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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Oct 22, 2023 7:34:55 GMT 1
I don't know what it is that causes flat atmosphere at the JSS but pumping out even more ear drum busting music is definitely not the aradeanswer. You can't even converse with people next to you pre match because the noise means you can't hear each other. Meanwhile Phil Parkinson took his Wrexham team to Bradford yesterday saying how difficult it is to play there with the noise and atmosphere from 21000 fans in Valley parade. Now I'm no Bradford fan but they seem to have something going there even in the lower end of league 2. Maybe someone should go and see how they do that. That's just Phil Parkinson playing up to his former fans.
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Post by midlander on Oct 22, 2023 7:35:47 GMT 1
All these comments about how Nagle 'doesn't get it' just because he offers an alternative to improve atmosphere. Lots of clubs use goal music. Every German club I have been to uses goal music and they have fantastic atmospheres in general. Why is Nagle's comment so wrong? Not saying I want goal music or that it would improve what was a flat stadium yesterday, but equally it isn't a suggestion that should cause Nagle to be derided for. He is engaging with fans and looking for solutions/improvements and open to suggestions. Surely that is the most important take.
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Post by ben1987 on Oct 22, 2023 7:47:55 GMT 1
First and foremost we go to football to be entertained. Chuck as much money at music, food etc but if we are sitting on a lead after 15 minutes then fans won't be entertained. TEAM first and everything else will follow. He can't fix the 'atmosphere' until January end of. Can somebody on Twatter tell him we don't want music played after a goal. That is embarrassing! I wish he’d stop blabbering on social media and actually speak to fans groups directly about things like this first.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Oct 22, 2023 7:55:16 GMT 1
All these comments about how Nagle 'doesn't get it' just because he offers an alternative to improve atmosphere. Lots of clubs use goal music. Every German club I have been to uses goal music and they have fantastic atmospheres in general. Why is Nagle's comment so wrong? Not saying I want goal music or that it would improve what was a flat stadium yesterday, but equally it isn't a suggestion that should cause Nagle to be derided for. He is engaging with fans and looking for solutions/improvements and open to suggestions. Surely that is the most important take. ‘He doesn’t get it.’ An American billionaire entrepreneur living in California doesn’t understand the culture of English football and the psyche of town fans in particular after spending a few weeks here and owning the club a few months. Why is that a surprise to some people? The takeaway is not that a quick throwaway suggestion on Twitter means he’s an idiot, it means that he cares about improving things. Fuck me. He’s made an error getting rid of Warnock so early (rumours are that Warnock’s conduct led to the decision so mitigating circumstances on that) but other than that he’s done a good job so far. Also his character seems just what we would want, particularly when you consider some of the weapons like Chansiri we could have had. Also, improving the fan experience and increasing club revenue is exactly what we should be doing. It shows he cares and has a plan. Not to the detriment of the playing side obviously. But it sounds as though a striker deal fell through and not through want of trying.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 22, 2023 7:56:16 GMT 1
All these comments about how Nagle 'doesn't get it' just because he offers an alternative to improve atmosphere. Lots of clubs use goal music. Every German club I have been to uses goal music and they have fantastic atmospheres in general. Why is Nagle's comment so wrong? Not saying I want goal music or that it would improve what was a flat stadium yesterday, but equally it isn't a suggestion that should cause Nagle to be derided for. He is engaging with fans and looking for solutions/improvements and open to suggestions. Surely that is the most important take. It's pretty obvious to anyone that knows the first thing about football what will improve the atmosphere. The only time that ground has ever been rocking is when we're doing well on the pitch. It's not rocket science yet Nagle doesn't seem to understand that. It seems to me that he sees a minority of comments on Twitter and thinks that that's what the majority of fans want. He's just so naive. If he wants the atmosphere to improve, he needs to get his hand in his pocket, fund a playing squad that's competitive in this league, rather than one that is in a continuous struggle, and then he might just see the atmosphere improve. Apathy has set in because although we have a new owner and lots of noise has been made around that, nothing has actually changed.
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Post by CurlyWurly on Oct 22, 2023 7:57:14 GMT 1
I can't believe the amount on here who are happy to watch the 265 mins of football we've put out against QPR, Wednesday and Birmingham.
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Post by ben1987 on Oct 22, 2023 8:02:22 GMT 1
My God, he just doesn't get it. At all. Please God no. Clappers and goal music means I'm probably going to call it a day as a supporter. All that needed to create an atmosphere and enjoyable experience is commitment, entertaining attacking play, with the odd goal and win. I really don't need anything else. He’s starting to wind me up a bit. I wish he would think before he engages. How you engage is as important as engaging itself. You have a supporters group that’s been actively trying to improve the atmosphere for 9 years, created fan funded displays and tried to bring colour and life to a stadium and his best suggestion to improve things is goal music. Frustrating. Why not talk to fans groups directly first? One fan on Twitter suggested more fan funded displays, he didn’t seem to know anything about them. Do your research. Apart from speaking to fan groups directly rather than having the verbal shits on Twitter, actually give the fans something to be inspired about on the pitch instead of boring, negative football. Supporters groups can only take you so far, I’ve never seen the south stand as empty as this since it’s trial games and first full season. It’s declining rapidly and spreading through the stands like a virus. For me personally, I’m clinging on to being a SC holder. I’ve lost my pre match drinking hole in the Gas Club. Left and abandoned to rot and no doubt pulled down. I turn up, go to my seat and hope for the best. The last of the vibe and soul we had went when Hoyle took a shotgun to the club after the play off final. Since then it’s really dropped and no goal music is going to improve it. The last thing the fans and the Cowshed Loyal want after 9 years of hard work is some music blasting out after we’ve scored.
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Post by harris on Oct 22, 2023 8:07:09 GMT 1
First and foremost we go to football to be entertained. Chuck as much money at music, food etc but if we are sitting on a lead after 15 minutes then fans won't be entertained. TEAM first and everything else will follow. He can't fix the 'atmosphere' until January end of. Owner/club makes a suggestion, fans say no, so it won’t happen. Isn’t that EXACTLY how it should be?
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Post by drumriggend on Oct 22, 2023 8:21:09 GMT 1
Valuable 3 points..
Poor watch..
Which idiot played koroma at left back..
Wiles is the perfect replacement for Scott high(completely anonymous)..
DB7 is starting to boil my piss..
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Post by ringdisco on Oct 22, 2023 8:28:30 GMT 1
First and foremost we go to football to be entertained. Chuck as much money at music, food etc but if we are sitting on a lead after 15 minutes then fans won't be entertained. TEAM first and everything else will follow. He can't fix the 'atmosphere' until January end of. Shouldn't be like that, though. "Support", be the 12th man, win, lose or draw. Make it a proper cauldron.
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Post by mightyterrier on Oct 22, 2023 8:30:08 GMT 1
Did we win?
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Post by bullterrier on Oct 22, 2023 8:34:51 GMT 1
Happy to have goal music I think it adds to the atmosphere the one that sticks out is Leicester we got beat 3-0 and I was sick of listening to it but if your a home fan it would be great
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Post by yappledapple on Oct 22, 2023 8:37:15 GMT 1
Can’t really complain with his assessment…
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Oct 22, 2023 8:37:23 GMT 1
Very much a work in progress on and off the pitch.
Don't forget that Nagle probably didn't know much (if anything) about Town or the championship. English football is new to him and he's still learning.
He won't get everything right, won't/can't please all of the people all of the time. At least by responding to the tweet we know that he is aware the atmosphere was crap. He came up with an idea and rightly got turned down by fans. Suppose that means there won't be goal music. Dont forget Sean Jarvis and others have trialled all of this in the past too.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Oct 22, 2023 8:41:46 GMT 1
Haven’t read the whole thread, this is probably already posted. Class.
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Post by durhamterrier on Oct 22, 2023 8:44:58 GMT 1
I presume that Ben Wiles is miles away from being fit - he was once again blowing out of his backside early in both halfs. Additionally his body language suggests that he is a very unhappy player - something is obviously wrong, and whatever it is needs sorting as soon as possible. He's getting worse by the week. On another note, oh for a striker !!! Played a couple of nice passes but did little else . Strikes me as a more mobile Norwood (when he played for us) in that he goes missing when the chips are down but when we were 2-0 up was involved in everything
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Post by rockwall on Oct 22, 2023 9:14:09 GMT 1
Explain this.. The facts are facts. So what's you're problem? Admins can ban me, but every reply you out, you are a complete customer. Your facts are facts in your own head. That's why you get a 'LOL ... penis' every week. No need for mods intervention with bans because I'm living rent free. Moore 6 points from 1st 5 Warnock 4 points from 1st 5. It isn't made up. It's not in my head. Living rent free? You're the one who pipes up with a pointless comment each week.
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Post by wildhogg on Oct 22, 2023 9:16:41 GMT 1
I presume that Ben Wiles is miles away from being fit - he was once again blowing out of his backside early in both halfs. Additionally his body language suggests that he is a very unhappy player - something is obviously wrong, and whatever it is needs sorting as soon as possible. He's getting worse by the week. On another note, oh for a striker !!! Played a couple of nice passes but did little else . Strikes me as a more mobile Norwood (when he played for us) in that he goes missing when the chips are down but when we were 2-0 up was involved in everything My sense of his body language was that he was getting very annoyed with himself. I think he's probably low on confidence, having come to a new club and not exactly hit the ground running. A goal would really help him. I've seen enough from him to think that he'll be a real asset when he's firing. His game is massively dependent on being 110% fit, which is probably another factor for him at the moment. He's missed a lot of football.
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Post by malcolmbrown on Oct 22, 2023 9:17:21 GMT 1
Fact is that
(1) Yesterday was beyond dull to watch.
(2) At the best of times 95% of Town fans don't make a noise.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Oct 22, 2023 9:33:09 GMT 1
Your facts are facts in your own head. That's why you get a 'LOL ... penis' every week. No need for mods intervention with bans because I'm living rent free. Moore 6 points from 1st 5 Warnock 4 points from 1st 5. It isn't made up. It's not in my head. Living rent free? You're the one who pipes up with a pointless comment each week. He's coming in to a fairly stable club with players who know what they're doing. Warnock came in to an absolute disaster zone
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 22, 2023 9:45:28 GMT 1
Moore 6 points from 1st 5 Warnock 4 points from 1st 5. It isn't made up. It's not in my head. Living rent free? You're the one who pipes up with a pointless comment each week. He's coming in to a fairly stable club with players who know what they're doing. Warnock came in to an absolute disaster zone Don't let that get in the way of a good agenda.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 22, 2023 9:51:23 GMT 1
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Post by ACW on Oct 22, 2023 9:57:38 GMT 1
He will get somethings right, and others wrong, but the fact that Nagle is prepared to engage/listen is a good thing, surely?
As Ben says above, he might be better engaging in different ways - directly with established supporters groups for example - but at least he's communicating, aware of issues and appears to have a genuine ambition to change things for the better.
It's not that long ago that many were criticising the club for lack of communication and engagement with fans.
As many have already alluded to, the bottom line is that if the football improves, everything else will follow. That has to be the priority. Otherwise we are putting the cart before the horse.
There are always fans who only care about the result, however it comes, but there are plenty who want to enjoy the actual match as well. No one expects champagne football every week, but when it's boring most weeks, and doesn't seem to be improving, that's when people start to vote with their feet. Some might not agree with that, but that's the way it is.
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Post by ACW on Oct 22, 2023 9:59:10 GMT 1
I presume that Ben Wiles is miles away from being fit - he was once again blowing out of his backside early in both halfs. Additionally his body language suggests that he is a very unhappy player - something is obviously wrong, and whatever it is needs sorting as soon as possible. He's getting worse by the week. On another note, oh for a striker !!! Played a couple of nice passes but did little else . Strikes me as a more mobile Norwood (when he played for us) in that he goes missing when the chips are down but when we were 2-0 up was involved in everything I thought he was excellent in the first 15 mins but, as you say, went missing for the rest of the match.
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Post by rab030 on Oct 22, 2023 10:02:27 GMT 1
Moore 6 points from 1st 5 Warnock 4 points from 1st 5. It isn't made up. It's not in my head. Living rent free? You're the one who pipes up with a pointless comment each week. He's coming in to a fairly stable club with players who know what they're doing. Warnock came in to an absolute disaster zone Is this the same STABLE club that most fans said only NW could get results from? Is it the same one that has no championship players and is a certainty for relegation? Is it the same one that has the smallest squad because it sold all its players? Is it the same team that will only play for NW and will all feel disillusioned now that he’s gone?
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Post by rab030 on Oct 22, 2023 10:02:37 GMT 1
Moore 6 points from 1st 5 Warnock 4 points from 1st 5. It isn't made up. It's not in my head. Living rent free? You're the one who pipes up with a pointless comment each week. He's coming in to a fairly stable club with players who know what they're doing. Warnock came in to an absolute disaster zone Is this the same STABLE club that most fans said only NW could get results from? Is it the same one that has no championship players and is a certainty for relegation? Is it the same one that has the smallest squad because it sold all its players? Is it the same team that will only play for NW and will all feel disillusioned now that he’s gone?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Oct 22, 2023 10:02:46 GMT 1
Just watched the extended highlights on You Tube and on that watch you have to say maybe QPR deserved a point from that game.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 22, 2023 10:05:31 GMT 1
In QPRs 3 away games before yesterday they beat Middlesbrough 2-0, drew with Birmingham 0-0 and lost narrowly 1-0 at Leeds and should have snatched a draw at the end.
They were never just going to roll over for a belly tickle.
It's a massive 3 points for us at the end of the day and listening to the interviews the lads know they have things they need to improve on going into another big home game on Tuesday.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2023 10:05:34 GMT 1
All these comments about how Nagle 'doesn't get it' just because he offers an alternative to improve atmosphere. Lots of clubs use goal music. Every German club I have been to uses goal music and they have fantastic atmospheres in general. Why is Nagle's comment so wrong? Not saying I want goal music or that it would improve what was a flat stadium yesterday, but equally it isn't a suggestion that should cause Nagle to be derided for. He is engaging with fans and looking for solutions/improvements and open to suggestions. Surely that is the most important take. The owner getting stick for making a suggestion,as if he doesn't have the right? He now knows the vast majority dont like it
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Post by turbo2 on Oct 22, 2023 10:15:08 GMT 1
Played a couple of nice passes but did little else . Strikes me as a more mobile Norwood (when he played for us) in that he goes missing when the chips are down but when we were 2-0 up was involved in everything I thought he was excellent in the first 15 mins but, as you say, went missing for the rest of the match. In wiles defence he wasn’t the only one. Bizarre game. Looked like a walk in the park first 15 minutes.
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