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Post by goodbet on Oct 21, 2023 18:26:11 GMT 1
You do wonder at times.. seriously though, we have no quality to bring off the bench. It cost us v Ipswich and apart from Nakayama today there wasn't much to choose from to change the game. That's not Moore's fault though. We'll have more quality on the bench once we've got Turton, Ruffells, Kasumu and Ward fit again (added to Nakayama who was already on the bench that makes 5 decent options). Certainly not top 10 quality but enough to keep us from the trap door I would hope. If he can bring in 2 or 3 in January as well we should be fine; if someone can remind Wiles he's a decent footballer that would be like having a new player too. I thought that our Billionaire owner was looking at the premiership in 3 years, not just keeping us away from the trap door. Wiles is still getting back from his injury and I think like one or two others we signed earlier he will take some time to bed in to the rest of the team.
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Post by boooothy on Oct 21, 2023 18:26:18 GMT 1
Think our last two games have been against relegation teams. A game that will soon be forgotten but 3 points are 3 points. I’d happily take the exact same again on Tuesday.
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Post by wildhogg on Oct 21, 2023 18:27:45 GMT 1
Today was a mentality issue more than an ability issue. We played some really nice stuff in the first 15 minutes but then, as a team, decided to relax and take it easy. The consequence was that we found it impossible to gain any momentum once they pulled one back. If the foot had been kept on the pedal we'd have been discussing a 4 or 5-0 drubbing. Burgzorg was a massively frustrating watch today, but that's what you're going to get with him on occasion.
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Post by JuryDefender on Oct 21, 2023 18:28:13 GMT 1
Moore has taken on a championship team without a single fit recognised striker. Up top, he's got little alternative to Harratt (3 goals in 24 in League 2 last year), Koroma (2 goals in 16 in League 1, before his brief purple patch with us), and Burgzorg (0 goals in 13 for Mainz last year). Yet his record to date is 1 win, 1 loss, 3 draws. Football's not been thrilling. But given the resources at his disposal that's creditable. You're quoting stats for players that mostly came off the bench last season. Nice try Darren/Kev. So with Ward injured, and Rhodes loaned out, do you want to name the top strikers he should have started instead today?
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Post by ldr on Oct 21, 2023 18:28:14 GMT 1
Just listened to Boores post match interview and he said he would need to investigate why we sat off at 2-0..... I'll help him, pearson definitely came over to Koroma with an instruction as we went 2-0 to which Koroma was not too impressed. So if that didn't come from Boore then it must of either been pearson himself or the true gaffer Hogg. Is this Boore thing on purpose? If so, why?
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Oct 21, 2023 18:29:22 GMT 1
Just listened to Boores post match interview and he said he would need to investigate why we sat off at 2-0..... I'll help him, pearson definitely came over to Koroma with an instruction as we went 2-0 to which Koroma was not too impressed. So if that didn't come from Boore then it must of either been pearson himself or the true gaffer Hogg. Was that the point at which Koroma refused to do anything positive and just kept passing it backwards?
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Post by Up the Duff. on Oct 21, 2023 18:30:44 GMT 1
I take your point, but I think he sees so much of the ball because opposition teams are happy to leave him as our spare man. That said, he shouldn't be one of our main outlets. Others should be taking far more responsibility and showing for the ball far more often. We have a team of players that on the whole seem to prefer playing on the front foot and attacking at speed. When they are told to defend and pass slowly through a press they are a lot less positive and tend not to show as readily for the ball. We have to play to the strengths of the players we have. 💯 👍👍👍
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Oct 21, 2023 18:30:50 GMT 1
Today was a mentality issue more than an ability issue. We played some really nice stuff in the first 15 minutes but then, as a team, decided to relax and take it easy. The consequences was that we found it impossible to gain any momentum once they pulled one back. If the foot had been kept on the pedal we'd have been discussing a 4 or 5-0 drubbing. Burgzorg was a massively frustrating watch today, but that's what you're going to get with him on occasion. On occasion? He is like that every game and is exactly the reason why he ended up here in the first place. If he had a brain to go with his ability he'd be dangerous
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Oct 21, 2023 18:31:04 GMT 1
A win is a win, but that was a very depressing performance after going 2-0 up.
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Post by ldr on Oct 21, 2023 18:32:31 GMT 1
Today was a mentality issue more than an ability issue. We played some really nice stuff in the first 15 minutes but then, as a team, decided to relax and take it easy. The consequences was that we found it impossible to gain any momentum once they pulled one back. If the foot had been kept on the pedal we'd have been discussing a 4 or 5-0 drubbing. Burgzorg was a massively frustrating watch today, but that's what you're going to get with him on occasion. I agree on Burgzorg but he gives us something different. Unconventional at times but one of those players that can change games.
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Oct 21, 2023 18:32:46 GMT 1
You do wonder at times.. seriously though, we have no quality to bring off the bench. It cost us v Ipswich and apart from Nakayama today there wasn't much to choose from to change the game. That's not Moore's fault though. We'll have more quality on the bench once we've got Turton, Ruffells, Kasumu and Ward fit again (added to Nakayama who was already on the bench that makes 5 decent options). Certainly not top 10 quality but enough to keep us from the trap door I would hope. If he can bring in 2 or 3 in January as well we should be fine; if someone can remind Wiles he's a decent footballer that would be like having a new player too. I didn't say it was Moores fault. He needs his own players but what I'm saying is that's not 1 or 2 players it needs to be 5,6 or even 7 to make us a solid mid table side. We do have players to come back but 2 of the ones you mentioned are injury prone and 1 is coming back from 10 months out. Moore has had 5 games. I'd say 75 mins v Ipswich, 15 today and 2nd half v Cov have been decent. The other 3.5 games, performances have been well well short of the standard needed to be mid table.
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Post by goodbet on Oct 21, 2023 18:35:25 GMT 1
Haven’t read any comments yet, but having gone two up within 14 minutes the rest of the game panned out all too predictably. Why oh why do we simply never capitalise on such a good start and really hammer someone? It’s always such a struggle with Town. Probably comes down to the quality of players we have and that will largely dictate the tactics…….irrespective of who the manager is. It is not an easy job, but we did have a different manager who seemed to be able to cope.
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 21, 2023 18:37:51 GMT 1
Numb nuts will be on before too long, telling us how dire we are. It was shit. I've been optimistic about Moore but the last few games we have played awful. 12 minutes aside we looked every bit a league 1 side.
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Post by football on Oct 21, 2023 18:38:58 GMT 1
It’s a bit worrying that he’s going to investigate it on Monday. I’d prefer a manager who can see things in real time from the touch line. He clearly orchestrated the move from 3-5-2 to 5-3-2. As someone else has mentioned, Person was over talking to him when we went 2-0 up. Person then grabbed Koroma before QPR were going to restart, passing on the message to sit back but why do this when we had them rocking. Surely pushing there winger and fullback back would be a better form of defence.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Oct 21, 2023 18:40:37 GMT 1
How and why does so much of our play go through Pearson. If that is an intentional tactic then I'd sack him tonight It’s probably a case of the opposition “allowing” us to play the ball to him, knowing his limitations.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2023 18:41:33 GMT 1
You're quoting stats for players that mostly came off the bench last season. Nice try Darren/Kev. So with Ward injured, and Rhodes loaned out, do you want to name the top strikers he should have started instead today? That's the ultimate strawman reasoning. DM has turned NW's improving squad into relegation fodder with his awful tactics.
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Post by goodbet on Oct 21, 2023 18:41:57 GMT 1
He clearly orchestrated the move from 3-5-2 to 5-3-2. As someone else has mentioned, Person was over talking to him when we went 2-0 up. Person then grabbed Koroma before QPR were going to restart, passing on the message to sit back but why do this when we had them rocking. Surely pushing there winger and fullback back would be a better form of defence. Especially as our Winback is a winger.
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Post by sabailand on Oct 21, 2023 18:43:46 GMT 1
Thoroughly depressing win. A masterclass in how not to react to going 2-0 up in 15 minutes. Koroma at left back was a particular delight. Moore is clueless. This is the game recap in a nutshell. Fuck Nagle and Moore. Shithouse football that'll send us down. Ridiculous comment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2023 18:44:42 GMT 1
As someone else has mentioned, Person was over talking to him when we went 2-0 up. Person then grabbed Koroma before QPR were going to restart, passing on the message to sit back but why do this when we had them rocking. Surely pushing there winger and fullback back would be a better form of defence. Especially as our Winback is a winger. Winger stroke striker!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2023 18:46:10 GMT 1
This is the game recap in a nutshell. Fuck Nagle and Moore. Shithouse football that'll send us down. Ridiculous comment. We'll review this in May, eh?
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Post by alexdire on Oct 21, 2023 18:50:17 GMT 1
Has anything been said about Wiles? What's up with him is he useless or is it just he's just completely unfit?
One of the reasons we ended playing deeper was his fitness. Playing with the wingbacks high up the pitch. Relies on the midfield being able to drift across and cover. As soon as Wiles was blowing out of his arse. Both Thomas and Koroma had to play deeper. The midfield was nonexistent today. Despite Hogg and Rudoni putting a shift in. They had to carry the third man.
As for Burgzorg he's more a liability than a threat to the opposition.
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Post by JuryDefender on Oct 21, 2023 18:52:09 GMT 1
So with Ward injured, and Rhodes loaned out, do you want to name the top strikers he should have started instead today? That's the ultimate strawman reasoning. DM has turned NW's improving squad into relegation fodder with his awful tactics. 1 loss from his first 5 games isn't relegation fodder. We'd all like to see great football and goals from this squad. That's why we should have hired Jesus.
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Post by delroy on Oct 21, 2023 18:54:37 GMT 1
sigh, Hudlin coming on, we are really scraping the barrel Hudlin was far superior to Harrat in winning the ball and keeping it. Apart from his very well taken goal Harratt was poor today.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2023 18:57:08 GMT 1
That's the ultimate strawman reasoning. DM has turned NW's improving squad into relegation fodder with his awful tactics. 1 loss from his first 5 games isn't relegation fodder. We'd all like to see great football and goals from this squad. That's why we should have hired Jesus. We had the best manager in EFL history who's team had started to pick up points. I really don't understand why anyone would defend Moore's awful decisions.
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Oct 21, 2023 18:57:39 GMT 1
He clearly orchestrated the move from 3-5-2 to 5-3-2. As someone else has mentioned, Person was over talking to him when we went 2-0 up. Person then grabbed Koroma before QPR were going to restart, passing on the message to sit back but why do this when we had them rocking. Surely pushing there winger and fullback back would be a better form of defence. Exactly this. We were on a roll and Moore should have let them continue to run riot rather than managing the game. He’s just spent 2 weeks with them and he should have let them off the leash for the whole game until 80 minutes. Now the seeds of doubt will be back in the players minds after that, and we’ll definitely struggle for a win, even a draw, in the next couple of games.
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Post by ldotm on Oct 21, 2023 18:59:29 GMT 1
Hoof ball. The midfield are so far apart. Rudhoni and wiles have to play closer together. Three centre halves did well. Apart from their goal. The Helik block was superb. Headley looked like he was in dream land. So slow. Let’s see how we handle 2 more games this week. Surely Hogg can’t play three in a week ? Rhodes scored again. What’s Rhodes scoring got to do with anything?
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Oct 21, 2023 19:03:16 GMT 1
Hoof ball. The midfield are so far apart. Rudhoni and wiles have to play closer together. Three centre halves did well. Apart from their goal. The Helik block was superb. Headley looked like he was in dream land. So slow. Let’s see how we handle 2 more games this week. Surely Hogg can’t play three in a week ? Rhodes scored again. What’s Rhodes scoring got to do with anything? Pretty obvious, he should be here not there, we’re missing a striker. Warnock’s massive mistake.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Oct 21, 2023 19:04:07 GMT 1
Just listened to Boores post match interview and he said he would need to investigate why we sat off at 2-0..... I'll help him, pearson definitely came over to Koroma with an instruction as we went 2-0 to which Koroma was not too impressed. So if that didn't come from Boore then it must of either been pearson himself or the true gaffer Hogg. Is this Boore thing on purpose? If so, why? It's an old variant, worse than boring?!
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Post by Art Vandelay on Oct 21, 2023 19:04:27 GMT 1
Just listened to Boores post match interview and he said he would need to investigate why we sat off at 2-0..... I'll help him, pearson definitely came over to Koroma with an instruction as we went 2-0 to which Koroma was not too impressed. So if that didn't come from Boore then it must of either been pearson himself or the true gaffer Hogg. Is this Boore thing on purpose? If so, why? He thinks he is being witty. (He isn’t).
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Post by townrwe on Oct 21, 2023 19:05:38 GMT 1
Just listened to Boores post match interview and he said he would need to investigate why we sat off at 2-0..... I'll help him, pearson definitely came over to Koroma with an instruction as we went 2-0 to which Koroma was not too impressed. So if that didn't come from Boore then it must of either been pearson himself or the true gaffer Hogg. Is this Boore thing on purpose? If so, why? Because his style of football is boring and fucking atrocious.... is that simple enough for you. But I'll stick with Boore for now before I start calling him Darren fucking atrocious football Boore.
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