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Post by townarentbest on Aug 21, 2023 1:09:44 GMT 1
Equal wages for women is nonsense? I think the wages the blokes are payed in ridiculous. Hey , listen, I’m not saying the wages in men’s football is right. But the wages are reflective of turnover. Men’s football doesn’t and shouldn’t subsidise the women’s game It does. The question is should it?
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Post by townarentbest on Aug 21, 2023 1:21:13 GMT 1
The league really should have taken a lead on this. Given that the World Cup final tomorrow is the pinnacle of their game, it would have made sense not to have had any fixtures on that day, and kick off their season next weekend. It is the only game that has been postponed but, to be fair, it's the one that involves the away team having to make the longest journey. Putting the kick off back to 3pm (as suggested by Newcastle) would make no difference to Halifax, they would still have to miss the World Cup final to get there, or set off at a ridiculously early time to get there to watch the game. I appreciate it's difficult for Newcastle as they are a fully professional outfit now and I can see that they are frustrated by it. For me, though, it was the comment by someone who genuinely thought that Halifax would have the funds to pay for an overnight stop (at 3 days notice). Just saw in the 'Southern Premier Division' which is the 3rd tier regional equivalent of the league Newcastle and Halifax are in, all 6 matches were played today, including Plymouth vs Billericay at 2.45pm (more than a 4 hour drive to Newton Abbott, Devon), Cardiff vs Ipswich (well over 4 hours), and Rugby vs London Bees (2 hours). I originally naturally thought all matches would be off at that level and it was just Newcastle pushing it because they are the only full time side in the 3rd tier, but while I appreciate all teams finances might not be the same at that level and Halifax may well have the lowest budget by far (I've generally no idea...), it's not a particular great look if Ipswich and Billericay can both make far longer trips on the same day and fulfil their league fixtures. What’s distance or finances got to do with it, Halifax (who are a fully professional team as of this season) decided not to play for a perfectly valid reason. I would hope that if Hudds Town were in the equivalent League 1 and England somehow were in a World Cup Final the same day as a scheduled game they’d have the balls to call it off too…there’d be no fans wanting the game to happen. The women’s league is at fault here for not postponing all the fixtures, not Halifax…any suggestion otherwise is rubbish. Newcastle are hopefully collectively embarrassed at their stance of not agreeing to the proposal, it’s interesting they’ve not commented as far as I’m aware….perhaps because they agree with Halifax 🤷♂️
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Post by paullow1 on Aug 21, 2023 2:01:00 GMT 1
Just saw in the 'Southern Premier Division' which is the 3rd tier regional equivalent of the league Newcastle and Halifax are in, all 6 matches were played today, including Plymouth vs Billericay at 2.45pm (more than a 4 hour drive to Newton Abbott, Devon), Cardiff vs Ipswich (well over 4 hours), and Rugby vs London Bees (2 hours). I originally naturally thought all matches would be off at that level and it was just Newcastle pushing it because they are the only full time side in the 3rd tier, but while I appreciate all teams finances might not be the same at that level and Halifax may well have the lowest budget by far (I've generally no idea...), it's not a particular great look if Ipswich and Billericay can both make far longer trips on the same day and fulfil their league fixtures. What’s distance or finances got to do with it, Halifax (who are a fully professional team as of this season) decided not to play for a perfectly valid reason.I would hope that if Hudds Town were in the equivalent League 1 and England somehow were in a World Cup Final the same day as a scheduled game they’d have the balls to call it off too…there’d be no fans wanting the game to happen. The women’s league is at fault here for not postponing all the fixtures, not Halifax…any suggestion otherwise is rubbish. Newcastle are hopefully collectively embarrassed at their stance of not agreeing to the proposal, it’s interesting they’ve not commented as far as I’m aware….perhaps because they agree with Halifax 🤷♂️ Quite a lot actually, and it was a direct reply to the below: It is the only game that has been postponed but, to be fair, it's the one that involves the away team having to make the longest journey.
If 22 of the 24 third tier teams can play a scheduled fixture today and one of the remaining two wanted to also play then IMO there's no real excuse for a side fairly high up the women's pyramid not playing, especially when as mentioned, at least two sides have made far longer trips to their scheduled destination than Halifax would. Newcastle were the first team to turn professional at this level (can't find any sources that Halifax have since done similar, but fair enough if they have) so I naturally assumed that all the other non professional sides at this level had postponed their match today to watch the match in peace this morning, and Newcastle may have been lacking a bit of compassion with their new found wealth and not in the spirit of the women's game, but if literally every other club at that level can play, then Halifax definitely look in the wrong to me now for not doing so. 23 of the 24 clubs were willing to play the match they were scheduled to do so, not one other postponement in the other 11 fixtures, so with finding that out, I now hope Newcastle push for what they want. After seeing Nottm Forest win 7-0, and Billericay win 6-0 in the Southern league, without knowing how good Halifax are, and seeing that Newcastle's league was actually decided on GD last year, a routine 3-0 forfeit win might not be as valuable as actually playing the match out, but Halifax should be punished in some other form, perhaps a points deduction as well as a 3-0 forfeit (if Newcastle are happy with that). I appreciate some on here may have friends or family playing for Halifax, might get to some of their games and just be far more invested in the club than I am of NUWFC, but I'll repeat, not one other club in the entire third tier opted to call the match off today, a few other teams doing similar and they may have had a point, but Halifax are clearly in the minority with their stance.
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Post by terryya on Aug 21, 2023 8:00:37 GMT 1
I think it's safe to say that Newcastle will have their lawyers all over this one and Halifax (not fully professional) and the National League will fold as they can't hope to compete. Even UEFA and the PL get run ragged by Middle Eastern money.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 21, 2023 8:20:01 GMT 1
Just saw in the 'Southern Premier Division' which is the 3rd tier regional equivalent of the league Newcastle and Halifax are in, all 6 matches were played today, including Plymouth vs Billericay at 2.45pm (more than a 4 hour drive to Newton Abbott, Devon), Cardiff vs Ipswich (well over 4 hours), and Rugby vs London Bees (2 hours). I originally naturally thought all matches would be off at that level and it was just Newcastle pushing it because they are the only full time side in the 3rd tier, but while I appreciate all teams finances might not be the same at that level and Halifax may well have the lowest budget by far (I've generally no idea...), it's not a particular great look if Ipswich and Billericay can both make far longer trips on the same day and fulfil their league fixtures. What’s distance or finances got to do with it, Halifax (who are a fully professional team as of this season) decided not to play for a perfectly valid reason. I would hope that if Hudds Town were in the equivalent League 1 and England somehow were in a World Cup Final the same day as a scheduled game they’d have the balls to call it off too…there’d be no fans wanting the game to happen. The women’s league is at fault here for not postponing all the fixtures, not Halifax…any suggestion otherwise is rubbish. Newcastle are hopefully collectively embarrassed at their stance of not agreeing to the proposal, it’s interesting they’ve not commented as far as I’m aware….perhaps because they agree with Halifax 🤷♂️ I'd rather be watching Town than watching the England men's team in a World Cup Final.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 21, 2023 9:05:52 GMT 1
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Post by ram on Aug 21, 2023 10:41:43 GMT 1
Well,that,s over and done with.But the amount of weeping and wailing on the TV, all channels ,is over the top.Far worse things are going on in the world.Yemen,Ukraine.forest fires,mud slides engulfing homes of people already down on their luck.It was only a bloody football match!
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Post by Macduff on Aug 21, 2023 11:13:42 GMT 1
We all know the world is a pretty shitty place at the moment Ram, shouldn't stop anyone from emotionally investing in their football team, I have done it with Town since I was a nipper. It will all calm down soon enough, the media has a habit of finding the next bad news story quickly enough.
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Post by waggers on Aug 21, 2023 11:14:49 GMT 1
The way the girls game is shoved on the general public is so far over the top it’s ridiculous. I enjoy and watch for a few reasons, firstly I think girls should be encouraged to play the game, secondly both my girls played and I’ve driven all over the north of England watching them and enjoying it, and I also think our girls are really engaging. They rise to the challenge. Equal wages and the rest of that shite is just nonsense. But let’s face facts , our two clubs are so far away from the top teams then we really shouldn’t be talking about the lack of quality in the girls game 😂😂😂 Equal wages for women is nonsense? I think the wages the blokes are payed in ridiculous. The media are talking about equal wages a lot off the back of recent events which makes no sense, I agree the excess money should be dispersed better but in the men's game as it's the men's game that brings in the money. If you separated mens and women's football in two separate Sky/BT (TNT Sports) packages and priced them both at the amount they currently cost a very small number of people would pay for the women's package. More of the huge amounts of money created by the Premier League should filter down the pyramid giving more sides a chance to put plans in place and improve facilities. I think it's great the women's game is getting more exposure and hope more girls get involved in sport of any kind but the media bore me to tears.
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Post by King Neil on Aug 21, 2023 11:24:32 GMT 1
We are just being force fed women's football
If they want equality then get your own TV deals and fans and stadiums
I would rather poke my eyes out with a rusty fork than watch women's football...just as well spain won as we wouldn't have heard the last of it!!
Forcing us to watch women commenting on men's football is spoiling it...all those great ex players being sacked just to make way for them
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Post by benhomly on Aug 21, 2023 11:29:00 GMT 1
We are just being force fed women's football If they want equality then get your own TV deals and fans and stadiums I would rather poke my eyes out with a rusty fork than watch women's football...just as well spain won as we wouldn't have heard the last of it!! Forcing us to watch women commenting on men's football is spoiling it...all those great ex players being sacked just to make way for them Just when you thought this thread might slowly fade away..............
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Post by townarentbest on Aug 21, 2023 11:29:22 GMT 1
What’s distance or finances got to do with it, Halifax (who are a fully professional team as of this season) decided not to play for a perfectly valid reason.I would hope that if Hudds Town were in the equivalent League 1 and England somehow were in a World Cup Final the same day as a scheduled game they’d have the balls to call it off too…there’d be no fans wanting the game to happen. The women’s league is at fault here for not postponing all the fixtures, not Halifax…any suggestion otherwise is rubbish. Newcastle are hopefully collectively embarrassed at their stance of not agreeing to the proposal, it’s interesting they’ve not commented as far as I’m aware….perhaps because they agree with Halifax 🤷♂️ Quite a lot actually, and it was a direct reply to the below: It is the only game that has been postponed but, to be fair, it's the one that involves the away team having to make the longest journey.
If 22 of the 24 third tier teams can play a scheduled fixture today and one of the remaining two wanted to also play then IMO there's no real excuse for a side fairly high up the women's pyramid not playing, especially when as mentioned, at least two sides have made far longer trips to their scheduled destination than Halifax would. Newcastle were the first team to turn professional at this level (can't find any sources that Halifax have since done similar, but fair enough if they have) so I naturally assumed that all the other non professional sides at this level had postponed their match today to watch the match in peace this morning, and Newcastle may have been lacking a bit of compassion with their new found wealth and not in the spirit of the women's game, but if literally every other club at that level can play, then Halifax definitely look in the wrong to me now for not doing so. 23 of the 24 clubs were willing to play the match they were scheduled to do so, not one other postponement in the other 11 fixtures, so with finding that out, I now hope Newcastle push for what they want. After seeing Nottm Forest win 7-0, and Billericay win 6-0 in the Southern league, without knowing how good Halifax are, and seeing that Newcastle's league was actually decided on GD last year, a routine 3-0 forfeit win might not be as valuable as actually playing the match out, but Halifax should be punished in some other form, perhaps a points deduction as well as a 3-0 forfeit (if Newcastle are happy with that). I appreciate some on here may have friends or family playing for Halifax, might get to some of their games and just be far more invested in the club than I am of NUWFC, but I'll repeat, not one other club in the entire third tier opted to call the match off today, a few other teams doing similar and they may have had a point, but Halifax are clearly in the minority with their stance. That other clubs did or didn't postpone is irrelevant. Halifax FC Women made the correct decision - apply the same mindset as you would do to men's 3rd tier football and the men's team being in a World Cup final on the same day, and the answer is obvious. Any argument that suggests the opposite is simply not recognising the significance of a World Cup final appearance in that sport, and the kind of argument that someone not bothered about that sport would be making...why would someone with no interest be commenting one way or another is something I find interesting, it seems like a simple opportunity to denigrate the women's game. The other 23 clubs across the North and South divisions at that level (including Huddersfield Town) are the ones that need to take a look at their selves. Although hopefully after the mens Qatari and now Australian/NZ experiments with hosting World Cups outside of the FIFA agreed windows in the international calendar, its not an issue that will ever raise its head again. (PS - Halifax are NOT professional, that was a mistake on my behalf when I was reading an article about their transition from Brighouse to Halifax).
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Post by townarentbest on Aug 21, 2023 11:31:20 GMT 1
Well,that,s over and done with.But the amount of weeping and wailing on the TV, all channels ,is over the top.Far worse things are going on in the world.Yemen,Ukraine.forest fires,mud slides engulfing homes of people already down on their luck.It was only a bloody football match! And all that stuff is on TV too 🤔 Should we cancel Coronation Street until the Asian typhoon season is over? 😆🤭
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2023 11:51:06 GMT 1
Well,that,s over and done with.But the amount of weeping and wailing on the TV, all channels ,is over the top.Far worse things are going on in the world.Yemen,Ukraine.forest fires,mud slides engulfing homes of people already down on their luck.It was only a bloody football match! Same happens with England's men but yes it's all over the top
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 21, 2023 12:28:00 GMT 1
We are just being force fed women's football If they want equality then get your own TV deals and fans and stadiums I would rather poke my eyes out with a rusty fork than watch women's football...just as well spain won as we wouldn't have heard the last of it!! Forcing us to watch women commenting on men's football is spoiling it...all those great ex players being sacked just to make way for them Which great ex pros, that gave such wonderful insight, have been sacked just so those awful women that should know their place can take their jobs ?
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Post by King Neil on Aug 21, 2023 12:43:01 GMT 1
I mentioned 2 above
Why the sudden influx of women presenters on mens football sports programmes??
They have never played the men's game and cannot give credible insight into the men's game..
All of us on here have played football...maybe one or 2 on here should have jobs with sky and bbc etc??
Towns youth team would steamroller the ladies England team...the goalkeeping is especially garbage
I didn't see England flags hanging out of windows yesterday and pubs full of England fans and cars going by playing fat les
Truth is most of us blokes couldn't give a shit about women's football and are fed up of them encroaching on our game
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Post by tepidterrier on Aug 21, 2023 12:53:31 GMT 1
I mentioned 2 above Why the sudden influx of women presenters on mens football sports programmes?? They have never played the men's game and cannot give credible insight into the men's game.. All of us on here have played football...maybe one or 2 on here should have jobs with sky and bbc etc?? Towns youth team would steamroller the ladies England team...the goalkeeping is especially garbage I didn't see England flags hanging out of windows yesterday and pubs full of England fans and cars going by playing fat les Truth is most of us blokes couldn't give a shit about women's football and are fed up of them encroaching on our game and you couldn't give credible insight to how many limbs you have, because your knuckles are permanently being dragged along the ground to the point they have fused with the earth. Alex Scott, Emma Hayes et al know more about football than you ever will, and that clearly upsets and threatens you
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Post by CanaryIsleTerrier on Aug 21, 2023 13:02:06 GMT 1
Well that’s the missus done with football, or so she says. We will see. I did tell her it can be like a very addictive drug.
Watched the game in the local bar. Packed, standing room only. About 50/50 men and women for a blokes game would be more 80/20. Some of the tourists had been in since 8 on the cocktails - you could tell.
At the final whistle I turned to the wife and simply said “it’s shit innit”
“What do you usually do now then ?” She asked.
“We have 2 options. Go home and sulk and feel miserable or stay out, blame the ref and get pissed”
Chose the latter.
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Post by King Neil on Aug 21, 2023 13:04:18 GMT 1
I mentioned 2 above Why the sudden influx of women presenters on mens football sports programmes?? They have never played the men's game and cannot give credible insight into the men's game.. All of us on here have played football...maybe one or 2 on here should have jobs with sky and bbc etc?? Towns youth team would steamroller the ladies England team...the goalkeeping is especially garbage I didn't see England flags hanging out of windows yesterday and pubs full of England fans and cars going by playing fat les Truth is most of us blokes couldn't give a shit about women's football and are fed up of them encroaching on our game and you couldn't give credible insight to how many limbs you have, because your knuckles are permanently being dragged along the ground to the point they have fused with the earth. Alex Scott, Emma Hayes et al know more about football than you ever will, and that clearly upsets and threatens you They know nothing You could almost see graeme souness cringing on sky sports having to share the same stage
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 21, 2023 13:11:00 GMT 1
and you couldn't give credible insight to how many limbs you have, because your knuckles are permanently being dragged along the ground to the point they have fused with the earth. Alex Scott, Emma Hayes et al know more about football than you ever will, and that clearly upsets and threatens you They know nothing You could almost see graeme souness cringing on sky sports having to share the same stage Ah, one dinosaur crying because another dinosaur has, thankfully, disappeared. The miserable bastard only ever looked interested if it was the bin dippers on.
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Post by King Neil on Aug 21, 2023 13:13:17 GMT 1
They know nothing You could almost see graeme souness cringing on sky sports having to share the same stage Ah, one dinosaur crying because another dinosaur has, thankfully, disappeared. The miserable bastard only ever looked interested if it was the bin dippers on. Showing your quality mow m8
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Aug 21, 2023 13:49:45 GMT 1
I see that curmudgeonly attitudes are still alive & thriving… 😉
Due to the relative success of the England team at this tournament, the profile is always going to increase. It’s the way media works folks…
It’ll calm down in a few days time when the next round of VAR controversies hits the headlines…
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Post by King Neil on Aug 21, 2023 14:17:35 GMT 1
I see that curmudgeonly attitudes are still alive & thriving… 😉 Due to the relative success of the England team at this tournament, the profile is always going to increase. It’s the way media works folks… It’ll calm down in a few days time when the next round of VAR controversies hits the headlines… That's a big word lol You never get the ugly women on sports TV do you?? Most men watching them are not thinking football when they are watching lolol
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Post by westislandterrier on Aug 21, 2023 14:37:10 GMT 1
What is being implied - or being said here... Is it the actual score or some other way of saying - One Up... Answers on a DATM postcard (this thread) to Bonnie Scotland please ! 😉 😊 Attachment Deleted
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Post by King Neil on Aug 21, 2023 14:56:09 GMT 1
Smell my finger? 🤪
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Post by Macduff on Aug 21, 2023 15:07:11 GMT 1
Ah, one dinosaur crying because another dinosaur has, thankfully, disappeared. The miserable bastard only ever looked interested if it was the bin dippers on. Showing your quality mow m8 And we've already seen yours "m8".
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Post by King Neil on Aug 21, 2023 15:17:05 GMT 1
Equal wages for women is nonsense? I think the wages the blokes are payed in ridiculous. The media are talking about equal wages a lot off the back of recent events which makes no sense, I agree the excess money should be dispersed better but in the men's game as it's the men's game that brings in the money. If you separated mens and women's football in two separate Sky/BT (TNT Sports) packages and priced them both at the amount they currently cost a very small number of people would pay for the women's package. More of the huge amounts of money created by the Premier League should filter down the pyramid giving more sides a chance to put plans in place and improve facilities. I think it's great the women's game is getting more exposure and hope more girls get involved in sport of any kind but the media bore me to tears. Couldn't agree more Also maybe a bit like paying extra to have no adverts on YouTube etc...we could pay a little extra to get rid of female pundits on sky sports
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Post by terryya on Aug 21, 2023 15:28:21 GMT 1
Equal wages for women is nonsense? I think the wages the blokes are payed in ridiculous. The media are talking about equal wages a lot off the back of recent events which makes no sense, I agree the excess money should be dispersed better but in the men's game as it's the men's game that brings in the money. If you separated mens and women's football in two separate Sky/BT (TNT Sports) packages and priced them both at the amount they currently cost a very small number of people would pay for the women's package. More of the huge amounts of money created by the Premier League should filter down the pyramid giving more sides a chance to put plans in place and improve facilities. I think it's great the women's game is getting more exposure and hope more girls get involved in sport of any kind but the media bore me to tears. I'm a supporter of women's football and think they have much more important things to concentrate on right now than red herrings such as equal pay (at the moment). In do think it's weird though that you think it's right that the big clubs/leagues that earn the money share it with other teams but only if they're men! Why shouldn't the PL keep all their money and the EFL make do with what they earn? Going even further, why should Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool etc share their money with Sheff Utd, Bournemouth and the likes?
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Post by canterburyterrier on Aug 21, 2023 15:29:30 GMT 1
I mentioned 2 above Why the sudden influx of women presenters on mens football sports programmes?? They have never played the men's game and cannot give credible insight into the men's game.. All of us on here have played football...maybe one or 2 on here should have jobs with sky and bbc etc?? Towns youth team would steamroller the ladies England team...the goalkeeping is especially garbage I didn't see England flags hanging out of windows yesterday and pubs full of England fans and cars going by playing fat les Truth is most of us blokes couldn't give a shit about women's football and are fed up of them encroaching on our game I quote the most relevant section You may be correct but maybe that is more to do with physical strength than actual skill - see tis piece from the Times on the Brazilian (Womens) team Why Brazil loss to boys side isn’t stick to beat women’s game with . The nature of the match itself tells a better story, and it is explained here thanks to Gabor Ganczer, the Football Queensland technical director. When trying to assess what team to put in against Brazil, Ganczer explained that he initially considered the under-16s, but then reflected that 15-year-olds turning 16 are pretty much men. So he went for the under-15s, where many of the boys are still developing. He also thought this particular side would be a good fit because they are technically very good for their level; the previous year, as under-14s, they had won the state championship. The match they played was divided into three sets of 30 minutes. “In the first 30, the boys didn’t really touch the ball because Brazil were so good technically,” Ganczer said. He named Kerolin, the midfielder, in particular: “She was amazing; the most technical player on the pitch. Technically on a par with professional male players.”
Yet as the game went on, it turned around. “The speed of the boys and their physicality started to show,” Ganczer said. Thus, in the way he explained it, he was describing two different games, or types of game, that were thrown against each other in a one-off confrontation. A bit like another rare confrontation, say, when rugby league players play rugby union against union players, or the other way around. Both trying to win, but with different ways of going about it.
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