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Post by Tinpot on Nov 4, 2023 9:35:26 GMT 1
Ayina is injured. Edwards is out.Wiles will be playing midfield. Missed out Ruffels in the selection too. Still injured, isn't he? |
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Post by dezzly on Nov 4, 2023 9:36:52 GMT 1
That maybe the case, however playing Hogg doesn’t seem to warrant referring to Moore as a “ fraud”, such comments truly are pathetic. What has he done so far at Town that suggest he's a capable football manager? I mean promotion from league 1 off the top of my head.He may ultimately be not up to it,he may also be not up to it with this sqaud.Or with a few players back such as mentioned earlier(ward,ruffels,kasumu,Koroma…rudoni further down the line)yes I’m not suggesting they are world beaters but they are all capable in a team of making us more competitive. It’s just so early to make such a massively over the top(in my opinion) judgement. We could literally get 3 points today and 50% of the fan base will change their tune somewhat. |
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Post by dezzly on Nov 4, 2023 9:37:51 GMT 1
Missed out Ruffels in the selection too. Still injured, isn't he? Ruffels I think will be available.Been training I think and he was 21st man last Saturday so must have been able to play or at least go on the bench should anything have come up on the day |
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Post by rockwall on Nov 4, 2023 9:42:41 GMT 1
Missed out Ruffels in the selection too. Still injured, isn't he? Tbh didn't know he was injured. Sure he was warming up at HT at Leeds last weekend? I know he wasn't named in the squad and we only named 8 subs. Could have sworn he was there though haha! |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Nov 4, 2023 10:01:48 GMT 1
What has he done so far at Town that suggest he's a capable football manager? I mean promotion from league 1 off the top of my head.He may ultimately be not up to it,he may also be not up to it with this sqaud.Or with a few players back such as mentioned earlier(ward,ruffels,kasumu,Koroma…rudoni further down the line)yes I’m not suggesting they are world beaters but they are all capable in a team of making us more competitive. It’s just so early to make such a massively over the top(in my opinion) judgement. We could literally get 3 points today and 50% of the fan base will change their tune somewhat. It’s amazing he’s unfairly getting compared to Fotheringham as some sort of rookie and pretty pathetic from a group of our fans. DM has a very good managerial record albeit mainly in the league below. Win percentage is very strong as and much as some have tried to belittle his promotion achievements last season he still got Wednesday up when there’s clearly been an unsettling owner behind the scenes. Sadly he’s not started well here and I can see why people think he doesn’t come across well in interviews. Maybe the job is a step to far for him, especially given the lack of quality in the squad but I wish people would stop this unnecessary and completely over the top assessments as right now I struggle to see many managers around who could take this squad with the injury situation up the table. |
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Post by Tinpot on Nov 4, 2023 10:02:32 GMT 1
Ruffels I think will be available.Been training I think and he was 21st man last Saturday so must have been able to play or at least go on the bench should anything have come up on the day Hope so. Imagine a few months ago viewing the return of Josh Ruffels from injury as a major boost. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Nov 4, 2023 10:13:04 GMT 1
Well done, did you learn that at play school today ? I'm at the game tomorrow. Kilner row G 48 Keyboard dickhead Take someone’s taking you, after the abuse you resorted to “ Keyboard dickhead” , sums you up perfectly ! |
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Post by portugalterrier on Nov 4, 2023 10:19:43 GMT 1
I mean promotion from league 1 off the top of my head.He may ultimately be not up to it,he may also be not up to it with this sqaud.Or with a few players back such as mentioned earlier(ward,ruffels,kasumu,Koroma…rudoni further down the line)yes I’m not suggesting they are world beaters but they are all capable in a team of making us more competitive. It’s just so early to make such a massively over the top(in my opinion) judgement. We could literally get 3 points today and 50% of the fan base will change their tune somewhat. It’s amazing he’s unfairly getting compared to Fotheringham as some sort of rookie and pretty pathetic from a group of our fans. DM has a very good managerial record albeit mainly in the league below. Win percentage is very strong as and much as some have tried to belittle his promotion achievements last season he still got Wednesday up when there’s clearly been an unsettling owner behind the scenes. Sadly he’s not started well here and I can see why people think he doesn’t come across well in interviews. Maybe the job is a step to far for him, especially given the lack of quality in the squad but I wish people would stop this unnecessary and completely over the top assessments as right now I struggle to see many managers around who could take this squad with the injury situation up the table. Nice to see a post with objective opinion , far better than subjective and insulting rants aimed at a guy having to struggle with some difficult situations. |
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Post by dezzly on Nov 4, 2023 10:28:25 GMT 1
I mean promotion from league 1 off the top of my head.He may ultimately be not up to it,he may also be not up to it with this sqaud.Or with a few players back such as mentioned earlier(ward,ruffels,kasumu,Koroma…rudoni further down the line)yes I’m not suggesting they are world beaters but they are all capable in a team of making us more competitive. It’s just so early to make such a massively over the top(in my opinion) judgement. We could literally get 3 points today and 50% of the fan base will change their tune somewhat. It’s amazing he’s unfairly getting compared to Fotheringham as some sort of rookie and pretty pathetic from a group of our fans. DM has a very good managerial record albeit mainly in the league below. Win percentage is very strong as and much as some have tried to belittle his promotion achievements last season he still got Wednesday up when there’s clearly been an unsettling owner behind the scenes. Sadly he’s not started well here and I can see why people think he doesn’t come across well in interviews. Maybe the job is a step to far for him, especially given the lack of quality in the squad but I wish people would stop this unnecessary and completely over the top assessments as right now I struggle to see many managers around who could take this squad with the injury situation up the table. Basically my viewpoint near enough to a tee |
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Post by royrace on Nov 4, 2023 10:58:50 GMT 1
I mean promotion from league 1 off the top of my head.He may ultimately be not up to it,he may also be not up to it with this sqaud.Or with a few players back such as mentioned earlier(ward,ruffels,kasumu,Koroma…rudoni further down the line)yes I’m not suggesting they are world beaters but they are all capable in a team of making us more competitive. It’s just so early to make such a massively over the top(in my opinion) judgement. We could literally get 3 points today and 50% of the fan base will change their tune somewhat. It’s amazing he’s unfairly getting compared to Fotheringham as some sort of rookie and pretty pathetic from a group of our fans. DM has a very good managerial record albeit mainly in the league below. Win percentage is very strong as and much as some have tried to belittle his promotion achievements last season he still got Wednesday up when there’s clearly been an unsettling owner behind the scenes. Sadly he’s not started well here and I can see why people think he doesn’t come across well in interviews. Maybe the job is a step to far for him, especially given the lack of quality in the squad but I wish people would stop this unnecessary and completely over the top assessments as right now I struggle to see many managers around who could take this squad with the injury situation up the table. I keep hearing about this very good managerial record. It's just based on stats. When you take into account the quality of the squad be had and the opposition it doesn't look particularly good. I bet Lee Clarks managerial stats at town are superb. With this squad we needed a coach who could over achieve with a squad. DM has never done that. That's why I didn't think he was a good appointment and it's unfortunately proving to be the case. |
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Post by Tinpot on Nov 4, 2023 11:13:50 GMT 1
Well done, did you learn that at play school today ? I'm at the game tomorrow. Kilner row G 48 Keyboard dickhead Please play nicely. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Nov 4, 2023 11:14:58 GMT 1
It’s amazing he’s unfairly getting compared to Fotheringham as some sort of rookie and pretty pathetic from a group of our fans. DM has a very good managerial record albeit mainly in the league below. Win percentage is very strong as and much as some have tried to belittle his promotion achievements last season he still got Wednesday up when there’s clearly been an unsettling owner behind the scenes. Sadly he’s not started well here and I can see why people think he doesn’t come across well in interviews. Maybe the job is a step to far for him, especially given the lack of quality in the squad but I wish people would stop this unnecessary and completely over the top assessments as right now I struggle to see many managers around who could take this squad with the injury situation up the table. I keep hearing about this very good managerial record. It's just based on stats. When you take into account the quality of the squad be had and the opposition it doesn't look particularly good. I bet Lee Clarks managerial stats at town are superb. With this squad we needed a coach who could over achieve with a squad. DM has never done that. That's why I didn't think he was a good appointment and it's unfortunately proving to be the case. Judging someone after 8 games, and with the level of injuries to some of his “ major” players doesn’t look particularly fair, don’t really see a squad at Wednesday that has “quality” written all over it. League 1 is just as difficult to get out of as the Championship, it all relevant , it took us a considerable time and effort to be promoted , even with a manager of Lee Clark’s undoubted skills.All imo. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Nov 4, 2023 11:17:04 GMT 1
Probably is to someone with your level of stupidity ! Do fuck off Forlock tugging cock end Play nicely, 😂😂 |
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Post by joek on Nov 4, 2023 11:31:24 GMT 1
Ruffels I think will be available.Been training I think and he was 21st man last Saturday so must have been able to play or at least go on the bench should anything have come up on the day Hope so. Imagine a few months ago viewing the return of Josh Ruffels from injury as a major boost. Think that sums up the madness of the Warnock decision more than anything really. He was the only manager able to get owt from Ruffels and Koroma. They played so brilliantly under him they are both given contract extensions that they’d have never got in a million years under any other manager and which seems to have undermined the wage budget somewhat. Koroma looks to be regressing already since the managerial change. Hope Ruffels doesn’t go the same way. Complete lack of any sort of joined up thinking from KN and the board. Sorry for hijacking the thread as know this one is about injuries. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Nov 4, 2023 11:46:06 GMT 1
Hope so. Imagine a few months ago viewing the return of Josh Ruffels from injury as a major boost. Think that sums up the madness of the Warnock decision more than anything really. He was the only manager able to get owt from Ruffels and Koroma. They played so brilliantly under him they are both given contract extensions that they’d have never got in a million years under any other manager and which seems to have undermined the wage budget somewhat. Koroma looks to be regressing already since the managerial change. Hope Ruffels doesn’t go the same way. Complete lack of any sort of joined up thinking from KN and the board. Sorry for hijacking the thread as know this one is about injuries. There was joined up thinking, Nagel gave NW free reign in the belief he would make good decisions on behalf of the club, so we ended up giving contracts to 3 players where the general consensus was that they should be released, others players were allowed to go by Warnock, Holmes, Rhodes, Bilopacic and then we had the situation of Warnock going , that’s where the joined up thinking broke down. I personally thought Koroma looked good when he came on against Cardiff. |
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Post by Carlito Brigante on Nov 4, 2023 11:52:12 GMT 1
Hope so. Imagine a few months ago viewing the return of Josh Ruffels from injury as a major boost. Think that sums up the madness of the Warnock decision more than anything really. He was the only manager able to get owt from Ruffels and Koroma. They played so brilliantly under him they are both given contract extensions that they’d have never got in a million years under any other manager and which seems to have undermined the wage budget somewhat. Koroma looks to be regressing already since the managerial change. Hope Ruffels doesn’t go the same way. Complete lack of any sort of joined up thinking from KN and the board. Sorry for hijacking the thread as know this one is about injuries. I think with the way Moore has pratted about playing Koroma out of his strongest positions hasn’t helped him at all With this limited squad we have we need everyone firing on all cylinders to even compete Can’t lay the blame on DM for the lack of options but he needs to work a system out and fast |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Nov 4, 2023 11:57:57 GMT 1
It’s amazing he’s unfairly getting compared to Fotheringham as some sort of rookie and pretty pathetic from a group of our fans. DM has a very good managerial record albeit mainly in the league below. Win percentage is very strong as and much as some have tried to belittle his promotion achievements last season he still got Wednesday up when there’s clearly been an unsettling owner behind the scenes. Sadly he’s not started well here and I can see why people think he doesn’t come across well in interviews. Maybe the job is a step to far for him, especially given the lack of quality in the squad but I wish people would stop this unnecessary and completely over the top assessments as right now I struggle to see many managers around who could take this squad with the injury situation up the table. I keep hearing about this very good managerial record. It's just based on stats. When you take into account the quality of the squad be had and the opposition it doesn't look particularly good. I bet Lee Clarks managerial stats at town are superb. With this squad we needed a coach who could over achieve with a squad. DM has never done that. That's why I didn't think he was a good appointment and it's unfortunately proving to be the case. Stats are a pretty good indicator over a long period of time. In this case around ~250 games. Was I excited by the appointment. Not massively but that’s not the point being made. The point of my post was to highlight these ridiculous comparisons of DM to a rookie chancer like Fotheringham. In my eyes that’s totally uncalled for |
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Post by rockwall on Nov 4, 2023 12:13:30 GMT 1
I keep hearing about this very good managerial record. It's just based on stats. When you take into account the quality of the squad be had and the opposition it doesn't look particularly good. I bet Lee Clarks managerial stats at town are superb. With this squad we needed a coach who could over achieve with a squad. DM has never done that. That's why I didn't think he was a good appointment and it's unfortunately proving to be the case. Stats are a pretty good indicator over a long period of time. In this case around ~250 games. Was I excited by the appointment. Not massively but that’s not the point being made. The point of my post was to highlight these ridiculous comparisons of DM to a rookie chancer like Fotheringham. In my eyes that’s totally uncalled for Is it uncalled for though? Moore took over a squad that had just got its confidence back. The last 2 performances, and Birmingham were worse than any under MF. Fotheringham took over a squad that was rock bottom with confidence. He was the 3rd manager in around 12 weeks. Yet if Moore fails to win today, he has a worse record. Why can't that be compared? |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Nov 4, 2023 12:33:14 GMT 1
Stats are a pretty good indicator over a long period of time. In this case around ~250 games. Was I excited by the appointment. Not massively but that’s not the point being made. The point of my post was to highlight these ridiculous comparisons of DM to a rookie chancer like Fotheringham. In my eyes that’s totally uncalled for Is it uncalled for though? Moore took over a squad that had just got its confidence back. The last 2 performances, and Birmingham were worse than any under MF. Fotheringham took over a squad that was rock bottom with confidence. He was the 3rd manager in around 12 weeks. Yet if Moore fails to win today, he has a worse record. Why can't that be compared? You’re right actually. I mean, just look at all the clubs who’ve identified that point and are throwing jobs at Fotheringham |
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Post by townrwe on Nov 4, 2023 12:44:09 GMT 1
What has he done so far at Town that suggest he's a capable football manager? I mean promotion from league 1 off the top of my head.He may ultimately be not up to it,he may also be not up to it with this sqaud.Or with a few players back such as mentioned earlier(ward,ruffels,kasumu,Koroma…rudoni further down the line)yes I’m not suggesting they are world beaters but they are all capable in a team of making us more competitive. It’s just so early to make such a massively over the top(in my opinion) judgement. We could literally get 3 points today and 50% of the fan base will change their tune somewhat. He got promotion when he should have won the championship in the first season with the squad he had... certainly the second. Playoffs were an underachievement and was due to be sacked until a miracle comeback and last minute winners.... with the squad he should have been dead certs for the playoffs and had 3 relatively easy games. 3 points today buys some time, a 0-0 with the team probably gives him a few % points favour.. What I'm expecting is another performance of been outclassed but also tactically inept performance.... which is the real reason he's getting pelters.. nothing to do with the quality of the squad, the injuries etc. ITS HIS INABILITY TO SHOW ANY KIND OF STYLE OF GAMEPLAN. INABILITY TO CHANGE IN GAME, INABILITY TO COMMUNICATE AND A DISREGARD OF 3000 DIEHARD FANS THAT WENT TO LEEDS KNOWING WE WOULD LOSE BUT FOLDED LIKE A HOUSE OF CARDS. |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Nov 4, 2023 12:48:36 GMT 1
I mean promotion from league 1 off the top of my head.He may ultimately be not up to it,he may also be not up to it with this sqaud.Or with a few players back such as mentioned earlier(ward,ruffels,kasumu,Koroma…rudoni further down the line)yes I’m not suggesting they are world beaters but they are all capable in a team of making us more competitive. It’s just so early to make such a massively over the top(in my opinion) judgement. We could literally get 3 points today and 50% of the fan base will change their tune somewhat. He got promotion when he should have won the championship in the first season with the squad he had... certainly the second. Playoffs were an underachievement and was due to be sacked until a miracle comeback and last minute winners.... with the squad he should have been dead certs for the playoffs and had 3 relatively easy games. 3 points today buys some time, a 0-0 with the team probably gives him a few % points favour.. What I'm expecting is another performance of been outclassed but also tactically inept performance.... which is the real reason he's getting pelters.. nothing to do with the quality of the squad, the injuries etc. ITS HIS INABILITY TO SHOW ANY KIND OF STYLE OF GAMEPLAN. INABILITY TO CHANGE IN GAME, INABILITY TO COMMUNICATE AND A DISREGARD OF 3000 DIEHARD FANS THAT WENT TO LEEDS KNOWING WE WOULD LOSE BUT FOLDED LIKE A HOUSE OF CARDS. Can’t disagree with most of your emphasised point. I’m just fascinated why so many belittle the achievement of Promotion No play off games are “easy”. Baffled why with so much ammo to throw at DM right now due to a very poor start and uninspiring interviews there’s such a clamour to diminish his past achievements which are fairly impressive albeit mainly at a lower level. |
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Post by detox on Nov 4, 2023 13:08:21 GMT 1
I'm not sure if Moore's learning curve is actually a circle he keeps going round, trying to find a tactic and formation that works...juggling here and there, players here and there, formation here and there... We've seen it all before of course, new managers coming in knowing absolutely nothing about the players, their strengths and weaknesses....what formations worked before and what didn't work... he seems to be floundering..soon he'll be panicking..trying more and more outlandish formations and team selections...
I seriously hope he finds something that works, and then sticks to it.
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Post by savilerowtownfan on Nov 4, 2023 13:20:14 GMT 1
Warnock’s approach is to focus on the limitations of players rather than their strengths. Which is why he specialises in getting a tune out of very average squads. His message is then ‘do what I tell you and nothing more….then if you make a mistake I will not criticise….it builds confidence because players play within their comfort zone and don’t have to ‘impress’ in training. He then sets up the team to recognise these individual weaknesses. If a centre back lacks space he only defends. If a full back is immobile he does not play wingback indeed he rarely ventures to the half way line. A centre forward who can only go one way and does not score 15 a season is expected to run his socks off.
That is why Warnock always referred to them as ‘an honest bunch’ ie He directed with an iron fist, players are made to listen and recognise their limitations but make the best of the limited strengths they had.
New man DM comes in under the DOF desire for ‘ progressive football’ but the squad is far too limited. With this new vision players look to ‘impress’ in training and when selected are playing outside their comfort zones.
DM is conflicted between what is expected of him and what the players are capable of. Players are confused with now no clear direction. Too early to overly criticise DM but he must now recognise his squad is very poor, forget ‘progressive football’ put round pegs in round holes and set up the ream accordingly. It won’t be pretty but will be the only way we survive this season ( unless January brings miracle signings !),
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Post by dezzly on Nov 4, 2023 13:30:30 GMT 1
I mean promotion from league 1 off the top of my head.He may ultimately be not up to it,he may also be not up to it with this sqaud.Or with a few players back such as mentioned earlier(ward,ruffels,kasumu,Koroma…rudoni further down the line)yes I’m not suggesting they are world beaters but they are all capable in a team of making us more competitive. It’s just so early to make such a massively over the top(in my opinion) judgement. We could literally get 3 points today and 50% of the fan base will change their tune somewhat. He got promotion when he should have won the championship in the first season with the squad he had... certainly the second. Playoffs were an underachievement and was due to be sacked until a miracle comeback and last minute winners.... with the squad he should have been dead certs for the playoffs and had 3 relatively easy games. 3 points today buys some time, a 0-0 with the team probably gives him a few % points favour.. What I'm expecting is another performance of been outclassed but also tactically inept performance.... which is the real reason he's getting pelters.. nothing to do with the quality of the squad, the injuries etc. ITS HIS INABILITY TO SHOW ANY KIND OF STYLE OF GAMEPLAN. INABILITY TO CHANGE IN GAME, INABILITY TO COMMUNICATE AND A DISREGARD OF 3000 DIEHARD FANS THAT WENT TO LEEDS KNOWING WE WOULD LOSE BUT FOLDED LIKE A HOUSE OF CARDS. The pressers are pressers and how someone comes across in them isn’t necessarily how they may come across to the players. Yes iv stopped watching them because they are boring but I’d put little stock in what you see in them having any relevance to how he coaches the squad. Promotion whether it should be attained or not is still an achievement and like someone else has said no playoff games are easy.Altbough I take your point that maybe he should have got them promoted automatically,I don’t know all the ins and outs though so that’s from outside looking in. I think he has a game plan and a style in which he wants to play though I aren’t sure,especially with the current injury woes,that this group can play it effectively.That would be my personal main gripe with him,that and why we all of a sudden can’t defend set pieces ,myself I would have kept it the same until Christmas.That said if you do that and then change it all after that does that give off more of an impression that you aren’t really sure what you want to do,you could argue that both ways. I’m also not saying I think you are/or will be wrong think what I’m mainly getting at is that been so 100% against him and sure that he’s a fraud or useless for me would be impossible based on 7 games.There are worrying aspects yes but they may be ironed out over time,myself I’m willing to wait and see and not be so two footed on the matter. The folding like a house of cards I’m sorry but for me that’s mostly on the players,sticking your leg out to block a shot(first goal against leeds) or putting your head in at set pieces(2 goals vs Cardiff) is down an individual. Like I say I take some of your points and in time you maybe 100% correct just for me it’s way too early for that level of judgement. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Nov 4, 2023 13:31:53 GMT 1
It’s not all doom and gloom.
Moore, Edwards and Cartwright will be in charge of who we bring in, in January.
FFS.
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Post by portugalterrier on Nov 4, 2023 13:38:21 GMT 1
It’s not all doom and gloom. Moore, Edwards and Cartwright will be in charge of who we bring in, in January. FFS. Who do you expect to be in charge, Brooky the kit man ? |
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Post by morleyterrier on Nov 4, 2023 13:41:30 GMT 1
It’s not all doom and gloom. Moore, Edwards and Cartwright will be in charge of who we bring in, in January. FFS. Who do you expect to be in charge, Brooky the kit man ? I have no idea who that is but yes please. Yes please can he be in charge of any decisions at our Club over and above these three. |
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Post by rockwall on Nov 4, 2023 13:43:39 GMT 1
Is it uncalled for though? Moore took over a squad that had just got its confidence back. The last 2 performances, and Birmingham were worse than any under MF. Fotheringham took over a squad that was rock bottom with confidence. He was the 3rd manager in around 12 weeks. Yet if Moore fails to win today, he has a worse record. Why can't that be compared? You’re right actually. I mean, just look at all the clubs who’ve identified that point and are throwing jobs at Fotheringham Tell me what you have seen from Moore that is better than Fotheringham? |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Nov 4, 2023 13:43:54 GMT 1
Ruffels I think will be available.Been training I think and he was 21st man last Saturday so must have been able to play or at least go on the bench should anything have come up on the day Hope so. Imagine a few months ago viewing the return of Josh Ruffels from injury as a major boost. Similar to Turton who has turned into Kyle walker |
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Post by Tinpot on Nov 4, 2023 13:48:23 GMT 1
Hope so. Imagine a few months ago viewing the return of Josh Ruffels from injury as a major boost. Similar to Turton who has turned into Kyle walker He used to be Cafu. |
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