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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 19, 2023 10:35:10 GMT 1
The best ones are the incoherent alcoholics in the corner who keep vaguely alluding to Warnock and his son without actual saying anything. Missed loads of previous posts….what’s the story with NW and his son? His real Dad is Roy Hodgson…
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Post by dugnet on Sept 19, 2023 10:37:25 GMT 1
Thankfully balanced by those posters for whom the club can do no wrong eh Slapps? You mean balanced by posters who understand the club have done what they were always going to do and had to do at some point? I honestly think some people just get off on hysterical over-reaction. I go to the games with one...apparently we're doomed to go down now and the next manager is shit...before he even knows who it is. Its laughable. You make a fair point but you must admit, on the back of a season that Warnock miraculously rescued, that Neil staying a bit longer would likely have achieved some stability. As I posted earlier was this really the plan or did something exacerbate a need to accelerate the plan? To be fair now the decision has been taken it probably doesn't make much difference. However, if form on the pitch suffers, and I sincerely hope it doesn't, a narrative is created which drives a wedge between the fans and the club. Time will tell now but I would prefer it was part of a bigger plan rather than a squabble. If it was a squabble then you have to question if people really are looking at the bigger picture. The bigger picture, for me, is comfortably maintaining Championship status while the plans around the stadium and academy can be developed for the longer term. As I said NW was likely to keep us in the Championship. I hope the next cab on the rank is similarly able, and to be fair they might very well be. It's going to be an interesting few weeks for sure.
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Post by Dan on Sept 19, 2023 10:38:38 GMT 1
There’s some absolute nutters on this forum. The best ones are the incoherent alcoholics in the corner who keep vaguely alluding to Warnock and his son without actual saying anything. I honestly don't think anyone needs to hear any more detail really. There is no need for Warnock's great reputation with this club to be soured (not that it would be anyway for me). Just a gentle nudge from a few reliable posters that there's a bit more to it than a tweet and a press conference is enough for me. Warnock can still leave the hero.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 19, 2023 11:04:13 GMT 1
You mean balanced by posters who understand the club have done what they were always going to do and had to do at some point? I honestly think some people just get off on hysterical over-reaction. I go to the games with one...apparently we're doomed to go down now and the next manager is shit...before he even knows who it is. Its laughable. You make a fair point but you must admit, on the back of a season that Warnock miraculously rescued, that Neil staying a bit longer would likely have achieved some stability. As I posted earlier was this really the plan or did something exacerbate a need to accelerate the plan? To be fair now the decision has been taken it probably doesn't make much difference. However, if firm on the pitch suffers, and I sincerely hope it doesn't, a narrative is created which drives a wedge between the fans and the club. Time will tell now but I would prefer it was part of a bigger plan rather than a squabble. If it was a squabble then you have to question if people really are looking at the bigger picture. The bigger picture, for me, is comfortably maintaining Championship status while the plans around the stadium and academy can be developed for the longer term. As I said NW was likely to keep us in the Championship. I hope the next cab on the rank is similarly able, and to be fair they might very well be. It's going to be an interesting few weeks for sure. I didnt pick up on any ill feeling from either side in that press conference. All seemed very amicable really. I dont think Nagles tweet about results being unacceptable after Norwich was very helpful but he wasnt saying anything anyone else wasnt thinking...3 defeats and a draw from 4 games isnt good enough obviously. He didnt say the performances were unacceptable..just the results. I do wish he'd give the tweeting a rest though and the comment clearly irked Warnock a bit. But I think in terms of why they asked Warnock to stay on, then its been achieved....theyve been given time to put the board together...the people who make decisions...and now theyre in a position to actually make a decision and appoint a manager to go forward with. Warnock was never that man through his own choice. He didnt really want to do the job and had his arm twisted a bit by how much he enjoyed it and how the fans are with him and agreed to do it going into this season. He clearly expected it to be a bit longer yet but the ducks have been put in a row quicker than they imagined they would and he accepts that. But hes seen us through to this point...taken care of pre season and the summer transfer decisions ( getting rid of a lot of dead wood mainly ) and as he says himself the squad now is actually not bad..its competitive provided we dont get too many injuries. So I think we are stable and its not a bad position at all for a new manager to come in. Just got to hope they make a good decision but as ever its always a bit of a stab in the dark.
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 19, 2023 11:07:12 GMT 1
You've changed your assertion a bit, but it was not before the WBA game...this is lined up at the right point if you hit play... Splitting hairs now aren't we Not really. You wrote. Someone else correctly wrote And you wrote . He didn't confirm that he'd been told before the WBA game that he'd been replaced. Thats all!
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Post by rocky on Sept 19, 2023 11:09:05 GMT 1
The best ones are the incoherent alcoholics in the corner who keep vaguely alluding to Warnock and his son without actual saying anything. I honestly don't think anyone needs to hear any more detail really. There is no need for Warnock's great reputation with this club to be soured (not that it would be anyway for me). Just a gentle nudge from a few reliable posters that there's a bit more to it than a tweet and a press conference is enough for me. Warnock can still leave the hero. Think I'm coming round to this view as well. To justify the club's decision, there simply has to be more to this than what is currently in the public domain at present. It's still terrible news though. Given the budget limitations, the only realistic target this season is to avoid relegation and there's no one better at doing that in the Championship than Warnock.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Sept 19, 2023 11:11:13 GMT 1
The big question is there anybody available who could do a better job than Neil Warnock with the present squad and we are about to find out
The club must feel that there is a better manager they can bring in and this is one massive gamble which cannot fail after our massive respect for Neil.
I cannot believe they are replacing Neil as feel the best from him was yet to come
I thank him for all he has done for the club and wish him all the best for the future
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 19, 2023 11:13:49 GMT 1
I honestly don't think anyone needs to hear any more detail really. There is no need for Warnock's great reputation with this club to be soured (not that it would be anyway for me). Just a gentle nudge from a few reliable posters that there's a bit more to it than a tweet and a press conference is enough for me. Warnock can still leave the hero. Think I'm coming round to this view as well. To justify the club's decision, there simply has to be more to this than what is currently in the public domain at present. It's still terrible news though. Given the budget limitations, the only realistic target this season is to avoid relegation and there's no one better at doing that in the Championship than Warnock. Sorry but thats nonsense. Someone called Rocky should have a bit of fighting spirit! This teams is perfectly capable of finishing top half and even pushing for top 6 provided we dont have too many injuries.
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Post by Stiggy on Sept 19, 2023 11:13:52 GMT 1
The more I think about this the more I think it's definitely a fall out behind the scenes. It just doesn't make sense for Colin to be replaced at this point in the season. I guess we'll find out because if it was planned I suspect someone will be in straight away after tomorrows game.
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Post by Dan on Sept 19, 2023 11:16:04 GMT 1
The more I think about this the more I think it's definitely a fall out behind the scenes. It just doesn't make sense for Colin to be replaced at this point in the season. I guess we'll find out because if it was planned I suspect someone will be in straight away after tomorrows game. Jake Edwards has already said the new manager is sorted and will be announced towards the end of the week. Probably Thursday after the Stoke game.
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Post by dugnet on Sept 19, 2023 11:16:20 GMT 1
You make a fair point but you must admit, on the back of a season that Warnock miraculously rescued, that Neil staying a bit longer would likely have achieved some stability. As I posted earlier was this really the plan or did something exacerbate a need to accelerate the plan? To be fair now the decision has been taken it probably doesn't make much difference. However, if firm on the pitch suffers, and I sincerely hope it doesn't, a narrative is created which drives a wedge between the fans and the club. Time will tell now but I would prefer it was part of a bigger plan rather than a squabble. If it was a squabble then you have to question if people really are looking at the bigger picture. The bigger picture, for me, is comfortably maintaining Championship status while the plans around the stadium and academy can be developed for the longer term. As I said NW was likely to keep us in the Championship. I hope the next cab on the rank is similarly able, and to be fair they might very well be. It's going to be an interesting few weeks for sure. I didnt pick up on any ill feeling from either side in that press conference. All seemed very amicable really. I dont think Nagles tweet about results being unacceptable after Norwich was very helpful but he wasnt saying anything anyone else wasnt thinking...3 defeats and a draw from 4 games isnt good enough obviously. He didnt say the performances were unacceptable..just the results. I do wish he'd give the tweeting a rest though and the comment clearly irked Warnock a bit. But I think in terms of why they asked Warnock to stay on, then its been achieved....theyve been given time to put the board together...the people who make decisions...and now theyre in a position to actually make a decision and appoint a manager to go forward with. Warnock was never that man through his own choice. He didnt really want to do the job and had his arm twisted a bit by how much he enjoyed it and how the fans are with him and agreed to do it going into this season. He clearly expected it to be a bit longer yet but the ducks have been put in a row quicker than they imagined they would and he accepts that. But hes seen us through to this point...taken care of pre season and the summer transfer decisions ( getting rid of a lot of dead wood mainly ) and as he says himself the squad now is actually not bad..its competitive provided we dont get too many injuries. So I think we are stable and its not a bad position at all for a new manager to come in. Just got to hope they make a good decision but as ever its always a bit of a stab in the dark. I suppose if this was all part of the bigger plan, noting that whoever is next is not guaranteed to be successful, who it is will either support the narrative of the long term vision or raise questions. It is about credibility for me. Statements have been made, I hope the actions match those - as it stands there is nothing to suggest they won't so we'll see.
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Post by King Neil on Sept 19, 2023 11:16:48 GMT 1
Splitting hairs now aren't we Not really. You wrote. Someone else correctly wrote And you wrote . He didn't confirm that he'd been told before the WBA game that he'd been replaced. Thats all! Before/after what's the difference? It was the game after tweetgate and that's the real reason Now if you want to blindly follow any leader without ever questioning things then fair enough...I believe in freedom of speech But like I said in an earlier post I don't have any friends or family that I spoke to yesterday that agree and are happy with this!..only a select few on here
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 19, 2023 11:17:00 GMT 1
The more I think about this the more I think it's definitely a fall out behind the scenes. It just doesn't make sense for Colin to be replaced at this point in the season.I guess we'll find out because if it was planned I suspect someone will be in straight away after tomorrows game. It does if the person theyve identified as who they want as manager going forward has become available. If thats the case ( and it seems it is ) then they'd be daft to miss out on that person just to allow our temporary manager a bit longer in the job!
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 19, 2023 11:18:47 GMT 1
I didnt pick up on any ill feeling from either side in that press conference. All seemed very amicable really. I dont think Nagles tweet about results being unacceptable after Norwich was very helpful but he wasnt saying anything anyone else wasnt thinking...3 defeats and a draw from 4 games isnt good enough obviously. He didnt say the performances were unacceptable..just the results. I do wish he'd give the tweeting a rest though and the comment clearly irked Warnock a bit. But I think in terms of why they asked Warnock to stay on, then its been achieved....theyve been given time to put the board together...the people who make decisions...and now theyre in a position to actually make a decision and appoint a manager to go forward with. Warnock was never that man through his own choice. He didnt really want to do the job and had his arm twisted a bit by how much he enjoyed it and how the fans are with him and agreed to do it going into this season. He clearly expected it to be a bit longer yet but the ducks have been put in a row quicker than they imagined they would and he accepts that. But hes seen us through to this point...taken care of pre season and the summer transfer decisions ( getting rid of a lot of dead wood mainly ) and as he says himself the squad now is actually not bad..its competitive provided we dont get too many injuries. So I think we are stable and its not a bad position at all for a new manager to come in. Just got to hope they make a good decision but as ever its always a bit of a stab in the dark. I suppose if this was all part of the bigger plan, noting that whoever is next is not guaranteed to be successful, who it is will either support the narrative of the long term vision or raise questions. It is about credibility for me. Statements have been made, I hope the actions match those - as it stands there is nothing to suggest they won't so we'll see. If the next guy struggles then everyone will give them pelters for replacing warnock with him...thats just the nature of the game. Its all about results end of the day. If the next guy does really well then no one will be bothered we let warnock go when we have.
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 19, 2023 11:21:55 GMT 1
I have to admit it appeared that Edwards was squirming throughout that entire press conference.
I don't think we have the full story at all but as was said yesterday, Warnock himself said he only expected to stay until Xmas. Its happened a couple of months early, big deal.
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Post by runner76 on Sept 19, 2023 11:21:56 GMT 1
The big question is there anybody available who could do a better job than Neil Warnock and sadly feel the answer to that is doubt it But the most he was doing was this season so we would have been roughly in the same boat at the end of the season, just less of a shock on the timing, but if Nagle has a 3 year plan that clearly needs to start sooner than later with a 3 year manager plan.....
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Post by rocky on Sept 19, 2023 11:24:10 GMT 1
Think I'm coming round to this view as well. To justify the club's decision, there simply has to be more to this than what is currently in the public domain at present. It's still terrible news though. Given the budget limitations, the only realistic target this season is to avoid relegation and there's no one better at doing that in the Championship than Warnock. Sorry but thats nonsense. Someone called Rocky should have a bit of fighting spirit! This teams is perfectly capable of finishing top half and even pushing for top 6 provided we dont have too many injuries. That's why it's not nonsense. We will have lots of injuries throughout the season (most clubs do). That's the whole point and is one that Warnock himself has previously made many times, including at yesterdays' press conference.
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 19, 2023 11:25:20 GMT 1
The best ones are the incoherent alcoholics in the corner who keep vaguely alluding to Warnock and his son without actual saying anything. I honestly don't think anyone needs to hear any more detail really. There is no need for Warnock's great reputation with this club to be soured (not that it would be anyway for me). Just a gentle nudge from a few reliable posters that there's a bit more to it than a tweet and a press conference is enough for me. Warnock can still leave the hero. You don't think "reliable posters" implying he's dodgy sours his reputation ?
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Post by King Neil on Sept 19, 2023 11:30:33 GMT 1
I honestly don't think anyone needs to hear any more detail really. There is no need for Warnock's great reputation with this club to be soured (not that it would be anyway for me). Just a gentle nudge from a few reliable posters that there's a bit more to it than a tweet and a press conference is enough for me. Warnock can still leave the hero. You don't think "reliable posters" implying he's dodgy sours his reputation ? Yes indeed! Makes me think of russia/North korea/China with all this loyalty to the divine leader
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 19, 2023 11:33:36 GMT 1
The more I think about this the more I think it's definitely a fall out behind the scenes. It just doesn't make sense for Colin to be replaced at this point in the season.I guess we'll find out because if it was planned I suspect someone will be in straight away after tomorrows game. It does if the person theyve identified as who they want as manager going forward has become available. If thats the case ( and it seems it is ) then they'd be daft to miss out on that person just to allow our temporary manager a bit longer in the job! But if they've just come available that must mean they've just left a club, either jumped or pushed, and has that happened to anyone of any note recently. If it's someone that's been available for a while then why has it taken til now, just after "tweetgate" 🤷
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 19, 2023 11:33:39 GMT 1
The more I think about this the more I think it's definitely a fall out behind the scenes. It just doesn't make sense for Colin to be replaced at this point in the season. I guess we'll find out because if it was planned I suspect someone will be in straight away after tomorrows game. Agree, but it's clearly not a massive one or he wouldn't have seen through these final games and been fairly magnanimous in the conference. As much as Warnock is a bloody brilliant Championship manager, he ain't exactly known for his tact, diplomacy and tolerance.
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Post by harris on Sept 19, 2023 11:33:44 GMT 1
I have to admit it appeared that Edwards was squirming throughout that entire press conference. I don't think we have the full story at all but as was said yesterday, Warnock himself said he only expected to stay until Xmas. Its happened a couple of months early, big deal. Reckon? I thought he looked calm and composed. Looks like him and Neil have a great relationship.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 19, 2023 11:37:05 GMT 1
You don't think "reliable posters" implying he's dodgy sours his reputation ? Yes indeed! Makes me think of russia/North korea/China with all this loyalty to the divine leader Come on, as ever, this is going both ways, acknowleding the majority (and sane ones) are not on either extreme end of the spectrum.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Sept 19, 2023 11:37:20 GMT 1
The club must be looking at paying a big salary to get any quality manager who they think is a better than Warnock and still no guarantees
What worries me the most is when i think back to all the shite managers we have had in the last 2 seasons with some not having a clue
Something isnt right here as smell the shit has hit the fan with some kind of fallout
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2023 11:38:10 GMT 1
The more I think about this the more I think it's definitely a fall out behind the scenes. It just doesn't make sense for Colin to be replaced at this point in the season. I guess we'll find out because if it was planned I suspect someone will be in straight away after tomorrows game. Jake Edwards has already said the new manager is sorted and will be announced towards the end of the week. Probably Thursday after the Stoke game. Friday
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Post by iangreaves on Sept 19, 2023 11:40:24 GMT 1
It does if the person theyve identified as who they want as manager going forward has become available. If thats the case ( and it seems it is ) then they'd be daft to miss out on that person just to allow our temporary manager a bit longer in the job! But if they've just come available that must mean they've just left a club, either jumped or pushed, and has that happened to anyone of any note recently. If it's someone that's been available for a while then why has it taken til now, just after "tweetgate" 🤷 Exactly so. If the new manager is someone who was free in the close season, that would confirm that Warnock has been sacked over tweetgate.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 19, 2023 11:41:36 GMT 1
Sorry but thats nonsense. Someone called Rocky should have a bit of fighting spirit! This teams is perfectly capable of finishing top half and even pushing for top 6 provided we dont have too many injuries. That's why it's not nonsense. We will have lots of injuries throughout the season (most clubs do). That's the whole point and is one that Warnock himself has previously made many times, including at yesterdays' press conference. Well have injuries, of course we willl. But provided we dont have a boat load like we did first half of last season, then Id expect this side to do pretty well and possibly very well.
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 19, 2023 11:46:06 GMT 1
The more I think about this the more I think it's definitely a fall out behind the scenes. It just doesn't make sense for Colin to be replaced at this point in the season.I guess we'll find out because if it was planned I suspect someone will be in straight away after tomorrows game. It does if the person theyve identified as who they want as manager going forward has become available. If thats the case ( and it seems it is ) then they'd be daft to miss out on that person just to allow our temporary manager a bit longer in the job! Its not even necessarily about the person 'becoming available'. The appointment of NW for one season, and with his knowing agreement that he would be replaced at some point when they found who they were looking for - simply gave them up to a full year to get to grips with getting the exec level appointments in, getting to know the football club and finding out all the stuff that they didn't know about English football and Huddersfield Town 4 months ago. It might have taken them 9 months to work through to the point where they were comfortable in identifying and employing a football manager to take the club forwards, they just happen to have done it a little quicker thats all...which is by some considerable distance a better place to be than if they'd taken longer to get to this decision than Neil's 1 year contract allowed...imagine if we'd got to next May and they still didn't really know what they were looking for! Doing it now (personally I'd have preferred it to happen before the international window just gone) gives the new manager a real opportunity to get to know what he's got to work with and to help influence the January window productively...someone gets the job in December they wouldn't be in that position.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 19, 2023 11:46:53 GMT 1
It does if the person theyve identified as who they want as manager going forward has become available. If thats the case ( and it seems it is ) then they'd be daft to miss out on that person just to allow our temporary manager a bit longer in the job! But if they've just come available that must mean they've just left a club, either jumped or pushed, and has that happened to anyone of any note recently. If it's someone that's been available for a while then why has it taken til now, just after "tweetgate" 🤷 It either means theyve become available by leaving their current job and agreeing to come here...or theyve simply become available by agreeing to come here ( might not have even been in a job ) Guess we'll find out which one after Wednesday. I would have thought the priority number one for the management team when it was put in place was to identify and then go and get the next manager...because the one we had in place was only a short term temporary one by his own insistence. If theyve managed that, and they clearly have, , then thats why the timing of warnock leaving is what it is... its not 'odd' in any way.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Sept 19, 2023 11:53:18 GMT 1
I have no doubt NW will make it clearer in his next book, I told you he was going , how’s that leading anyone up the garden path, this has been building for several weeks , allegedly there were issues it’s now apparent there were, that do you.As Maynard alluded to 2/3 weeks ago. Jake Edwards answer to timing question! (Apologies for the short ad at the beginning but is this a very telling answer?) You've got to admit that Jake looks uncomfortable and goes a bit waffly when asked if the candidate's availability is the only reason for the timing of the decision. He ends by saying it was "half the reason". And the other half was ...? 💯. what were the other reasons ? People are making noises on here suggesting Warnock has been up to no good in some way but clearly cannot say what. Something has happened as the plan was not for the club to be appointing a new manager after 7 games. The idea that we simply found the right man sooner than expected is IMO a nonsense.
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