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Post by yappledapple on Oct 21, 2023 19:05:42 GMT 1
Hoof ball. The midfield are so far apart. Rudhoni and wiles have to play closer together. Three centre halves did well. Apart from their goal. The Helik block was superb. Headley looked like he was in dream land. So slow. Let’s see how we handle 2 more games this week. Surely Hogg can’t play three in a week ? Rhodes scored again.
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Post by 28901 on Oct 21, 2023 19:05:51 GMT 1
I’ve never understood the mentality of managers who think ‘this is working too well, I’d best change it around to be more defensive’. Especially at home to a shocking team. It just hands them all the initiative. Its like 'I know so much more than the fans' Same with the old square pegs in round holes... never ever ends well
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Post by JuryDefender on Oct 21, 2023 19:06:06 GMT 1
1 loss from his first 5 games isn't relegation fodder. We'd all like to see great football and goals from this squad. That's why we should have hired Jesus. We had the best manager in EFL history who's team had started to pick up points. I really don't understand why anyone would defend Moore's awful decisions. Not defending his tactics. Just pointing out he's got the same points tally from the same squad as the best manager in EFL history.
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Post by 28901 on Oct 21, 2023 19:09:22 GMT 1
Don't blame me for you having the memory of a goldfish! So much is being made of that Ipswich match. It wasn't even that good, but now it's taken on a life of its own and being made out to be far better than it actually was. Nearly as brilliant as that scraped 1 0 win v Cardiff under Narcis
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Post by 28901 on Oct 21, 2023 19:10:24 GMT 1
I don’t know who we have to thank more for the three points, Helik or their manager Their subs decisions were bizarre The QPR players clearly don’t want to play for him, I can’t believe he’s still there Probably his last I reckon
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Post by richhtfc on Oct 21, 2023 19:11:53 GMT 1
The lack of patience on here is crazy, it always takes a period of time for the players to get used to the manager and for the manager to get his ideas across. Spoke to Nathan Clarke today and he agreed, it’s impossible to see consistent improvent immediately, life doesn’t work like that.
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Post by 28901 on Oct 21, 2023 19:11:58 GMT 1
Christ on a bike that was dire stuff. We'll take the 3 points but it's got to be better than that, thought we were going to smash after going 2 nowt up after 15 minutes but it was all backward after. If QPR had grabbed an equaliser could we have felt hard done by on the balance of play, probably not. Not saying QPR played well or anything but we were crap. Probably only Rudoni come out as having had a decent game and that's only for the assist for the first snd svoting the 2nd. Rudoni and Helik, mainly for that clearance.
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Post by 28901 on Oct 21, 2023 19:13:09 GMT 1
That's not Moore's fault though. We'll have more quality on the bench once we've got Turton, Ruffells, Kasumu and Ward fit again (added to Nakayama who was already on the bench that makes 5 decent options). Certainly not top 10 quality but enough to keep us from the trap door I would hope. If he can bring in 2 or 3 in January as well we should be fine; if someone can remind Wiles he's a decent footballer that would be like having a new player too. I thought that our Billionaire owner was looking at the premiership in 3 years, not just keeping us away from the trap door. Wiles is still getting back from his injury and I think like one or two others we signed earlier he will take some time to bed in to the rest of the team. You're not kidding.
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Post by 28901 on Oct 21, 2023 19:15:09 GMT 1
Just listened to Boores post match interview and he said he would need to investigate why we sat off at 2-0..... I'll help him, pearson definitely came over to Koroma with an instruction as we went 2-0 to which Koroma was not too impressed. So if that didn't come from Boore then it must of either been pearson himself or the true gaffer Hogg. Is this Boore thing on purpose? If so, why? Cos he's an unfunny prick
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Post by 28901 on Oct 21, 2023 19:17:47 GMT 1
sigh, Hudlin coming on, we are really scraping the barrel Hudlin was far superior to Harrat in winning the ball and keeping it. Apart from his very well taken goal Harratt was poor today. He just doesn't jump
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Post by tepidterrier on Oct 21, 2023 19:19:16 GMT 1
Having let it sit for a bit and read other comments, I hope today has hammered home with Moore that we're not very good at sitting back. I understand why he wanted to do it, but it doesn't work very well as a tactic with this group of players. The starting lineup was positive, and I think we could've really battered them if we kept going. But equally could've kamikazed ourselves into a 2-2. We weren't great, but not as bad as is being made out. Harratt, not for the first time, didn't really contribute a great deal aside from his goal- but so what, he scored. Wiles is still playing like he has long covid. Players seemed unsure whether to press or sit back at times.
Above all else though, we needed a win, no matter how scrappy. We showed that, as a work in progress, we have the capability to win without making it as much of an ordeal with that great first 25 minutes. I think it should come with time.
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Post by ldr on Oct 21, 2023 19:21:04 GMT 1
Is this Boore thing on purpose? If so, why? Because his style of football is boring and fucking atrocious.... is that simple enough for you. But I'll stick with Boore for now before I start calling him Darren fucking atrocious football Boore. Right, that’s hilarious. Well done. Is that simple enough for you?
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Post by townrwe on Oct 21, 2023 19:22:32 GMT 1
Because his style of football is boring and fucking atrocious.... is that simple enough for you. But I'll stick with Boore for now before I start calling him Darren fucking atrocious football Boore. Right, that’s hilarious. Well done. Is that simple enough for you? Thanks.
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Post by ACW on Oct 21, 2023 19:24:09 GMT 1
I take your point, but I think he sees so much of the ball because opposition teams are happy to leave him as our spare man. That said, he shouldn't be one of our main outlets. Others should be taking far more responsibility and showing for the ball far more often. We have a team of players that on the whole seem to prefer playing on the front foot and attacking at speed. When they are told to defend and pass slowly through a press they are a lot less positive and tend not to show as readily for the ball. We have to play to the strengths of the players we have. I don't think we tried to pass slowly through their press. After the first 15 minutes we sat deep and kicked it long for the most part. Very little attempt made to pass the ball at all.
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Post by willo on Oct 21, 2023 19:26:00 GMT 1
We have a bang average squad, we brought virtually nobody in in the summer transfer window, we have no recognised striker/centre forward with experience, we got rid of the only manager I know of who could get us results with this group of players and had us doing the basics correctly. The only outcome in my mind is another season of struggle with the possibility of relegation. We were decent for the first 15 today but sat back and the inevitable happened against a poor side at odds with each other. The 3 points are obviously welcome but a better side would have beaten us and I can see us getting a right caning next Saturday unfortunately.
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Post by htfc63 on Oct 21, 2023 19:32:28 GMT 1
Listening to Moores after match interview he was as perplexed as to why after 14 minutes we sat back and allowed QPR to come at us. Even after his half time talk they still did it so substitutions should have come earlier and players such as Koroma , Wiles and Hurkzorg really need to up their games. One of my biggest frustrations is when we sit deep or at corners we leave nobody up the pitch so when you kick the ball out it comes straight back at you. Equally for the goal the art of putting a defender on the post seems to have been lost. Anyway it’s 3 points but we will need to play much better in the coming games as the opposition will be of a higher standard.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 21, 2023 19:34:48 GMT 1
Looked decent for the first 20 mins then at 2-0 we stopped playing.
3 points helped by two good goals, the post and one hell of a piece of defending by Helik.
On to Tuesday now.
UTT!!!
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Post by goodbet on Oct 21, 2023 19:35:19 GMT 1
We have a team of players that on the whole seem to prefer playing on the front foot and attacking at speed. When they are told to defend and pass slowly through a press they are a lot less positive and tend not to show as readily for the ball. We have to play to the strengths of the players we have. I don't think we tried to pass slowly through their press. After the first 15 minutes we sat deep and kicked it long for the most part. Very little attempt made to pass the ball at all. As I said our players don't show for passes through the press hence as you indicated they had to go for the long ball approach.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Oct 21, 2023 19:36:15 GMT 1
Just hope Cardiff miss as many clear cut chances as Q P R did today
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Post by townrwe on Oct 21, 2023 19:36:18 GMT 1
The lack of patience on here is crazy, it always takes a period of time for the players to get used to the manager and for the manager to get his ideas across. Spoke to Nathan Clarke today and he agreed, it’s impossible to see consistent improvent immediately, life doesn’t work like that. Run of the mill managers, it takes a while to become average. We will never massively outperform our budget with Boore. I'm sure he's a lovely bloke, but if he didn't give the instruction to sit in and that message was relayed by Pearson to Koroma, then that suggests to me he isn't capable of running our football club and as I saw on the full time video for Wednesday at Wembley he doesn't command the respect of the players. That means one of the players made that decision on the pitch, probably Hogg but could have been someone else. When the captain is running tactics at professional level then what's the point in boore? May as well stay at home. The stuff he says In his press conferences are like soundbites excusing his own weakness'. How I see Darren is someone that will get to the players to play to their level, but not capable of rational decision or plan without alot of time to contemplate it, he doesn't have the IQ to recognise in game changes that need making. I'd accept that if I was him and employ a coach to run in game situations/tactics and Substitutions as that's what's going to keep getting him the sack. Wagner made an immediate impact,
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Post by ACW on Oct 21, 2023 19:38:58 GMT 1
I'm really hoping that the way we played in the first 15 minutes is the way Moore wants us to play, and the players reverted to type to protect a result.
To be fair to Moore, for a short period at the start of the game, we looked to have changed the way we play. Far less long balls from the back, and some encouraging combinations further up the pitch. I was hopeful that we could carry this on throughout the game, but sadly we reverted to the tired old tactic of sitting deep and kicking the ball away.
Hopefully as the games progress we will see more of the first 15 mins and less of the rest of the game. 🤞
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Post by richhtfc on Oct 21, 2023 19:40:10 GMT 1
The lack of patience on here is crazy, it always takes a period of time for the players to get used to the manager and for the manager to get his ideas across. Spoke to Nathan Clarke today and he agreed, it’s impossible to see consistent improvent immediately, life doesn’t work like that. Run of the mill managers, it takes a while to become average. We will never massively outperform our budget with Boore. I'm sure he's a lovely bloke, but if he didn't give the instruction to sit in and that message was relayed by Pearson to Koroma, then that suggests to me he isn't capable of running our football club and as I saw on the full time video for Wednesday at Wembley he doesn't command the respect of the players. That means one of the players made that decision on the pitch, probably Hogg but could have been someone else. When the captain is running tactics at professional level then what's the point in boore? May as well stay at home. The stuff he says In his press conferences are like soundbites excusing his own weakness'. How I see Darren is someone that will get to the players to play to their level, but not capable of rational decision or plan without alot of time to contemplate it, he doesn't have the IQ to recognise in game changes that need making. I'd accept that if I was him and employ a coach to run in game situations/tactics and Substitutions as that's what's going to keep getting him the sack. Wagner made an immediate impact, I think you’re massively overreacting, his record is decent, his former teams and fans speak highly of him. I think you need to stop being so knee jerk with your judgment and give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 21, 2023 19:44:44 GMT 1
Run of the mill managers, it takes a while to become average. We will never massively outperform our budget with Boore. I'm sure he's a lovely bloke, but if he didn't give the instruction to sit in and that message was relayed by Pearson to Koroma, then that suggests to me he isn't capable of running our football club and as I saw on the full time video for Wednesday at Wembley he doesn't command the respect of the players. That means one of the players made that decision on the pitch, probably Hogg but could have been someone else. When the captain is running tactics at professional level then what's the point in boore? May as well stay at home. The stuff he says In his press conferences are like soundbites excusing his own weakness'. How I see Darren is someone that will get to the players to play to their level, but not capable of rational decision or plan without alot of time to contemplate it, he doesn't have the IQ to recognise in game changes that need making. I'd accept that if I was him and employ a coach to run in game situations/tactics and Substitutions as that's what's going to keep getting him the sack. Wagner made an immediate impact, I think you’re massively overreacting, his record is decent, his former teams and fans speak highly of him. I think you need to stop being so knee jerk with your judgment and give him the benefit of the doubt. He thought Fotheringham was a good manager, enough said 🤣
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Post by richhtfc on Oct 21, 2023 19:46:39 GMT 1
I think you’re massively overreacting, his record is decent, his former teams and fans speak highly of him. I think you need to stop being so knee jerk with your judgment and give him the benefit of the doubt. He thought Fotheringham was a good manager, enough said 🤣 Who did?
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 21, 2023 19:48:31 GMT 1
He thought Fotheringham was a good manager, enough said 🤣 Who did? Supernovak/townrwe. Just a WUM.
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Post by goodbet on Oct 21, 2023 19:54:09 GMT 1
Supernovak/townrwe. Just a WUM. I thought it was slapper who thought that Buzz would have kept us up and we did not need to bring in Warnock.
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Post by tockyterrier on Oct 21, 2023 19:56:45 GMT 1
Thoroughly depressing win. A masterclass in how not to react to going 2-0 up in 15 minutes. Koroma at left back was a particular delight. Moore is clueless. To be fair. Moore said it wasn't good enough afterwards as well.
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Post by Teddington Ted on Oct 21, 2023 19:59:08 GMT 1
Anyway, points on the board are what really matter. Fingers crossed there’s plenty of learning going on behind the scenes and performances lances follow in the near future.
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Post by Paphos Terrier on Oct 21, 2023 20:02:06 GMT 1
Apart from 2 very well taken goals and a great bit of defending the game is instantly forgettable. 3 points and a win is a win, we've now started under Moore but why do we go back into this shell after 20 mins?
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Post by turbo2 on Oct 21, 2023 20:05:22 GMT 1
We have a bang average squad, we brought virtually nobody in in the summer transfer window, we have no recognised striker/centre forward with experience, we got rid of the only manager I know of who could get us results with this group of players and had us doing the basics correctly. The only outcome in my mind is another season of struggle with the possibility of relegation. We were decent for the first 15 today but sat back and the inevitable happened against a poor side at odds with each other. The 3 points are obviously welcome but a better side would have beaten us and I can see us getting a right caning next Saturday unfortunately. For 15 minutes we looked great. No idea what happened after that. Very lucky to get the 3 points in the end. Struggling to see what the plan is at the moment
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