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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Aug 31, 2024 9:23:20 GMT 1
Deserves a lot of credit for retaining Nicholls and Helik, who many assumed to be sold, but won't receive that credit. I wouldn't say that both players are under contract. Or do contracts only work one way in the players favour. |
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Post by ruggedivy on Aug 31, 2024 9:23:50 GMT 1
Would be interesting to see a poll on how we feel he's done so far.
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Post by Scott Chegg on Aug 31, 2024 9:24:34 GMT 1
Deserves a lot of credit for retaining Nicholls and Helik, who many assumed to be sold, but won't receive that credit. Why does he deserve any credit? I haven't heard anything to suggest we've had an approach for either of them, in which case he's done literally nothing. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Aug 31, 2024 10:12:40 GMT 1
Deserves a lot of credit for retaining Nicholls and Helik, who many assumed to be sold, but won't receive that credit. Why does he deserve any credit? I haven't heard anything to suggest we've had an approach for either of them, in which case he's done literally nothing. So because you haven't heard something, means it hasn't happened? Get a grip. |
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Post by Scott Chegg on Aug 31, 2024 10:40:39 GMT 1
Why does he deserve any credit? I haven't heard anything to suggest we've had an approach for either of them, in which case he's done literally nothing. So because you haven't heard something, means it hasn't happened? Get a grip. Which is why I added the caveat of "in which case"  |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Aug 31, 2024 11:13:06 GMT 1
So because you haven't heard something, means it hasn't happened? Get a grip. Which is why I added the caveat of "in which case" Even if we had zero approaches for Helik and Nicholls (which is almost certainly not the case) your original comment is factually incorrect, and outright moronic. |
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Post by wigster on Aug 31, 2024 11:17:47 GMT 1
Why does he deserve any credit? I haven't heard anything to suggest we've had an approach for either of them, in which case he's done literally nothing. So because you haven't heard something, means it hasn't happened? Get a grip. So you have heard something have you ? Please tell us what - I remember Michael Duff saying a while ago that we had not received any solid enquiries. And again, why the aggressive "moronic", "get a grip" ? |
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Post by Scott Chegg on Aug 31, 2024 11:18:18 GMT 1
Which is why I added the caveat of "in which case" Even if we had zero approaches for Helik and Nicholls (which is almost certainly not the case) your original comment is factually incorrect, and outright moronic. The fact that you haven't understood the comment I made does not make it moronic, it suggests a lack of cognitive function on your part. To put it simply: I have no idea if we received an approach for either player. But if we didn't, then my question as to why Cartwright would deserve credit for them staying is valid. Not a particularly complicated concept. |
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Post by wigster on Aug 31, 2024 11:23:03 GMT 1
Even if we had zero approaches for Helik and Nicholls (which is almost certainly not the case) your original comment is factually incorrect, and outright moronic. The fact that you haven't understood the comment I made does not make it moronic, it suggests a lack of cognitive function on your part. To put it simply: I have no idea if we received an approach for either player. But if we didn't, then my question as to why Cartwright would deserve credit for them staying is valid. Not a particularly complicated concept. I think you'll find from his recent posts that the sheriff is quite an angry man/woman for some reason. Why people get so rude/aggressive on this board constantly disappoints me. It's only opinion. |
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Post by JonsonClarkParis on Aug 31, 2024 11:24:59 GMT 1
He’s failed on the most important part of the puzzle TWICE
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 31, 2024 11:35:41 GMT 1
My view is it's too early to judge the Summer business
So he's judged on his managerial appointments; Moore, Breitenreiter and Duff. Too early with Duff but the other two appointments were poor
January signings
Radulovic - Injury prone and worrying when played. If we could return and get our money back I would
Balker - Looks a good player but seems very injury prone. If we could return and get our money back I would
Matos - did okay for me
Healy- injury issues again. Probably been a 6 out of 10 signing to date
He got a good fee for Rudoni.
Personally, I think he has a lot of catching up to do to win back trust as everything he did in the first year has not really worked out. Looks to have done some good business in the summer and appointed a good manager in Duff so definite reason for optimism
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Post by savilerowtownfan on Aug 31, 2024 12:33:27 GMT 1
Blimey,
Balker turned his ankle. Nothing to do with being injury prone. I did it as a kid played two weeks later and ruined by burgeoning career as a footballer !
Radulovic - have some faith in this guy. I think he has shown some promising touches and intelligent runs in the box when playing. Give him time and get him fit. He scored a hatful in a comparable league to where we are now.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Aug 31, 2024 12:36:29 GMT 1
So because you haven't heard something, means it hasn't happened? Get a grip. So you have heard something have you ? Please tell us what - I remember Michael Duff saying a while ago that we had not received any solid enquiries. And again, why the aggressive "moronic", "get a grip" ? No, but I'm not the one claiming that Cartwright has done "literally nothing", when the polar opposite is true. Why? Erm, because it was a moronic statement, and the poster (like many others on here) does indeed need to get a grip. |
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Post by Scott Chegg on Aug 31, 2024 13:27:23 GMT 1
So you have heard something have you ? Please tell us what - I remember Michael Duff saying a while ago that we had not received any solid enquiries. And again, why the aggressive "moronic", "get a grip" ? No, but I'm not the one claiming that Cartwright has done "literally nothing", when the polar opposite is true. Why? Erm, because it was a moronic statement, and the poster (like many others on here) does indeed need to get a grip. I'm baffled that you can't understand the point I'm making. I'll explain one last time, just for you. If no-one has made an approach for Nicholls or Helik, then Cartwright has done literally nothing in this specific hypothetical instance to warrant credit for them staying. Which part of that are you struggling with? |
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Post by bluebeard on Aug 31, 2024 13:32:57 GMT 1
Healey got taken off during the warm so its obvious he is still feeling his injury or is it a new one. That is why we needed a new striker, if he is out for any length of time how many strikers does that leave us with.
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Post by mids on Aug 31, 2024 13:38:16 GMT 1
No, but I'm not the one claiming that Cartwright has done "literally nothing", when the polar opposite is true. Why? Erm, because it was a moronic statement, and the poster (like many others on here) does indeed need to get a grip. I'm baffled that you can't understand the point I'm making. I'll explain one last time, just for you. If no-one has made an approach for Nicholls or Helik, then Cartwright has done literally nothing in this specific hypothetical instance to warrant credit for them staying. Which part of that are you struggling with? There were offers/approaches though. So Cartwright played his part in them both still being here. |
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Post by Scott Chegg on Aug 31, 2024 13:46:49 GMT 1
I'm baffled that you can't understand the point I'm making. I'll explain one last time, just for you. If no-one has made an approach for Nicholls or Helik, then Cartwright has done literally nothing in this specific hypothetical instance to warrant credit for them staying. Which part of that are you struggling with? There were offers/approaches though. So Cartwright played his part in them both still being here. I'm fairly confident that if someone offered them more money they'd have both been off. If they offered less they'd stay. Where does Cartwright come into the equation? And do you have any evidence of offers for either player? |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Aug 31, 2024 13:50:47 GMT 1
No, but I'm not the one claiming that Cartwright has done "literally nothing", when the polar opposite is true. Why? Erm, because it was a moronic statement, and the poster (like many others on here) does indeed need to get a grip. I'm baffled that you can't understand the point I'm making. I'll explain one last time, just for you. If no-one has made an approach for Nicholls or Helik, then Cartwright has done literally nothing in this specific hypothetical instance to warrant credit for them staying. Which part of that are you struggling with? If that's what you meant from the beginning then I apologise, as your post read as though you were implying that he (Cartwright) has done nothing for the entirety of the window. |
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Post by Scott Chegg on Aug 31, 2024 14:02:17 GMT 1
I'm baffled that you can't understand the point I'm making. I'll explain one last time, just for you. If no-one has made an approach for Nicholls or Helik, then Cartwright has done literally nothing in this specific hypothetical instance to warrant credit for them staying. Which part of that are you struggling with? If that's what you meant from the beginning then I apologise, as your post read as though you were implying that he (Cartwright) has done nothing for the entirety of the window. I thought it was clear that's what I meant. To suggest that Cartwright had done 'literally nothing" in the window would indeed be moronic  The fact that I appear to have led mids up the same avenue of misconception suggests to me I could have worded my original reply more clearly. Anyway apology accepted. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 31, 2024 14:25:48 GMT 1
Blimey, Balker turned his ankle. Nothing to do with being injury prone. I did it as a kid played two weeks later and ruined by burgeoning career as a footballer ! Radulovic - have some faith in this guy. I think he has shown some promising touches and intelligent runs in the box when playing. Give him time and get him fit. He scored a hatful in a comparable league to where we are now. Balker will have been here a year by the time he's fit again. He's been injured about 10 months of that and I believe came with a bad record Radulovic wasn't fancied by Moore, Worthington, AB so far. He also gets a lot of injuries and when he plays he's scared to take a knock. I hope he comes good but not seeing any evidence when he has played that he has the heart to work out in League One |
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Post by dugnet on Aug 31, 2024 15:08:05 GMT 1
When assessing how Cartwright has done there are two things to consider:
1 MD and the team do need time to gel overall, it is too early to be definitive
2 What budget did MC have? What % was used and how many potential targets were excluded due to budget?
I'm not particularly a fan, purely my perception, but you to have to look at things in the round and with a degree of fairness.
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Post by Amigo on Aug 31, 2024 15:51:44 GMT 1
When assessing how Cartwright has done there are two things to consider: 1 MD and the team do need time to gel overall, it is too early to be definitive 2 What budget did MC have? What % was used and how many potential targets were excluded due to budget? I'm not particularly a fan, purely my perception, but you to have to look at things in the round and with a degree of fairness. Based on this then we can't judge him at all because we'll never know the budget or potential targets. May as well shut the thread. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Aug 31, 2024 16:44:24 GMT 1
Does it matter that Cartwright held onto Helik and Nichols? He’s wasted the strength they create by not getting in a striker. Sack him.
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Post by 4 pts on Sept 1, 2024 19:43:25 GMT 1
Cartwright is and always will be a chancer, just as Bromby was. Does anyone on here truly believe that Cartwright scouted Lasse and Miller. Both deals were done more or less straight after Duff came in. Duff stated who he needed to fit his formation as a new manager and Cartwright made sure we got those players in. Again, this was very soon after Duff signed and it was probably a stipulation in the initial talks and absolute crucial part of the Duff jigsaw and how we play. DUFF SIGNED THOSE 2. We then sign Evans and Kane, one who played under Duff and one that Duff will know very well after coming up against him for a couple of years. AGAIN, Duff signings. We then miss out on Alfie May, We bring in Marshall who has bags of potential but we have no plan B for a main striker. The Alfie May deal was 2 months ago.....2 months. Not 2 days or a week, 2 months. Does Cartwright need to be told who we need ? Is he someone that can get a deal across the line or is he just for all intents and purposes just an agent ? We brought in a guy to guide us straight back to the Championship but didn't give him the players to guarantee it My dad has always stated that we could have been Liverpool but Shankly wasn't allowed to sign 3 players due to lack of foresight and toytown attitude. 60 odd yrs on and we still have the same naivety, still faffing about with the same types still in important positions throughout the club. Yes we're a solid club with a newly painted stadium, but the small dog mentality will always kill us. Sometimes its OK to give it a real go and show the rest that we're the big dog So this summer we've seen the arrival of: Duff Kane Miller Sorensen Evans Marshall (who is a striker, by the way) Hodge Lonwijk Retained the services of Helik, Spencer, and Nicholls, who were probably our 3 best players going into this league. Made very strong profits on Thomas and Rudoni, who neither the fans nor the club wanted anymore (for good reason) And to top it off, we start the season with 4 wins out of 5. But yet it's waaaah waaaaah fucking waaaah from you and so many others. Zzzzzzzzzzzz How about exercising just a touch of restraint before spewing all over your keyboard next time, and perhaps waiting to see how at least the first quarter of the season plays out? This applies to many on here, not just you. (I eagerly await the drooling idiots replying with 'hApPy CLaPpEr') I stand by what I said Sheriff. My opinion of Cartwright hasn't changed since they day he was appointed. I don't believe he has the CV, the connections and most importantly the knowledge of players that is required to improve a club wherever he is employed. The players we have signed are in spite of him, not because of a call he may have made. I honestly believe that Duff specified what players we signed. I also believe that from what I was told that there weren't any solid enquires for Helik and Nicholls that would have either improved their wages and or benefit their careers. Duff would have held talks with both of them and made it clear how valued they are to the club......not Cartwright. Its not wah wah wah, its about understanding that he holds a massively important role within the club and I don't think he's up to it. The majority of us know exactly what we need and have done for a number of years. If a manager states he wants a specific player but we can't get him, then the DOF should be able to produce 3,4,5 alternatives. Not one egg and one basket. As for Twitter, I couldn't care less whats said on there. Its a playground for morons |
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Post by nicovaesen on Sept 1, 2024 20:00:28 GMT 1
Does it matter that Cartwright held onto Helik and Nichols? He’s wasted the strength they create by not getting in a striker. Sack him. What’s a striker |
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Post by softboy on Sept 1, 2024 20:09:51 GMT 1
Jay Stansfield at Fulham was available!
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Post by Sparrow on Sept 1, 2024 20:15:15 GMT 1
Recruitment isn't just Cartwright though is it.
Any Head Coach / Manager worth his salt will have a list of players that he is aware of and would like the club to sign. I am sure that Duff highlighted a good number of players from League 1 that he would like the club to go after. It would seem that we got a few of them.
Then there is also the following at the club that are involved in player recruitment:
Lee Maybury - Head of Recruitment
Adam Mahoney - Assistant Head of Recruitment - Likely to be the one who highlighted Evans as he came from Bristol Rovers.
Tom Sutton - Chief Scout
James Beck - Head of Analysis
As a collective they will come up with a list of players that fit what the club and head coach are looking for.
Cartwright will be responsible for the negotiation of Transfer fees with clubs and then signing on fees, wages, bonuses etc with Agents. Of which he has done so for 7 players, including 2 clubs player of the season last season, 1 player that has won league 1 twice, a free agent who most likely would have had a few clubs after him and 3 players from PL clubs. And he did actually agree terms with Charlton for May and Luton for Taylor, only to be gazumped on May and Luton pulling the plug last minute.
The actual identifying of targets is likely done by others, rather than Cartwright himself.
Cartwright has recruited all of those mentioned above, with the exception of Beck who was already at the club. Duff, Maybury, Mahoney and Sutton all have very good, extensive, CV's. Between the 5 of them they have been in the recruitment, scouting, analysis, data side of football for 47 years between them, plus 12 years for Cartwright.
I get that it's Cartwright that is in the top job, but I'm not sure it's him that should be solely blamed or even praised for what happens in a transfer window. Indeed, if the club get rid of him, we are still likely to be left with the other 5.
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Post by 4 pts on Sept 1, 2024 20:20:45 GMT 1
Jay Stansfield at Fulham was available! So no other strikers in the world. Just Stansfield........oh and Taylor |
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Post by Sparrow on Sept 1, 2024 21:01:32 GMT 1
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Post by 4 pts on Sept 1, 2024 22:01:19 GMT 1
So is there a new rule that you must target the same players as every other League one club ? Is there just one pool of players for each division ? Is that how transfers work these days ? |
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