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Post by Fish & Chips on Mar 17, 2024 11:57:29 GMT 1
For me a lot of the old issues are back: 1) Not all the best players playing- Mattos, Koroma, 2) Negative tactics - we need wins not draws 3) Fans know the issues better than the manager 4) No central striker 5) Players underperforming, not working as a team This can happen when you bring a new manager in. I’d have kept Worthington on because 4 of those 5 issues were not apparent in his brief stint. These problems see teams relegated. Spot on. We needed to keep Worthy for maximum impact then bring in AB for the summer. Worthy could be involved more and AB left to focus on next season. It would be an odd, unique arrangement, but it should be tried since we’ve got nothing to lose right now. |
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Post by uptownfunk on Mar 17, 2024 12:01:28 GMT 1
If Town get relegated do we keep Breitenreiter in league one. Some suggestions he won’t manage in league one.. I’d suggest he’s not exactly managing in this league either 😂😂😂 It’s just yet another new manager who’s come in to a new squad and a foreign league he knows nothing about. I think, like me, most fans were probably hoping for an instant Wagner or Warnock esque turnaround and it’s become very clear that is not now going to happen. This is going to be like Sievert. Confused selection and tactics until the inevitable relegation then part company in the summer. I’m adamant and I was at the time that they had to keep Worthington. The players couldn’t hack the 4th managerial voice in a year.. it’s been too many.. They’d got rid of negative Moore, the shackles were off it was like one of the head pupils was in charge and the players felt and looked like they could score and win games again- for the first time in a long time they had belief and positivity. Now we’ve got the manager telling fans to be grateful for getting a point at Rotherham who’ve lost 9 games in a row. Sorba should have never been isolated up front. He wasn’t under Worthy or Warnock. For me that was mismanagement. You could see he was frustrated albeit his petulance is on him. It’s not why we drew though. That was entirely on AB with his 7/8 defensive players & lacklustre set up. That was like a novice manager who’s learning his trade and it’s way too late for that sort of shite for Town. Whoever is making the decisions at HTFC does not understand football at all. The fans knew the players better than Moore and they knew the championship better than AB. |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Mar 17, 2024 12:03:27 GMT 1
If Town get relegated do we keep Breitenreiter in league one. Some suggestions he won’t manage in league one.. Not sure anyone will come calling for a manager who has just got relegated. He seems shocked the team is as bad as it is, which is probably because they haven’t had a decent training ground coach since Carlos left. Warnock was great on game day, but not the guy to get them passing the ball. |
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Post by uptownfunk on Mar 17, 2024 12:05:40 GMT 1
If Town get relegated do we keep Breitenreiter in league one. Some suggestions he won’t manage in league one.. Not sure anyone will come calling for a manager who has just got relegated. He seems shocked the team is as bad as it is, which is probably because they haven’t had a decent training ground coach since Carlos left. Warnock was great on game day, but not the guy to get them passing the ball. It just wasn’t the right call to bring a foreign manager new to English football and the championship into a relegation battle with 10 games to go. |
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Post by boooothy on Mar 17, 2024 12:12:35 GMT 1
Relegation odds. Wednesday 4/5, Town 15/8, Birmingham 2/1, QPR 3/1, Blackburn 10/3, Plymouth 7/2, Stoke 5/1, Millwall 14/1.
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Post by foxtrot666 on Mar 17, 2024 12:20:33 GMT 1
We've only won 8 of 38 games (only Rotherham have won less) but probably need to win 3 from the last 8 and draw a couple to stay up, we have a decent run in but it's 50/50 for me.
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Post by uptownfunk on Mar 17, 2024 12:22:41 GMT 1
Relegation odds. Wednesday 4/5, Town 15/8, Birmingham 2/1, QPR 3/1, Blackburn 10/3, Plymouth 7/2, Stoke 5/1, Millwall 14/1. Who’s betting on Town to beat the drop? I doubt many that went yesterday will. It was as bad as anything under bore Moore or Fothy or even Sievert. |
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Post by uptownfunk on Mar 17, 2024 12:28:08 GMT 1
We've only won 8 of 38 games (only Rotherham have won less) but probably need to win 3 from the last 8 and draw a couple to stay up, we have a decent run in but it's 50/50 for me. The problem with the run in is Town have to play in each of the fixtures. Also, they’re all a lot better than Rotherham. I just can’t see the players picking themselves up again and where the goals will come from. Yesterday he had Ward and Koroma who can both get a goal and he brought on Edwards. Thought it would be a good point. Doesn’t understand the situation imo. |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Mar 17, 2024 12:38:34 GMT 1
Not sure anyone will come calling for a manager who has just got relegated. He seems shocked the team is as bad as it is, which is probably because they haven’t had a decent training ground coach since Carlos left. Warnock was great on game day, but not the guy to get them passing the ball. It just wasn’t the right call to bring a foreign manager new to English football and the championship into a relegation battle with 10 games to go. Possibly not, but he’s here now and we’ve gone through five managers in two years. At some point it has to stop. |
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Post by waggers on Mar 17, 2024 12:39:04 GMT 1
Relegation odds. Wednesday 4/5, Town 15/8, Birmingham 2/1, QPR 3/1, Blackburn 10/3, Plymouth 7/2, Stoke 5/1, Millwall 14/1. About right, I'd say we're more likely to drop than Wednesday though. Wednesday 4/5 is most likely due to their recent battering. They'll bounce back though. |
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Post by uptownfunk on Mar 17, 2024 12:44:09 GMT 1
It just wasn’t the right call to bring a foreign manager new to English football and the championship into a relegation battle with 10 games to go. Possibly not, but he’s here now and we’ve gone through five managers in two years. At some point it has to stop. Worthy until seasons end then if he’d got a tune out of them back him properly in the summer. If we’d been relegated then a clean start for a new guy with a close season and a transfer window to prepare for league one assault. To me, that was the most pragmatic course of action and the best chance of surviving this season. I can’t see us achieving it as we are. |
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Post by waggers on Mar 17, 2024 12:59:47 GMT 1
Possibly not, but he’s here now and we’ve gone through five managers in two years. At some point it has to stop. Worthy until seasons end then if he’d got a tune out of them back him properly in the summer. If we’d been relegated then a clean start for a new guy with a close season and a transfer window to prepare for league one assault. To me, that was the most pragmatic course of action and the best chance of surviving this season. I can’t see us achieving it as we are. It seems now like that would have been the best option, I think what Waterloo is saying is that this option has passed. Change has been made and yet again we are where we are. I initially wanted a new manager in to replace Worthington, then towards the end of his stint was edging towards keeping him until the summer. It was a difficult decision. |
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Post by stinkypete on Mar 17, 2024 13:16:16 GMT 1
People are looking at the Worthington stint through rose tinted specs, we beat a poor Wednesday side in a game that was as bad as anything until they collapsed!
We beat an out of form Sunderland, put up a good fight at Southampton but some terrible substitutions cost us 3 points, and lost to Hull , another poor display and strange team selection from Worthington!
Granted he got some fight out of them but knowing your only interim is pressure free, how would Worthington had have coped if it’d been on him to keep us up?
I am baffled at some team selections at present but let’s hope the penny drops that we need some wins from somewhere.
We do all need to accept that we’re a very poor squad and stop blaming the manager!
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Post by Fish & Chips on Mar 17, 2024 13:25:07 GMT 1
I’d suggest he’s not exactly managing in this league either 😂😂😂 It’s just yet another new manager who’s come in to a new squad and a foreign league he knows nothing about. I think, like me, most fans were probably hoping for an instant Wagner or Warnock esque turnaround and it’s become very clear that is not now going to happen. This is going to be like Sievert. Confused selection and tactics until the inevitable relegation then part company in the summer. I’m adamant and I was at the time that they had to keep Worthington. The players couldn’t hack the 4th managerial voice in a year.. it’s been too many.. They’d got rid of negative Moore, the shackles were off it was like one of the head pupils was in charge and the players felt and looked like they could score and win games again- for the first time in a long time they had belief and positivity. Now we’ve got the manager telling fans to be grateful for getting a point at Rotherham who’ve lost 9 games in a row. Sorba should have never been isolated up front. He wasn’t under Worthy or Warnock. For me that was mismanagement. You could see he was frustrated albeit his petulance is on him. It’s not why we drew though. That was entirely on AB with his 7/8 defensive players & lacklustre set up. That was like a novice manager who’s learning his trade and it’s way too late for that sort of shite for Town. Whoever is making the decisions at HTFC does not understand football at all. The fans knew the players better than Moore and they knew the championship better than AB. You get 10 upvotes from me, hit the nail on the head. I fully expect us to drop now. It’s not a dead cert and I hope I’m wrong, but it really does seem that we’re finally getting our comeuppance after too many appalling decisions since our second year in the PL. That said, I hope Nagle sticks with this project post-relegation. I honestly believe that he’s a decent owner with good intentions, but unfortunately let down by a bit of naivety on his side, plus the bad advice from the team around him; both are fixable. Personally, I’d bring back Baldwin to run the club, he has excellent experience, and put Worthy back in for the rest of the season, even Warnock if he’s up for it, we have to win games again. Of course it won’t happen, hence being fully expecting the drop, AB is sadly failing at the moment. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Mar 29, 2024 17:17:12 GMT 1
Absolutely mental pushing Warnock out because of Nagles fat ego.
Still yes, inevitable.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Mar 29, 2024 17:23:07 GMT 1
'Inevitable' literally means 'unavoidable', so no it isn't.
End of thread.
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Post by cyberman on Mar 29, 2024 17:23:36 GMT 1
THIS CLUB IS IS AN EMBARRASSING, SHAMBOLIC SHITSHOW RIGHT FROM THE VERY TOP TO THE WAGE STEALING INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE THE AUDACITY TO PULL ON THOSE FAMOUS BLUE AND WHITE STRIPES
HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME !
(and yes its caps cos yes I am annoyed and fucking ranting!)
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Post by paulsg on Mar 29, 2024 20:35:15 GMT 1
Could we be relegated on the last home game of the season against Birmingham City - again?
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Mar 29, 2024 20:41:06 GMT 1
The trouble is, we might get relegated next season as well, anything is possible with this club at the moment the way it is being run.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Mar 30, 2024 7:41:46 GMT 1
You look at the other sides down there a they've all got 1 or 2 players who can win matches with a bit of individual brilliance
QPR - Chair
Blackburn - Szmodics
Weds - Ugbo and Bannan
Birmingham - Dembele, Bacuna, Pritchard, James
Plymouth - Whittaker
I don't think we have anyone like that and it'll prove to be the difference in these key games remaining
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Apr 1, 2024 17:57:40 GMT 1
Still yes, pushing Warnock with a squad as bad as this is probably as stupid/reckless decision you can make at this level. It felt inevitable at the time, it still feels it now.
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Apr 5, 2024 21:06:33 GMT 1
Getting rid of the most experienced manager in the country who saved us last season is the most crass, ridiculous and self harming decision I have witnessed in my 44 years watching Town. Obviously I want us to stay up but last night's performance is the worst I've seen since the Malcolm McDonald days back in the late 1980s. I have a feeling we'll be back in Div 3 in May. This new chairman gives me no confidence whatsoever. I'm not on Twitter but his postings there after the Norwich game were beyond puerile and utterly self defeating. You were absolutely spot on Malcolm. |
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Post by k1man999 on Apr 5, 2024 21:14:31 GMT 1
Don't win tomorrow and I'm afraid it is.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Apr 5, 2024 21:47:38 GMT 1
Getting rid of the most experienced manager in the country who saved us last season is the most crass, ridiculous and self harming decision I have witnessed in my 44 years watching Town. Obviously I want us to stay up but last night's performance is the worst I've seen since the Malcolm McDonald days back in the late 1980s. I have a feeling we'll be back in Div 3 in May. This new chairman gives me no confidence whatsoever. I'm not on Twitter but his postings there after the Norwich game were beyond puerile and utterly self defeating. You were absolutely spot on Malcolm. Self harming is spot on. What were you thinking Neil? |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Apr 6, 2024 9:03:09 GMT 1
We all "want us to stay up", and a win today would be a HUGE boost, it would set us up for the following, equally important games, but I just don't see it happening.
Nevertheless, I will be there, cheering them on as loudly as I can until the last minute.
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Post by htfcfcfc on Apr 6, 2024 9:10:37 GMT 1
At least 4 of the fixtures couldn’t be much kinder. Hopefully Ipswich fate will be sealed by the time we play them also.
It’s in our hands. Regardless of the mess we’ve made of the season as a club so far, if we go down with these fixtures we deserve all we get.
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Post by belizian on Apr 6, 2024 10:30:06 GMT 1
I hope Kevin makes a proper Netflix horror story series out of this shambles - how he was conned by those he employed and how all the scammers and shysters' are living the high life on of his money.
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Apr 6, 2024 10:37:52 GMT 1
At least 4 of the fixtures couldn’t be much kinder. Hopefully Ipswich fate will be sealed by the time we play them also. It’s in our hands. Regardless of the mess we’ve made of the season as a club so far, if we go down with these fixtures we deserve all we get. Any club who goes down deserves what they get regardless of remaining fixtures. Table doesn’t lie, we are the second worst team in the division (taking into account Wednesdays point deduction) up until this point. Every team plays the same number of teams the same amount of times. If we have an easier run in, other teams had an easier start/middle, which they most likely made a mess off just as town could now🤷♂️ |
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Post by foxtrot666 on Apr 6, 2024 10:48:35 GMT 1
At least 4 of the fixtures couldn’t be much kinder. Hopefully Ipswich fate will be sealed by the time we play them also. It’s in our hands. Regardless of the mess we’ve made of the season as a club so far, if we go down with these fixtures we deserve all we get. Any club who goes down deserves what they get regardless of remaining fixtures. Table doesn’t lie, we are the second worst team in the division (taking into account Wednesdays point deduction) up until this point. Exactly this, 8 wins in 40 games is just not good enough, 6 cup finals left to turn things around. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 6, 2024 10:54:04 GMT 1
At least 4 of the fixtures couldn’t be much kinder. Hopefully Ipswich fate will be sealed by the time we play them also. It’s in our hands. Regardless of the mess we’ve made of the season as a club so far, if we go down with these fixtures we deserve all we get. In the last few months, we've failed to beat Rotherham, QPR, Plymouth, Stoke and Millwall, we've had our easy games and got barely anything out of them. When a team wins eight games out of 40, they aren't very good. |
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