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Post by canterburyterrier on Jan 15, 2024 18:37:12 GMT 1
Their defence seems to be that they had Johnson lined up to sell at end of financial year in question but had to wait 3 months to actually sell him. Therefore the funds they got should be applied to the previous financial year when they first wanted to sell him not the actual financial year they sold him in. ! Their defence is they are more financially stable. They had offers of £30 million early in transfer window. This was enough to get them out of trouble. They waited two months in the expectation (which was correct) of a much bigger pay day towards the end of the window. As I see it they admit they broke the rules in order to be better off. Since it was deliberate I would deduct a few points more. |
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Post by royrace on Jan 15, 2024 18:50:06 GMT 1
Their defence seems to be that they had Johnson lined up to sell at end of financial year in question but had to wait 3 months to actually sell him. Therefore the funds they got should be applied to the previous financial year when they first wanted to sell him not the actual financial year they sold him in. ! Their defence is they are more financially stable. They had offers of £30 million early in transfer window. This was enough to get them out of trouble. They waited two months in the expectation (which was correct) of a much bigger pay day towards the end of the window. As I see it they admit they broke the rules in order to be better off. Since it was deliberate I would deduct a few points more. Why have rules on dates in the first place, plus everyone else is playing to those roles. Should be a non starter as a defence imo. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Jan 15, 2024 18:54:52 GMT 1
Forest charged with breaching the rules. 🤔 Bring it the fuck on! |
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Post by Dan on Jan 15, 2024 18:58:04 GMT 1
What fantastic news that is. I know it’s January, I know it’s a Monday night, but I’ve just cracked open a celebratory beer. -10 points and a £20 mil fine please x
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 15, 2024 18:58:28 GMT 1
It's happening... Leicester must be pig-sick. If the FA had done their job properly they would have stayed up instead of the Toffees. I wonder when City and Chelsea are going to face punishment 🤔 |
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Post by markthehorn on Jan 15, 2024 18:59:11 GMT 1
They will still have the media onside it seems as big clubs .
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Post by andyeastleake on Jan 15, 2024 19:03:29 GMT 1
What fantastic news that is. I know it’s January, I know it’s a Monday night, but I’ve just cracked open a celebratory beer. -10 points and a £20 mil fine please x Why so lenient? |
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Post by ilsonterrier on Jan 15, 2024 19:05:01 GMT 1
Their defence seems to be that they had Johnson lined up to sell at end of financial year in question but had to wait 3 months to actually sell him. Therefore the funds they got should be applied to the previous financial year when they first wanted to sell him not the actual financial year they sold him in. ! Their defence is they are more financially stable. They had offers of £30 million early in transfer window. This was enough to get them out of trouble. They waited two months in the expectation (which was correct) of a much bigger pay day towards the end of the window. As I see it they admit they broke the rules in order to be better off. Since it was deliberate I would deduct a few points more. But I assume that they will then be quite happy to count the Johnson money in 23/24 as well? |
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Post by nicovaesen on Jan 15, 2024 19:10:19 GMT 1
Wonder if winter would tweet that about town if we’d done the same? I highly doubt it. Probably remained silent when Forrest cheated their way into the premier league too.
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Post by morleyterrier on Jan 15, 2024 19:12:47 GMT 1
I hope they go bust.
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Post by andyeastleake on Jan 15, 2024 19:17:22 GMT 1
Wonder if winter would tweet that about town if we’d done the same? I highly doubt it. Probably remained silent when Forrest cheated their way into the premier league too. TBF to Winter his comments in the Times after the play off included (about Town & VAR) "They were denied two clear penalties....Ridiculous...". |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 15, 2024 19:20:18 GMT 1
They will still have the media onside it seems as big clubs . Here’s a solution. Create franchise football, pull up the drawbridge and go off and play in your plastic league, knowing there’s never a threat of relegation, but you’ll always be one of the whipping boys as the bigger clubs in the franchise flex their muscles… From other stuff from HW that has been posted on here, he doesn’t seem too bad, but this statement could apply to any club in any division when it comes to breaking the rules for the competition you’re in. No excuses, they know the rules, fine ‘em accordingly. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Jan 15, 2024 19:23:34 GMT 1
They will still have the media onside it seems as big clubs . One flaw with your post. Forest are not a big club. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 15, 2024 19:25:12 GMT 1
Spaffed money willy nilly on 43 players in two seasons. They knew the rules and deadlines but chose to ignore them. Throw the book at them.
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Post by dewsburyterrier on Jan 15, 2024 19:40:15 GMT 1
If they don't punish Forest then it would upset those that played by the rules and even relegated.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jan 15, 2024 19:42:29 GMT 1
I guess they are appealing - I presume they will be asking for Jon Moss and Paul Tierney to sit on the appeals panel? 2nd least appealing team I can think of |
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Post by workshyfop on Jan 15, 2024 19:43:19 GMT 1
Here’s the paradox. Forest fans moaning that the Premier League don’t want clubs like them to be able to compete with the big boys … yet they’re absolutely massive, surely?!
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jan 15, 2024 19:46:24 GMT 1
Their defence seems to be that they had Johnson lined up to sell at end of financial year in question but had to wait 3 months to actually sell him. Therefore the funds they got should be applied to the previous financial year when they first wanted to sell him not the actual financial year they sold him in. ! Sadly not accountancy, if they'd been smart there was trickery they could have applied cap ends |
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Post by Galpharmer on Jan 15, 2024 20:30:04 GMT 1
They paid £10m to Jesse Lingard. For that and that alone they should go bust.
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Post by griffa on Jan 15, 2024 20:43:43 GMT 1
Let's hope they receive 10 deduction, with relegation to follow, it would be sweet justice - UTT.
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Post by ageingterrier on Jan 15, 2024 21:26:55 GMT 1
I always thought Henry Winter had more intelligence than to suggest this only affects the two clubs involved. How about the majority of others who follow the rules.
The rules were introduced in an attempt to tackle a problem which has afflicted the Football League since it was established in 1882 (I think!) Whilst they may be ham fisted you’ve got to start somewhere.
For what it’s worth I don’t think punishments are sufficient deterrent. In the past clubs would be automatically relegated or even expelled from the League for financial irregularities. I also think owners should be stripped of Fit & Proper status without compensation if they break the rules. That would help avoid situations like Reading, Wigan and Derby have faced.
There really is no place for mitigation by employing some smart arsed lawyer. If you’ve broken the rules and not alerted the League in advance of your difficulties you’re also being deceitful. For most of us in our jobs that would result in dismissal.
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 15, 2024 21:34:09 GMT 1
Me too. Seems weird to say that and actually mean it. |
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Post by Big Ern on Jan 15, 2024 21:59:51 GMT 1
I don't hope they go bust, that's very extreme. I do however hope they have the book thrown at them and they slide down the leagues into lower league oblivion.
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Post by turbo2 on Jan 15, 2024 23:31:26 GMT 1
I don't hope they go bust, that's very extreme. I do however hope they have the book thrown at them and they slide down the leagues into lower league oblivion. 😂😂 Relegate them. Let the fat Greek bloke pull out and get relegated again to div 3 |
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Post by detox on Jan 16, 2024 0:55:29 GMT 1
I'm surprised no investigative journalist has looked into the events surrounding that play off final. I mean we played without passion, no shots on target,then coberan gets a lucrative contract in Greece from Forest owner, then a few weeks later gets sacked and paid up £ms on his contract??
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Post by nicovaesen on Jan 16, 2024 4:27:07 GMT 1
I'm surprised no investigative journalist has looked into the events surrounding that play off final. I mean we played without passion, no shots on target,then coberan gets a lucrative contract in Greece from Forest owner, then a few weeks later gets sacked and paid up £ms on his contract?? It’ll never sit right with me ever. The whole day stunk. |
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Post by rockwall on Jan 16, 2024 7:53:10 GMT 1
They will still have the media onside it seems as big clubs . Well just don't break the rules then. Clearly they don't give a shit about their fans. |
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Post by workshyfop on Jan 16, 2024 9:27:27 GMT 1
I'm surprised no investigative journalist has looked into the events surrounding that play off final. I mean we played without passion, no shots on target,then coberan gets a lucrative contract in Greece from Forest owner, then a few weeks later gets sacked and paid up £ms on his contract?? Plus, they signed our two best players on the cheap. I was surprised the club never kicked up any kind of a fuss about it. A more cynical person than me might wonder how widespread or high up the corruption went. |
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Post by detox on Jan 16, 2024 9:56:15 GMT 1
I'm surprised no investigative journalist has looked into the events surrounding that play off final. I mean we played without passion, no shots on target,then coberan gets a lucrative contract in Greece from Forest owner, then a few weeks later gets sacked and paid up £ms on his contract?? Plus, they signed our two best players on the cheap. I was surprised the club never kicked up any kind of a fuss about it. A more cynical person than me might wonder how widespread or high up the corruption went. indeed, the strange events before , during and after that game....and particularly when you read the backstory on Marinakis... did money change hands, or was it just the threats ? |
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Post by twyford on Jan 16, 2024 11:50:17 GMT 1
I always thought Henry Winter had more intelligence than to suggest this only affects the two clubs involved. How about the majority of others who follow the rules. The rules were introduced in an attempt to tackle a problem which has afflicted the Football League since it was established in 1882 (I think!) Whilst they may be ham fisted you’ve got to start somewhere. For what it’s worth I don’t think punishments are sufficient deterrent. In the past clubs would be automatically relegated or even expelled from the League for financial irregularities. I also think owners should be stripped of Fit & Proper status without compensation if they break the rules. That would help avoid situations like Reading, Wigan and Derby have faced. There really is no place for mitigation by employing some smart arsed lawyer. If you’ve broken the rules and not alerted the League in advance of your difficulties you’re also being deceitful. For most of us in our jobs that would result in dismissal. Particularly when the mitigation Forest are putting forward is that they sold Johnson, which would have balanced the books, for more money three months later. That can only be said with the benefit of hindsight and couldn't have been certain at the year end in question. Also, they could have deferred purchases until it coincided with Johnson's sale. I've more sympathy with Everton's argument which, as I understand it, relates to different accounting interpretations over payments for the new stadium. If they've lost the argument (the appeal will decide) then sobeit. It does seem perverse though that this overspend is then included in subsequent years until it drops out of the rolling three year measurement. In all probability it will mean they also fail the test again in next year's figures so three penalties for the same transgression. If however they've exceeded the annual loss figure in the most recent season then my sympathy falls away. |
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