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Post by Sparrow on Sept 18, 2023 13:48:37 GMT 1
I would imagine there has been quite a lot going on behind the scene's that we'll never really know about.
I am sure there have been disagreements and some arguments / tough words between NW and Nagle.
However, I'm not sure I buy the idea that he has been pushed out or sacked etc. I think that quite simply they have found the man they want to take the club forward and have decided or needed to move for him now, rather than wait.
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Post by midlander on Sept 18, 2023 13:48:43 GMT 1
NW: "I've always got on with Jake, funnily enough, I feel as if I've done my job now. I've seen rumours I've blown up or been fed up, but I've got a great relationship with the Club. "Whoever comes in is a lucky man. They'll be getting a great squad here." #htafc No, that doesn't fit the dramatic narrative. 😊
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Sept 18, 2023 13:48:47 GMT 1
So many good memories created at the end of last season, the emotion and love for Town came flooding back after a depressing season up to the point of Warnock and Ronnie walking back through the doors.
Just a shame he isn't 10 years younger and able to be here longer term. Having watched parts of the press conference and read the Clubs statement I am sorry that he has to go now but think the Club are doing it because they believe they have someone available now who probably wouldn't be in May.
It's a big gamble because Neil Warnock would have kept us up.
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Post by willo on Sept 18, 2023 13:48:59 GMT 1
So let’s get this right. Despite the crock flying around on social media over the weekend, Warnock isn’t ill, his wife isn’t ill and the travelling up and down from Cornwall is not a big issue. He’s going because they want him out likely after his response to Nagle’s tweet following the Norwich game. Dress it up all you want but that’s the reason, subordination. So for a second time in his Town career, he’s been shafted and after delivering what most thought impossible when he was appointed, Championship survival. “Thanks for everything Neil, now fuck off” is how it reads to me. We’ve just given the boot to our best opportunity of staying (scraping) up another season. I almost hope it comes back to bite us on the arse, he gets another job and turns us over next March with another team. I know the fans will be right behind him on Wednesday night and hope the board get the messsge cos they sure as hell haven’t been listening since July. And the new guy better be some sort of world beater as anything less and he’s already up against it. Thanks for everything Neil, a true legend!
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Post by samhudds on Sept 18, 2023 13:49:44 GMT 1
This either going to be an absolute masterstroke, or the fall of Nagle before it has even started. I get the method in providing stability, allowing time to find the right person, and if it works then fair play... really, fair play. HOWEVER, what a bold move, and one with huge risk attached. If this fails, and the new person and team flop, Kev is going to get absolutely slaughtered. I feel for Neil, not the way he would have wanted it to end. From everyone attached to the club, thankyou, you are an absolute legend. Roll on the news of the appointment, fully expecting it to be no one I've heard of.... Get it right Kev, please Out of interest, if for instance we brought in someone like Potter who i think most fans would say would be an amazing appointment. If Potter then struggles does Nagle still get the beating you're suggesting? Lets be honest, it's not going to be someone like Potter. If it was Potter, and he failed, then I've got to say, I would have made the same decision. However, the likelihood is its not going to be someone of that calibre, so the fact he took Neil out of his position just when things were starting to tick will always be a huge risk. Not having a go, just hope for his sake its the right decision
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Post by CurlyWurly on Sept 18, 2023 13:49:51 GMT 1
See Josh Ruffels is represented by the agency Warnock's son works for, along with Pearson, Nicholls and Jackson. Three players that were already here and arguably Ruffles deserved it? Not really sure what you're getting at
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Post by willo on Sept 18, 2023 13:50:26 GMT 1
The lack of comprehension on here is truly amazing. All parties have been open and seemingly honest. I think this has been done sensitively and respectfully toward Neil and his team Why does Neil look so pissed off then?
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Post by thomo on Sept 18, 2023 13:50:54 GMT 1
The lack of comprehension on here is truly amazing. All parties have been open and seemingly honest. I think this has been done sensitively and respectfully toward Neil and his team Patronising comment. It's about timing. The new manager has to work with a squad made up mainly of players that were failing to deal with the demands of the championship before Neil arrived. I don't think some fans comprehend how much Neil made bad players into good ones (or inconsistent ones into consistent ones) and how quickly that could be reversed. I feel the new manager could be in for a rude awakening and with 18 games until he can bring his own players in, we could be in the shit by Xmas. I'd have no problem if the new manager had 5 or 6 games before he could bring new players in.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 18, 2023 13:50:57 GMT 1
See Josh Ruffels is represented by the agency Warnock's son works for, along with Pearson, Nicholls and Jackson. Maybe so. But I watched Ruffles on Saturday. He’s a player transformed.
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Post by Tiro on Sept 18, 2023 13:50:57 GMT 1
I have an awful feeling about all this, i have just had a text off my mate who is a massive Town fan in Canada asking what is going on. Sorry, what's the connection between your mate texting from Canada and you feeling awful about something you don't yet have an idea of? Or does something coincidentally go wrong every time they text?
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Post by iangreaves on Sept 18, 2023 13:51:29 GMT 1
So let’s get this right. Despite the crock flying around on social media over the weekend, Warnock isn’t ill, his wife isn’t ill and the travelling up and down from Cornwall is not a big issue. He’s going because they want him out likely after his response to Nagle’s tweet following the Norwich game. Dress it up all you want but that’s the reason, subordination. So for a second time in his Town career, he’s been shafted and after delivering what most thought impossible when he was appointed, Championship survival. “Thanks for everything Neil, now fuck off” is how it reads to me. We’ve just given the boot to our best opportunity of staying (scraping) up another season. I almost hope it comes back to bite us on the arse, he gets another job and turns us over next March with another team. I know the fans will be right behind him on Wednesday night and hope the board get the messsge cos they sure as hell haven’t been listening since July. And the new guy better be some sort of world beater as anything less and he’s already up against it. Thanks for everything Neil, a true legend! Warnock to pull off great escape 2 at Rotherham?
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Post by Tiro on Sept 18, 2023 13:52:26 GMT 1
See Josh Ruffels is represented by the agency Warnock's son works for, along with Pearson, Nicholls and Jackson. Now officially the best left-back in the division
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Post by willo on Sept 18, 2023 13:52:28 GMT 1
So many good memories created at the end of last season, the emotion and love for Town came flooding back after a depressing season up to the point of Warnock and Ronnie walking back through the doors. Just a shame he isn't 10 years younger and able to be here longer term. Having watched parts of the press conference and read the Clubs statement I am sorry that he has to go now but think the Club are doing it because they believe they have someone available now who probably wouldn't be in May. It's a big gamble because Neil Warnock would have kept us up. Which is fine if this man is not Jan Siewart part 2, ie an untried and untested rookie from Europe or the States.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Sept 18, 2023 13:52:29 GMT 1
Out of interest, if for instance we brought in someone like Potter who i think most fans would say would be an amazing appointment. If Potter then struggles does Nagle still get the beating you're suggesting? Brian Potter would be amazing. KN - I want to get to PL in 3 years BP - and I wanna moonwalk son but life’s a shithouse.
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Post by ruggedivy on Sept 18, 2023 13:52:38 GMT 1
See Josh Ruffels is represented by the agency Warnock's son works for, along with Pearson, Nicholls and Jackson. Interestingly Warnock called out Ruffels in the press conference and described him as the best left back in the league
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Sept 18, 2023 13:52:43 GMT 1
Nobody's taken any notice To be fair I"m not sure most people have the time to go through 40 pages, seems like most are commenting without reading the previous posts.
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Post by harris on Sept 18, 2023 13:53:15 GMT 1
So let’s get this right. Despite the crock flying around on social media over the weekend, Warnock isn’t ill, his wife isn’t ill and the travelling up and down from Cornwall is not a big issue. He’s going because they want him out likely after his response to Nagle’s tweet following the Norwich game. Dress it up all you want but that’s the reason, subordination. So for a second time in his Town career, he’s been shafted and after delivering what most thought impossible when he was appointed, Championship survival. “Thanks for everything Neil, now fuck off” is how it reads to me. We’ve just given the boot to our best opportunity of staying (scraping) up another season. I almost hope it comes back to bite us on the arse, he gets another job and turns us over next March with another team. I know the fans will be right behind him on Wednesday night and hope the board get the messsge cos they sure as hell haven’t been listening since July. And the new guy better be some sort of world beater as anything less and he’s already up against it. Thanks for everything Neil, a true legend! Warnock to pull off great escape 2 at Rotherham? QPR within a couple of months - would bet my house on it😂
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Post by willo on Sept 18, 2023 13:54:45 GMT 1
So let’s get this right. Despite the crock flying around on social media over the weekend, Warnock isn’t ill, his wife isn’t ill and the travelling up and down from Cornwall is not a big issue. He’s going because they want him out likely after his response to Nagle’s tweet following the Norwich game. Dress it up all you want but that’s the reason, subordination. So for a second time in his Town career, he’s been shafted and after delivering what most thought impossible when he was appointed, Championship survival. “Thanks for everything Neil, now fuck off” is how it reads to me. We’ve just given the boot to our best opportunity of staying (scraping) up another season. I almost hope it comes back to bite us on the arse, he gets another job and turns us over next March with another team. I know the fans will be right behind him on Wednesday night and hope the board get the messsge cos they sure as hell haven’t been listening since July. And the new guy better be some sort of world beater as anything less and he’s already up against it. Thanks for everything Neil, a true legend! Warnock to pull off great escape 2 at Rotherham? Or somewhere. You wouldn’t bet against it.
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Post by midlander on Sept 18, 2023 13:56:25 GMT 1
See Josh Ruffels is represented by the agency Warnock's son works for, along with Pearson, Nicholls and Jackson. Maybe so. But I watched Ruffles on Saturday. He’s a player transformed. I agree. He has been excellent. I was only looking at who was represented by that agency due to others alluding to the fact that there is some issue with NW's son in all of this. However good he has been, most wouldn't have given Ruffels another contract.
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Post by iangreaves on Sept 18, 2023 13:56:52 GMT 1
Warnock to pull off great escape 2 at Rotherham? Or somewhere. You wouldn’t bet against it. At our expense?
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Sept 18, 2023 13:57:03 GMT 1
Warnock to pull off great escape 2 at Rotherham? QPR within a couple of months - would bet my house on it😂 When he took over at Town he said very few clubs would tempt him back - Cardiff and QPR being the other two that he mentioned.
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Post by bigtruck on Sept 18, 2023 13:57:52 GMT 1
Out of interest, if for instance we brought in someone like Potter who i think most fans would say would be an amazing appointment. If Potter then struggles does Nagle still get the beating you're suggesting? Lets be honest, it's not going to be someone like Potter. If it was Potter, and he failed, then I've got to say, I would have made the same decision. However, the likelihood is its not going to be someone of that calibre, so the fact he took Neil out of his position just when things were starting to tick will always be a huge risk. Not having a go, just hope for his sake its the right decision No completely agree. The flip of that argument is that to have done this now when we're improving and moving up the table, the new manager has to be in the Potter/Hassenhuttl type etc. and not a Jones or a Wilder.
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Post by royrace on Sept 18, 2023 13:58:16 GMT 1
Out of interest, if for instance we brought in someone like Potter who i think most fans would say would be an amazing appointment. If Potter then struggles does Nagle still get the beating you're suggesting? Lets be honest, it's not going to be someone like Potter. If it was Potter, and he failed, then I've got to say, I would have made the same decision. However, the likelihood is its not going to be someone of that calibre, so the fact he took Neil out of his position just when things were starting to tick will always be a huge risk. Not having a go, just hope for his sake its the right decision ... and of course any coach would be happy to wait a period of time, especially if being paid, the fact its being rushed tells you all you need to know regardless of what the gullible will convince themselves. Announced on Friday, takes the team for Cov away on Monday?! All part of the plan you say...OK
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Post by Paphos Terrier on Sept 18, 2023 13:58:17 GMT 1
Isn't the next manager a foreign manager that's being touted around. He must be good with a great pedigree to get top players to sign on at Town with this 3 year plan to get back to the Premier league. We will soon find out
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Post by royrace on Sept 18, 2023 14:00:30 GMT 1
See Josh Ruffels is represented by the agency Warnock's son works for, along with Pearson, Nicholls and Jackson. Interestingly Warnock called out Ruffels in the press conference and described him as the best left back in the league I think he considers Ruffles his finest work and I'm tempted to agree, talk about turning water into wine, written off by everyone and understandably so as he was absolutely terrible before NW.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2023 14:00:33 GMT 1
He's just said he has the buzz back for management and sounds like he doesn't want to go... he's said it's always been Kev's decision for him to go when Kev wanted not him... and the time is now. Risky AF. He does not want to go. Oh f*ck. Please don't put that smug picture up again
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Post by Tiro on Sept 18, 2023 14:01:25 GMT 1
The lack of comprehension on here is truly amazing. All parties have been open and seemingly honest. I think this has been done sensitively and respectfully toward Neil and his team Patronising comment. It's about timing. The new manager has to work with a squad made up mainly of players that were failing to deal with the demands of the championship before Neil arrived. I don't think some fans comprehend how much Neil made bad players into good ones and how quickly that could be reversed. I feel the new manager could be in for a rude awakening and with 18 games until he can bring his own players in, we could be in the shit by Xmas. I'd have no problem if the new manager had 5 or 6 games before he could bring new players in. There's no good time for NW to go; Town fans' wouldn't be happy whatever. Time will tell. There's no point speculating over this scenario and that scenario. NW was here on an interim basis - he knew it, we knew it. The club think they have found the person they want to succeed NW, but have recognised that person wont wait or be available later - NW alluded to that by saying he couldn't stay beyond Stoke. The club feel that this person is too good to lose and have struck - if they don't strike, they're criticised for being ponderous and when they do its a disaster. If it wasn't amicable, NW wouldn't have stayed for either Rotherham or Stoke. He's disappointed because the club have been fair and honored their agreement with him, but it has come quicker than he expected. Why must Town fans always look for a conspiracy?
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Sept 18, 2023 14:04:14 GMT 1
Well, what a kick in the crown jewels that is, the king is leaving What an absolutely, thoroughly, bloody nice bloke. Lets not forget Rocket Ron, the dynamic duo.
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Post by Leporid on Sept 18, 2023 14:04:20 GMT 1
In summary then, Neil Warnock is leaving a bit earlier than he envisaged.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 18, 2023 14:08:26 GMT 1
Patronising comment. It's about timing. The new manager has to work with a squad made up mainly of players that were failing to deal with the demands of the championship before Neil arrived. I don't think some fans comprehend how much Neil made bad players into good ones and how quickly that could be reversed. I feel the new manager could be in for a rude awakening and with 18 games until he can bring his own players in, we could be in the shit by Xmas. I'd have no problem if the new manager had 5 or 6 games before he could bring new players in. There's no good time for NW to go; Town fans' wouldn't be happy whatever. Time will tell. There's no point speculating over this scenario and that scenario. NW was here on an interim basis - he knew it, we knew it. The club think they have found the person they want to succeed NW, but have recognised that person wont wait or be available later - NW alluded to that by saying he count stay beyond Stoke. The club feel that this person is too good to loose and have struck - if they don't strike, they're criticised for being ponderous and when they do its a disaster. If it wasn't amicable, NW wouldn't have stayed for either Rotherham or Stoke. He's disappointed because the club have been fair and hounoured their agreement with him, but it has come quicker than he expected. Why must Town fans always look for a conspiracy? Stop talking sense… If NW is pissed off, it’s probably because the club have triggered a release clause without having to go beyond the point where they might have had to pay him the full 1yr contract. If I was the club & negotiating a contract that I always knew was going to be interim, I’d make sure I had such break clauses in there. But there I am, adding to the speculative bollocks… 😂 Roll on Wed, give a decent send off for the last few months & look forward to the future.
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