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Post by Ladaphosen on Sept 19, 2023 11:58:58 GMT 1
Thankfully balanced by those posters for whom the club can do no wrong eh Slapps? You mean balanced by posters who understand the club have done what they were always going to do and had to do at some point? I honestly think some people just get off on hysterical over-reaction. I go to the games with one...apparently we're doomed to go down now and the next manager is shit...before he even knows who it is. Its laughable. You can understand what they have done and also question why they have done it. That is balance, not blindly believing every word that comes out of the club.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 19, 2023 12:09:54 GMT 1
You mean balanced by posters who understand the club have done what they were always going to do and had to do at some point? I honestly think some people just get off on hysterical over-reaction. I go to the games with one...apparently we're doomed to go down now and the next manager is shit...before he even knows who it is. Its laughable. You can understand what they have done and also question why they have done it. That is balance, not blindly believing every word that comes out of the club. I dont understand what there is to NOT believe? Or why people are questioning what theyve done...its bloody obvious why theyve done what theyve done!..we had a temporary manager and we want a permanent manager.
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Post by ram on Sept 19, 2023 12:11:06 GMT 1
Having read all of the new posts on this thread,and all those on the New Manager thread.My opinion,for what it is worth is, There could be things behind the scene that only certain individuals know but, The facts are plain.The man they wanted to replace Neil has become available early,and as Neil was prepared to leave should this be the case{although he is disappointed it is so soon} .Now,as some have suggested that if the man was available in the close season,then the scenario does change to a disagreement.
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Post by ram on Sept 19, 2023 12:15:35 GMT 1
Neil might be giving a clue when he jokes "might be someone I don,t like" Chris Wilder maybe? he was available close season.
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 19, 2023 12:17:56 GMT 1
What worries me the most is when i think back to all the shite managers we have had in the last 2 seasons with some not having a clue
...none of who were employed by the current incumbents. The ONLY manager that has joined since they took over was Neil Warnock coming back for this season...so not sure why you'd be worried unless you consider that a bad decision?
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Post by King Neil on Sept 19, 2023 12:21:06 GMT 1
What worries me the most is when i think back to all the shite managers we have had in the last 2 seasons with some not having a clue
...none of who were employed by the current incumbents. The ONLY manager that has joined since they took over was Neil Warnock coming back for this season...so not sure why you'd be worried unless you consider that a bad decision? Dean hoyle got warnock not nagle
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2023 12:24:10 GMT 1
The club must be looking at paying a big salary to get any quality manager who they think is a better than Warnock and still no guarantees
What worries me the most is when i think back to all the shite managers we have had in the last 2 seasons with some not having a clue
Something isnt right here as smell the shit has hit the fan with some kind of fallout
This three year plan they want the new guy to come on the journey with is all well and good, but really, how many managers/coaches last anywhere near that long? Most seem to last just over one year. Good luck Jake and Kevin.... this is a huge call.
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Post by Ladaphosen on Sept 19, 2023 12:27:31 GMT 1
You can understand what they have done and also question why they have done it. That is balance, not blindly believing every word that comes out of the club. I dont understand what there is to NOT believe? Or why people are questioning what theyve done...its bloody obvious why theyve done what theyve done!..we had a temporary manager and we want a permanent manager. The reasons for him leaving for a start... You say temporary like he was hired on an interim basis, he signed a 1 year contract which was sold as a transitional 'stabilising' season. I'm not sure I would consider us as stable 6 games into a new season... I hope as much as the next Town fan that they have found their guy and he's exciting appointment that will take us forward, but to pretend there is nothing to question here is very naïve.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2023 12:30:39 GMT 1
...none of who were employed by the current incumbents. The ONLY manager that has joined since they took over was Neil Warnock coming back for this season...so not sure why you'd be worried unless you consider that a bad decision? Dean hoyle got warnock not nagle Via Dave Baldwin
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Post by bullard on Sept 19, 2023 12:34:26 GMT 1
The club must be looking at paying a big salary to get any quality manager who they think is a better than Warnock and still no guarantees
What worries me the most is when i think back to all the shite managers we have had in the last 2 seasons with some not having a clue Something isnt right here as smell the shit has hit the fan with some kind of fallout
This three year plan they want the new guy to come on the journey with is all well and good, but really, how many managers/coaches last anywhere near that long? Most seem to last just over one year. Good luck Jake and Kevin.... this is a huge call. Because it’s not entirely about the individual it’s about the skillset required in that role and the attributes they are looking for to make that plan work. For future planning I’d imagine that this list is defined at they have a list identified of managers/ coaches that fit that criteria. Loads of clubs successfully do this - Brighton being a great example
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Post by King Neil on Sept 19, 2023 12:44:08 GMT 1
I dont understand what there is to NOT believe? Or why people are questioning what theyve done...its bloody obvious why theyve done what theyve done!..we had a temporary manager and we want a permanent manager. The reasons for him leaving for a start... You say temporary like he was hired on an interim basis, he signed a 1 year contract which was sold as a transitional 'stabilising' season. I'm not sure I would consider us as stable 6 games into a new season... I hope as much as the next Town fan that they have found their guy and he's exciting appointment that will take us forward, but to pretend there is nothing to question here is very naïve. And any decent owners would be checking in with the manager...eyup neil is everything OK?...are you OK continuing for the foreseeable future?...or do we really need to be finding someone quite soon? Not of that just the nonsense which has now happened One ops continued quote of its temporary by his insistence is getting quite boring now!!! A natural transition to a new man around Xmas time when hopefully we are quite stable in the table and the new man has a transfer window to get any new faces is what should have happened..it hasn't and that's why a fallout is the real reason Had nagle come out and been honest and said I'm not happy with the results so we want to change things then that's transparent and I would have more respect for him Doing it this way has been quite nasty and I feel quite embarrassed being a Town fan today Neil deserves far better
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2023 12:47:26 GMT 1
This three year plan they want the new guy to come on the journey with is all well and good, but really, how many managers/coaches last anywhere near that long? Most seem to last just over one year. Good luck Jake and Kevin.... this is a huge call. Because it’s not entirely about the individual it’s about the skillset required in that role and the attributes they are looking for to make that plan work. For future planning I’d imagine that this list is defined at they have a list identified of managers/ coaches that fit that criteria. Loads of clubs successfully do this - Brighton being a great example That's effectively what Leigh Bromby had set up... some may argue with differing levels of success !
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 19, 2023 12:52:54 GMT 1
The club must be looking at paying a big salary to get any quality manager who they think is a better than Warnock and still no guarantees
What worries me the most is when i think back to all the shite managers we have had in the last 2 seasons with some not having a clue
Something isnt right here as smell the shit has hit the fan with some kind of fallout
This three year plan they want the new guy to come on the journey with is all well and good, but really, how many managers/coaches last anywhere near that long? Most seem to last just over one year. Good luck Jake and Kevin.... this is a huge call. And they skirted around that in the press conference. Football is always in the here and now and whats happening in the next 2 or 3 weeks, but it'd be pretty stupid not to actually have a long term strategy. You've just got to prepared to make decisions when required that might be at odds with that strategy...thats been a problem for some previous owners at Town, who have stood by their longer term vision, when tactically the best option in the moment was to REACT and do something in the here and now and make a change. (like we SHOULD have got rid of Powell and Robins at the end of the seasons, rather than keeping them over summer and have them leave a few weeks into the season...and realistically, we SHOULD have got rid of Carlos after that behind closed doors season (despite what happened down the line)).
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Post by iangreaves on Sept 19, 2023 12:54:08 GMT 1
Dean hoyle got warnock not nagle Via Dave Baldwin Warnock says he came back because Dean begged him to get us out of the shit and Sharon encouraged him to come because she loves Town.
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Post by bleaklow on Sept 19, 2023 12:58:48 GMT 1
Watching Town recently has been a pleasure compared with the worrying feeling I experienced before Warnock arrived. Seeing him and Jeppo on the touchline, gave you a sense of confidence, knowing that (whatever the result) the Club was in competent hands. The new manager has to be able to replicate this, otherwise gloom could set in. Certainly, the likes of Southgate wouldn't have been able to achieve Warnock's miracle.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2023 13:00:24 GMT 1
Warnock says he came back because Dean begged him to get us out of the shit and Sharon encouraged him to come because she loves Town. I know what he said.
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Post by westislandterrier on Sept 19, 2023 13:00:52 GMT 1
Dean hoyle got warnock not nagle Via Dave Baldwin I suspect Mr Hoyle will be watching from the sidelines and glad that he rode off into the sunset and has no part in picking the new gaffer for HTAFC !
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Post by htafcokay on Sept 19, 2023 13:06:24 GMT 1
Neil Warnock leaves the club as an even bigger legend than he was before.
He is one of the club's greatest ever managers.
Indeed, the king.
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Post by King Neil on Sept 19, 2023 13:09:50 GMT 1
I suspect Mr Hoyle will be watching from the sidelines and glad that he rode off into the sunset and has no part in picking the new gaffer for HTAFC ! I have a feeling we haven't seen the last of Dean hoyle...another legend When this lot do one in 3 years when we are not in the Premier league I can see Dean getting us for free off the administrators
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Post by King Curtis on Sept 19, 2023 13:21:44 GMT 1
17th June 2023: Chief Executive Jake Edwards explained: “We’ve heard Town fans loud and clear, both at the Reading game and ever since. You all wanted ‘one more year’ under Neil and Ronnie, and this had to be our first order of business as we prepare for the new season." All part of the plan giving him the boot after 5 games... Of course it was.
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Post by runner76 on Sept 19, 2023 13:28:21 GMT 1
This three year plan they want the new guy to come on the journey with is all well and good, but really, how many managers/coaches last anywhere near that long? Most seem to last just over one year. Good luck Jake and Kevin.... this is a huge call. Because it’s not entirely about the individual it’s about the skillset required in that role and the attributes they are looking for to make that plan work. For future planning I’d imagine that this list is defined at they have a list identified of managers/ coaches that fit that criteria. Loads of clubs successfully do this - Brighton being a great example And let’s not forget the Brighton success is down to the magic model of the owner and the setup (not just a single manager….) so hopefully Town are looking at that example!!
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 19, 2023 13:32:06 GMT 1
You can understand what they have done and also question why they have done it. That is balance, not blindly believing every word that comes out of the club. I dont understand what there is to NOT believe? Or why people are questioning what theyve done...its bloody obvious why theyve done what theyve done!..we had a temporary manager and we want a permanent manager. For 7 games they might as well have asked Worthy to take charge. It'd better be someone worth the upheaval
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 19, 2023 13:33:18 GMT 1
I dont understand what there is to NOT believe? Or why people are questioning what theyve done...its bloody obvious why theyve done what theyve done!..we had a temporary manager and we want a permanent manager. The reasons for him leaving for a start... You say temporary like he was hired on an interim basis, he signed a 1 year contract which was sold as a transitional 'stabilising' season. I'm not sure I would consider us as stable 6 games into a new season... I hope as much as the next Town fan that they have found their guy and he's exciting appointment that will take us forward, but to pretend there is nothing to question here is very naïve. The reason hes leaving is because theyve managed to find and agree a deal with the manager they want going forward. Its as simple as that. You either appoint the man you want...in which case warnock leaves.. Or you DONT appoint the man you want...lose him probably...just so you can keep warnock on as temporary manager a bit longer.....something that would be RIDICULOUS! Warnock was an interim manager...for up to a year but in all probability much less than that....by his own insistence...put in place to tide us over until the management team had been sorted and they were in a position to make decisions like who the manager going forward should be. He himself thought that would take a bit longer, maybe even xmas, but as it is its been done quicker than that. Seems to be a lot of amateur sleuths and conspiracy theorists desperately trying to make this more 'interesting' than it is, but whats happened and why is pretty bloody obvious to me ( because its just what was supposed to happen ) and Im not getting what there is to question about it.
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 19, 2023 13:33:29 GMT 1
What worries me the most is when i think back to all the shite managers we have had in the last 2 seasons with some not having a clue
...none of who were employed by the current incumbents. The ONLY manager that has joined since they took over was Neil Warnock coming back for this season...so not sure why you'd be worried unless you consider that a bad decision? Changing him after 7 games is what I'd consider a bad decision
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Post by Drew Peacock on Sept 19, 2023 13:34:08 GMT 1
No he didn't. If you didn't actually listen to the press conference correctly then don't bother forming an opinion as it will be invariably be incorrect. Yes he did on the YouTube press conference.. He was told at the wba match and went on to say he told the senior players before the Rotherham game Your clearly need glasses or eardrops
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Post by JG Mellor on Sept 19, 2023 13:34:33 GMT 1
I have to admit it appeared that Edwards was squirming throughout that entire press conference. I don't think we have the full story at all but as was said yesterday, Warnock himself said he only expected to stay until Xmas. Its happened a couple of months early, big deal. It is a big deal. We could have been well in the way to being safe by then under Warnock.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 19, 2023 13:34:44 GMT 1
I dont understand what there is to NOT believe? Or why people are questioning what theyve done...its bloody obvious why theyve done what theyve done!..we had a temporary manager and we want a permanent manager. For 7 games they might as well have asked Worthy to take charge. It'd better be someone worth the upheaval They wont have known it was going to be 7 games..but Im sure they'd have wanted warnock in charge of them however many there was.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 19, 2023 13:36:23 GMT 1
...none of who were employed by the current incumbents. The ONLY manager that has joined since they took over was Neil Warnock coming back for this season...so not sure why you'd be worried unless you consider that a bad decision? Changing him after 7 games is what I'd consider a bad decision So you think they should say to the bloke they want as the long term manager " we do want you but we feel Neil should have more than 7 games, so sorry, you go get a job somewhere else" ? That would be a good decision?
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Post by rockwall on Sept 19, 2023 13:37:54 GMT 1
The reasons for him leaving for a start... You say temporary like he was hired on an interim basis, he signed a 1 year contract which was sold as a transitional 'stabilising' season. I'm not sure I would consider us as stable 6 games into a new season... I hope as much as the next Town fan that they have found their guy and he's exciting appointment that will take us forward, but to pretend there is nothing to question here is very naïve. And any decent owners would be checking in with the manager...eyup neil is everything OK?...are you OK continuing for the foreseeable future?...or do we really need to be finding someone quite soon? Not of that just the nonsense which has now happened One ops continued quote of its temporary by his insistence is getting quite boring now!!! A natural transition to a new man around Xmas time when hopefully we are quite stable in the table and the new man has a transfer window to get any new faces is what should have happened..it hasn't and that's why a fallout is the real reason Had nagle come out and been honest and said I'm not happy with the results so we want to change things then that's transparent and I would have more respect for him Doing it this way has been quite nasty and I feel quite embarrassed being a Town fan today Neil deserves far better You spout utter bollocks. It has nothing to do with results. How is it nasty? Neil agree to be a temp manager for no more than 12 months. If the right man is there now, we get him. Embarrassed to be a town fan? Your logic is far more Embarrassing, especially when itk posters have said numerous times, it is Neil's fault why it has happened earlier than expected. You won't be missing him thay muc, the way you speak about him, you can kiss the posters of him you have on your bedroom wall every morning still. Unless you're a grown up of course, in which case, grow the fuck up.
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 19, 2023 13:40:05 GMT 1
The reasons for him leaving for a start... You say temporary like he was hired on an interim basis, he signed a 1 year contract which was sold as a transitional 'stabilising' season. I'm not sure I would consider us as stable 6 games into a new season... I hope as much as the next Town fan that they have found their guy and he's exciting appointment that will take us forward, but to pretend there is nothing to question here is very naïve. The reason hes leaving is because theyve managed to find and agree a deal with the manager they want going forward. Its as simple as that. You either appoint the man you want...in which case warnock leaves.. Or you DONT appoint the man you want...lose him probably...just so you can keep warnock on as temporary manager a bit longer.....something that would be RIDICULOUS! Warnock was an interim manager...for up to a year but in all probability much less than that....by his own insistence...put in place to tide us over until the management team had been sorted and they were in a position to make decisions like who the manager going forward should be. He himself thought that would take a bit longer, maybe even xmas, but as it is its been done quicker than that. Seems to be a lot of amateur sleuths and conspiracy theorists desperately trying to make this more 'interesting' than it is, but whats happened and why is pretty bloody obvious to me ( because its just what was supposed to happen ) and Im not getting what there is to question about it. You've an awful lot of trust in some blokes who've no idea about Championship football.
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