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Post by Tinpot on Aug 8, 2023 15:12:59 GMT 1
Got Warnock's squad playing better than many of us thought capable. Then brought his own players in and it all went to shit.
First season we were great at home, dreadful away. Thought at the time it would be great if we could just get our away form like our home form. Turns out the following season we managed just that...
Paul Dalton was signed by Brian Horton and was absolute gash under him - but to be fair you could see what he saw in him once Jacko took over.
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Post by mosher on Aug 8, 2023 15:23:07 GMT 1
Bullock wasnt bombed out under Horton. He was one of 1st player picked until we had to sell due to him being banned from huddersfield town centre Horton even made him captain at one point. He had to leave the club because he was a fucking idiot off the pitch. And sometimes on it  Still one of my all time favourite players, probably because he was one of the generals in my first regular full season. That Warnock second season side just sticks in my memory, even the not so good players (don't like even calling them crap lol) stick in my mind. Yet sometimes I can't remember players who played for us last season |
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Post by araucaria on Aug 8, 2023 16:46:25 GMT 1
I’m pretty sure Bullock and Makel played together for a spell despite what other posters are saying and they were good together. Makel underrated by Town fans because he could play and had a footballing brain, but was deemed to be soft and not getting stuck in (he actually won his fair share of tackles by simply nicking the ball away from opponents when they overran or miscontrolled it). Makel started all the first 8 games of the Great Escape season under Horton; I recall that when our Dyer amazingly scored what had to be the winner against Ipswich, their Dyer was allowed to do what Mumba did on Saturday, except Dyer started his run in our half, to keep us winless. Makel just watched him go. Jacko played him 5 times after that, twice starting (subbed both times) and then three times as a sub, the last of which, a 0-0 home draw against Swindon (Bullock didn't play that day for them), saw the sub subbed after very few minutes when he hadn't done anything to get injured. That was his last appearance for us. |
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Post by town1 on Aug 8, 2023 17:48:09 GMT 1
I have very strong views about Horton. I was never a fan of his and thought he should have been sacked at the end of the previous season.
He called out players post match and I felt that lots of the injuries during his time were down to poor training methods.
In my view one of the worst managerial appointments we made during that era.
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Post by alexdire on Aug 8, 2023 18:07:01 GMT 1
I’m pretty sure Bullock and Makel played together for a spell despite what other posters are saying and they were good together. Makel underrated by Town fans because he could play and had a footballing brain, but was deemed to be soft and not getting stuck in (he actually won his fair share of tackles by simply nicking the ball away from opponents when they overran or miscontrolled it). Makel started all the first 8 games of the Great Escape season under Horton; I recall that when our Dyer amazingly scored what had to be the winner against Ipswich, their Dyer was allowed to do what Mumba did on Saturday, except Dyer started his run in our half, to keep us winless. Makel just watched him go. Jacko played him 5 times after that, twice starting (subbed both times) and then three times as a sub, the last of which, a 0-0 home draw against Swindon (Bullock didn't play that day for them), saw the sub subbed after very few minutes when he hadn't done anything to get injured. That was his last appearance for us. I was in a box for that game when he was subbed off after coming on. The Chairman came in and said that was Makel's last ever game for the club. |
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Post by 28901 on Aug 8, 2023 18:35:51 GMT 1
Brian Horton was appointed as Neil Warnock's successor in June 1995 and managed the club for just over two years. He achieved the club's highest finish since 1972 in his first season but narrowly avoided relegation in his second season. He was sacked months into the Great Escape having failed to win a game all season I'm speaking to him in the near future for an interview. He was a bit before my time, so does anyone have any memories of him or of his teams? I once heard Paul Ogden (I think) say on radio Leeds that they had to call him Mr Horton. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 8, 2023 18:43:14 GMT 1
Meh
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Post by bogart on Aug 8, 2023 20:59:07 GMT 1
Complete nob. Recall seeing him at a patron's meeting at hotel in London before a game against C Palace. I asked him a question said was not going to answer in case I was a Palace spy.
As I say a total nob.
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Post by bigron on Aug 8, 2023 21:05:16 GMT 1
A mate of mine wrote a letter to Brian Horton questioning his tactics.
A few days later there's a knock on the door and there's Brian Horton - he'd come round to discuss the points he'd raised (amicably).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2023 21:23:30 GMT 1
He took on the huge task of changing us from a ‘typical Warnock team’ to a passing, more technical one. He replaced Darren Bullock with Lee Makel, which was pretty much his mantra condensed to a single position on the pitch. He got us playing good football at times but we were lacking in character and guts - we all know how well that goes down with our fan base!! My memory is of Bully playing alongside Makel and them making a great pairing during Hortons first season until Bully just went too far with his off pitch antics and Makel's form really dived in his second season. I remember Makel in a cup game against West Ham, 97/98 season, and Iain Dowie just brushed him aside and went through and set up Hartson to score. I can't remember seeing a softer midfielder in all my life. Great ball skills but no fight at all. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 8, 2023 21:39:20 GMT 1
My memory is of Bully playing alongside Makel and them making a great pairing during Hortons first season until Bully just went too far with his off pitch antics and Makel's form really dived in his second season. I remember Makel in a cup game against West Ham, 97/98 season, and Iain Dowie just brushed him aside and went through and set up Hartson to score. I can't remember seeing a softer midfielder in all my life. Great ball skills but no fight at all. That summed up the Horton team imo . Played some nice stuff in the first season but within two years we had turned from a nasty uncompromising warnock team into a soft touch |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Aug 8, 2023 23:20:22 GMT 1
A mate of mine wrote a letter to Brian Horton questioning his tactics. A few days later there's a knock on the door and there's Brian Horton - he'd come round to discuss the points he'd raised (amicably). Did your mate have a sick relative in New Zealand? Does he still live there? |
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Post by swam4mwg on Aug 9, 2023 7:29:45 GMT 1
He started well at Town, but gradually faded. Did well with Warnock's team and played decent football, mainly in home games but then shipped most of then out. Brought some good players in such as Stewart and Morrison but they were injured a lot. Got sack after not winning any of the opening 8 games of 97/98.
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Post by turbo2 on Aug 9, 2023 8:06:01 GMT 1
Friends of my mum and dad used to sit right home
Dug out back in those days. Apparently his language was really bad 😂😂😂
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Post by capitalterrier on Aug 9, 2023 8:25:09 GMT 1
My memory is of Bully playing alongside Makel and them making a great pairing during Hortons first season until Bully just went too far with his off pitch antics and Makel's form really dived in his second season. Bullock wasnt bombed out under Horton. He was one of 1st player picked until we had to sell due to him being banned from huddersfield town centre What did bully get up to? |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 9, 2023 9:15:59 GMT 1
Bullock wasnt bombed out under Horton. He was one of 1st player picked until we had to sell due to him being banned from huddersfield town centre What did bully get up to? Getting pissed and fighting. The straw that broke the camels back was smacking a copper, from what I remember. Didn't we play the Sadlads away, just after, and they had 3 sides singing "Bullocks going down". We got the choice of selling him or losing him to Armley. |
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Post by mosher on Aug 9, 2023 10:02:30 GMT 1
What did bully get up to? Getting pissed and fighting. The straw that broke the camels back was smacking a copper, from what I remember. Didn't we play the Sadlads away, just after, and they had 3 sides singing "Bullocks going down". We got the choice of selling him or losing him to Armley. The old adage about being nice off the pitch but nasty on it DID NOT apply to Bully |
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Aug 9, 2023 10:51:50 GMT 1
I wrote a letter to Horton once in praise of his tactics, and he wrote back thanking me for the support. Can't fault the bloke, really.
Posted this on the Town v Leicester match thread, but I think it's ok here, too.
This is how I'll always remember his team (even if it was pretty much a one-off).
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Post by Bubbles on Aug 9, 2023 11:14:27 GMT 1
I wrote a letter to Horton once in praise of his tactics, and he wrote back thanking me for the support. Can't fault the bloke, really. Posted this on the Town v Leicester match thread, but I think it's ok here, too. This is how I'll always remember his team (even if it was pretty much a one-off). Tremendous performance that one,definitely wasn’t a one-off at home either, that season. |
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Post by Bill Starphuck on Aug 9, 2023 11:55:55 GMT 1
Seem to remember him once saying managing Town was was by far the most stressful period of his whole career.
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Aug 9, 2023 12:05:29 GMT 1
I wrote a letter to Horton once in praise of his tactics, and he wrote back thanking me for the support. Can't fault the bloke, really. Posted this on the Town v Leicester match thread, but I think it's ok here, too. This is how I'll always remember his team (even if it was pretty much a one-off). Tremendous performance that one, definitely wasn’t a one-off at home either, that season. Well remembered - I stand corrected on the "pretty much one-off" thing. Just been on Wikipedia for Town's record that year and there were a number of cracking games (Norwich 3-2, beat Wolves 2-1 and more); scored 42 goals at home, too - I sometimes forget that Boothy and Jepson continued their partnership under Horton. Nearly got promotion that year, too (in the first season after Warnock left - didn't someone say it was practically Warnock's team beforehand?) |
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Post by Galpharmer on Aug 9, 2023 12:09:29 GMT 1
Remember a one nil win at Watford and singing Brian Horton’s barmy army the entire second half. Crazy days.
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Post by joek on Aug 9, 2023 12:12:28 GMT 1
We beat Barnsley at home in league 3-0 and in first leg of cup 2-0 on consecutive Tuesday nights early in season. Then lost second leg 4-0 at Oakwell the week after. Was so typical of that season. Brill at home and pub team away. Really enjoyed the 95/96 season but downhill all the way for Horton from then on in. Dead unlucky with injuries to Stewart and Morrison though to be fair.
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Post by Bubbles on Aug 9, 2023 13:30:39 GMT 1
Remember a one nil win at Watford and singing Brian Horton’s barmy army the entire second half. Crazy days. I was there,Bullock scored with a header from a corner if I remember correctly,brilliant support that day. |
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 9, 2023 14:12:25 GMT 1
At the time I too thought Horton had bombed Psycho out.
At around 1hr 07 minutes Darren himself talks about his time under Brian Horton, and explains from his own perspective why he left:
I don't rate Horton as a manager at all, but I was unfair to blame him for that.
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Aug 9, 2023 14:14:07 GMT 1
Tremendous performance that one, definitely wasn’t a one-off at home either, that season. Well remembered - I stand corrected on the "pretty much one-off" thing. Just been on Wikipedia for Town's record that year and there were a number of cracking games (Norwich 3-2, beat Wolves 2-1 and more); scored 42 goals at home, too - I sometimes forget that Boothy and Jepson continued their partnership under Horton. Nearly got promotion that year, too (in the first season after Warnock left - didn't someone say it was practically Warnock's team beforehand?) Weren't the Leicester and Wolves games within a week of each other? Both teams were among the favourites to go up that season, so to beat them both in successive games was quite an achievement. IIRC the Leicester game included an appearance for them of a 17-year-old Emile Heskey. Wonder what happened to him? |
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Post by mosher on Aug 9, 2023 14:15:57 GMT 1
For a shortarse he scored quite a few headers!
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 9, 2023 16:27:31 GMT 1
Well remembered - I stand corrected on the "pretty much one-off" thing. Just been on Wikipedia for Town's record that year and there were a number of cracking games (Norwich 3-2, beat Wolves 2-1 and more); scored 42 goals at home, too - I sometimes forget that Boothy and Jepson continued their partnership under Horton. Nearly got promotion that year, too (in the first season after Warnock left - didn't someone say it was practically Warnock's team beforehand?) Weren't the Leicester and Wolves games within a week of each other? Both teams were among the favourites to go up that season, so to beat them both in successive games was quite an achievement. IIRC the Leicester game included an appearance for them of a 17-year-old Emile Heskey. Wonder what happened to him? I remember seeing a 17 year old Heskey playing against the reserves. |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Aug 9, 2023 17:21:11 GMT 1
Weren't the Leicester and Wolves games within a week of each other? Both teams were among the favourites to go up that season, so to beat them both in successive games was quite an achievement. IIRC the Leicester game included an appearance for them of a 17-year-old Emile Heskey. Wonder what happened to him? I remember seeing a 17 year old Heskey playing against the reserves. He played at Filbert Street when we lost 2-1 and he tore poor Steve Jenkins a new one that day. He was unstoppable. |
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Post by Floyds on Aug 10, 2023 6:47:01 GMT 1
I remember seeing a 17 year old Heskey playing against the reserves. He played at Filbert Street when we lost 2-1 and he tore poor Steve Jenkins a new one that day. He was unstoppable. The aforementioned Bullock scored a screamer at the other end to us. And we got wooden seats ripped out and thrown at us from the Leicester fans from the stand just to our left 😜 |
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