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Post by onesteviekindon on Aug 21, 2023 15:31:53 GMT 1
The comparative standard of the football is open to debate but, imo, that is missing the point. Athletic endeavour between evenly matched teams can be hugely entertaining whatever the standard - I've seen many great games of youth football. Add in the nationalist element so you feel you've a dog (terrier) in the fight and it can be compelling, as I've found this tournament to be. The spirit of the competition has also been refreshing after the unrelenting cynicism of the men's game. This will likely change though as the women's game's profile continues to increase - this was potentially already evident in Spain's second half approach. I take your point and agree a game between two even sides can be entertaining. But I don’t get the hype around the women’s game when the overall quality is so poor But like I say. Each to there own but it’s not for me I hear what you're saying Chadders but you should consider that you are comparing a women's game which is still in it's infancy with a men's game that has been established for more than 100 years. I read some time ago that the Aussie matildas were struggling to find competitive opposition for practice matches. So someone suggested they take on a decent under 15's boys team. The kids hammered them 6 or 7 nil so you do have a point!
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Post by terryya on Aug 21, 2023 15:34:37 GMT 1
I've watched quite a few games between academy level u16 girls and decent grassroots u16 boys teams. In pretty much every match the girls were technically better players and, in pockets, played the better football. However, they couldn't cope with the pace and power of the boys and ended up losing quite heavily.
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Post by waggers on Aug 21, 2023 16:20:19 GMT 1
The media are talking about equal wages a lot off the back of recent events which makes no sense, I agree the excess money should be dispersed better but in the men's game as it's the men's game that brings in the money. If you separated mens and women's football in two separate Sky/BT (TNT Sports) packages and priced them both at the amount they currently cost a very small number of people would pay for the women's package. More of the huge amounts of money created by the Premier League should filter down the pyramid giving more sides a chance to put plans in place and improve facilities. I think it's great the women's game is getting more exposure and hope more girls get involved in sport of any kind but the media bore me to tears. I'm a supporter of women's football and think but think they have much more important things to concentrate on right now than red herrings such as equal pay (at the moment). In do think it's weird though that you think it's right that the big clubs/leagues that earn the money share it with other teams but only if they're men! Why shouldn't the PL keep all their money and the EFL make do with what they earn? Going even further, why should Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool etc share their money with Sheff Utd, Bournemouth and the likes? Because it's male football that brings in all the money, so I think that money should be send down the male football pyramid more than it currently is. Fair enough big clubs earn more money as they are a bigger more valuable marketing proposition but more could be done to help clubs further down the pyramid. I'm a firm capitalist don't get be wrong I'm not saying let's create a communist football league I just think more could be done to help provide 'smaller' clubs with opportunity to grow and move upwards.
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Post by terryya on Aug 21, 2023 16:48:24 GMT 1
I'm a supporter of women's football and think but think they have much more important things to concentrate on right now than red herrings such as equal pay (at the moment). In do think it's weird though that you think it's right that the big clubs/leagues that earn the money share it with other teams but only if they're men! Why shouldn't the PL keep all their money and the EFL make do with what they earn? Going even further, why should Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool etc share their money with Sheff Utd, Bournemouth and the likes? Because it's male football that brings in all the money, so I think that money should be send down the male football pyramid more than it currently is. Fair enough big clubs earn more money as they are a bigger more valuable marketing proposition but more could be done to help clubs further down the pyramid. I'm a firm capitalist don't get be wrong I'm not saying let's create a communist football league I just think more could be done to help provide 'smaller' clubs with opportunity to grow and move upwards. So, if the money cascades far enough down to provide facilities at grassroots level, should these be exclusively for boys?
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Post by townarentbest on Aug 21, 2023 16:59:23 GMT 1
I mentioned 2 above Why the sudden influx of women presenters on mens football sports programmes?? They have never played the men's game and cannot give credible insight into the men's game.. All of us on here have played football...maybe one or 2 on here should have jobs with sky and bbc etc?? Towns youth team would steamroller the ladies England team...the goalkeeping is especially garbage I didn't see England flags hanging out of windows yesterday and pubs full of England fans and cars going by playing fat les Truth is most of us blokes couldn't give a shit about women's football and are fed up of them encroaching on our game I quote the most relevant section You may be correct but maybe that is more to do with physical strength than actual skill - see tis piece from the Times on the Brazilian (Womens) team Why Brazil loss to boys side isn’t stick to beat women’s game with . The nature of the match itself tells a better story, and it is explained here thanks to Gabor Ganczer, the Football Queensland technical director. When trying to assess what team to put in against Brazil, Ganczer explained that he initially considered the under-16s, but then reflected that 15-year-olds turning 16 are pretty much men. So he went for the under-15s, where many of the boys are still developing. He also thought this particular side would be a good fit because they are technically very good for their level; the previous year, as under-14s, they had won the state championship. The match they played was divided into three sets of 30 minutes. “In the first 30, the boys didn’t really touch the ball because Brazil were so good technically,” Ganczer said. He named Kerolin, the midfielder, in particular: “She was amazing; the most technical player on the pitch. Technically on a par with professional male players.”
Yet as the game went on, it turned around. “The speed of the boys and their physicality started to show,” Ganczer said. Thus, in the way he explained it, he was describing two different games, or types of game, that were thrown against each other in a one-off confrontation. A bit like another rare confrontation, say, when rugby league players play rugby union against union players, or the other way around. Both trying to win, but with different ways of going about it. Exactly this, you don't see the women's tennis game being berated as worthless simply because Djokovic could smash every single one of them over three sets possibly without dropping a single point. Just as you don't (I hope!) get folk turning up to watch their 10 year old kids and storming off because its shit and they aren't as good as Man City. They're different sports, but sport is often watchable and entertaining as long as its competitive. England's women v Spains women is a more watchable game than watching Man City be tedious vs Forest for 10mins until Forest make a mistake and suddenly concede 6 goals. Although I did quite like watching that one too for entirely different reasons!
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Post by stinkypete on Aug 21, 2023 17:10:55 GMT 1
Thank goodness it’s over!
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Aug 21, 2023 17:23:39 GMT 1
I quote the most relevant section You may be correct but maybe that is more to do with physical strength than actual skill - see tis piece from the Times on the Brazilian (Womens) team Why Brazil loss to boys side isn’t stick to beat women’s game with . The nature of the match itself tells a better story, and it is explained here thanks to Gabor Ganczer, the Football Queensland technical director. When trying to assess what team to put in against Brazil, Ganczer explained that he initially considered the under-16s, but then reflected that 15-year-olds turning 16 are pretty much men. So he went for the under-15s, where many of the boys are still developing. He also thought this particular side would be a good fit because they are technically very good for their level; the previous year, as under-14s, they had won the state championship. The match they played was divided into three sets of 30 minutes. “In the first 30, the boys didn’t really touch the ball because Brazil were so good technically,” Ganczer said. He named Kerolin, the midfielder, in particular: “She was amazing; the most technical player on the pitch. Technically on a par with professional male players.”
Yet as the game went on, it turned around. “The speed of the boys and their physicality started to show,” Ganczer said. Thus, in the way he explained it, he was describing two different games, or types of game, that were thrown against each other in a one-off confrontation. A bit like another rare confrontation, say, when rugby league players play rugby union against union players, or the other way around. Both trying to win, but with different ways of going about it. Exactly this, you don't see the women's tennis game being berated as worthless simply because Djokovic could smash every single one of them over three sets possibly without dropping a single point. Just as you don't (I hope!) get folk turning up to watch their 10 year old kids and storming off because its shit and they aren't as good as Man City. They're different sports, but sport is often watchable and entertaining as long as its competitive. England's women v Spains women is a more watchable game than watching Man City be tedious vs Forest for 10mins until Forest make a mistake and suddenly concede 6 goals. Although I did quite like watching that one too for entirely different reasons! As a tennis fan I like your use of women’s tennis in your example. The woman’s game has evolved over the last 5 decades to become a very credible sport in its own right. So much so , that for the first time this year, I watched the women’s games as much as the men’s at Wimbledon. I’m sure that in time, the same can happen to women’s football but it seems that the media are not prepared to allow this to happen and evolve as a natural process. I’m sure that most of us accept that there is interest in the women’s game, but when it is force fed to us in sports coverage and the news , it actually has the opposite effect for me.
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Post by cojones on Aug 21, 2023 17:28:55 GMT 1
They know nothing You could almost see graeme souness cringing on sky sports having to share the same stage Ah, one dinosaur crying because another dinosaur has, thankfully, disappeared. The miserable bastard only ever looked interested if it was the bin dippers on. A bit like Gary Neville then when Manure are on!
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Post by stinkypete on Aug 21, 2023 17:50:44 GMT 1
Exactly this, you don't see the women's tennis game being berated as worthless simply because Djokovic could smash every single one of them over three sets possibly without dropping a single point. Just as you don't (I hope!) get folk turning up to watch their 10 year old kids and storming off because its shit and they aren't as good as Man City. They're different sports, but sport is often watchable and entertaining as long as its competitive. England's women v Spains women is a more watchable game than watching Man City be tedious vs Forest for 10mins until Forest make a mistake and suddenly concede 6 goals. Although I did quite like watching that one too for entirely different reasons! As a tennis fan I like your use of women’s tennis in your example. The woman’s game has evolved over the last 5 decades to become a very credible sport in its own right. So much so , that for the first time this year, I watched the women’s games as much as the men’s at Wimbledon. I’m sure that in time, the same can happen to women’s football but it seems that the media are not prepared to allow this to happen and evolve as a natural process. I’m sure that most of us accept that there is interest in the women’s game, but when it is force fed to us in sports coverage and the news , it actually has the opposite effect for me. 100% this. Women’s tennis is played at a very high standard, skill wise they are on a par with the men, it’s just physical power and speed around the court which makes men superior. However, women’s football in my opinion is of a very low standard and is on some occasions laughable (especially the goalkeepers) yet the pundits and media harp on about it as though it’s fantastic free flowing football! It’s as though nobody is allowed to be honest and say “you know what this standard at present is way off but will hopefully improve naturally in time!”. It’s being too forced at present and makes me not want to watch it. Too many folk pretending it’s something it isn’t (yet).
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Post by goodbet on Aug 21, 2023 18:10:39 GMT 1
As a tennis fan I like your use of women’s tennis in your example. The woman’s game has evolved over the last 5 decades to become a very credible sport in its own right. So much so , that for the first time this year, I watched the women’s games as much as the men’s at Wimbledon. I’m sure that in time, the same can happen to women’s football but it seems that the media are not prepared to allow this to happen and evolve as a natural process. I’m sure that most of us accept that there is interest in the women’s game, but when it is force fed to us in sports coverage and the news , it actually has the opposite effect for me. 100% this. Women’s tennis is played at a very high standard, skill wise they are on a par with the men, it’s just physical power and speed around the court which makes men superior. However, women’s football in my opinion is of a very low standard and is on some occasions laughable (especially the goalkeepers) yet the pundits and media harp on about it as though it’s fantastic free flowing football! It’s as though nobody is allowed to be honest and say “you know what this standard at present is way off but will hopefully improve naturally in time!”. It’s being too forced at present and makes me not want to watch it. Too many folk pretending it’s something it isn’t (yet). Women's tennis demanded equal pay with the men's game. This does not fit in to the equal pay for equal work, that is unless they have reduced the men's game to 3 sets since the last time I last watched a game. I would be upset if they payed a woman the same as me if they only had to do 3 days and I still had to do 5. I don't find tennis that interesting since McEnroe, Borg, Nastase and Conners played the game, it all seems a little boring and soleless now.
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Post by CanaryIsleTerrier on Aug 21, 2023 18:13:33 GMT 1
Exactly this, you don't see the women's tennis game being berated as worthless simply because Djokovic could smash every single one of them over three sets possibly without dropping a single point. Just as you don't (I hope!) get folk turning up to watch their 10 year old kids and storming off because its shit and they aren't as good as Man City. They're different sports, but sport is often watchable and entertaining as long as its competitive. England's women v Spains women is a more watchable game than watching Man City be tedious vs Forest for 10mins until Forest make a mistake and suddenly concede 6 goals. Although I did quite like watching that one too for entirely different reasons! As a tennis fan I like your use of women’s tennis in your example. The woman’s game has evolved over the last 5 decades to become a very credible sport in its own right. So much so , that for the first time this year, I watched the women’s games as much as the men’s at Wimbledon. I’m sure that in time, the same can happen to women’s football but it seems that the media are not prepared to allow this to happen and evolve as a natural process. I’m sure that most of us accept that there is interest in the women’s game, but when it is force fed to us in sports coverage and the news , it actually has the opposite effect for me. Billie Jean King kicked Bobby Riggs arse back in 1973.
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Post by goodbet on Aug 21, 2023 18:19:28 GMT 1
As a tennis fan I like your use of women’s tennis in your example. The woman’s game has evolved over the last 5 decades to become a very credible sport in its own right. So much so , that for the first time this year, I watched the women’s games as much as the men’s at Wimbledon. I’m sure that in time, the same can happen to women’s football but it seems that the media are not prepared to allow this to happen and evolve as a natural process. I’m sure that most of us accept that there is interest in the women’s game, but when it is force fed to us in sports coverage and the news , it actually has the opposite effect for me. Billie Jean King kicked Bobby Riggs arse back in 1973. Billie was top of her game at 29 and Bobby waas 55 years old. No idea how they split the mach fees.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Aug 21, 2023 18:31:28 GMT 1
As a tennis fan I like your use of women’s tennis in your example. The woman’s game has evolved over the last 5 decades to become a very credible sport in its own right. So much so , that for the first time this year, I watched the women’s games as much as the men’s at Wimbledon. I’m sure that in time, the same can happen to women’s football but it seems that the media are not prepared to allow this to happen and evolve as a natural process. I’m sure that most of us accept that there is interest in the women’s game, but when it is force fed to us in sports coverage and the news , it actually has the opposite effect for me. 100% this. Women’s tennis is played at a very high standard, skill wise they are on a par with the men, it’s just physical power and speed around the court which makes men superior. However, women’s football in my opinion is of a very low standard and is on some occasions laughable (especially the goalkeepers) yet the pundits and media harp on about it as though it’s fantastic free flowing football! It’s as though nobody is allowed to be honest and say “you know what this standard at present is way off but will hopefully improve naturally in time!”. It’s being too forced at present and makes me not want to watch it. Too many folk pretending it’s something it isn’t (yet). How many games did you watch of this tournament? I didn't watch many, but it seemed to follow a similar pattern to the men's competition. The group games showed some disparity between the teams, but as the tournament progressed there weren't any of the drubbings you saw in the group games. I don't think the men's tournament will be much different in 2026, particularly when it's going to be a 48 team tournament. I mean is that anything other than a nod to the commercialisation of the sport by FIFA? Why bother with qualifiers, why not just play a 3 month tournament with 96 teams based on rankings etc... The physicality of the women's game will never match the men's game, but technically they've come on leaps & bounds in the last 20 years. Imagine if it had been Mary Earps catching that ball into her own net like Bilo did at the weekend?
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Post by waggers on Aug 21, 2023 18:45:05 GMT 1
Because it's male football that brings in all the money, so I think that money should be send down the male football pyramid more than it currently is. Fair enough big clubs earn more money as they are a bigger more valuable marketing proposition but more could be done to help clubs further down the pyramid. I'm a firm capitalist don't get be wrong I'm not saying let's create a communist football league I just think more could be done to help provide 'smaller' clubs with opportunity to grow and move upwards. So, if the money cascades far enough down to provide facilities at grassroots level, should these be exclusively for boys? Grassroots level is a different discussion, I'm talking about excess money in the professional game being used to facilitate improvements at lower professional levels. Championship, L1, L2, National League. No issue with supporting any type of grassroot level sport male or female.
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Post by midge on Aug 21, 2023 18:45:50 GMT 1
I think in terms of Town, a serious conversation needs to be had around what 'investment' is need in the women's team, to what extent they want the club to support them and what is the end game here?
I suspect that ultimately the women's game will want some parity of exposure, pay etc but the game needs a plan of when that will be and how it will get there. Ie things like at what point will HTAFC Women start generating investment, TV revenue and sponsorship in it's own right, which it is obviously going to have to do for that vision become a reality.
At the moment, KN has all on by the looks of it to support the club as it stands now so there needs to be some realism as well as ambition in any plans!
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Post by CanaryIsleTerrier on Aug 21, 2023 18:55:32 GMT 1
Billie Jean King kicked Bobby Riggs arse back in 1973. Billie was top of her game at 29 and Bobby waas 55 years old. No idea how they split the mach fees. Didn’t realise Riggs was that old, ex world No 1 though?. Can remember a bit about it at the time and have seen a few clips about the event since. When looking for the year saw a link to the entire match, might give it watch sometime.
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Post by Matt1908 on Aug 21, 2023 18:56:15 GMT 1
I think in terms of Town, a serious conversation needs to be had around what 'investment' is need in the women's team, to what extent they want the club to support them and what is the end game here? I suspect that ultimately the women's game will want some parity of exposure, pay etc but the game needs a plan of when that will be and how it will get there. Ie things like at what point will HTAFC Women start generating investment, TV revenue and sponsorship in it's own right, which it is obviously going to have to do for that vision become a reality. At the moment, KN has all on by the looks of it to support the club as it stands now so there needs to be some realism as well as ambition in any plans! I think the easiest thing to do would probably be a one off yearly payment to the ladies team that basically allows them to play without having to subsidise themselves. Potentially look at a joint season ticket, £20 extra maybe per season ticket if that went directly to the ladies team that's around £20k per year towards costs etc. Ultimately though, if they want to be truly self sufficient they need to continue the good work they are doing with attracting more sponsors etc.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Aug 21, 2023 18:58:20 GMT 1
100% this. Women’s tennis is played at a very high standard, skill wise they are on a par with the men, it’s just physical power and speed around the court which makes men superior. However, women’s football in my opinion is of a very low standard and is on some occasions laughable (especially the goalkeepers) yet the pundits and media harp on about it as though it’s fantastic free flowing football! It’s as though nobody is allowed to be honest and say “you know what this standard at present is way off but will hopefully improve naturally in time!”. It’s being too forced at present and makes me not want to watch it. Too many folk pretending it’s something it isn’t (yet). Women's tennis demanded equal pay with the men's game. This does not fit in to the equal pay for equal work, that is unless they have reduced the men's game to 3 sets since the last time I last watched a game. I would be upset if they payed a woman the same as me if they only had to do 3 days and I still had to do 5. I don't find tennis that interesting since McEnroe, Borg, Nastase and Conners played the game, it all seems a little boring and soleless now. McEnroe etc was the golden era for tennis and I understand why you think it’s boring now. But it’s the same as in all sports really - sanitised and devoid of any characters.
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Post by stinkypete on Aug 21, 2023 19:20:24 GMT 1
100% this. Women’s tennis is played at a very high standard, skill wise they are on a par with the men, it’s just physical power and speed around the court which makes men superior. However, women’s football in my opinion is of a very low standard and is on some occasions laughable (especially the goalkeepers) yet the pundits and media harp on about it as though it’s fantastic free flowing football! It’s as though nobody is allowed to be honest and say “you know what this standard at present is way off but will hopefully improve naturally in time!”. It’s being too forced at present and makes me not want to watch it. Too many folk pretending it’s something it isn’t (yet). How many games did you watch of this tournament? I didn't watch many, but it seemed to follow a similar pattern to the men's competition. The group games showed some disparity between the teams, but as the tournament progressed there weren't any of the drubbings you saw in the group games. I don't think the men's tournament will be much different in 2026, particularly when it's going to be a 48 team tournament. I mean is that anything other than a nod to the commercialisation of the sport by FIFA? Why bother with qualifiers, why not just play a 3 month tournament with 96 teams based on rankings etc... The physicality of the women's game will never match the men's game, but technically they've come on leaps & bounds in the last 20 years. Imagine if it had been Mary Earps catching that ball into her own net like Bilo did at the weekend? It probably has come on a great deal but it still appears a very poor standard in my opinion. Agree regarding the men’s tournament, expanding it just makes the standard lower and you end up with countries like Wales and Scotland qualifying!! However the standard would still be a million miles ahead of the women’s game. Just needs more time to improve and develop.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Aug 21, 2023 19:48:25 GMT 1
How many games did you watch of this tournament? I didn't watch many, but it seemed to follow a similar pattern to the men's competition. The group games showed some disparity between the teams, but as the tournament progressed there weren't any of the drubbings you saw in the group games. I don't think the men's tournament will be much different in 2026, particularly when it's going to be a 48 team tournament. I mean is that anything other than a nod to the commercialisation of the sport by FIFA? Why bother with qualifiers, why not just play a 3 month tournament with 96 teams based on rankings etc... The physicality of the women's game will never match the men's game, but technically they've come on leaps & bounds in the last 20 years. Imagine if it had been Mary Earps catching that ball into her own net like Bilo did at the weekend? It probably has come on a great deal but it still appears a very poor standard in my opinion. Agree regarding the men’s tournament, expanding it just makes the standard lower and you end up with countries like Wales and Scotland qualifying!! However the standard would still be a million miles ahead of the women’s game. Just needs more time to improve and develop. Over to you Westie! 😀
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Post by westislandterrier on Aug 21, 2023 19:54:04 GMT 1
Women's tennis demanded equal pay with the men's game. This does not fit in to the equal pay for equal work, that is unless they have reduced the men's game to 3 sets since the last time I last watched a game. I would be upset if they payed a woman the same as me if they only had to do 3 days and I still had to do 5. I don't find tennis that interesting since McEnroe, Borg, Nastase and Conners played the game, it all seems a little boring and soleless now. McEnroe etc was the golden era for tennis and I understand why you think it’s boring now. But it’s the same as in all sports really - sanitised and devoid of any characters. Good point overton ! - McEnroe, Borg, Connors (Grunt Grunt), Cash, Becker, Lendl, Navratilova, Graf, to name a few at tennis... Hurricane Higgins, Reardon, Dennis Taylor (cracking jokes when 0-7 down to Steve Davis in 1985) Davis himself, boring but so talented, Thorburn and Griffiths had their own characteristics, Big Werbenhook his old style beer 🍺 tankards full to the gunnels, That guy that dressed up in pink suits was it Kirk Stevens - to name but a few at the snooker... The Crafty Cockney, Wee Jocky (world champion in 1982/89), The Limestone Cowboy of Bob Anderson, Leighton (Left handed ? ) Rees, John Lowe so calm and steady, a young Keith Deller, (musn’t forget Huddersfield Town fan - is it Scott Waites) to name a few from the darts... Nikki Lauda, Alain Prost, Ayrton Senna at motor racing, Barry Sheen on the motorbike racing, - Lester Piggot, Wee Willie Carson on The Gee-Gees, - The Golden Bear Jack Nicholas, The Great White Shark of Greg Norman, Seve Ballesteros ,🏴 Sandy Lyle 🏴 Nick Faldo at Golf, Ian Botham and Bob Willis at Cricket, Seb Coe, Steve Ovet, (Allan Wells, Liz McColgan of Scotland 😊 ) at Athletics... Oh what nice memories and reminiscing that is there... Life seemed to be less hectic back in these days - but we made good with what we had - and were still happy enough ! 🥃
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Post by townarentbest on Aug 21, 2023 20:26:00 GMT 1
I think in terms of Town, a serious conversation needs to be had around what 'investment' is need in the women's team, to what extent they want the club to support them and what is the end game here? I suspect that ultimately the women's game will want some parity of exposure, pay etc but the game needs a plan of when that will be and how it will get there. Ie things like at what point will HTAFC Women start generating investment, TV revenue and sponsorship in it's own right, which it is obviously going to have to do for that vision become a reality. At the moment, KN has all on by the looks of it to support the club as it stands now so there needs to be some realism as well as ambition in any plans! I think the easiest thing to do would probably be a one off yearly payment to the ladies team that basically allows them to play without having to subsidise themselves. Potentially look at a joint season ticket, £20 extra maybe per season ticket if that went directly to the ladies team that's around £20k per year towards costs etc. Ultimately though, if they want to be truly self sufficient they need to continue the good work they are doing with attracting more sponsors etc. I know its become their home, but if they want to be truly self sufficient they probably need to move from Storthes Hall.
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Post by Matt1908 on Aug 21, 2023 21:06:59 GMT 1
I think the easiest thing to do would probably be a one off yearly payment to the ladies team that basically allows them to play without having to subsidise themselves. Potentially look at a joint season ticket, £20 extra maybe per season ticket if that went directly to the ladies team that's around £20k per year towards costs etc. Ultimately though, if they want to be truly self sufficient they need to continue the good work they are doing with attracting more sponsors etc. I know its become their home, but if they want to be truly self sufficient they probably need to move from Storthes Hall. Would agree, it's a long time since I've been to storthes hall and I know it's improved since but I don't know how we'll it's set up to deal with paying spectators. Would Golcar or Emley be more suitable?
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 21, 2023 21:07:27 GMT 1
Ah, one dinosaur crying because another dinosaur has, thankfully, disappeared. The miserable bastard only ever looked interested if it was the bin dippers on. A bit like Gary Neville then when Manure are on! You mustn't watch him very often then. He's the one who's most critical of them, and complimentary of City and Arsenal.
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Post by waggers on Aug 21, 2023 21:15:09 GMT 1
Because it's male football that brings in all the money, so I think that money should be send down the male football pyramid more than it currently is. Fair enough big clubs earn more money as they are a bigger more valuable marketing proposition but more could be done to help clubs further down the pyramid. I'm a firm capitalist don't get be wrong I'm not saying let's create a communist football league I just think more could be done to help provide 'smaller' clubs with opportunity to grow and move upwards. So, if the money cascades far enough down to provide facilities at grassroots level, should these be exclusively for boys? No, as stated previously I was talking about money filtering down in terms of professional football. I feel like I'm being questioned by the old bill, I hope I've answered everything to your satisfaction.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 21, 2023 21:18:22 GMT 1
McEnroe etc was the golden era for tennis and I understand why you think it’s boring now. But it’s the same as in all sports really - sanitised and devoid of any characters. Good point overton ! - McEnroe, Borg, Connors (Grunt Grunt), Cash, Becker, Lendell, Navratilova, Graf, to name a few at tennis... Hurricane Higgins, Reardon, Dennis Taylor (cracking jokes when 0-7 down to Steve Davis in 1985) Davis himself, boring but so talented, Thorburn and Griffiths had their own characteristics, Big Werbenhook his old style beer 🍺 tankards full to the gunnels, That guy that dressed up in pink suits was it Kirk Stevens - to name but a few at the snooker... The Crafty Cockney, Wee Jocky (world champion in 1982/89), The Limestone Cowboy of Bob Anderson, Leighton (Left handed ? ) Rees, John Low - so calm and steady, a young Keith Deller, (musn’t forget Huddersfield Town fan - is it Scott Weights) to name a few from the darts... Nicky Louda, Alan Prost, Airton Senna at motor racing, Barry Sheen on the motorbike racing, - Leicester Piggot, Wee Willie Carson on The Gee-Gees, - The Golden Bear Jack Nicholas, The Great White Shark of Greg Norman, Seve Balleysterous ,🏴 Sandy Lyle 🏴 Nick Faldo at Golf, Ian Botham and Bob Willis at Cricket, Seb Coe, Steve Ovet, (Allan Wells, Liz McColgan of Scotland 😊 ) at Athletics... Oh what nice memories and reminiscing that is there... Life seemed to be less hectic back in these days - but we made good with what we had - and were still happy enough ! 🥃 I love Westies posts but some of that spelling breaks my heart 😉🤣
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Post by andyboothscat on Aug 21, 2023 21:57:03 GMT 1
Truth is most of us blokes couldn't give a shit about women's football and are fed up of them encroaching on our game “Our game” It’s the same bloody game you pathetic bozo.
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Post by terryya on Aug 21, 2023 22:04:52 GMT 1
So, if the money cascades far enough down to provide facilities at grassroots level, should these be exclusively for boys? No, as stated previously I was talking about money filtering down in terms of professional football. I feel like I'm being questioned by the old bill, I hope I've answered everything to your satisfaction. You need to stop answering the same question twice then!! 😂😂
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Post by sabailand on Aug 21, 2023 22:06:26 GMT 1
A bit like Gary Neville then when Manure are on! You mustn't watch him very often then. He's the one who's most critical of them, and complimentary of City and Arsenal. Thats why i like him as a pundit, hes Man utd through and through but hes really critical of them, he praises Man city, Liverpool, Arsenal, and saves his ire for Manu, mind you hes played in good man utd sides and it will be frustrating for him when they're basically also rans.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Aug 21, 2023 22:24:17 GMT 1
A bit like Gary Neville then when Manure are on! You mustn't watch him very often then. He's the one who's most critical of them, and complimentary of City and Arsenal. Gary Neville is an absolute top bloke in my opinion. Brilliant summariser, not afraid to say it how it is ( refreshing nowadays) and heaped praise on us when we were in the Premier League.
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