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Post by bells ringing :) on Jun 19, 2024 13:05:42 GMT 1
Well it is relevant though isn't it. All its showing currently is that he is incredibly limited, tried to bring in players outside of Beswick failed and now and has to use his own agency to bring in talent again (which was the point/joke of the initial post I made, his black book is basically Beswick Sports). Look he may turn it around and be great, but I think everybody has a right to be sceptical on how things have gone and what the future looks like? Also those in the know around the club appear to think he's a clown (taking the managers office the day after Warnock left) and I trust their judgement. But yes lets wait and see what League one brings. So 7 of 9 incoming players not being registered to Beswicks is failure and all he's doing is signing beswicks players? Erm... Who are these people? Maynardblue a renowned poster on here, seems to think he is defo a clown and disliked at the club. They wrote a post a while back saying as much. |
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Post by King Neil on Jun 19, 2024 13:13:52 GMT 1
How do players arrange payments to their agents?
I'm led to believe that players are taxed at source and are paye just like most of us
So do they pay their agents fees with money that has already been taxed?
Seem rather complicated to me
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Post by townarentbest on Jun 19, 2024 13:15:08 GMT 1
First Touch are Sorensen's proper agent - the Danish guy named here. They've clearly got a link with Beswicks. The same guy was Billings original agent before he went billy big bollocks. There's not that many big agencies and they all have a lot of links and contacts with each other. It's a you scratch my back I'll scratch yours world. If you're going to constantly look for a link back to Beswicks you're probably going to find it. How about judging whether people are any good when they've started playing rather than just throwing the toys out of the pram about Beswicks! In his last two seasons for us Billing had the lowest wage per minutes played out of every player in the Premier League. I think he was justified in wanting more money Oooh, I like this stat. Even though its likely just a made-up punt, I'd be interested in seeing how others compared! |
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Post by Mastercracker on Jun 19, 2024 13:19:08 GMT 1
How do players arrange payments to their agents? I'm led to believe that players are taxed at source and are paye just like most of us So do they pay their agents fees with money that has already been taxed? Seem rather complicated to me Clubs pay agents. |
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Post by westislandterrier on Jun 19, 2024 13:51:46 GMT 1
How do players arrange payments to their agents? I'm led to believe that players are taxed at source and are paye just like most of us So do they pay their agents fees with money that has already been taxed? Seem rather complicated to me Clubs pay agents. I wonder if Cartwright is a-gent ! 😉 |
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Post by townarentbest on Jun 19, 2024 14:25:57 GMT 1
How do players arrange payments to their agents? I'm led to believe that players are taxed at source and are paye just like most of us So do they pay their agents fees with money that has already been taxed? Seem rather complicated to me Clubs pay agents. Which adds to the explanation/narrative, the agents effectively become contractors working for the clubs - why wouldn't they want to get efficient with the the number of different competing agents they deal with on a regular basis? Yes, it may limit the pool, but does that really matter for the majority of transfers...every agency will have a decent player in position X that is potentially available that meets the required standard and monetary considerations for a top end (hopefully) League 1 / bottom end Championship Club. Make most of the transfers easy to complete, working with people you know and have built a trusting relationship with, and leave the hard work to laser focus on those players that stand out where the extra work dealing with other groups has some justification 🤷♂️ |
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Post by tepidterrier on Jun 19, 2024 19:20:44 GMT 1
In his last two seasons for us Billing had the lowest wage per minutes played out of every player in the Premier League. I think he was justified in wanting more money Oooh, I like this stat. Even though its likely just a made-up punt, I'd be interested in seeing how others compared! My source: I read it somewhere a few years ago can't remember where. Bullet proof fact checking from me |
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Post by goodbet on Jun 19, 2024 19:27:41 GMT 1
First Touch are Sorensen's proper agent - the Danish guy named here. They've clearly got a link with Beswicks. The same guy was Billings original agent before he went billy big bollocks. There's not that many big agencies and they all have a lot of links and contacts with each other. It's a you scratch my back I'll scratch yours world. If you're going to constantly look for a link back to Beswicks you're probably going to find it. How about judging whether people are any good when they've started playing rather than just throwing the toys out of the pram about Beswicks! In his last two seasons for us Billing had the lowest wage per minutes played out of every player in the Premier League. I think he was justified in wanting more money We were probably the lowest paid team in the Premiership and he was not our highest paid player in the squad so it is easy to see that this could well be correct. |
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Post by Huddy Town Black Sox on Jun 19, 2024 19:50:30 GMT 1
Hardly any of this has any relevance to the odd player coming via Beswicks though. Cartwright might well be shite, we'll probably know for certain within the next few months but at least beat him with the relevant sticks, not just any. Well it is relevant though isn't it. All its showing currently is that he is incredibly limited, tried to bring in players outside of Beswick failed and now and has to use his own agency to bring in talent again (which was the point/joke of the initial post I made, his black book is basically Beswick Sports). Look he may turn it around and be great, but I think everybody has a right to be sceptical on how things have gone and what the future looks like? Also those in the know around the club appear to think he's a clown (taking the managers office the day after Warnock left) and I trust their judgement. But yes lets wait and see what League one brings. Do you bore everybody or just me |
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Post by townarentbest on Jun 19, 2024 20:27:02 GMT 1
In his last two seasons for us Billing had the lowest wage per minutes played out of every player in the Premier League. I think he was justified in wanting more money We were probably the lowest paid team in the Premiership and he was not our highest paid player in the squad so it is easy to see that this could well be correct. If only we'd been promoted to the Premiership we'd probably be still a top flight club now! |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Jun 19, 2024 21:02:29 GMT 1
Well it is relevant though isn't it. All its showing currently is that he is incredibly limited, tried to bring in players outside of Beswick failed and now and has to use his own agency to bring in talent again (which was the point/joke of the initial post I made, his black book is basically Beswick Sports). Look he may turn it around and be great, but I think everybody has a right to be sceptical on how things have gone and what the future looks like? Also those in the know around the club appear to think he's a clown (taking the managers office the day after Warnock left) and I trust their judgement. But yes lets wait and see what League one brings. Do you bore everybody or just me Looking at the intelligence of your posts, you probably just don’t understand what I’m talking about rather boring you. But either or I won’t lose any sleep about it. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jun 20, 2024 7:15:36 GMT 1
Oooh, I like this stat. Even though its likely just a made-up punt, I'd be interested in seeing how others compared! My source: I read it somewhere a few years ago can't remember where. Bullet proof fact checking from me Can you fact check CastleHill Terrier by any chance? |
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Post by runner76 on Aug 29, 2024 9:49:08 GMT 1
Well, I’m eating some humble pie, not sure about anyone else.
Has brought on a seemingly brilliant manager for this level, and seen some bad eggs out the door and brought in a really strong set of players - and maybe yet the striker cherry on the cake to top it off…..
Done very well this window
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Aug 29, 2024 12:04:57 GMT 1
Well, I’m eating some humble pie, not sure about anyone else. Has brought on a seemingly brilliant manager for this level, and seen some bad eggs out the door and brought in a really strong set of players - and maybe yet the striker cherry on the cake to top it off….. Done very well this window That is very good of you & while plenty should be doing the same, I doubt many will. Some will also say we'll have to wait & see how he's done but I disagree. No transfer is guaranteed to come off, for various reasons, but if you can understand what is needed & why a certain player has been brought in, then I think the DoF has done this with all the signings this window, with potentially another to come. Hindsight is a wonderful thing & seeing as this cannot possibly be used by a DoF, then, IMO, he has to be judged on what he has done when the window shuts. I can see exactly why he has brought the players he has in & they all improve the squad greatly, they've not just been panic signings but, at the same time, they won't all come off. If anyone thinks these are shit signings, it's now they need to be saying it. |
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Post by incognito on Aug 29, 2024 13:22:47 GMT 1
If nothing else, we could at least try and reach some consensus on a nickname moving forward. I've seen him variously referred to as "Carthorse", "Cartwrong", "Cartshite", "Cantwrite".... Personally I think the Stokies over on The Oatcake absolutely nailed it with "Hoss" after Dan Blocker's character on Bonanza   bonanza.fandom.com/wiki/Hoss_Cartwright |
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Post by upthetown on Aug 29, 2024 13:45:48 GMT 1
On the face of it appears to have done a good job over the summer.
Good manager.
Players brought in for positions in which we desperately needed to improve.
Retained (so far) the majority of the squad and certainly those we would have wanted to keep.
Not all signings will work out, of course, but on paper they appear to be the kind of signings we needed.
Birmingham aside, given how much they’ve splashed the cash, I don’t think I’d swap our summer business for anyone else’s in league 1.
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Post by softboy on Aug 29, 2024 17:15:50 GMT 1
He made a decision in January to sign 3 players who on paper have dubious fitness issues and all 3 suffered, mainly Healey, which was at best unlucky and at worst a error of judgement. This window has been much better with the only downside being May. Clearly Brum hijacked this move on the basis they were prepared to pay wages well above what we could/would. He has a budget which I would say is at the top end of this League. The signings so far seem good.
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Post by Sio on Aug 29, 2024 18:27:19 GMT 1
Jury is still out.
Last season was an utter disaster in terms of manager and player recruitment, literally his job. A disaster many on here could see coming a mile off, yet he and the club seemingly couldn't.
I think the business this week (especially if Taylor gets over the line) takes it from a decent window to a very good window. And the Duff appointment is increasingly looking astute given our position.
Given everything, I'm somewhat neutral on Cartwright now, but in 6 months his work could've massively redeemed his reputation. Or not.
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Post by ldotm on Aug 29, 2024 18:49:46 GMT 1
If we get Taylor then he’s a very sexy bald man
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Post by royrace on Aug 29, 2024 19:00:27 GMT 1
Jury is still out. Last season was an utter disaster in terms of manager and player recruitment, literally his job. A disaster many on here could see coming a mile off, yet he and the club seemingly couldn't. I think the business this week (especially if Taylor gets over the line) takes it from a decent window to a very good window. And the Duff appointment is increasingly looking astute given our position. Given everything, I'm somewhat neutral on Cartwright now, but in 6 months his work could've massively redeemed his reputation. Or not. Exactly, has a LOT of making up to do, imo he's the reason we're in league one. If we get a striker then on paper it will look like a decent window and we'll probably forget the reason we needed two was because the two be spent millions on in January were unsuitable. As you say whatever happens the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. Of the ones we've seen so far Sorenson looks very promising, miller also good, jury still out on the rest. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Aug 30, 2024 22:08:23 GMT 1
So 7 of 9 incoming players not being registered to Beswicks is failure and all he's doing is signing beswicks players? Erm... Who are these people? Maynardblue a renowned poster on here, seems to think he is defo a clown and disliked at the club. They wrote a post a while back saying as much. Apparently proven wrong, given all the successful signings, many even before Duff arrived. Is @maynardblue infallible? Does (s)he walk on water? Don't get me wrong, (s)he is greatly appreciated, but opinions are...just opinions, not facts.
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Post by 4 pts on Aug 31, 2024 1:33:14 GMT 1
Cartwright is and always will be a chancer, just as Bromby was.
Does anyone on here truly believe that Cartwright scouted Lasse and Miller.
Both deals were done more or less straight after Duff came in. Duff stated who he needed to fit his formation as a new manager and Cartwright made sure we got those players in. Again, this was very soon after Duff signed and it was probably a stipulation in the initial talks and absolute crucial part of the Duff jigsaw and how we play. DUFF SIGNED THOSE 2. We then sign Evans and Kane, one who played under Duff and one that Duff will know very well after coming up against him for a couple of years. AGAIN, Duff signings.
We then miss out on Alfie May, We bring in Marshall who has bags of potential but we have no plan B for a main striker. The Alfie May deal was 2 months ago.....2 months.
Not 2 days or a week, 2 months.
Does Cartwright need to be told who we need ? Is he someone that can get a deal across the line or is he just for all intents and purposes just an agent ?
We brought in a guy to guide us straight back to the Championship but didn't give him the players to guarantee it
My dad has always stated that we could have been Liverpool but Shankly wasn't allowed to sign 3 players due to lack of foresight and toytown attitude.
60 odd yrs on and we still have the same naivety, still faffing about with the same types still in important positions throughout the club. Yes we're a solid club with a newly painted stadium, but the small dog mentality will always kill us. Sometimes its OK to give it a real go and show the rest that we're the big dog
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Post by softboy on Aug 31, 2024 2:07:05 GMT 1
Hard to disagree. We could have got Fulham striker Jay Stansfield for only 10m on a 7 year contract but once again, just like Alfie May little old Huddersfield let him slip through the net and join Brum.
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Post by detox on Aug 31, 2024 6:57:48 GMT 1
If over the next few weeks we slip down the league to mid table this place is going to be toxic.
There's a festering disgruntlement about the striker situation that's not going to go away.
Obviously we're going to lose some games, I just hope fans can keep their cool.
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Aug 31, 2024 7:05:52 GMT 1
Doesn’t seem to believe in making life easy for his managers. Every window so far we’ve come out of it clearly missing at least one player in a key position.
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Post by supermrt on Aug 31, 2024 7:15:29 GMT 1
Deserves a lot of credit for retaining Nicholls and Helik, who many assumed to be sold, but won't receive that credit.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Aug 31, 2024 7:22:10 GMT 1
Just browsed some comments aimed at Nagle and Cartwright that were doing the rounds last night.
Some from members I know on here.
You should be ashamed. You obviously have your own issues going on and are just diverting to give yourself one second of pleasure. Embarrassing
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Post by ballbag91 on Aug 31, 2024 7:54:58 GMT 1
Just browsed some comments aimed at Nagle and Cartwright that were doing the rounds last night. Some from members I know on here. You should be ashamed. You obviously have your own issues going on and are just diverting to give yourself one second of pleasure. Embarrassing Twitter? The place is a cesspool full of entitled keyboard warriors, I'm a self certified bellend, but wouldn't have a go directly at the board. Especially when they have the best interests at heart. It is proper cringe seeing people moan on there and linking nagle in their rants |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Aug 31, 2024 8:05:51 GMT 1
Cartwright is and always will be a chancer, just as Bromby was. Does anyone on here truly believe that Cartwright scouted Lasse and Miller. Both deals were done more or less straight after Duff came in. Duff stated who he needed to fit his formation as a new manager and Cartwright made sure we got those players in. Again, this was very soon after Duff signed and it was probably a stipulation in the initial talks and absolute crucial part of the Duff jigsaw and how we play. DUFF SIGNED THOSE 2. We then sign Evans and Kane, one who played under Duff and one that Duff will know very well after coming up against him for a couple of years. AGAIN, Duff signings. We then miss out on Alfie May, We bring in Marshall who has bags of potential but we have no plan B for a main striker. The Alfie May deal was 2 months ago.....2 months. Not 2 days or a week, 2 months. Does Cartwright need to be told who we need ? Is he someone that can get a deal across the line or is he just for all intents and purposes just an agent ? We brought in a guy to guide us straight back to the Championship but didn't give him the players to guarantee it My dad has always stated that we could have been Liverpool but Shankly wasn't allowed to sign 3 players due to lack of foresight and toytown attitude. 60 odd yrs on and we still have the same naivety, still faffing about with the same types still in important positions throughout the club. Yes we're a solid club with a newly painted stadium, but the small dog mentality will always kill us. Sometimes its OK to give it a real go and show the rest that we're the big dog So this summer we've seen the arrival of: Duff Kane Miller Sorensen Evans Marshall (who is a striker, by the way) Hodge Lonwijk Retained the services of Helik, Spencer, and Nicholls, who were probably our 3 best players going into this league. Made very strong profits on Thomas and Rudoni, who neither the fans nor the club wanted anymore (for good reason) And to top it off, we start the season with 4 wins out of 5. But yet it's waaaah waaaaah fucking waaaah from you and so many others. Zzzzzzzzzzzz How about exercising just a touch of restraint before spewing all over your keyboard next time, and perhaps waiting to see how at least the first quarter of the season plays out? This applies to many on here, not just you. (I eagerly await the drooling idiots replying with 'hApPy CLaPpEr') |
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Post by Big Ern on Aug 31, 2024 8:15:14 GMT 1
Just browsed some comments aimed at Nagle and Cartwright that were doing the rounds last night. Some from members I know on here. You should be ashamed. You obviously have your own issues going on and are just diverting to give yourself one second of pleasure. Embarrassing Twitter? The place is a cesspool full of entitled keyboard warriors, I'm a self certified bellend, but wouldn't have a go directly at the board. Especially when they have the best interests at heart. It is proper cringe seeing people moan on there and linking nagle in their rants It's absolutely horrific. Who the fuck is this TerrierRealist? He speaks for absolutely nobody. Embarrassing. |
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