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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 16, 2023 22:37:02 GMT 1
The Beeb are already at it on their website.......'first England team since 1966 to reach a senior final on the world stage' Our women's blind team reached the World Cup final a few years ago..why didnt that count as 'the first England team since..' .? Its the first time weve reached the World Cup final..IN THIS SPORT. Its not mens football so why bring our mens football record into it? How many teams from England, of any gender, have reached and won any World Cup final? The cricket team have won once (since inception in 75) The Rugby Union team won in 2003, and I think the women's team have won it twice? I'm not aware of many more, even in more recreational pastimes (I'm thinking of darts, snooker, golf - and those would be largely insignificant competitions within their sports), so it is a pretty momentous achievement. It's even better if they win it. If they do win it might give the men a kick up the arse that it can be done (the men are good a blowing good opportunities) or it might be used as a(nother) stick to beat them with. It's a perfectly reasonable comparison if you ask me. Its a brilliant achievement and after winning the euros will seal their legacy as the best team in the world if they can win on Sunday. But its got bugger all to do with mens football so why bring the mens teams records up? Like I said, our blind women's football team got to the WC final a few years ago. Thats as relevant to 1966 as what the lionesses have done today.
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Post by impact on Aug 16, 2023 23:25:17 GMT 1
The likelihood is that you are going to hear the comparison over and over again in the next few days if you watch, or listen to much sports news. Lazy and hackneyed stuff from the journos and pundits will abound. Anyway, you missed the Rugby League World Cup from your list. There is little point, however, comparing Clive Sullivan to Georgia Wilson... What comparison ? They aren't comparing anything, this is the first time an England football team has qualified for a World Cup Final since 1966. That's a fact. I really don't know why so many get their knickers in a twist over it 🙄 The u20s won the World Cup in 2017 so it isn't a fact.
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Post by impact on Aug 16, 2023 23:34:17 GMT 1
Brilliant achievement to get to the final. It shows what a strong, winning-minded coach can do.
I imagine not a lot will be happening in the country at 11am on Sunday.
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Post by westislandterrier on Aug 17, 2023 6:10:30 GMT 1
Congratulations to England Women’s Team on reaching The World Cup Final - clearly a very talented team - and not bad lookers either ! - and only one more game to immortality... So enjoy enjoy all ye England Women supporting Terriers and Terrieresses and Good Luck in the final... I just wish that Bloody 🏴 Bonnie Scotland 🏴 were there !!! 😬 😬 I was in bonny Inverness today, driving and delivering so could not watch the game, but banter with the customers was a joy, after the result. Aye drewden - They’re a good bunch are The ‘Nessies’ and I look forward to a long weekend up there around October or November to watch ma favourite Highland League team - Clachnacuddin - Play... So not a good day for The Clach fans then - Scotland Women’s rivals England Women get to The World Cup Final and Clachnacuddin are still winless in The Highland League after a 3-0 doing away to Wick Academy ! They play in The North-West of Inverness in an area called The Merkinch here’s a wee drone picture of Their ‘Stadium’ - Grant Street Park - and looking North towards The Kessock Bridge and up the Cromarty Firth... As you rightly say - Bonnie Inverness ! 😊 👍 Attachment Deleted
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Aug 17, 2023 7:25:15 GMT 1
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Post by kennyk2 on Aug 17, 2023 7:28:39 GMT 1
I was in bonny Inverness today, driving and delivering so could not watch the game, but banter with the customers was a joy, after the result. Aye drewden - They’re a good bunch are The ‘Nessies’ and I look forward to a long weekend up there around October or November to watch ma favourite Highland League team - Clachnacuddin - Play... So not a good day for The Clach fans then - Scotland Women’s rivals England Women get to The World Cup Final and Clachnacuddin are still winless in The Highland League after a 3-0 doing away to Wick Academy ! They play in The North-West of Inverness in an area called The Merkinch here’s a wee drone picture of Their ‘Stadium’ - Grant Street Park - and looking North towards The Kessock Bridge and up the Cromarty Firth... As you rightly say - Bonnie Inverness ! 😊 👍 View AttachmentClachnacuddin the closest team to me also Westie. Ground hidden amongst the small streets of Merkinch. What a great name for a football team.
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Post by twyford on Aug 17, 2023 8:00:01 GMT 1
What comparison ? They aren't comparing anything, this is the first time an England football team has qualified for a World Cup Final since 1966. That's a fact. I really don't know why so many get their knickers in a twist over it 🙄 The u20s won the World Cup in 2017 so it isn't a fact. The BBC quote which started the exchange does say 'senior' team. FWIW I consider it the same sport, played by a different participant group. References to the 1966 final are flawed though as the FIFA Women's World Cup was only competed for the first time in 1991 and of course there was an FA ban on women's participation in the sport until 1971!
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 17, 2023 8:01:22 GMT 1
Why does it bother you so much ? Twitter is full of right wing shills all saying the same thing 🤷 Right wing? LOL What the hell has thinking that got to do with being right or left wing?? What a bizarre thing to say! It wasn't a go at you, only the first line. The 2nd part was just that I'd been on twitter and the ones with GBNews and Back Boris, in their bios, the ones paid to get reactions and to ignore what's going on in politics, had all suddenly got offended by people saying it was England's first WC Final since 1966. Which it is.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 17, 2023 8:05:30 GMT 1
What comparison ? They aren't comparing anything, this is the first time an England football team has qualified for a World Cup Final since 1966. That's a fact. I really don't know why so many get their knickers in a twist over it 🙄 The u20s won the World Cup in 2017 so it isn't a fact. Are they a senior team ? I can still name the '66 team and I wasn't born then, I've no idea who was in the U20's in 2017 Did that get mentioned as being the first time since '66 ? If so were people getting upset or was it OK because that team had testicles 🤔
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Post by Essex Terrier on Aug 17, 2023 8:31:42 GMT 1
Only on DATM does a cause for celebration turn into rancorous debate?
It's giving me a haddock.
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Post by foxtrot666 on Aug 17, 2023 8:44:50 GMT 1
Brilliant achievement to get to the final. It shows what a strong, winning-minded coach can do. I imagine not a lot will be happening in the country at 11am on Sunday. It will be interesting to see the viewing figures which I think will be massive, lots of families with young girls watching their heroes, brilliant for the Country, just need to win it now.
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Post by ilsonterrier on Aug 17, 2023 9:10:17 GMT 1
I've seen very little of this world cup due to being on holiday in America for the group stage, with the result that a lot of the games (and certainly all the England games) were on in the middle of the night. I saw last Saturday's game but I missed yesterday's due to a long standing lunch arrangement with some friends. I listened to the first 15 minutes or so in the car and then had it on my phone in the background.
It's a great achievement for the girls. Last year's win did so much for the women's game in this country and this will only help - win or lose. Let's hope it also has the same effect in many of the other countries that have taken part, as it can only be good for the game to have a number of good, solid competing countries.
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Post by ilsonterrier on Aug 17, 2023 9:11:03 GMT 1
Brilliant achievement to get to the final. It shows what a strong, winning-minded coach can do. I imagine not a lot will be happening in the country at 11am on Sunday. It will be interesting to see the viewing figures which I think will be massive, lots of families with young girls watching their heroes, brilliant for the Country, just need to win it now. And even more watching it on Sunday
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 17, 2023 9:27:02 GMT 1
I've seen very little of this world cup due to being on holiday in America for the group stage, with the result that a lot of the games (and certainly all the England games) were on in the middle of the night. I saw last Saturday's game but I missed yesterday's due to a long standing lunch arrangement with some friends. I listened to the first 15 minutes or so in the car and then had it on my phone in the background. It's a great achievement for the girls. Last year's win did so much for the women's game in this country and this will only help - win or lose. Let's hope it also has the same effect in many of the other countries that have taken part, as it can only be good for the game to have a number of good, solid competing countries. They talked about it after the game, how folk had said bringing more teams in would make for more mismatches and stupid scorelines. It's actually done the opposite. So, hopefully, things will continue to go in the right direction. And the 2 Colombians that made mistakes, leading to them getting knocked out, are still alive. So that's another improvement on past WC's 😉
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Post by impact on Aug 17, 2023 9:39:36 GMT 1
The u20s won the World Cup in 2017 so it isn't a fact. Are they a senior team ? I can still name the '66 team and I wasn't born then, I've no idea who was in the U20's in 2017 Did that get mentioned as being the first time since '66 ? If so were people getting upset or was it OK because that team had testicles 🤔 I've no idea but the BBC article at the time is here www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40202212It was written as the first time we'd reached the u20 world cup and the first men's team to make it since the senior side in 1966. I barely know any of the womens team but I enjoy watching it, I really don't get your point there. But I enjoy watching it because I know the standard will be lower in advance and I'm set up for it. The attempts to compare or combine the two formats do more harm than good. There's nothing wrong with keeping them separate.
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 17, 2023 10:06:17 GMT 1
Right wing? LOL What the hell has thinking that got to do with being right or left wing?? What a bizarre thing to say! It wasn't a go at you, only the first line. The 2nd part was just that I'd been on twitter and the ones with GBNews and Back Boris, in their bios, the ones paid to get reactions and to ignore what's going on in politics, had all suddenly got offended by people saying it was England's first WC Final since 1966. Which it is. My mate 2 doors down who's somewhere to the left of Corbyn politically gets a bit irked by it too if that balances it out a bit! Its Englands first senior WC final since the women's blind team reached one a few years ago if we're lumping all England teams together.
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Post by 28901 on Aug 17, 2023 10:28:34 GMT 1
Right wing? LOL What the hell has thinking that got to do with being right or left wing?? What a bizarre thing to say! It wasn't a go at you, only the first line. The 2nd part was just that I'd been on twitter and the ones with GBNews and Back Boris, in their bios, the ones paid to get reactions and to ignore what's going on in politics, had all suddenly got offended by people saying it was England's first WC Final since 1966. Which it is. Its almost as if there's a mass coordinated effort to constantly spread right wing conspiracies out into the ether
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 17, 2023 11:07:09 GMT 1
It wasn't a go at you, only the first line. The 2nd part was just that I'd been on twitter and the ones with GBNews and Back Boris, in their bios, the ones paid to get reactions and to ignore what's going on in politics, had all suddenly got offended by people saying it was England's first WC Final since 1966. Which it is. My mate 2 doors down who's somewhere to the left of Corbyn politically gets a bit irked by it too if that balances it out a bit! Its Englands first senior WC final since the women's blind team reached one a few years ago if we're lumping all England teams together. So even blind women are better than England's men's team
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Post by mosher on Aug 17, 2023 11:10:39 GMT 1
My mate 2 doors down who's somewhere to the left of Corbyn politically gets a bit irked by it too if that balances it out a bit! Its Englands first senior WC final since the women's blind team reached one a few years ago if we're lumping all England teams together. So even blind women are better than England's men's team Coffee snorted up nose, thanks Porroh
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Post by Merseyterrier on Aug 17, 2023 11:46:24 GMT 1
I've seen very little of this world cup due to being on holiday in America for the group stage, with the result that a lot of the games (and certainly all the England games) were on in the middle of the night. I saw last Saturday's game but I missed yesterday's due to a long standing lunch arrangement with some friends. I listened to the first 15 minutes or so in the car and then had it on my phone in the background. It's a great achievement for the girls. Last year's win did so much for the women's game in this country and this will only help - win or lose. Let's hope it also has the same effect in many of the other countries that have taken part, as it can only be good for the game to have a number of good, solid competing countries. They talked about it after the game, how folk had said bringing more teams in would make for more mismatches and stupid scorelines. It's actually done the opposite. So, hopefully, things will continue to go in the right direction. And the 2 Colombians that made mistakes, leading to them getting knocked out, are still alive. So that's another improvement on past WC's 😉 You say that but, listening to Tim Vickery on TS yesterday afternoon, apparently the brother of one of the team was shot dead after the defeat. Not confirmed if it was related to the result or other reasons.
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Post by mosher on Aug 17, 2023 12:02:57 GMT 1
They talked about it after the game, how folk had said bringing more teams in would make for more mismatches and stupid scorelines. It's actually done the opposite. So, hopefully, things will continue to go in the right direction. And the 2 Colombians that made mistakes, leading to them getting knocked out, are still alive. So that's another improvement on past WC's 😉 You say that but, listening to Tim Vickery on TS yesterday afternoon, apparently the brother of one of the team was shot dead after the defeat. Not confirmed if it was related to the result or other reasons. Something to do with him allegedly being a loan shark according to last thing I read.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 17, 2023 12:06:46 GMT 1
They talked about it after the game, how folk had said bringing more teams in would make for more mismatches and stupid scorelines. It's actually done the opposite. So, hopefully, things will continue to go in the right direction. And the 2 Colombians that made mistakes, leading to them getting knocked out, are still alive. So that's another improvement on past WC's 😉 You say that but, listening to Tim Vickery on TS yesterday afternoon, apparently the brother of one of the team was shot dead after the defeat. Not confirmed if it was related to the result or other reasons. Not heard anything about that, although I never listen to Talkshite anyway.
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Post by sabailand on Aug 17, 2023 14:07:44 GMT 1
So even blind women are better than England's men's team Coffee snorted up nose, thanks Porroh You're supposed to drink it, thought those days were over.
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Post by mosher on Aug 17, 2023 14:10:50 GMT 1
Coffee snorted up nose, thanks Porroh You're supposed to drink it, thought those days were over. Coffee's the only thing I snort accidentally
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Post by benhomly on Aug 17, 2023 14:13:24 GMT 1
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 17, 2023 14:17:17 GMT 1
Maybe, with all that shite being American and them having gone out early, they're trying to pretend the tournament isn't happening 🤔 😉
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Post by mosher on Aug 17, 2023 14:27:43 GMT 1
Dr Rodda needs to get a life if she seriously thinks that was down to sexism.
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Post by sabailand on Aug 17, 2023 14:31:34 GMT 1
Its funny but not funny but funny again in a mixed up kinda way, its been remidied, Joanne Rodda ...the end of the world has been avoided.
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Post by detox on Aug 17, 2023 14:51:44 GMT 1
Presumably that's down to the Australian broadcasters rather than the BBC or ITV Indeed. There seem to be differences in emphasis in the coverage from different countries. tbh, it's just as bad with SKy, BBC and ITV...it's like the game controllers are in some sort of competition on how many different camera angles they can show during a break in play....and it's the predictable routine of it..8 angles of the incident, then a close up of one manager, then the other, then some fans, then the player involved... You can see i've got wound up over this can't you...Once upon a time live play was sacrosanct but now it's almost like they only want to show the actions bits and fill in the less exciting parts with some random camera shots ...for me it breaks the continuity when, for example it's dead ball kick...but the cameras come back to live action when it's a throw in at the opposite end of the pitch...... !!
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 17, 2023 15:08:35 GMT 1
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