people of making out Warnock to be a Messiah yet you're doing exactly the same with Nagle. The only difference is that Warnock has done something to deserve a higher status amongst Town fans. Nagle hasn't yet.
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Post by htafcokay on Sept 17, 2023 13:24:13 GMT 1
He’s put hats and scarves on sale in the catering kiosks, hoping you’ll part with another tenner on top of your pint of p$sswater. Don't forget the documentary which tells us how much of a great guy Kevin is.
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Post by portugalterrier on Sept 17, 2023 13:27:38 GMT 1
I live in Portugal for several months of the year, I’m in the know on some issues around Town and the wider football world through long standing contacts within football, I certainly aren’t around the club on a daily basis. Big Phil spends a lot of time in Portugal in his villa. Are you one and the same? Think you will find that Big Phil bought Hoyles Algarve villa, I’m nowhere near the Algarve, hope that answers your question. 🇵🇹🏌️🌞😉
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 17, 2023 13:28:56 GMT 1
He’s put hats and scarves on sale in the catering kiosks, hoping you’ll part with another tenner on top of your pint of p$sswater. If only I bothered with the catering outlets 🤯
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Post by htafcokay on Sept 17, 2023 13:31:34 GMT 1
He’s put hats and scarves on sale in the catering kiosks, hoping you’ll part with another tenner on top of your pint of p$sswater. If only I bothered with the catering outlets 🤯 Glad it isn't just me that thinks it's irrelevant. I was at Brunton Park in April, and had the misfortune of using the toilets. It was literally a wall and a gutter! Wonder if Carlisle fans think that's a priority over what happens on the field?
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 17, 2023 13:33:01 GMT 1
I explained that to you yesterday! Go back and have a read. And as I said, nice pies in the fanzone and a six quid pint are irrelevant. You accuse people of making out Warnock to be a Messiah yet you're doing exactly the same with Nagle. The only difference is that Warnock has done something to deserve a higher status amongst Town fans. Nagle hasn't yet. That might be part of it, I'm not interested in eating or drinking at the ground and the fanzone thing is at he far end of the ground from where I'm coming from so I won't be going in there either 🤷
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 17, 2023 13:34:09 GMT 1
If only I bothered with the catering outlets 🤯 Glad it isn't just me that thinks it's irrelevant. I was at Brunton Park in April, and had the misfortune of using the toilets. It was literally a wall and a gutter! Wonder if Carlisle fans think that's a priority over what happens on the field? Those were the days. You're too young for Leeds Road aren't you, mate 😁
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Post by htafcokay on Sept 17, 2023 13:38:57 GMT 1
Glad it isn't just me that thinks it's irrelevant. I was at Brunton Park in April, and had the misfortune of using the toilets. It was literally a wall and a gutter! Wonder if Carlisle fans think that's a priority over what happens on the field? Those were the days. You're too young for Leeds Road aren't you, mate 😁 I'm not an old twat Sadly too young. Born 18 months after the last game.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 17, 2023 13:42:33 GMT 1
He’s put hats and scarves on sale in the catering kiosks, hoping you’ll part with another tenner on top of your pint of p$sswater. If only I bothered with the catering outlets 🤯 This is where I think our new owners have shown that they really do not understand football in the UK. If you watch the You Tube documentaries, you can see fans at Sacramento sat down at tables pitch side eating food. It’s a completely different ball game ( pun intended) over there. I’ve sat around the same people at the ground for the last 15 years and we talk a lot at every game. I’ve never once heard a conversation about food and drink at the ground. Whilst I accept that the catering and marketing should be set to a reasonable standard, I don’t think it’s as high profile here as it is in the US.
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Post by swam4mwg on Sept 17, 2023 14:10:11 GMT 1
Glad it isn't just me that thinks it's irrelevant. I was at Brunton Park in April, and had the misfortune of using the toilets. It was literally a wall and a gutter! Wonder if Carlisle fans think that's a priority over what happens on the field? Those were the days. You're too young for Leeds Road aren't you, mate 😁 Leeds Road! Ahead of its time. You could genuinely have a piss in the bushes at the top of the terrace and still see most of the game through the entrances. ❤️
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Post by rockwall on Sept 17, 2023 14:20:40 GMT 1
I explained that to you yesterday! Go back and have a read. And as I said, nice pies in the fanzone and a six quid pint are irrelevant. You accuse people of making out Warnock to be a Messiah yet you're doing exactly the same with Nagle. The only difference is that Warnock has done something to deserve a higher status amongst Town fans. Nagle hasn't yet. I am not doing the exact same. As states now twice, I like both. I just don't see what Nagle has done wrong to get all this negativity. It's quite pathetic to be honest.
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Post by htafcokay on Sept 17, 2023 14:27:10 GMT 1
And as I said, nice pies in the fanzone and a six quid pint are irrelevant. You accuse people of making out Warnock to be a Messiah yet you're doing exactly the same with Nagle. The only difference is that Warnock has done something to deserve a higher status amongst Town fans. Nagle hasn't yet. I am not doing the exact same. As states now twice, I like both. I just don't see what Nagle has done wrong to get all this negativity. It's quite pathetic to be honest. I don't see what Nagle has done to get so much love. That's just as pathetic.
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Post by htfcfcfc on Sept 17, 2023 14:31:20 GMT 1
I am not doing the exact same. As states now twice, I like both. I just don't see what Nagle has done wrong to get all this negativity. It's quite pathetic to be honest. I don't see what Nagle has done to get so much love. That's just as pathetic. Problem is, aside from a Couple of anonymous Twitter users allegedly calling him a legend, you’re yet to demonstrate examples of any of this supposed “love” but for some reason keep spinning a narrative around it Where is it?
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Post by harris on Sept 17, 2023 14:33:31 GMT 1
I am not doing the exact same. As states now twice, I like both. I just don't see what Nagle has done wrong to get all this negativity. It's quite pathetic to be honest. I don't see what Nagle has done to get so much love. That's just as pathetic. There’s probably more fans that don’t like him at this point. Why do you choose to ignore this?
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Post by htafcokay on Sept 17, 2023 14:35:22 GMT 1
I don't see what Nagle has done to get so much love. That's just as pathetic. Problem is, aside from a Couple of anonymous Twitter users allegedly calling him a legend, you’re yet to demonstrate any of this supposed “love” but for some reason keep spinning a narrative around it Where is it? Have you not seen the constant Twitter love-in? He gives some free Sacramento caps out at an ATT meeting and someone says because of that "we're in good hands". Numerous people claiming he "rescued the club" and one idiot even saying "if it wasn't for Nagle we'd be in League One". Various people declaring him a legend because he likes their tweets and went to The Albert and Marstons. Also because he bought some medals. Certain people on here not having a bad word said against him.
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Post by htafcokay on Sept 17, 2023 14:36:30 GMT 1
I don't see what Nagle has done to get so much love. That's just as pathetic. There’s probably more fans that don’t like him at this point. Why do you choose to ignore this? Who's ignoring it?
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Post by goodbet on Sept 17, 2023 14:45:55 GMT 1
Problem is, aside from a Couple of anonymous Twitter users allegedly calling him a legend, you’re yet to demonstrate any of this supposed “love” but for some reason keep spinning a narrative around it Where is it? Have you not seen the constant Twitter love-in? He gives some free Sacramento caps out at an ATT meeting and someone says because of that "we're in good hands". Numerous people claiming he "rescued the club" and one idiot even saying "if it wasn't for Nagle we'd be in League One". Various people declaring him a legend because he likes their tweets and went to The Albert and Marstons. Also because he bought some medals. Certain people on here not having a bad word said against him. Just try to get over it. Someone with money turns up and you will get some that will fawn all over them. The local squire doesn't turn up often enough for them to doff their caps to him so they find a new one.
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Post by htafcokay on Sept 17, 2023 14:48:26 GMT 1
Have you not seen the constant Twitter love-in? He gives some free Sacramento caps out at an ATT meeting and someone says because of that "we're in good hands". Numerous people claiming he "rescued the club" and one idiot even saying "if it wasn't for Nagle we'd be in League One". Various people declaring him a legend because he likes their tweets and went to The Albert and Marstons. Also because he bought some medals. Certain people on here not having a bad word said against him. Just try to get over it. Someone with money turns up and you will get some that will fawn all over them. The local squire doesn't turn up often enough for them to doff their caps to him so they find a new one. Just baffles me. Absolutely baffles me. The term "legend" banded about so easily to every Tom, Dick and Harry. Andy Booth is a legend. Sorba Thomas (or any other random current player) is not. Nagle has to do a hell of a lot to be classed as a legend in my eyes. Obviously I'm in a minority, I'm a dinosaur where football and football fans are concerned, but it doesn't stop me getting annoyed by it.
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 17, 2023 14:51:57 GMT 1
Just try to get over it. Someone with money turns up and you will get some that will fawn all over them. The local squire doesn't turn up often enough for them to doff their caps to him so they find a new one. Just baffles me. Absolutely baffles me. The term "legend" banded about so easily to every Tom, Dick and Harry. Andy Booth is a legend. Sorba Thomas (or any other random current player) is not. Nagle has to do a hell of a lot to be classed as a legend in my eyes. Obviously I'm in a minority, I'm a dinosaur where football and football fans are concerned, but it doesn't stop me getting annoyed by it. Can you be a dinosaur and yet not be "an old tw*t" 🤔😉😁
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