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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Oct 22, 2023 10:16:01 GMT 1
Vital win, but a crap performance. Hopefully Koroma won’t be appearing at LB again. No point discussing the atmosphere in the ground until the team start playing better stuff, the two things go hand in hand.
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Post by benhomly on Oct 22, 2023 10:40:58 GMT 1
Played a couple of nice passes but did little else . Strikes me as a more mobile Norwood (when he played for us) in that he goes missing when the chips are down but when we were 2-0 up was involved in everything My sense of his body language was that he was getting very annoyed with himself. I think he's probably low on confidence, having come to a new club and not exactly hit the ground running. A goal would really help him. I've seen enough from him to think that he'll be a real asset when he's firing. His game is massively dependent on being 110% fit, which is probably another factor for him at the moment. He's missed a lot of football. Well we might as well never pick him again then because nobody can be 110% fit. 100% yes
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 22, 2023 10:45:32 GMT 1
The atmosphere perked up after the goals, but then died off until the second half.
Once there were a few tackles going in and Town had to counter the QPR threat, with the occasional burst from us, things perked up in the stands. That and the occasional decision from the Ref.
We’re a tepid watch, as are many sides, the crowd needs a bit of gung ho football to get ‘em going, which is what we saw a bit of in the first 15 mins.
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 22, 2023 10:54:18 GMT 1
First and foremost we go to football to be entertained. Chuck as much money at music, food etc but if we are sitting on a lead after 15 minutes then fans won't be entertained. TEAM first and everything else will follow. He can't fix the 'atmosphere' until January end of. My God, he just doesn't get it. At all. He said he was open to what supporters have to say. If we don't want it we don't get it. What's hard to understand about that? The constant sniping is tiresome, at least he actually gives a shit and is trying to improve things unlike previous custodians.
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 22, 2023 10:57:33 GMT 1
You can try and lift the atmosphere artificially all you want but it will make sod all difference if fans aren't enthused to be there in the first place The promotion season was electric from day one at which point we didn't know if we would be in a relegation battle or be promotion contenders. The style of football and excitement at seeing the club have a go in the transfer market were the key ingredients. As for the open corners being to blame, well they didn't seem to be a problem that season. Currently we've got a club that's scrimping in the transfer market, appointing an inferior manager to the one we had signed up for the season and a squad of players who on the whole are grafters but extremely limited in technical ability. Add in the apathy of being owned by an American who doesn't really "get it" and it's hardly a recipe for a rocking stadium Now this I do agree with. If the quality on the pitch is shite then it will make sod all difference doing all the things off it because the fans will not come. Its like we are doing things backwards. Improve the quality of the side, the crowds will increase and so will the revenue. Investing in stuff that nobody is going to use because they don't want to come and watch us play shit every week is pointless.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 22, 2023 11:03:17 GMT 1
My God, he just doesn't get it. At all. He said he was open to what supporters have to say. If we don't want it we don't get it. What's hard to understand about that? The constant sniping is tiresome, at least he actually gives a shit and is trying to improve things unlike previous custodians. The previous custodian gave me the best years of my supporting life. And yours' too, I imagine. The current custodian has a long way to go to be even mentioned in the same breath as the previous custodian.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 22, 2023 11:04:09 GMT 1
The atmosphere perked up after the goals, but then died off until the second half. Once there were a few tackles going in and Town had to counter the QPR threat, with the occasional burst from us, things perked up in the stands. That and the occasional decision from the Ref. We’re a tepid watch, as are many sides, the crowd needs a bit of gung ho football to get ‘em going, which is what we saw a bit of in the first 15 mins.And under the previous manager.
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Post by Paphos Terrier on Oct 22, 2023 11:13:11 GMT 1
My sense of his body language was that he was getting very annoyed with himself. I think he's probably low on confidence, having come to a new club and not exactly hit the ground running. A goal would really help him. I've seen enough from him to think that he'll be a real asset when he's firing. His game is massively dependent on being 110% fit, which is probably another factor for him at the moment. He's missed a lot of football. Well we might as well never pick him again then because nobody can be 110% fit. 100% yes You can get yourself 100℅ fit but it's that MATCH fitness that gives you that extra 10% on your opponent. Wiles to me is still playing on that ankle injury of last year, it's in his head all the time will it hold up to a 50/50 tackle, his fitness isn't there no turn of speed. Ankles not an easy injury to run off, hope he gets over it for his sake and ours
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 22, 2023 11:21:04 GMT 1
He said he was open to what supporters have to say. If we don't want it we don't get it. What's hard to understand about that? The constant sniping is tiresome, at least he actually gives a shit and is trying to improve things unlike previous custodians. The previous custodian gave me the best years of my supporting life. And yours' too, I imagine. The current custodian has a long way to go to be even mentioned in the same breath as the previous custodian. Until he got bored and wanted all of his money back.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 22, 2023 11:26:38 GMT 1
The previous custodian gave me the best years of my supporting life. And yours' too, I imagine. The current custodian has a long way to go to be even mentioned in the same breath as the previous custodian. Until he got bored and wanted all of his money back. Until he nearly died, you mean. The good far outweighs the bad, and his biggest mistake was selling it to that arsehole Hodgkinson. Either way, we've not had a better owner than Hoyle in modern times.
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Post by ram on Oct 22, 2023 11:30:31 GMT 1
If the new owner is,as he states,listening to the fans.Here is what is wanted to raise the atmosphere Kevin: better players and a better manager,that is just for starters.....A continuation of games played at the quality so far will have the opposite effect. It costs Brass to run a successful club lad !
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 22, 2023 11:31:58 GMT 1
Until he got bored and wanted all of his money back. Until he nearly died, you mean. The good far outweighs the bad, and his biggest mistake was selling it to that arsehole Hodgkinson. Either way, we've not had a better owner than Hoyle in modern times. Na I'm not having that being thrown about. His poor health was horrible and nobody ever wished him ill however the sale to Hodgkinson and the subsequent debt repayment from the parachute payments was all his doing. The club span down the shitter soon after and now we have an owner trying his hardest to improve fan experience and improve the club yet all you seem to do is bitch about him. The premier league years are long gone and the shit show that happened since he has to take responsibility for.
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Post by kjf on Oct 22, 2023 11:34:38 GMT 1
Yes it wasn't a great performance yesterday but atleast we won
Need to build on that win now UTT
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 22, 2023 11:37:07 GMT 1
Until he nearly died, you mean. The good far outweighs the bad, and his biggest mistake was selling it to that arsehole Hodgkinson. Either way, we've not had a better owner than Hoyle in modern times. Na I'm not having that being thrown about. His poor health was horrible and nobody ever wished him ill however the sale to Hodgkinson and the subsequent debt repayment from the parachute payments was all his doing. The club span down the shitter soon after and now we have an owner trying his hardest to improve fan experience and improve the club yet all you seem to do is bitch about him. The premier league years are long gone and the shit show that happened since he has to take responsibility for. The sale came directly after his bad health, as did the loss of his mojo. I agree that the bad decisions kept coming after that period, but to ignore all the good and just focus on the bad couple of years is rather silly. Name me a better owner in our history? And who's bitching? I'm still waiting for him to actually do something. It's all just words and noise at the moment.
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Post by prepare on Oct 22, 2023 11:41:34 GMT 1
Run of the mill managers, it takes a while to become average. We will never massively outperform our budget with Boore. I'm sure he's a lovely bloke, but if he didn't give the instruction to sit in and that message was relayed by Pearson to Koroma, then that suggests to me he isn't capable of running our football club and as I saw on the full time video for Wednesday at Wembley he doesn't command the respect of the players. That means one of the players made that decision on the pitch, probably Hogg but could have been someone else. When the captain is running tactics at professional level then what's the point in boore? May as well stay at home. The stuff he says In his press conferences are like soundbites excusing his own weakness'. How I see Darren is someone that will get to the players to play to their level, but not capable of rational decision or plan without alot of time to contemplate it, he doesn't have the IQ to recognise in game changes that need making. I'd accept that if I was him and employ a coach to run in game situations/tactics and Substitutions as that's what's going to keep getting him the sack. Wagner made an immediate impact, Just kindly fuck off you absolute weapon. Stick to inventing transfer rumours you cockwomble. For as long as you call him Boore, I shall call you Townrwefucktheshitoffyoumelt. Prick agree he really spouts tripe
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Post by htfcfcfc on Oct 22, 2023 11:44:26 GMT 1
Did we lose yesterday?
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Post by andyeastleake on Oct 22, 2023 12:06:04 GMT 1
Moore 6 points from 1st 5 Warnock 4 points from 1st 5. You're correct facts are facts .... ........but I'm not sure you're doing yourself (or DM TBF) any favours starting that comparison. How likely do you think 33 points from 22 games is?
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Post by sabailand on Oct 22, 2023 12:13:58 GMT 1
You'd think so, it wasnt great but i'd be more than happy if we won on tues in similar circumstances.
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Post by benhomly on Oct 22, 2023 12:15:23 GMT 1
Well we might as well never pick him again then because nobody can be 110% fit. 100% yes You can get yourself 100℅ fit but it's that MATCH fitness that gives you that extra 10% on your opponent. Wiles to me is still playing on that ankle injury of last year, it's in his head all the time will it hold up to a 50/50 tackle, his fitness isn't there no turn of speed. Ankles not an easy injury to run off, hope he gets over it for his sake and ours It'll only give you 10% on your opponent if they are only 90% match fit. Sorry, I should put this in 'those things that really annoy you thread but are of little importance'. You cannot be more than 100% fit.
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Post by goodbet on Oct 22, 2023 12:16:14 GMT 1
Corberan chose to leave. We weren't in a position of strength when Wagner left we were in the decline. Warnock arrested the decline and was moving us forward but over the last 4/5 games we've regressed again 1 defeat in 5, but yeah we have regressed Moore by the way has more points than Warnock in his first 5 games. Warnock did not have the opportunity to follow someone who managed to knock our players in to a team. Moore obviously stepped into a steady ship, and he appears to have made the cabin boy the navigator.
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Post by ACW on Oct 22, 2023 12:19:43 GMT 1
In QPRs 3 away games before yesterday they beat Middlesbrough 2-0, drew with Birmingham 0-0 and lost narrowly 1-0 at Leeds and should have snatched a draw at the end. They were never just going to roll over for a belly tickle. It's a massive 3 points for us at the end of the day and listening to the interviews the lads know they have things they need to improve on going into another big home game on Tuesday. Yes, to be fair to QPR, after the first 15 mins they played quite well. They were much better than I thought they would be. And played far more football than I expected from an Ainsworth team. I was expecting an aerial bombardment.
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Post by ACW on Oct 22, 2023 12:20:31 GMT 1
You can get yourself 100℅ fit but it's that MATCH fitness that gives you that extra 10% on your opponent. Wiles to me is still playing on that ankle injury of last year, it's in his head all the time will it hold up to a 50/50 tackle, his fitness isn't there no turn of speed. Ankles not an easy injury to run off, hope he gets over it for his sake and ours It'll only give you 10% on your opponent if they are only 90% match fit. Sorry, I should put this in 'those things that really annoy you thread but are of little importance'. You cannot be more than 100% fit. I agree with you. 110%. 😉
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 22, 2023 12:22:20 GMT 1
Moore 6 points from 1st 5 Warnock 4 points from 1st 5. You're correct facts are facts .... ........but I'm not sure you're doing yourself (or DM TBF) any favours starting that comparison. How likely do you think 33 points from 22 games is? Last season is done. Warnock got 8 points from 7 games this season before he left, Moore is currently on 6 points from 5 games with a chance to make it 9 from 6 on Tuesday. Warnock knew the squad inside out after last season and having the lads for pre-season, Moore has been here for 5 games and has had an international break to try and get some ideas across, before that it was two game weeks with 3 of the 4 games being away. Not much chance of getting much training in there tbf. The results haven't got any better OR worse under Moore. With the obvious squad limitations like not having a senior fit striker and a bottom 5 wage budget, we are where we are. Even Warnock was struggling to work his magic this season.
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Post by htfcfcfc on Oct 22, 2023 12:35:52 GMT 1
You'd think so, it wasnt great but i'd be more than happy if we won on tues in similar circumstances. Exactly. Strikes me we beat a team below us who’d had 3 very respectable results on the road before coming to us. Good win and gets Moore his first win and hopefully something to build on
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Post by irverino on Oct 22, 2023 12:37:45 GMT 1
Moore 6 points from 1st 5 Warnock 4 points from 1st 5. You're correct facts are facts .... ........but I'm not sure you're doing yourself (or DM TBF) any favours starting that comparison. How likely do you think 33 points from 22 games is? If you go back to mid March (17th) when Wendies started to hit the buffers then DM has just recorded his 6th league win from 23 outings.......That's his current form, will it keep us up?
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 22, 2023 12:44:52 GMT 1
You're correct facts are facts .... ........but I'm not sure you're doing yourself (or DM TBF) any favours starting that comparison. How likely do you think 33 points from 22 games is? If you go back to mid March (17th) when Wendies started to hit the buffers then DM has just recorded his 6th league win from 23 outings.......That's his current form, will it keep us up? Irrelevant. Different season, different division, different club. The focus is this season at this club. We're on 14 points from 12 games. Warnock averaged 1.14 points a game after 7 games. Moore is currently averaging 1.2 points a game after 5 games.
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Post by benhomly on Oct 22, 2023 12:47:57 GMT 1
You're correct facts are facts .... ........but I'm not sure you're doing yourself (or DM TBF) any favours starting that comparison. How likely do you think 33 points from 22 games is? If you go back to mid March (17th) when Wendies started to hit the buffers then DM has just recorded his 6th league win from 23 outings.......That's his current form, will it keep us up? 6 from 17 not 23 and add to that 7 draws in that time. That gives a return of 25 points from 17 games which would comfortably keep us up. This bashing of Nagle and Moore on here is embarrassing. * Edit - you're also not including 2 wins in 3 play off games which make his stats even better.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Oct 22, 2023 12:50:23 GMT 1
You're correct facts are facts .... ........but I'm not sure you're doing yourself (or DM TBF) any favours starting that comparison. How likely do you think 33 points from 22 games is? If you go back to mid March (17th) when Wendies started to hit the buffers then DM has just recorded his 6th league win from 23 outings.......That's his current form, will it keep us up? Rather than manipulate the dates, we could look at his actual form, to date, since becoming a manager. Win 49% Draw 27% Loss 24%
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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Oct 22, 2023 13:08:47 GMT 1
1 defeat in 5, but yeah we have regressed Moore by the way has more points than Warnock in his first 5 games. Warnock did not have the opportunity to follow someone who managed to knock our players in to a team. Moore obviously stepped into a steady ship, and he appears to have made the cabin boy the navigator. Roger the Cabin boy said Seamen Stains.
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Post by rockwall on Oct 22, 2023 13:19:46 GMT 1
Moore 6 points from 1st 5 Warnock 4 points from 1st 5. It isn't made up. It's not in my head. Living rent free? You're the one who pipes up with a pointless comment each week. He's coming in to a fairly stable club with players who know what they're doing. Warnock came in to an absolute disaster zone Not saying he didn't. Warnock managed to get a tune out of them from game 6 onwards. Can Moore do the same? We will soon find out. One thing I would say, I wish it was Warnock in the dugout next Saturday! I was simply putting the facts across to someone who says the facts are all in my head.
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