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Post by Porrohman on Sept 17, 2023 12:09:13 GMT 1
I’m just referring to the fact that you seem to pick up on any negative comments relating to NW. Whatever. Nagle is a legend. Or some sort of end 😉
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Post by willo on Sept 17, 2023 12:10:14 GMT 1
Do you live in Portugal? Genuine question pt. If you do, how is it you seem to give the impression you’re itk? I can see if you’re in and around the club on a daily basis - like maynardblue appears to be - or are in hospitality on a match day, you may pick things up but if you live in another country thousands of miles away, how can that be? Of course, you may live partly in Portugal or have a holiday home there.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Sept 17, 2023 12:10:15 GMT 1
Exactly what "typical Warnock antics" are certain posters alluding to? Well he sometimes says a naughty word beginning with “f”.
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Post by portugalterrier on Sept 17, 2023 12:10:48 GMT 1
Upto both parties to say why he might be leaving , probably “ by mutual agreement “ with “ been harder than I thought” thrown in. My info is confidential I won’t be sharing it. You know something and you won't tell us. Does that make you feel big? No, I’m disappointed that these issues have reputedly arisen.
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Post by rubicon on Sept 17, 2023 12:11:38 GMT 1
Wow, trying to get relegated? Lets put this in perspective. When I started watching in 64/65, by the time we got promoted in 69/70 we were the longest serving team in the 2nd tier at 14 years. 1956-70. ( I'll stick with 2nd tier for clarity) If you then add on two top tier years, that makes 16 years in the top two tiers. Very few will be able to remember permanent top tiers existence for any longer before that, especially of course as we were also relegated from the top tier 52-53. I doubt anyone is with us who saw us 16 years plus in the top tier, especially when you add a war in. So we achieved 2nd tier status in 2012, and here we are basically twelve years later still in those two top tiers. I fail to see how that is trying to get relegated, and if it is we're failing fucking miserably and long may it continue. Sure, we're not challenging every year like we were a lot in the 60s, but for the amount of money we chuck at it, we're batting way above average.
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Post by royrace on Sept 17, 2023 12:11:41 GMT 1
Obviously from some itk what Warnock did under Deano was accepted, but under the 'new' management its not.....Basically they want a yes man & interference on decision making to be the norm? If so then I would leave. You'd have to question the intellect of anyone who didn't realise that Warnock isn't an ordinary manager and will have many quirks that wouldn't usually be acceptable. I'd expect the circumstances under which he agreed to carry on would basically mean he does what he wants within reason aslong as he gets results.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Sept 17, 2023 12:12:27 GMT 1
You know something and you won't tell us. Does that make you feel big? No, I’m disappointed that these issues have reputedly arisen. Is the monday presser, to confirm things and maybe confirm the new manage/head coach?
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Post by iangreaves on Sept 17, 2023 12:12:56 GMT 1
I wonder if Warnock will get a call from Rotherham.
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 17, 2023 12:14:20 GMT 1
Not sure why ppl are so overreacting on the KN tweet I didn’t read it as he was criticising NW I read it like the hundred other tweets that day that the players made too many mistakes and played poor! He also added another tweet straight after that I think fans either didn’t see or chose not to see that emphasised that!!! Spot on. But did you know Warnock is a messiah who can do no wrong? We have the most successful manager in EFL history yet you back some blokes from a Colonial non league, over him 🙄
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Post by htafcokay on Sept 17, 2023 12:14:47 GMT 1
Not sure why ppl are so overreacting on the KN tweet I didn’t read it as he was criticising NW I read it like the hundred other tweets that day that the players made too many mistakes and played poor! He also added another tweet straight after that I think fans either didn’t see or chose not to see that emphasised that!!! Spot on. But did you know Warnock is a messiah who can do no wrong? Bit like Nagle is a Messiah who can do no wrong. Maybe if Warnock liked a few tweets he might be on the pedestal that Nagle seems to be on?
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Post by desertstorm on Sept 17, 2023 12:15:13 GMT 1
Obviously from some itk what Warnock did under Deano was accepted, but under the 'new' management its not.....Basically they want a yes man & interference on decision making to be the norm? If so then I would leave. You'd have to question the intellect of anyone who didn't realise that Warnock isn't an ordinary manager and will have many quirks that wouldn't usually be acceptable. I'd expect the circumstances under which he agreed to carry on would basically mean he does what he wants within reason aslong as he gets results. It’s just how far those ‘quirks’ are allowed to go before it becomes a problem. Did they affect the club adversely in any way.
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Post by Dan on Sept 17, 2023 12:15:36 GMT 1
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Post by htafcokay on Sept 17, 2023 12:15:47 GMT 1
Spot on. But did you know Warnock is a messiah who can do no wrong? We have the most successful manager in EFL history yet you back some blokes from a Colonial non league, over him 🙄 Baffles me. Genuinely one of our most successful managers and it's like we're letting Ian Ross or Chris Powell leave.
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Post by portugalterrier on Sept 17, 2023 12:16:41 GMT 1
Do you live in Portugal? Genuine question pt. If you do, how is it you seem to give the impression you’re itk? I can see if you’re in and around the club on a daily basis - like maynardblue appears to be - or are in hospitality on a match day, you may pick things up but if you live in another country thousands of miles away, how can that be? Of course, you may live partly in Portugal or have a holiday home there. I live in Portugal for several months of the year, I’m in the know on some issues around Town and the wider football world through long standing contacts within football, I certainly aren’t around the club on a daily basis.
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Post by htafcokay on Sept 17, 2023 12:16:44 GMT 1
I have scant interest in owt you've got to say, that's for certain. Enjoy trawling through more of my posts though 😘
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Post by htafcokay on Sept 17, 2023 12:17:37 GMT 1
Obviously from some itk what Warnock did under Deano was accepted, but under the 'new' management its not.....Basically they want a yes man & interference on decision making to be the norm? If so then I would leave. You'd have to question the intellect of anyone who didn't realise that Warnock isn't an ordinary manager and will have many quirks that wouldn't usually be acceptable. I'd expect the circumstances under which he agreed to carry on would basically mean he does what he wants within reason aslong as he gets results. Nagle being naive? Never!
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Post by waggers on Sept 17, 2023 12:20:03 GMT 1
I couldn’t care less what Warnock may or may not have done. He has restored some pride back in to our Club and Team. As well as retaining Championship status. I am staggered that anybody can or could have anything other than the upmost thanks and appreciation for what this Man has achieved in such a short space of time. But you aren’t investing millions of your own money. If I was investigated millions of my own money I'd be even more keen on keeping Warmock for a big chunk of this session. Not losing him in September.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 17, 2023 12:20:48 GMT 1
Ive no idea what happened Although I do know one thing. If I were a manager and got undermined by the owner on a public forum after one bad game (and after may really good ones), I'd be well pissed off. I immediately said to one of my mates that was a daft tweet, but fuck me, some of those that are going on about it take me as the sort to also go on about 'snowflakes'. Ironic or what! Saying that, I actually doubt Warnock was that bothered and just used it to his advantage, rather than being overly pissed off about it.
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Post by portugalterrier on Sept 17, 2023 12:23:36 GMT 1
No, I’m disappointed that these issues have reputedly arisen. Is the monday presser, to confirm things and maybe confirm the new manage/head coach? I was told Warnock will be going, how that is going to be handled will probably be explained on Monday, I enquired could the issues be resolved, “doubt it” was the answer. No idea whatsoever re new Head Coach/ Manager.
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Post by rockwall on Sept 17, 2023 12:24:47 GMT 1
Spot on. But did you know Warnock is a messiah who can do no wrong? Bit like Nagle is a Messiah who can do no wrong. Maybe if Warnock liked a few tweets he might be on the pedestal that Nagle seems to be on? Nagle isn't on a pedestal, but I am also still struggling to see what he has done wrong. We spent money on Wiles. Fans saying he won't spend anything. We brought in Bergzorg. Apparently we haven't bought a striker. Kevs tweet has been blown way out of proportion. There wasn't a dig at NW. If anything it was the players. What Warnock did in response was worse. Petty. Yet that is overlooked. Another reason we didn't bring some people in is because they didn't want to play for Warnock. How is that Kevs fault?
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Sept 17, 2023 12:25:48 GMT 1
Not sure why ppl are so overreacting on the KN tweet I didn’t read it as he was criticising NW I read it like the hundred other tweets that day that the players made too many mistakes and played poor! He also added another tweet straight after that I think fans either didn’t see or chose not to see that emphasised that!!! Neither am I. Think people have heard rumours that NW is leaving, and assumed it was over the KN tweets post-Norwich. I can't see Warnock being so petty about that, so if they've had a falling out there must be more to it than just an accurate if slightly undiplomatic tweet. NW is known as a bit of a marmite character in the game, so it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that he's rubbed the wrong person up the wrong way.
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Post by rockwall on Sept 17, 2023 12:27:13 GMT 1
Spot on. But did you know Warnock is a messiah who can do no wrong? We have the most successful manager in EFL history yet you back some blokes from a Colonial non league, over him 🙄 I am not backing anyone. As I said yesterday. I like both. But whatever happens, happens. They have both been as bad as eachother. Warnock could commit mass murder and many on here would defend him.
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Post by Dan on Sept 17, 2023 12:30:12 GMT 1
We have the most successful manager in EFL history yet you back some blokes from a Colonial non league, over him 🙄 I am not backing anyone. As I said yesterday. I like both. But whatever happens, happens. They have both been as bad as eachother. Warnock could commit mass murder and many on here would defend him. That isn't allowed. Someone has to be the hero and someone has to be enemy that we're all frothing at the mouth about.
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Sept 17, 2023 12:33:00 GMT 1
Hard to fathom this is the same bloke that wrote that excellent Brian Horton article. Then again, it's hard to fathom that the brilliant man-manager and successful coach Neil Warnock is the same bloke that (allegedly) wanted to set up a dodgy financial arrangement involving a club shop, or did some under-the-table deals with players at QPR, or knew a bloke who knew a bloke who had a plane... There are many sides to most people, and it's rare that all of them are squeaky clean.
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Post by htfcfcfc on Sept 17, 2023 12:36:27 GMT 1
Correct. A sound bite from probably at most 2 anonymous Twitter uses to feed the narrative he/she wants to put across. Yawn
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Post by bentley316 on Sept 17, 2023 12:37:09 GMT 1
I was hoping he would last to November time to allow the new guy in, see the lay of the land and get ready for January window.
But depending what else comes out tomorrow Warnock until September has given us:
3 months to properly look for his replacement
An experienced head to review the squad and clear what he thinks the deadwood is (and take the fall for it so the new guy comes in clean)
Oversee the window so the new guy knows exactly what he has until Jan
Set a rough blueprint tactically which has shown to be effective
Take the initial pressure off which the rearly tough fixtures could have caused (1 point from the first 4 games couldve been disaster for a new face)
Ultimately, we dont know what Warnock agreed to when he joined and what Nagle wanted from him. This could (twitter/pressrt snippiness aside) have been exactly what was agreed.
There are obviously a lot of negatives from this approach too but im going to try and be positive until tomorrow.
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Post by morleyterrier on Sept 17, 2023 12:37:18 GMT 1
I couldn’t care less what Warnock may or may not have done. He has restored some pride back in to our Club and Team. As well as retaining Championship status. I am staggered that anybody can or could have anything other than the upmost thanks and appreciation for what this Man has achieved in such a short space of time. But you aren’t investing millions of your own money. No, and if I was. I wouldn’t be stupid enough to not recognise and protect the most important asset at the Club.
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Post by bentley316 on Sept 17, 2023 12:38:41 GMT 1
I was hoping he would last to November time to allow the new guy in, see the lay of the land and get ready for January window.
But depending what else comes out tomorrow Warnock until September has given us:
- 3 months to properly look for his replacement
- An experienced head to review the squad and clear what he thinks the deadwood is (and take the fall for it so the new guy comes in clean)
- Oversee the window so the new guy knows exactly what he has until Jan
- Set a rough blueprint tactically which has shown to be effective
- Take the initial pressure off which the early tough fixtures could have caused (1 point from the first 4 games couldve been disaster for a new face)
Ultimately, we dont know what Warnock agreed to when he joined and what Nagle wanted from him. This could (twitter/presser snippiness aside) have been exactly what was agreed.
There are obviously a lot of negatives from this approach too but im going to try and be positive until tomorrow because im a happy clapping mug.
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Post by goodbet on Sept 17, 2023 12:41:50 GMT 1
No one is saying that there isn't a manager out there who can get a tune out of the players. We have just seen that we have employed two managers that couldn't. We couldn't find a striker but we can find a manager? Maybe we can find one who will take what he is given and roll over. We had top 6 form because we got Warnock in. Get another and we could go back to getting Schofield or Buzz results depending who we bring in. Your use of the term bedwetters does not help you to look well reasoned. We only lost 1-0 to Leicester but we never looked like matching them did we. You would be disappointed if NW left but you appear to be a bigger fan of the owner than the club. NW was not a long term appointment but bringing in another manager now when he can't bring in any players appears to be a poor time for the change. Again I hear that we are going to invest at the end of the season, I haven't see this anywhere so have I missed the announcement or are people trying to show support the new owner above the club? You’re accusing me of being a bigger fan of the owner. No idea where this comes from based on what I said. I’ve stated my disappointment in NW leaving but I have no control over it and have said the next appointment is the biggest statement. In short I’m not writing off the new owners after 3 months of taking on a Sh1tshow again like the bedwetters have without so much as considering what the alternative would have been. Call them bedwetters or whatever you want. The reaction of some is embarrassing once again. The same group who on 1st September had written us off as a side that couldn’t possibly compete yet find another angle of attack when 2 weeks later we’ve just taken 6 out of 6 points. Your post is full of fear. It’s like the news. This is the worst that can happen so let’s all cr@p ourselves. We don’t even know the reason for NW leaving as yet. To reiterate. I’m gutted about NW going but my feelings towards the owner on the subject will be based on facts rather than panic and will remain optimistic that we’re not such a basket case that can’t attract another good appointment. There you go again, can't come up with a reasonable explanation and then throw out that name again. You see my comments as full of fear, but they are warnings about the failings that we have made over and over. We may get a better manager but as pointed out before the chances are we won't. Whatever the reason NW is leaving based on what the new owner has done, or rather what his team failed to do, find a striker. Now they have found a manager lets hope they are better at that.
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Sept 17, 2023 12:45:40 GMT 1
Quite a few people talking as though Warnock is deciding to go. I thought it was Nagle making the move, presumably because Warnock retaliated it that press conference? This has nothing to do with the press and twitter fall out and everything to do with Warnocks conduct is my info. Is rattling the owners missus ?
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